@KingMike Not if their worth was based on how well they could fight and I could just immediately pop another child into existence instantly that looks exactly like them while being better.
On one hand, Nintendo wants your Pokémon to feel personal. On the other hand, they ruin that by making them randomly inferior and expecting you to have the best when pitting them against other people.
@Anti-Matter Thing about that is, a modded Pokémon and a legit one, if done right, are basically identical. So it's really about them trying to save a ton of time.
People DO Mod Pokémon to cheat outrageously, naturally, but I think most hack to speed up the time you'd normally spend breeding for perfect stats and whatnot.
Personally, I also hold Gamefreak responsible for making things like IVs and junk since it's just adding extra steps for no real reason. It's very rare that you want a Pokémon that doesn't have max IVs and if everyone is doing it, may as well make it the standard.
I said that, if they made the claim that players could meet up and they couldn't, that would make them liars. I never said they made that claim and even asked if they did in my first post.
I then edited another post pointing out that they were very misleading in trekking prone they would not meet each other due to just how big the game was. It turns out, you couldn't meet each other because that wasn't allowed in game yet, not because of the he's size. That's very misleading and looks intentional to me, thus, I called them liars.
@Ghostchip If they said that two people could meet up, and players found out that was not true, then they lied. I don't see a way to get around that.
I'm not saying they are evil or anything, just liars.
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I did more digging and I did find them saying how this game would be so big that you wouldn't bump into another person. Then players found out that the reason they couldn't see another person is because they literally would not let them see anyone else.
Hence, the videos showing people standing in the same location on their screens but it only showing one person.
That sounds like them embellishing with the intent to mislead gamers. Sounds like lying to me.
I wonder how he feels about Pokémon sowrd/shield...
@Strictlystyles No man's sky straight up lied about being able to meet another player at launch didn't it? I thought two people went to the same spot and didn't see each other.
@HeadPirate We we want is for them to stop taking out features every game and lying to us about why the removed stuff.
A lot of the frustration and anger comes from the game being rushed out to meet a deadline to launch with the anime. This meant stuff got cut. Then they lied and said things were removed to give us better animations and models... Both which were proven false before the game even launched.
Then we were told they couldn't fit all the Pokémon in but we found data for the Pokémon already in the game.
Then they said that we would have to pay for Pokémon home to transfer Pokémon... But with no way of telling when we might even be able to use them since they won't tell us ahead of time which gme gets what.
Then they added Pokémon that they told us they couldn't do through DLC.
Why do we even have to pay the price of two games to get both versions of both games? It should just be one game with the DLC of the second game, so you're just paying a little more.
So no, it's not just that westerners are whining or whatever you were saying, people from all over were calling out Nintendo and game freak over being lazy. The fact that the game sold well doesn't mean anything about its quality. It could also just mean people overall just like the brand.
@Snatcher People who wanted to play Cyberpunk 2077 on a console cared.
@John_Koshiro How expeiare you with cloud ging personally? I ask because most people I talk to who use it say they like it with only a few saying they were in areas that weren't well supported so they lagged.
Everyone else just dunks on cloud gaming on principle.
@KateGray Yeah part of me wished I got in on it, but I try not to gamble and this is a big gamble. They just got lucky since the companies they are betting against are too greedy to stop.
@KateGray you got the gist. This is just them driving up shares and taking a massive bet that the other investors they are betting against will keep buying shares and such.
In other words, both sides are playing chicken, with the companies betting reddit will stop first but reddit won't stop and the companies won't back down either.
@WallyWest Again, I said just about any game, not all games. I already know some games are just optimosed so poorly that they would never work unless built from the ground up... Which could happen though I wouldn't hold my breath.
Still, I would say that most games people say the Switch couldn't handle actually are possible, it's just aatter of cutting the right things and scaling enough down so that the game still runs while still being enjoyable. It's definitely an art that not everyone is good at. Panic Button is exceptional when it comes to ports.
@TheFrenchiestFry a that may very well be the case, that's all I have to go on for now though so I'm taking it.
It could very well be that it never comes over, though that seems less because the Switch can't handle it or lack of demand and more because of some deals Sony has with Microsoft.
It's not the first time their game would to PC. I'm still surprised we got Horizon Zero Dawn.
@TheFrenchiestFry Of course it's up to the gamers. If the developers don't sense interest from the gamers, they aren't going to bother trying. That's why panic button is so important since they are helping to show that, yes, the Switch gamers have an interest in these games.
Obviously, the devs could just say they don't care. That just shows they aren't interested in making money though.
The question isn't really if something can get ported to Switch, it's more of a matter of can it be optimized in a state where the valuability of it outweighs the sacrifices needed to get on the hardware
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That is up for the gamer to decide. Some, including myself, would argue that the viability of it does out weight the sacrifices made.
That and, I never said all games could come to the Switch. I said "just about".
Streaming is still an option but it still needs to be fine-tuned. Not all streaming services are equal.
@nessisonett @TheFrenchiestFry z might just be your streaming service then. I played it streamed over shadow pc and didn't feel the lag at all. I don't have Playstation Now so I can't judge the difference.
Everyone says a game can't be ported to the Switch, until it is somehow. It's all about making the right sacrifices and knowing how to tone things down.
Will it be the best experience? Absolutely not, and no one exists it to be. The fact that it can be done and still look good is what's so impressive.
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How mapable are we talking about?
Re: Nintendo's Paper Mario Series Is Now 20 Years Old
I don't think we've have a good paper Mario game and years.
We've had some decent games and origami King is okay, but it's not a good paper mario game.
Re: Japanese Man Arrested For Selling Hacked Pokémon Sword And Shield Monsters
@KingMike Not if their worth was based on how well they could fight and I could just immediately pop another child into existence instantly that looks exactly like them while being better.
On one hand, Nintendo wants your Pokémon to feel personal. On the other hand, they ruin that by making them randomly inferior and expecting you to have the best when pitting them against other people.
Re: The Creator Of Magic: The Gathering Is Working On Roguebook, A Deckbuilder Coming To Switch This Year
@Ephralance Wait, the Steamworld people made ANOTHER game?!
Re: The Creator Of Magic: The Gathering Is Working On Roguebook, A Deckbuilder Coming To Switch This Year
Taking note, I love these types of games.
Re: Review: Sword Of The Necromancer - A Dismal Dungeon-Crawler That's Best Left For Dead
Oof, I was looking forward to this. Maybe on a sale or something.
Re: Japanese Man Arrested For Selling Hacked Pokémon Sword And Shield Monsters
@Anti-Matter Thing about that is, a modded Pokémon and a legit one, if done right, are basically identical. So it's really about them trying to save a ton of time.
People DO Mod Pokémon to cheat outrageously, naturally, but I think most hack to speed up the time you'd normally spend breeding for perfect stats and whatnot.
Personally, I also hold Gamefreak responsible for making things like IVs and junk since it's just adding extra steps for no real reason. It's very rare that you want a Pokémon that doesn't have max IVs and if everyone is doing it, may as well make it the standard.
Re: Japanese Man Arrested For Selling Hacked Pokémon Sword And Shield Monsters
@Anti-Matter... Money, money was the motivation. I thought that was pretty clear.
Re: Random: Breath Of The Wild Speedrunner Completes 100% Run Without Taking Any Damage
Sheesh, I don't think I have enough endurance for that.
Re: Ori Director Criticises "Snake Oil Salesmen" Behind No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, And Fable
@skullivan False.
I said that, if they made the claim that players could meet up and they couldn't, that would make them liars. I never said they made that claim and even asked if they did in my first post.
I then edited another post pointing out that they were very misleading in trekking prone they would not meet each other due to just how big the game was. It turns out, you couldn't meet each other because that wasn't allowed in game yet, not because of the he's size. That's very misleading and looks intentional to me, thus, I called them liars.
Re: Levi's Just Announced A New Line Of Pokémon Clothing, And It Includes Misty's Outfit
@DrDaisy Don't be silly, Snivy don't wear pants!
Re: Levi's Just Announced A New Line Of Pokémon Clothing, And It Includes Misty's Outfit
@RupeeClock I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.
Plus... It really doesn't look good, imo.
Re: Ori Director Criticises "Snake Oil Salesmen" Behind No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, And Fable
@Ghostchip If they said that two people could meet up, and players found out that was not true, then they lied. I don't see a way to get around that.
I'm not saying they are evil or anything, just liars.
Edit
I did more digging and I did find them saying how this game would be so big that you wouldn't bump into another person. Then players found out that the reason they couldn't see another person is because they literally would not let them see anyone else.
Hence, the videos showing people standing in the same location on their screens but it only showing one person.
That sounds like them embellishing with the intent to mislead gamers. Sounds like lying to me.
Re: Talking Point: So, What Are The Chances We'll See A 'New' Switch In 2021?
Thought Nintendo said they weren't focusing on one right now. If anything, it's best to wait since the Switch is still massively popular.
Re: Ori Director Criticises "Snake Oil Salesmen" Behind No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, And Fable
I wonder how he feels about Pokémon sowrd/shield...
@Strictlystyles No man's sky straight up lied about being able to meet another player at launch didn't it? I thought two people went to the same spot and didn't see each other.
Re: The Switch Has Now Sold More Units Than The 3DS
@serouj2000 Why do you ask? I never said it was.
Re: Swedish Company Embracer Buys Borderlands Dev Gearbox For $1.35 Billion
I think I heard this earlier but not from here. Still surprising.
I can't say I'm worried, I don't play many of their games anyway.
Re: Pokémon Sword And Shield Become First Entries Since Gold And Silver To Surpass 20 Million Sales
@HeadPirate We we want is for them to stop taking out features every game and lying to us about why the removed stuff.
A lot of the frustration and anger comes from the game being rushed out to meet a deadline to launch with the anime. This meant stuff got cut. Then they lied and said things were removed to give us better animations and models... Both which were proven false before the game even launched.
Then we were told they couldn't fit all the Pokémon in but we found data for the Pokémon already in the game.
Then they said that we would have to pay for Pokémon home to transfer Pokémon... But with no way of telling when we might even be able to use them since they won't tell us ahead of time which gme gets what.
Then they added Pokémon that they told us they couldn't do through DLC.
Why do we even have to pay the price of two games to get both versions of both games? It should just be one game with the DLC of the second game, so you're just paying a little more.
So no, it's not just that westerners are whining or whatever you were saying, people from all over were calling out Nintendo and game freak over being lazy. The fact that the game sold well doesn't mean anything about its quality. It could also just mean people overall just like the brand.
Re: Cloud Gaming Service Google Stadia Shuts Down Internal Development Studios
@Snatcher People who wanted to play Cyberpunk 2077 on a console cared.
@John_Koshiro How expeiare you with cloud ging personally? I ask because most people I talk to who use it say they like it with only a few saying they were in areas that weren't well supported so they lagged.
Everyone else just dunks on cloud gaming on principle.
Re: Video: A Full Playthrough Of GoldenEye 007's Cancelled Remake Has Leaked Online
Yeah I heard about this, interesting...
Re: Review: Shadow Gangs - A Tough-As-Nails Shinobi Tribute That's Worth Your Time
Never liked the original Shinobu so this probably isn't for me.
Re: What Exactly Is Going On With GameStop's Stock Prices?
@KateGray Yeah part of me wished I got in on it, but I try not to gamble and this is a big gamble. They just got lucky since the companies they are betting against are too greedy to stop.
Re: What Exactly Is Going On With GameStop's Stock Prices?
@KateGray you got the gist. This is just them driving up shares and taking a massive bet that the other investors they are betting against will keep buying shares and such.
In other words, both sides are playing chicken, with the companies betting reddit will stop first but reddit won't stop and the companies won't back down either.
Re: What Exactly Is Going On With GameStop's Stock Prices?
So basically: Reddit
Re: Root Film Is A Murder-Mystery Visual Novel That's Like Ace Attorney, But You Get To Fight People
Well, you have my interest now...
Re: Soapbox: Grinding Is Poor Gameplay Design That Doesn’t Respect Your Time
@jump This. It's why I burnt out on Octopath traveler. The music, story and everything else was good, but the grind just wasn't fun at all.
Re: Random: Twitter Has Now Defeated The Grass-Type Gym Leader Erika In Pokémon Red
@Goat_FromBOTW Knowing them, they'd probably say the Twitter person is using a rim and emulator of some kind and make a cease and desist.
Re: Random: Twitter Has Now Defeated The Grass-Type Gym Leader Erika In Pokémon Red
@Goat_FromBOTW Nintendo hates stuff like this, that's really all the reason they need
Re: Pokkén Tournament Producer Katsuhiro Harada Up For A Sequel, But Says It's Not Bandai Namco's Decision To Make
Do it
Doooo itttttt
Re: Random: Twitter Has Now Defeated The Electric-Type Gym Leader Lt. Surge In Pokémon Red
I'm shocked Nintendo is letting this happen.
Re: Gallery: Nintendo Shares Even More Stunning Screenshots Of Bowser's Fury
I can't wait... To get it on a sale or something. Played the original and I just can't justify buying it again at full-price yet.
Re: Soapbox: It’s Time For A Pokémon Trading Card Game Reboot On Switch
We've needed a reboot for years! I loved the original.
Re: Immortals Fenyx Rising Meets Blood Of Zeus In New Limited-Time DLC
@JuanGartner There's still additional content you can get and it's still pricey to get everything.
Re: Story of Seasons DLC Will Let You Marry People From Old Story Of Seasons Games
When you say to discuss your preferences...
Re: Immortals Fenyx Rising Meets Blood Of Zeus In New Limited-Time DLC
Just waiting on the full game of the year or whatever they will call it to go on sale. The game looks good but way too pricey for everything included.
Re: Poll: Will You Be Buying The Cloud Version Of Hitman 3 On Nintendo Switch?
@PhhhCough Your passion h for the experience, the only difference is that you don't have anything physical to experience again years from now.
It's not for everyone, I actually don't want us to go full cloud gaming m at the same time, I still enjoy cloud gaming.
Re: Poll: Will You Be Buying The Cloud Version Of Hitman 3 On Nintendo Switch?
So much hate for cloud gaming, sheesh. Cloud gaming can and does work just fine if they have servers relatively close to you.
I think most people who do t like cloud gaming haven't really given it a chance. It's good stuff, though I haven't tried it on Switch yet, just on PC.
Depending on the cloud service, you can get inputs that are so responsive that you don't feel or notice any lag.
Re: Nintendo To Face Another Class Action Lawsuit For Switch "Joy-Con Drift"
Had to by 3rd party joycon after fighting with the Switch ones since launch
And you know what m they feel AMAZING
I forgot what it was like to have controllers that don't drift.
Re: Casio Unveils New BABY-G Pokémon Pikachu Watch
That is not worth the money spent for it imo
Re: Capcom Says Monster Hunter Rise's 'Friend List' Slowdown Will Be Fixed In Time For Launch
That's an unforseen issue but at least they caught it early.
Re: NIS America's January Sale Goes Live On The Switch eShop, Get Up To 50% Off
Got everything I want already though I've been interested in the prinny hero game.
Re: Soapbox: I Wasn't Going To Play Monster Hunter Rise, But The Game Art Is Too Cute
Why are people saying they'll have to pick between the cat or dog when you can have both...
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Technical Analysis Of DOOM Eternal On Switch
@WallyWest Again, I said just about any game, not all games. I already know some games are just optimosed so poorly that they would never work unless built from the ground up... Which could happen though I wouldn't hold my breath.
Still, I would say that most games people say the Switch couldn't handle actually are possible, it's just aatter of cutting the right things and scaling enough down so that the game still runs while still being enjoyable. It's definitely an art that not everyone is good at. Panic Button is exceptional when it comes to ports.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Technical Analysis Of DOOM Eternal On Switch
@TheFrenchiestFry a that may very well be the case, that's all I have to go on for now though so I'm taking it.
It could very well be that it never comes over, though that seems less because the Switch can't handle it or lack of demand and more because of some deals Sony has with Microsoft.
It's not the first time their game would to PC. I'm still surprised we got Horizon Zero Dawn.
Re: Soapbox: I Wasn't Going To Play Monster Hunter Rise, But The Game Art Is Too Cute
That owl is pretty dang adorable.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Technical Analysis Of DOOM Eternal On Switch
@TheFrenchiestFry Apparently they hinted about persona 5 coming if they got enough feed back.
I don't remember hearing them say anything about KH3.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Technical Analysis Of DOOM Eternal On Switch
@TheFrenchiestFry Of course it's up to the gamers. If the developers don't sense interest from the gamers, they aren't going to bother trying. That's why panic button is so important since they are helping to show that, yes, the Switch gamers have an interest in these games.
Obviously, the devs could just say they don't care. That just shows they aren't interested in making money though.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Technical Analysis Of DOOM Eternal On Switch
@TheFrenchiestFry
TheFrenchiestFry wrote:
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That is up for the gamer to decide. Some, including myself, would argue that the viability of it does out weight the sacrifices made.
That and, I never said all games could come to the Switch. I said "just about".
Streaming is still an option but it still needs to be fine-tuned. Not all streaming services are equal.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Technical Analysis Of DOOM Eternal On Switch
@electrolite77 I know, that's why I said " just about".
I know there's limits, just not as much as people like to make it out to be.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Technical Analysis Of DOOM Eternal On Switch
@nessisonett @TheFrenchiestFry z might just be your streaming service then. I played it streamed over shadow pc and didn't feel the lag at all. I don't have Playstation Now so I can't judge the difference.
Everyone says a game can't be ported to the Switch, until it is somehow. It's all about making the right sacrifices and knowing how to tone things down.
Will it be the best experience? Absolutely not, and no one exists it to be. The fact that it can be done and still look good is what's so impressive.