JimLad

Bleugh!

@yuwarite Utter Garbage: 1 Nintendo: 0

Well each month it's embarrassing the Wii U in sales so of course they're gonna kill it.

Oh my god, this game MUST BE MADE.
I don't care what platform it's on, I WILL BUY THAT SYSTEM TO PLAY IT.

Hahah you guys have gone way off topic ^

One thing Steam Machines will definitely have going in their favour is value for money (in software at least). I would love to see them put pressure on the established console business model. Making things like digital distribution, competitive pricing, and real indie support standard across the whole industry.
Not sure how they're gonna sell it to non-PC gamers though. :/
They need to make at least one of them affordable, and then back it up with some serious exclusives.

I'd like to see new characters too but let's be honest, Nintendo hasn't exactly created any memorable characters since Captain Olimar (if you consider him memorable) The inclusion of 'Villager' and Wii Fit Trainer to me is a sad reflection on Nintendo's software as of late.

That said this Toon Link does look awesome in HD.
I think Archgamer is right, Dixie Kong would be a logical addition.

I do wonder if it's not too late for them to jump back on the Wii bandwagon.
It cleary has more appeal than the WiiU does, twice as much in fact going by those numbers.

Actually I own all of those, minus Tetris. They are fantastic multiplayers.
Other great 4 players on the system include: Extreme G, Road Rash 64, Bomberman 64, Micro Machines 64, Cruis'n World, Rush 2049, Forsaken, Destruction Derby 64, Vigilante 8 2nd Offense.

Talk about a misleading title, you totally misquoted what he said!

It wasn't a very good soapbox, I think that's why you got such a strong reaction.
There wasn't much to debate about, it just seemed to be one man saying "I don't like this game" You should keep opinions like that to a blog, not a major news wesbite.

I lost interest in GTA after Vice City. Not because it's a bad game but I had just had my fill by then (I played the first five games to death) There probably is a potential market on WiiU, and I have no doubt it would sell better than the majority of the system's current releases. That was never the main problem though. Nintendo has turned GTA away so much in the past because of it's violence I think Rockstar just gave up trying.

Such a great man and president, who has influenced more lives than most people could ever claim. They should think about creating a statue and putting it outside Kyoto HQ.

"Aside from freeing up the TV for others, we're not quite convinced this is worth the price tag that's being demanded."
Precisely what most people say about the WiiU.

Dedicated gaming machines won't die completely, but I don't think the world is big enough for 3 consoles and 2 handhelds anymore, something has gotta give.
Also the prices of hardware are gonna have to come down if they want to keep doing business, that goes for all three companies. Joe public is not going to spend £300+ just to play video games anymore.
I'd say the 3DS is in the safest position right now. It's affordable and it has loads of great games you can't get anywhere else. The WiiU could be the same if it were much cheaper like the Wii was. The PS4/XB1... I dunno what's going to happen there. Two nearly identical systems releasing side by side. The PS4's lower price will put it at a massive advantage, but it's going to be a slow climb whoever comes out on top.
It all comes down to one thing: value for money.

Ah Super Mario Galaxy 2, the last truely great game Nintendo ever made...

They could do an unregulated version of the e-shop sort of like Xbox's Indie Store.
Sure there's a lot of crap on there but you do find some absolute gems from time to time. 3000+ games and counting, all demoable. You could make a great $1 game based on any one of the WiiU's added features.

134 comments in 4 hours lol, this one really struck a nerve.
I'm personally long past caring about third parties on Nintendo consoles, because I have a 360 for that.
I do however feel sorry for those who don't have the money for two machines. Nintendo has screwed them over with it's promises of better third party support, not to mention a lack of their own first party games.

Ocarina will always be my favourite because the story and time travel elements were so gripping. Also Link to the Past was pretty much perfect. But TP is still the most epic Zelda in terms of scale. Skyward Sword isn't even in the same league.

They shouldn't have called it the Wii U, it's nothing like the Wii.
With the Wii they aggressively marketed towards casual gamers, mum, dad and grandma with a simple to use controller and even simpler software. That coupled to the low price made it a massive hit.
The Wii U is all over the place in terms of it's target audience. You've got three different control methods, a much higher price point, and no equivalent to WiiSports as of yet. It's appeal right now is mostly to seasoned gamers, only most of them aren't interested because it has the same graphics as a PS3/360 and basically no third party support.
THAT is why it's not selling.

I agree that ideally, Nintendo should make the next Star Fox themselves. But since that looks like it's never going to happen I say give them a shot.
...or Retro
...or Sega
...I'd even accept Atlus at this point

It doesn't necessarily have to be the same IP, but I would love to see another game like Okami.
It pains me that there aren't more big 3D adventure games out there in the vein of Zelda and the like.

Seriously? This is could have been the best idea Sega had in the last 10 years! These games would have made a killing in downloadable sales.
Sega is pretty much just a husk of what it used to be at this point.

I want to say this was a waste of resources, but everything with DS in the name seems to sell so...
How about a Wii U revision while you're at it? For those who want a regular controller and a lower price?

This is a pretty good deal, but I really think they should have made a Mario 3D World bundle. Wind Waker's a great game, but people still remember it vividly. It really didn't need a re-make imo.

It's definitely a step in the right direction.

Good selection indeed, but the one thing really missing from this trailer is a big Zelda/Mario game. I'm talking about a game with visuals to put the likes of Galaxy and Twilight Princess in the dust. It's what they call a killer app...

@JaxonH There's a lot of truth in that long post of yours. I loved the Wii, but felt like it never really reached it's full potential. I personally think Nintendo should have kept persuing motion controls with motion plus. But instead they all but abandoned the system and left it to rot in it's final years. That's when I bought a 360.
Those dual screen games you mentioned are a great example. They're also a great example of the kind of software there should already be on the WiiU.

What rjejr said. Nintendo seems better suited as the underdog with lower specs and an affordable price. Sadly the Wii U is missing half of that equation.

This is weird, I remember getting the 100th issue of this magazine in it's old format. I stopped reading when half the pages were about Pokémon and the editors became incredibly biased.
How is it now?

I totally agree with brucelebnd and nisshoku. WiiU needs a price drop to make any real impact at this point, I still believe they're waiting until just before christmas to do it.
Sure they've got great games coming and possibly bundles, but it won't be enough on it's own. Xbox1 and PS4 are not the threat, Xbox360 and PS3 are the threat, they always have been because they are simply better value HD systems.
I have no doubt XB1/PS4 will struggle for the first few years, but their predecessors will still be there to pick up the slack for years to come, getting all the third party support that Nintendo should be getting right now.

On the one hand you want them to start making AAA games to compete with the big boys, but then they wouldn't be Shin'en.
They're definitely going about this the right way, building a reputation based on quality games made with care.

The first game was good but clearly held back by the 40mb limit. (how they even managed to fit it into that space is amazing to me) 3DS owners are really in for a treat with this one.

I agree with Mahe. Just sayin.
So do a lot of people I know who used to be Nintendo fans.

@NeoZuko #123
Thank you, you pretty much summed up my thoughts.

element187@ I agree with everything you said, but I don't see the appeal in the screen really. Maybe if there were more games like Nintendoland...

I'm waiting for a price drop for two reasons:
1. It'll save me money obviously
2. If they don't have one I'm convinced they will run this system into the ground, and we'll have another Dreamcast on our hands. I aint buying a console with no future.
I'm not saying do it now, but once the big games arrive then do it and bundle it with Mario 3D World.

They need to localize all the Kunio games, there's something like 15 in total.

I'd say do hold your breath. Either there'll be a price drop or this thing will tank fast.

They don't need third party support in the same way the NES didn't need it when it first launched. The difference there is the NES had a plethora of Nintendo games ready to go.
The WiiU will eventually get it's games but they still need a price drop to increase the install base.
The problem is that controller is going to lose them a lot of money, and they're not even making the most of it. They led us to believe it would be this great innovation in gaming like the Wii Remote was, but it just isn't. Some neat features yes, but not revolutionary. Also it confuses the uninformed about how you actually play the system. "Is it a console? is it a handheld? What if I want extra controllers?" Not really big hurdles for experienced gamers, but if they want to expand their audience, over complicating things is not the way.

I think they should have stuck to basics, made a budget HD system with a normal controller designed for playing Nintendo games, then released it when the games were ready. That's what most people buy Nintendo systems for afterall.

I think they've peaked in terms of profits. We'll never see the same kind of numbers as the Wii and DS years again, from any console. Those sales figures were insane from 2007-2009.

This is how I imagined Animal Crossing would look if they'd actually expanded it and not made the same game 3 times over.

Oh god that hair...
That is not the hair of someone that rescues you, that's the hair of someone that works in Hot Topic.

@Yorumi Nintendo consoles in the past have launched with such games as Mario 64, Luigis Mansion/Rogue Squadron 2 and Twilight Princess.
Those games are at least 3x better than anything you can get on the WiiU right now.

Actually I agree with Monkeyofthefunk's idea. Make the pad an optional extra, then they can shave £100 off the price at least.

@OptimusG pretty much covered my thoughts.
Sad because at one time, we would have defended everything Nintendo did.

This industry is all about momentum, and the WiiU has lost way too much of it.
You only get to launch a system once, and they launched too early. That's why we have this huge game drought while they figure out how to program in HD.
Meanwhile the market is about to be flooded with more choice as the new systems come out, and the old systems will likely still be supported (more than WiiU) for another year at least.

You have to try and think about this from an outsiders perspective. The big games aren't coming until christmas or next year, and there is virtually no third party support. By the time those games arrive, even less retailers will be stocking the hardware. The shelf space will be given to Microsoft and Sony.
The only thing they can do to get the ball rolling sooner is slash the price, but then they'll be selling at a loss for the rest of the console's life.

They should totally make a new system.
A low cost, HD system designed to play Nintendo games with a ordinary dual stick controller.
It doesn't need to match the PS4/Xbone on power, the games barely look any better than what you can get on current HD consoles. And they wouldn't have to worry about third party support either because it's clear now they can survive without it, and their customers mostly buy first party games anyway.

They have the opportunity to totally undercut the next gen with a system anyone can afford. If it launched next year with those upcoming WiiU games ported to it I guarantee it would sell. People will always buy Nintendo games if they have the system to play them on. It just so happens not many people want this system.

Sigh
Another franchise gets scaled back to save development cost/time.
First it was Zelda (Skyward Sword), then Mario (3D World)... maybe Metroid is next with Other Other M.
I won't miss the cutscenes too much. What I do miss is that warm feeling of knowing the next game will have more stuff than the one I already own.

They won't hire any new blood cause they're too damn tight.
Like a company of mad gnomes, closed off from the outside world carefully guarding their stockpile of gold.

I don't get why he's optimistic, if they don't drop the price by chistmas the PS4 will destroy it. If they do drop the price, they'll almost certainly be selling at a loss thanks to that pointless controller.
And if you aint got the hardware sales, you can forget about making up that loss with software.