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@Yorumi could it possibly have something to do with how the mouse is setup? I know most decent mouse come with software to allow you to change the DPI? Maybe the mouse is set to a profile with bigger movements, therefore the converter interprets the movements in bigger chunks? I dunno, I'm not a developer/ software engineer.

@Dr_Lugae because context. Like I said, I shouldn’t have to explain. Read the article and understanding the context shouldn’t be too hard. In the context of the article and the games being removed, my comment makes sense (again) in highlighting Nintendo’s flippant statement.

@Dr_Lugae ??? No it wouldn’t. They’re the games they’re pulling from sale, Mr Pedantic.

My point is that the statement is disingenuous. Didn’t think I’d have to spell it out.

They hope we continue to enjoy the game they’re pulling from sale? Have they all just got drunk and forgotten what they’re doing?

@Dethmunk I’m pretty sure PS5 4K upgrades were used ‘as an example’. Those same upgrades are available on ALL other platforms except Nintendo’s. Xbox, PC, Stadia... all have them.

@TheFullAndy well if they show up at the end of the race they still lose, because the race has ended. It seems more appropriate for the analogy to have them carry the older men at the beginning of the race, giving them a head start.

It adds some context, but only in the sense of explaining what similar products were also sold that year. It leaves out the context that two of those products were expected to have their lowest sales and that the other two products were only on sale for 16% of the period being reviewed (and were the most impacted in relation to stock shortages! - something that the article even explains!).

I’m done with this now though. It’s like trying to paint a picture for blind people.

@TheFullAndy yes, but to use my analogy; the two fit 20yr old men put the two 80yr old men down after 15m and stop running themselves.

The 40yr old man tripped, twice, and fell over both times. He still got up and beat the two 80yr old men as they carried on running. Surprise, surprise.

@TheFullAndy yeah... so, two 8yr old consoles at their lowest point, and two consoles with no stock... context really is everything.

Edit: the two consoles with no stock were also only on sale for a month and half of the comparison period.

@TheFullAndy exactly... that’s my point. It was against 8yr old consoles in a year when their sales should have been expected to be at their lowest point.

@TheFullAndy I mean... it does.

If you say “It sold really well, even against this other four year old console” then that’s a fair comparison and relevant comparisons of competition can be made and celebrated.

If you say “It sold really well. It beat two other consoles as well. Yes, yes, yes... we know those consoles are older and less people are buying them... but we’re still going to use that to justify why the Switch sales are awesome”, that’s not really impressive. It’s almost obvious (No?).

As I’ve explained multiple times now... the figures don’t need justifying. They’re impressive ‘as is’. Comparing them to sales of consoles that are expected to be at their lowest of their lifecycle (maybe excluding this year) isn’t exactly something to be proud of... so why draw the comparison?

Like my original comparison. If I’m a 40yr old man and I win a 100m foot race against another 40yr old man, then that’s (in context) impressive. If I as a 40yr old man beat an 80yr old man in a 100m foot race, why should I expect people to think that’s impressive?

Now, if there is a leaderboard for 40yr old men running 100m and I get the fastest time on that leaderboard... that fact alone is more impressive than winning against another 40yr old man alone.

The Switch sales are the equivalent of getting top of the leaderboard for a consoles sales at four years- very impressive.

@TheFullAndy ... this is getting old... I do realise that. I’m saying the comparison cheapens the achievement. See my previous comments.

@Friendly why? You OK?

@UltimateOtaku91 thanks, at least I know I’m not going crazy!

@Friendly I’m not admitting I’m wrong? What’s wrong with you? Rude? You’ve lead a very sheltered life if you think I’ve been rude.

The bizarre thing is, I’m trying to say that these figure are impressive. But they’re more impressive when you don’t compare them to sales figures of a those products that are expected to perform to a lesser standard. And you seem insistent on making these comparisons that cheapen the achievement. It’s weird.

Switch last year was a younger console. Half way through its life cycle. It’s sales were hugely impressive. The PS4 and XB1 were on their way out. Fans of those systems who wanted to buy one have been incentivised to not buy one, either through saturation or because they’re waiting for the next gen console variant.

It is not impressive to say that a younger, newer console outsold those consoles. But... the sales figures are impressive regardless of comparison. The comparison cheapens the achievement. It isn’t needed. It is fanboyish console bashing for the sake of it.

Everything actually did really well last year, it’s just that Switch had a stellar year.

THATS my point. In my honest, politely held opinion, trying to draw further comparison to some how validate Nintendo’s achievement is juvenile and unnecessary.

You can compare year on year, and that’s fair. Which you have done. But that isn’t what I comment on, nor is it the content of the article we’re commenting on.

@UltimateOtaku91 THIS. Exactly my point. Agreed.

@Clyde_Radcliffe I’m a fanboy of the other consoles? Did you even read my other comments? I’m assuming not... you seem to be missing my point.

It IS fanboyism to say that only Nintendo is THE proper games platform and that Sony and MS are not because they also make other products.

@dew12333 totally right to praise the achievement I agree. I just think the achievement is cheapened by comparing it to a console that’s expected to sell less.

@Friendly never mind. Like I said before... well done.

@Clyde_Radcliffe that’s fair, but saying Nintendo is ‘proper’ compared to Xbox and PlayStation is also fanboyish.

They all produce awesome games, it’s just that people obviously have preferences. I’m lucky to have all three major platforms and they all do something special and they all lead in their own ways and they’re all successful.

@Friendly no I didn’t agree with you... smh.

Look my overall point, and the one I was making initially is that comparing the sales to MS and Sony does a disservice to the sales of Switch.

You seem adamant to base the success of the Switch on the success of Xbox and PS.

I’m saying that the sales are impressive regardless.

By comparing the sales of a mid-life console to the sales of an end-life console does a disservice to the Switch sales. Why compare the impressive achievement against something that is expected to be unimpressive?

Hence the young man/old man running analogy.

You’re missing my point and acting like a fanboy. I’m saying the Switch sales are impressive beyond a weak comparison.

@dew12333 because the XB1 and PS4 were being phased out.

Therefore, if you want an Xbox do you buy the one that is about to be replaced, or do you wait and buy the replacement (that is being released within the 12 month period that we’re comparing) and then find out that you can’t because they all sold out and then end up not making a purchase altogether?

Hence the apples and oranges.

Again... don’t get me wrong, Switch sales are amazing and it is genuinely an achievement. It’s just not one that is ‘in spite’ of Sony and MS. COVID has messed so many things up that these comparisons are so skewed that they aren’t relevant.

@Friendly well done.

@Darkyoshi98 yes. Lol.

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@HamatoYoshi duuuuude... you are making THAT point. On a Nintendo website. That’s brave.

@Friendly it very much is apples to oranges. It’s almost definition of apples and oranges.

However, we do agree that it is an achievement. However, the sales are an achievement because of the numbers. Not because it BEAT another product. That’s fanboy crap.

Celebrating an accomplishment can be done by simply celebrating it. No need for the pettiness.

For clarity... since there’s a fair few fanboys I here, I love my Switch. Great console. I’m just pointing out that comparing mid life-cycle sales of a product to end life-cycle sales of a comparable product, it’s an apples to oranges comparison.

@Friendly not really. They were sold out and due to COVID couldn’t make enough.

@HamatoYoshi agreed, PS is great for playing PS4 games. Not really sure what your point is, but I agree. (Be careful, if I think your point is that new consoles should be mocked for having a lot of ports or last gen remasters - I’ll just point out that your on a Nintendo website and the latest Nintendo console is the Switch, y’know with games like BotW, MK8, 3D All-Stars... etc).

@RickD PS5 games. ?

I mean... Sony and MS were winding down in the run up to next gen. It’s kind of like a 30yr old man beating an 80yr old man in a race and then gloating about it.

This is poor... when a selling point of the ‘improved’ update is that buttons now work... smh. And this is a full £59.99. Only Nintendo would get away with this.

Personally, for me, it’s needed.

That may change once COVID subsides and I find more use for a portable system; but at the moment Nintendo have an under performing machine compared to other platforms and very little to look forward to (that we know about - weird since we just had a main line Direct).

So if it isn’t sold out in the US, UK and Australia... which Amazon are we talking about? It isn’t actually sold out anywhere I can see.

I was looking forward to buying it for £24.99.

I am no longer looking forward to it. Due to not actually intending to buy it. Because for £50 I can buy games that are actually new and look like they were meant to come out in 2021.

Lol. Confirmed £50. Nintendo get away with such sh***y practices and every one laps it up.

I agree that it was a bit disappointing. A couple of highlights, but mostly disappointing.

In an age when they’re competing for my time with my PS5 and PC, Nintendo really need to do a bit better. Mario Golf looks ace, but Skyward Sword looked really old. When Sony and Blue Point are putting out re-makes like Demon’s Souls there’s really no excuse for Nintendo to make the bare minimum effort. Lazy.

Lol... Cyberpunk on Switch. That got me. Good one NL. 😂

This could go one of two ways. Either the games I was expecting to come out later in the year (or even next year) are coming early and this Direct will be awesome, or.... this is going to a very disappointing Direct. So Nintendo.

@Zenszulu I mean, I’m sure you’re well aware that Conker’s Bad Fur Day is a different game with different licences, deals and legalities.

As for Goldeneye... I’m lost. You clearly state (and therefore understand?) that a publisher maintains publishing rights until those rights are renegotiated or they expire.

This article is about the 2007 Goldeneye remake. Nintendo’s publisher rights expired in 2017.

So, Nintendo may no longer have a say, but they did back when this matter was being discussed/dealt with.

@Link_of_Hyrule Nintendo published the game.

@Dr_Lugae well, I mean, surely that’s on us as the consumer/fans?

I still don’t think it’s OK to normalise and accept such emotions as resentment and then allow that to be an OK reason to act negatively towards others.

Cyberpunk does get press for the poor management of the game, but the alternative is that it gets no press coverage. Is that right? If they do turn it around eventually and it eventually gets rid of the bugs, should we maintain our position of not allowing them the credit? What precedent does that set? Remember, it’s is widely considered to be a very good game- it’s just a bug ridden mess and borderline unplayable on last gen consoles.

As I’ve already said, No Man’s Sky and Sean Murray are a bad example because the circumstances were not entirely of their making (and they totally deserve recognition for their dedication to commit and promise on their original vision - plus the game is quite good now).

Also, the director/dev in this article is the Ori dev. They have had their fair share of coverage and accolades, and a number of nominations for awards. So, in this instance there’s even less reason to be bitter and he seems to be taking shots for some other reason - suggesting he’s just generally unhappy at the moment.

@skullivan yeah, I think Murray gets a bad rap because of all the surrounding circumstances that he wasn’t entirely to blame for. This dev calling him out in this way just seems a bit disingenuous. In my profession there is a sense of camaraderie where we generally stick up for each; not finding mistaken excuses to have digs at each other. It seems off to me.

On another note; if you haven’t gone back to No Man’s Sky it is well worth revisiting. It’s on GamePass if you an Xbox and is fairly cheap on other platforms. It’s a completely different game now. I’ve only played a little bit (a few hours), but it really does exceed the scope of the original vision and it looks and plays really well (recently played it on PS5).

Edit: Auto-correct errors.

@RupeeClock I’m pretty sure Sean Murray never said it would have multiplayer at launch (I could be wrong). The problem with No Mans Sky was that the hype generated by Sony, the gaming press and influencers completely blew the game out of proportion.

As for the sentiment that we shouldn’t forgive people if they rectify their mistakes? C’mon... seriously? Sure, we don’t forget that they made them and we let that inform our decisions going forward, but we should definitely they forgive people who end up making good.

(Edit: second paragraph is not a reply. It is more a comment on the article and this particular director).

@the_beaver at the moment... not much is exciting. That’s kind of the problem.

@nocdaes Really? Totally sounds like the super paranoid, over protective, socially awkward Nintendo we all know.

Exciting?

<looks around>

🤷‍♂️

@HamatoYoshi I’d agree if it wasn’t for the next generation of machines having just released, meaning that the power gap between the consoles will now be even bigger and therefore meaning that stable third party ports/versions of games are less likely. This itself wouldn’t be too bad if Nintendo themselves actually released some new games. The only NEW game of consequence coming out that we know is MHR, and there hasn’t really been any bangers since Animal Crossing last year.

Edit: I’m aware that MHR isn’t Nintendo... but you understand what I mean.

FYI- not news. I’ve had these pre-ordered on the Nintendo Store website since 04/10/2020 when they were announced last year.

@RickD oh, my mistake. I thought it said they were playing a game, not stopping to check a message/notification.

No wait... it did say they were playing a game. Oh, haha, I said that in my comment as well.

I might go for that job, although I’m not sure that being able to spot the obvious is a core skill they’re looking for. If I were you I’d stay well away from it though... you’re clearly not a detective!

@FantasiaWHT dude... exercise is permitted. If you’re exercising you generally don’t stop, pull out your phone and start playing a game. At which point it stops being exercise and you should stop and go home. And if the intention of the journey is to go to that location to play the game, then that’s a non-essential journey.

People trying to bend the rules is getting the country in further trouble and causing extended lockdowns.

Also, your attitude toward emergency services is reprehensible and unfair; since they can’t exactly respond with “No, f*** you.” If you’re in trouble they’ll come and help you anyway.

..........................It’s out?

Random words that don’t mean anything so I can ask a simple question and the comments algorithm lets me.