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@Cashews I mean. DK became friendlier after Mario saved him from getting drowned.

Also, they didn't know it was Mario's fault that Bowser got to Brooklyn.

He gets to Mushroom Kingdom because he wanted to make something BIG that his parents would notice in good light, like fixing the city sewers issue they watched in TV, you know. That was the motivation for getting out the very same night.

Of course, if that las part is still weird for you, you wanted a plumber Movie, not a videogame character Movie. It was not hard for the movie to make sense if you paid attention.

@pennylessz Alright then.

They should have changed Zelda's VA. Her voice still sounds wrong when comparing to the Japanese version.

@pennylessz """Exaggerating (sometimes grossly) an opponent's argument, then attacking this exaggerated version."""

Well, yeah, it seems I wrote a fallacy.

Anyway, that's the exaggerated way it should really be, according to your comment. Companies wouldn't end giving out credits to everyone before the current project.

The original concept of Samus, her weapons, and the Metroid creatures were created by some creative/s. Having them not credited in any future project based on their work is wrong, as everyone is saying in these comments.

"""If someone say, took a story that myself and multiple other writers of fiction collaborated on, then changed it and did not give credit, I would not be too happy."""

You can't expect "original project someone worked on 20 years ago" to be credited even if they didn't work in the new project, and exclude older than 20 years projects, which were actually the ones who created Samus, their weapons, the Metroid and the games look-and-feel. You said so. As a writer or designer, it feels bad, and you would not be too happy, to not get credit to something you CREATED.

So yeah, I wrote something that looks like a fallacy, but it isn't since this is just the exaggerated crediting everyone is asking Retro Studios to do. So I didn't exaggerate myself, just wrote what everyone else is really asking, which is untenable on long-running companies with multiple projects about the same IP.

@pennylessz So... They should credit original release devs, and also Super Metroid and Metroid and Metroid II developers, because the story of Prime, and gameplay even if 2D, is based upon the work made on those games.

Then they should also credit NES hardware engineers for making the console where the first Metroid was released on. Then they should credit Atari and other older gaming companies for creating a market for Home consoles or the NES wouldn't have existed.

Is this the right way?

@burgerkingsauce We don't even know if it was a Retro Studios or Nintendo decision.

@SonOfDracula Everyone can express their opinions, no matter if they are wrong from your own point of view, to the extend of calling them trolls only for not sharing your own opinion.

If you don't want to interact with trolls, you can simply post your comment, then ignore every reply. It's not hard.

By your logic, they should also credit Metroid for NES and Super Metroid for SNES developers, since they set the characters, weapons and environments for every future Metroid game, including prime.

Also, they should credit the NES hardware engineers or Metroid wouldn't exist at all. While they are there, also credit Atari for creating a Home Console market or the NES wouldn't have been developed.

@SonOfDracula Just emojis or "No." when you don't actually know what to answer, huh?

CVs, Portfolios, should include things you worked on. They didn't work directly in the Remaster, but they still got a collective mention.

Maybe they haven't worked in the industry in 20 years. Adding a Remaster they didn't work directly in to their resume would be wrong.

@ffru As long as they add "Based on the works of those who wrote Bohemian Rhapsody", of course.

@Adol-Bannings If Remaster was bad received by people, I doubt they would do such an outrage.

@YoshiF2 I was answering your question. You wouldn't call the Mona Lisa as only yours, but say it's based on something pre-existing.

The credits in the Remaster acknowledges the game is based on an older project, and says so. If people want to know the original full credits, there's internet, you know.

"From John Doe" is not even what was put in the credits. It would be "Based on the work of those who composed Another One Bites the Dust". That's more alike to what credits actually were in this Remaster.

@YoshiF2 If you also credit like this "based on the work of those who worked on the original Mona Lisa from 1519", well, yes, go on.

That's what Nintendo did.

@Browny I didn't even know where that song was from. (The spoiler tagged one).

But yeah, sounds great.

I hate that I can't find it in my language.

I mean, the song song was translated for the movie, but can't find anything in Youtube or anywhere else about the translated Spanish version.

México doesn't hate on Illumination, it seems.

@marck13 not everything needs to look realistic and grim to be a good Game.

@Eagly With all those games it was already a commercial first.

@SonOfDracula They are asking for the readers' rating in this post, to be fair.

@Crono1973 If you already watched it, I'm sorry you wasted money. If you haven't, please save you a headache and don't go watch it.

I'm okay with your opinion. Have a good day.

@Crono1973 It has way more story than Wii games, and even than Super Mario Odyssey.

What did you expect? The Lord of the Rings?

@Crono1973 Yeah, no. Super Mario Bros. is the title name of the NES games.

Super Mario Bros. The Movie is based the MOST upon those Platforming games and all subsequent Platforming games. DK is also about Platforming games.

@Crono1973 The movie has more narrative than any Super Mario platforming 2D or 3D game, like I said, which the movie is based on.

@Crono1973 Of course not. But this is a Super Mario Bros. movie, not a Mario RPG or Paper Mario movie.

@Shepdawg1 Sing 2 is great story-wise. Your opinion may differ and that's okay, but its plot really resonated with me.

I feel people should give them another chance on post-Despicable Me movies, they are not as bad as everyone says. But alright, if you still think they are trash, okay. Nintendo gave them a chance and I'm happy with the result.

@Crono1973 That's Mr. Miyamoto for you.

Yeah, games give gameplay instead of story. The movie gives actual VOICES to the characters instead of story. That's a good tradeoff in my book, since characters are fleshed out thanks to that and not feel just like empty game characters anymore.

Story here is even more fleshed out than any Mario PLATFORMING game.

@Shepdawg1 As a not so fan of Mario, I loved it. I prefer Metroid and Bayonetta alike titles. Also, not a kid anymore.

Only game I played the most without leaving after World 1 is Super Mario Galaxy 2. And I didn't even finish that one.

@Vivianeat Miyamoto set the plot basically. Remember he doesn't like story/plot in his Mario games.

If anything, Illumination added the Mario family. Miyamoto has been always reluctant to show anything from them, other than feet.

@NintonicGamer They think that a coin and a mushroom alone are already "Too Many References and Cameos".

@Shepdawg1 Given how closely they worked with Nintendo, and Miyamoto himself, it's a fair to say that Illumination had nearly zero input on plot and narrative.

This is no-story, no-plot, no-lore Mr. Shigeru Miyamoto we are talking about.

@HammerGalladeBro They had to cater to Seth Rogen character, it seems, given he didn't want to make a different voice than himself in English voice acting.

So, they adapted Donkey Kong to Seth Rogen, and not the other way around.

10/10. Never before felt that happy about to cry in a cinema.

Everyone, remember, this is an opinion, and yours may be completely different, and that's okay. That's the point of opinions, you know.

@Bass_X0 This is what I don't get.

People said in yesterday posts that cameos were excessive. After watching it, I'm sure they were drunk and fell asleep while in the cinema.

@johnedwin I just linked Sonic movies ranked at 47/100 there. Did you see that?

Are they worse than this Mario's that has 49/100? Alright, I'll enjoy it then.

@Bratwurst35 Lego went Meta. Otherwise story would have been very meh.

I don't think a Mario movie would be great with Meta involved and 4th wall breaks.

@Ara The voice acting thing doesn't affect me since I'll watch it in another language, where voice actors are actually good in most media.

Lego Movies were/are VERY BIG ADVERTISEMENTS. I thought that was bad, even if the movie themselves are great.

@johnedwin What are you talking about?

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/sonic-the-hedgehog

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/sonic-the-hedgehog-2

47. Metacritic is nonsense.

@Crono1973 Goombas here look like Goombas.

@Ara Save the princess. Save the brother. Save the Mushroom Kingdom. Mario is THAT simple.

What did everyone want? Mushrooms from the kingdom infecting everyone like zombies and having to win a Kart race for saving the princess from the infection?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UiIRlg4Xr5w

@liljmoore This is what everyone in the comments wanted, it seems:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UiIRlg4Xr5w

@Gamergirl94 If story is not good, it also falls on Shigeru Miyamoto shoulders, given he worked closely with the animation studio for +5 years.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/11/illumination_founder_says_mario_animated_movie_is_embracing_miyamotos_creative_voice

@Ara It would still be a big ad even with good story.

You can't separate Mario from Nintendo, even if they prevented any not needed cameo, and had a deeper plot.

@YoshiFlutterJump You're right.

https://www.writing-skills.com/60-second-fix-substitute-for-or-with

I thought from the title that Story was great and was wondering why a lot of people were whining about it in the comments.

@Crockin The Last of Us and Metal Gear Solid should take notes.

Videogames are ALREADY another medium for telling stories. It's fair to compare their plots with movies'.

Mario has never been complex in gaming. No reason for it to be complex in a movie.

Also, Shigeru Miyamoto worked closely with Ilumination. Is it wrong if the actual, actual, creator of Mario and Donkey Kong gave the green light to this? So, the Mario father doesn't know his characters enough. Shame on him.

@Pickettfury Shigeru Miyamoto has been working closely with Ilumination for years.

I don't think that'll happen.

@Kirby_Girl Don't watch any movie at all.

You'll find references even in old movies. Cord phones all over the place, ringing Alexander Graham Bell every painful second. Guns referencing the US 2nd ammendment. And pianos referencing Beethoven!

Movies have been a joke since forever.

@RubyCarbuncle Yeah. I'd prefer a Mario movie that had nothing to do with any Mario characters and was actually about a dog named Mario that ate squirrels.

Don't let me get started on how The Last of Us HBO series is full of references to The Last of Us game. Shameful!

@reporterdavid I like the Spanish voices.

English sound always weird.

@Crockin Any existing Mario game got a good enough story for you?

@CharlieGirl Mario, the game character, by itself would be a big commercial skit, even WITHOUT cameos. The movie by itself is and would be a big commercial no matter how many cameos or references to games were in there.

Unless it wasn't about Mario, the game character, but about Mario, the artistic performer in the streets of God knows where.

I had a 3DS XL. It was my first 3DS console.

And a 2DS XL I got after that 3DS XL broke.

It costed the equivalent of USD$350 where I live. I can't get 5 of them at once like most people here, it seems.