@IceClimbers More 3D games from Nintendo. By that I mean 3D platformers/adventure, not 3D effect. I'm getting pretty bored with the same barage of 2D platformers. We know it can play games of N64 quality (and more), so where are they?
What I'd love to see is a handheld you can simply plug into your TV and play.
Think the Wii U controller with no console, that you can take anywhere. They could amalgamate their console and portable divisions into one machine and no longer have to split game development between the two.
Mario Kart might be their chance to turn things around, but a clearer look at the future will come a couple of weeks later at E3. I'm interested to know how (or if) they plan to fight back with enough software to support the console on their own.
If they don't come out all guns blazing in June then it'll be clear they're letting the console fade out, which is understandable.
I think Nintendo are going to have to give up either handhelds or consoles if they are to survive. With little third party support on either they are clearly struggling to support both.
Wow ok... Now I'm even more certain they've given up on this console. Don't get me wrong this decision won't stop me getting the Wii U version, but if you think it will help The Wii U in any way you're a fool. By the time that version releases no retailer will even be stocking the hardware anymore.
So long as Nintendo's game studios keep making games I don't really care what happens. I don't care if they ditch hardware altogether and go third party. Releasing their entire back catalogue on Xbox Live, Playstation Network and Steam, how would that be bad for them?? The only reason they don't share their IPs is that they want to keep milking the same people who have to buy Super Mario Bros four times because there is still no unified account system.
And can you imagine how many copies of Mario 3D World would have sold if it had been multiplatform? Yeah yeah I know, sales aren't everything right? Actually sales are the reason we don't get Star Fox anymore or F-Zero or anything new and big and ambitious. If Wonderful101 had sold better it might have got a sequel, but there's pretty much no chance of that happening now.
And who says if they stop making consoles they have to stop innovating? Look at their main innovations in the last few years: Wii Remotes, Balance Boards, WiiU pad. These peripherals are what make them great, not the consoles themselves. I'm sure they could intergrate their accessories into other hardware easily, and still package them with their own games just like they've been doing since the NES. Don't let brand loyalty blind you, if Nintendo were making games for other systems we'd have games with proper online features, regular DLC and we would never have to worry about download space again. They could sink more funds into software and we'd have Metroids, Wave Races, Pilot Wings and so forth coming out the woodwork.
Sorry that rant went a bit off topic. I think Iwata should go. He lives in a bubble and is completely oblivious to what the fans actually want.
That's not good. More backwards steps when they should be pushing forward. The likelihood of an E3 conference is looking ever smaller considering they're in worse position now than they were last time. :/
Man I gave up on this argument years ago. Nintendo will NEVER do demos properly, not unless maybe there is a change in management.
It's been a pipe dream for me ever since the 90s, when Playstation owners got free demo disks in their magazines. God knows how many great Nintendo games I missed out on because I never tried them.
The Conduit games were such let downs. Ambitious ideas (and great controls) but the game underneath was truely lackluster. And it wasn't limited by the hardware, just compare it to any of the TimeSplitters games.
I still have it on the PS1 and it looks fantastic already. Not sure why it needed this treatment. All the money likely went into cutscenes and background animations anyway.
They've been so keen on console/handheld connectivity for so many years, and now Sony is making a complete mockery of them. Not to mention the Virtual Console is an absolute joke compared to the amount of PS1 classics on offer.
I knew it wasn't good when Criterion got bought out by EA. It was about that time when Free Radical also got absorbed into them, and still no TimeSplitters 4 in sight... Nintendo's lack of marketing and support obviouisly played its part as well. No, they don't have to do it, but if their competitors are rolling out the red carpet for games like this where do you think developers are going to go?
VR will be the next big thing mark my words. I don't know if it will become the standard or phase out after a couple of years coughWiicough but I do know I will want it, no matter who makes it. I've played the same kinds of games for for years now and I'm ready for something new.
This game looks incredible.
If they want to make the most of this chance they NEED a Mario Kart bundle. Maybe leave out the screen pad and drop the price to something parents can't refuse.
An HD Wii with a new Mario Kart for £150: PEOPLE WILL BUY IT.
Definitely don't want anymore of these things cluttering up the house, but at least the option is there for those who might. Love it or hate it, I thnk the original played a big part in making MKW a success. Now if they could just create a new racing IP for those of us that want something more hardcore that would be great. coughf-zerocough
Whenever I read these history articles about Rare it fills me with warmth, which then immediately dissipates when I get to the end and remember where they are now.
I could honestly live with the very slow flow of just first party games if the console was dirt cheap. I'm talking cheaper than the Xbox 360 and PS3 right now, because frankly with the amount of games those consoles have and continue to get, they are better value.
Nothing wrong with being the cheapest. If the price reflected the software library better I could respect and recommend the console.
While there has most definitely been a drop in interest in the Xbone/PS4, this year they're going to get games such as Titanfall, The Order, Destiny, and Elder Scrolls Online. The hype for these games will be massive, and it's hype that sells systems. Before it dies down, there'll undoubtedly be more announcements at E3 ready for the second half of the year. While not forgetting that all this time 360s and PS3s continue to sell as well.
Nintendo don't need any of this to sell their hardware, but they do need to get their software droughts under control pronto.
Are they really going to wait until E3 to show us anything new for the Wii U?
They're either completely ignorant of their current situation or are planning to pull the plug after these games arrive.
electrolite77: "We've known for a while third-party support was going to collapse. Problem is if Nintendo are happy with that they have to prove they can support the machine alone if it's to have a chance of even Gamecube sales and any kind of profit"
I would love for there to be more games that use the touchscreen, or more games planned at least, but there aren't. Hence why I think they should drop it.
It won't make the console a winner, but it will at least help it reach the finish line before it's replacement shows up.
Like Phantom_R said, you can feel buttons under your thumbs/fingers. Touchscreens can't give that physical feedback, hence why real buttons will always be superior to virtual buttons.
Ah... the days when games just started up, and didn't make you watch a minute of production credits telling you the physics engine and the graphics engine and the video codecs...
For all the marketing and design problems the Wii U has, all it really needs is more games. The third party support is pretty much dead. They've gotta realise that and invest WAY more money in second party developers. They should have done this years ago with their ridiculous surplus of cash. Hopefully by E3 they'll have a lot more to show us, otherwise they're screwed.
Well this is obviously crap. I'm hoping the real reason is that they didn't want the game to miss it's christmas release. Otherwise it just means they're still completely incompetent about online gaming. Something even Sega managed to get right 14 years ago with dial-up modems.
I'm also ashamed to say never knew of this man until now. Yet those box arts were a fond part of my childhood. I wish the innocence in gaming hadn't been lost like it has, but maybe it was inevitable. Rest in peace Greg.
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Re: Talking Point: What We Want To See From Nintendo's Next Handheld
@IceClimbers More 3D games from Nintendo. By that I mean 3D platformers/adventure, not 3D effect.
I'm getting pretty bored with the same barage of 2D platformers. We know it can play games of N64 quality (and more), so where are they?
Re: Talking Point: What We Want To See From Nintendo's Next Handheld
What I'd love to see is a handheld you can simply plug into your TV and play.
Think the Wii U controller with no console, that you can take anywhere.
They could amalgamate their console and portable divisions into one machine and no longer have to split game development between the two.
Re: Nintendo To Market Mario Kart 8 Through The End Of The Year
Mario Kart might be their chance to turn things around, but a clearer look at the future will come a couple of weeks later at E3.
I'm interested to know how (or if) they plan to fight back with enough software to support the console on their own.
If they don't come out all guns blazing in June then it'll be clear they're letting the console fade out, which is understandable.
Re: Vita Overtakes 3DS in Tough Week for Japanese Charts
I think Nintendo are going to have to give up either handhelds or consoles if they are to survive. With little third party support on either they are clearly struggling to support both.
Re: Rumour: Mario Kart 8 Wii U Hardware Bundle On The Way
They should at least try a super cheap bundle with no gamepad.
The game doesn't really use it anyway.
Re: Feature: Time For a Super Smash Bros. New Challenger Screenshot Blowout
Oh my...
Re: Super Smash Bros. Hitting 3DS This Summer, Wii U Launch To Take Place In The Winter
Wow ok...
Now I'm even more certain they've given up on this console.
Don't get me wrong this decision won't stop me getting the Wii U version, but if you think it will help The Wii U in any way you're a fool.
By the time that version releases no retailer will even be stocking the hardware anymore.
Re: Video: What Could The Legend Of Zelda: Skyward Sword Look Like In HD?
Still not as pretty as Twilight Princess.
Even with the 'brown' it just had more detail in it's characters and backgrounds.
Re: Report Suggests That June Could Be Crucial For Iwata's Future At The Head Of Nintendo
So long as Nintendo's game studios keep making games I don't really care what happens.
I don't care if they ditch hardware altogether and go third party.
Releasing their entire back catalogue on Xbox Live, Playstation Network and Steam, how would that be bad for them??
The only reason they don't share their IPs is that they want to keep milking the same people who have to buy Super Mario Bros four times because there is still no unified account system.
And can you imagine how many copies of Mario 3D World would have sold if it had been multiplatform? Yeah yeah I know, sales aren't everything right? Actually sales are the reason we don't get Star Fox anymore or F-Zero or anything new and big and ambitious. If Wonderful101 had sold better it might have got a sequel, but there's pretty much no chance of that happening now.
And who says if they stop making consoles they have to stop innovating?
Look at their main innovations in the last few years: Wii Remotes, Balance Boards, WiiU pad. These peripherals are what make them great, not the consoles themselves. I'm sure they could intergrate their accessories into other hardware easily, and still package them with their own games just like they've been doing since the NES.
Don't let brand loyalty blind you, if Nintendo were making games for other systems we'd have games with proper online features, regular DLC and we would never have to worry about download space again. They could sink more funds into software and we'd have Metroids, Wave Races, Pilot Wings and so forth coming out the woodwork.
Sorry that rant went a bit off topic. I think Iwata should go.
He lives in a bubble and is completely oblivious to what the fans actually want.
Re: Feature: The Biggest Wii U Games of 2014 - Spring Edition
Feels like the same games are mentioned over and over.
Re: Nintendo Passing on PAX East 2014
That's not good.
More backwards steps when they should be pushing forward.
The likelihood of an E3 conference is looking ever smaller considering they're in worse position now than they were last time. :/
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Major Wii U Retail Titles Can Benefit From More eShop Trials and Demos
Man I gave up on this argument years ago. Nintendo will NEVER do demos properly, not unless maybe there is a change in management.
It's been a pipe dream for me ever since the 90s, when Playstation owners got free demo disks in their magazines. God knows how many great Nintendo games I missed out on because I never tried them.
Re: "Dark And Edgy" Sonic The Hedgehog Film Reportedly In Development
I say get the series back on track before thinking about movies.
Re: High Voltage Software Developing 3DS Version of Amazing Spider-Man 2
The Conduit games were such let downs. Ambitious ideas (and great controls) but the game underneath was truely lackluster. And it wasn't limited by the hardware, just compare it to any of the TimeSplitters games.
Re: Expect Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty To Cost Around Thirty Bucks
I still have it on the PS1 and it looks fantastic already. Not sure why it needed this treatment. All the money likely went into cutscenes and background animations anyway.
Re: Super Smash Bros. Director Masahiro Sakurai Seems To Quite Like The PS4
As soon as Planetside 2 and Elder Scrolls Online come out, I'll be getting one.
Re: Talking Point: Important Steps to Bring the 3DS and Wii U Closer Together
They've been so keen on console/handheld connectivity for so many years, and now Sony is making a complete mockery of them.
Not to mention the Virtual Console is an absolute joke compared to the amount of PS1 classics on offer.
Re: Former Criterion Boss Alex Ward Laments Issues With Releasing Need For Speed On Wii U
I knew it wasn't good when Criterion got bought out by EA.
It was about that time when Free Radical also got absorbed into them, and still no TimeSplitters 4 in sight...
Nintendo's lack of marketing and support obviouisly played its part as well. No, they don't have to do it, but if their competitors are rolling out the red carpet for games like this where do you think developers are going to go?
Re: Electronic Arts CEO Discusses The Company's Plans For Virtual Reality At SXSW
VR will be the next big thing mark my words.
I don't know if it will become the standard or phase out after a couple of years coughWiicough but I do know I will want it, no matter who makes it.
I've played the same kinds of games for for years now and I'm ready for something new.
Re: Let's Gaze With Admiration At Five New Courses for Mario Kart 8
This game looks incredible.
If they want to make the most of this chance they NEED a Mario Kart bundle. Maybe leave out the screen pad and drop the price to something parents can't refuse.
An HD Wii with a new Mario Kart for £150: PEOPLE WILL BUY IT.
Re: Retro Studios Talks Up Wii U And Has Been Working On A New Title Since November
Star Fox, PLEASE.
or a new IP would be nice, don't just do Metroid again.
Re: Sega Unleashes Sonic Boom Behind The Scenes Video
How do they keep getting me hyped for each game??
I told myself never again, but here we are...
Re: Bandai Namco Cheekily Projects An 80-Foot Pac-Man Onto The Side Of Sega's UK HQ
Maybe there is some sort of rivalry.
Both characters have 3D platformers coming out based on TV shows...
Re: Mario Kart 8 Racing Wheel Available For Preorder In The UK, Looks Suspiciously Like The Old Wii One
Definitely don't want anymore of these things cluttering up the house, but at least the option is there for those who might.
Love it or hate it, I thnk the original played a big part in making MKW a success.
Now if they could just create a new racing IP for those of us that want something more hardcore that would be great. coughf-zerocough
Re: Month Of Kong: The Making Of Donkey Kong Country
Whenever I read these history articles about Rare it fills me with warmth, which then immediately dissipates when I get to the end and remember where they are now.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Direct Pointed to Another Wii U Retail Drought
I could honestly live with the very slow flow of just first party games if the console was dirt cheap. I'm talking cheaper than the Xbox 360 and PS3 right now, because frankly with the amount of games those consoles have and continue to get, they are better value.
Nothing wrong with being the cheapest. If the price reflected the software library better I could respect and recommend the console.
Re: Nintendo UK Launches a New "Nintendo Girls Club" YouTube Channel
So glad I'm not a girl.
Re: January's NPD Results Show Improved Software Sales for Nintendo, With Hardware Figures Elusive
While there has most definitely been a drop in interest in the Xbone/PS4, this year they're going to get games such as Titanfall, The Order, Destiny, and Elder Scrolls Online. The hype for these games will be massive, and it's hype that sells systems. Before it dies down, there'll undoubtedly be more announcements at E3 ready for the second half of the year. While not forgetting that all this time 360s and PS3s continue to sell as well.
Nintendo don't need any of this to sell their hardware, but they do need to get their software droughts under control pronto.
Re: Amazon Lists Transformers: Rise Of The Dark Spark For Wii U And 3DS
Nice Stan Bush tag line...
Re: Nintendo Direct: Trailers Round-Up
Are they really going to wait until E3 to show us anything new for the Wii U?
They're either completely ignorant of their current situation or are planning to pull the plug after these games arrive.
Re: Talking Point: The Watch_Dogs Wii U Delay Demonstrates That Major Third-Parties Are Walking Away
electrolite77: "We've known for a while third-party support was going to collapse. Problem is if Nintendo are happy with that they have to prove they can support the machine alone if it's to have a chance of even Gamecube sales and any kind of profit"
This, a million times.
Re: Sega Has "No Plans" To Release Sonic Boom In Japan, Sonic Team Will Continue To Work On The Franchise
I don't think Japan would accept the new character designs anyway, they've stripped all the cute out of them.
Re: This 'Provisional' Mario Kart 8 Box Art May Get You Into Gear
Awesome
Re: A Sonic Boom Game is Dashing Towards Wii U and 3DS
Looks more like Sonic Adventure in gameplay, I'm listening.
...but Knuckles... what have they done to you... D:
I really hope he doesn't become the 'big dumb comedy value' character :/
Re: Poll: Have Your Say on Satoru Iwata's Nintendo Strategies
Why oh why can't they just make more games... is that so hard?
Lord knows they have the money for it.
Re: Talking Point: Is There A Future For The Wii U Without The GamePad?
I would love for there to be more games that use the touchscreen, or more games planned at least, but there aren't.
Hence why I think they should drop it.
It won't make the console a winner, but it will at least help it reach the finish line before it's replacement shows up.
Re: Feature: Nintendo Games Our Readers Would Love to See in 2014
@marnelljm I did. Excitetruck was awesome if you knew how to play it properly.
Re: Video: Short Film Extols The Virtues Of Buttons, Features Nintendo Quite Heavily
Like Phantom_R said, you can feel buttons under your thumbs/fingers.
Touchscreens can't give that physical feedback, hence why real buttons will always be superior to virtual buttons.
Re: Weirdness: Someone's Actually Compiled All of the NES 'Start' Screens
Ah... the days when games just started up, and didn't make you watch a minute of production credits telling you the physics engine and the graphics engine and the video codecs...
Re: Mass Market Price And Mario Kart 8 Will Reverse The Wii U's Fortunes, Say UK Retailers
Sounds about right. For the amount of games the system gets it's not worth the price. Xbox360 and PS3 are still way better value for money.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Wii U Struggles Bring a Challenge, Not Doom
For all the marketing and design problems the Wii U has, all it really needs is more games.
The third party support is pretty much dead. They've gotta realise that and invest WAY more money in second party developers. They should have done this years ago with their ridiculous surplus of cash.
Hopefully by E3 they'll have a lot more to show us, otherwise they're screwed.
Re: New Road Redemption Footage Blasts Away Road Rash Comparisons
Looks fine to me. This is development footage afterall, not a release trailer.
It's to show the backers that they are indeed working on the game.
Re: 3DS Tops US Hardware Sales as Wii U Achieves "Its Highest Month" in December
That's pretty good actually, I was expecting a lot worse.
Whatever their marketing strategy is in the US they need to bring it to Europe.
Re: Nintendo Left Online Out Of Super Mario 3D World To Deliver The "NES" Experience
Well this is obviously crap.
I'm hoping the real reason is that they didn't want the game to miss it's christmas release.
Otherwise it just means they're still completely incompetent about online gaming. Something even Sega managed to get right 14 years ago with dial-up modems.
Re: Feature: Nintendo Games We'd Love to See in 2014
Nintendo, are you listening?
...no of course you're not.
Re: Nintendo Software Continues to Lose Momentum in UK Charts
They simply don't market enough over here.
It shows that they don't care about the UK, and in turn the UK has shown they don't care about Nintendo.
Re: Prolific Video Game Box Art Illustrator Greg Martin Passes Away
I'm also ashamed to say never knew of this man until now. Yet those box arts were a fond part of my childhood. I wish the innocence in gaming hadn't been lost like it has, but maybe it was inevitable.
Rest in peace Greg.
Re: Western Version Of Bravely Default Features Costume Changes For Female Characters
So many people here defending their right to see what looks like a 10 year old girl in a skimpy bikini. :/
Re: Talking Point: New Year Resolutions for Nintendo
Invest more in game development. (More games)
This should be their number one priority right now as a video games company.
Re: Western Version Of Bravely Default Features Costume Changes For Female Characters
^ this