Shin Megami Tensei V has now entered "full-scale development", according to producer Kazuyuki Yamai.
Despite the fact that the game was announced some time ago, the project hasn't hit its stride until very recently, as Yamai explains to 4Gamer:
At the start, the production of this project only had a few people at its core, with more and more people gradually becoming involved. Although this number is still increasing, I feel that the production staff has come together considerably to a point—and reaching a milestone—where we can say we’ve started full-scale development.
The producer added that the aim is to make this new title a perfect middle ground between the worlds of handheld and home console gaming, with content that is visually striking when you're playing on the TV, but gameplay that has a "casual" feeling more attuned to portable play - Shin Megami Tensei IV and Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse on 3DS are cited as examples of the latter.
Given the boost in tech, it's unsurprising that Yamai admits production time is going to be increased. He says that a single demon will take around three times as much effort to model and create as in previous titles.
Goodness knows when we'll see this new entry, but are you excited already? Let us know by posting a comment below.
[source nintendoeverything.com]
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It could be a long time before we see this. Late 2019 if we're very lucky, probably 2020, possibly even later.
Perfect opportunity to port Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE to Switch in the meantime.
@Grumblevolcano Enough already with the ports. It's not just that they're ports but they devalue the Wii U versions. The Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Fortissimo Edition cost a lot of money, still does. If a Switch version is announced that will reduce its value. You only need look at what the other ports has done to the price of Wii U games.
This will be a painful wait considering this is one of my most anticipated Switch titles. This is why I prefer Nintendo's approach of keeping game announcements under wraps until they're ready to ship the game within a year or less.
At least the wait will be worth it. SMT has never disappointed me.
my most anticipated game across all systems
I'm not suprised that a HD-ready model will take 3 times longer than an old sprite with a few frames of animation.
...but SMT recycles a lot of assets so these should last them a couple of SMT games
Considering they produced two SMT IVs on the 3DS with a fair number of DS ports, hopefully no. 5 will release no later than 2019...fingers crossed.
woohoo!
Just gotta add another 9-12 months for translation :-/
@SLIGEACH_EIRE - what if one doesn't own the Wii U version or a Wii U. The benefits far out-way negatives. If your sole purpose is keeping games for monetary reasons, then being against ports is a really selfish attitude.
These ports are actually helping to drive Switch sales, which in turn means more 1st and 3rd party support in the future for US all to benefit from.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Why exactly should people care about a dead console losing exclusivity to a game? The ports usually aren't handled by the main development teams, they won't slow down the arrival of SMT5.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE As a person who likes his Wii U and a game collector I can understand that point of view but Nintendo doesn't make money on the resell market. They only make it on new sales so all these ports makes sense for them. The Wii U just didn't sell well so this is Nintendo's opportunity to get awareness out there for some of these Wii U games (and easy money) to the wider Switch market.
Well there goes any chance for this being a 2019 title... wow man... We need something big at E3 for this year...
Nintendo has managed to lose ALL Momentum it garnered last year in just 1 1/2 months...
@JaxxDuffer It's not just monetary but I don't want to see my collection of games being devalued. I bought several versions of games on Wii U, one to open and play, the others to keep for Collector's purposes as Wii U was such a niche console. Now Nintendo are finding another way of annoying those loyal fans who stood by them.
Its gonna take a while but it will be so good when it finally arives. I love SMT
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Is the value of games for you based off how few other people get to enjoy them?
I don't think anyone in their right mind assumed SMT 5 would come out sooner than 2019. Regardless, I want to get it since 4 was pretty good. Pretty, pretty, pretty good!
well I only started playing SMT IV apocalypse, hope it can hold up 100 hours
I found SMT IV to be too boring so I never made it far. Don't know if I'll try V or not, but at least I'll have plenty of time to decide.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE You can get the vanilla version of fe new on amazon for $30 bucks. How come that doesn’t devalue the special addition yet a new vanilla version would?
@SLIGEACH_EIRE ah so this is all about you and your collection.
So, I think I'm going to try to play every other SMT related game I can before this releases. It's one way to numb the pain associated with what will likely be a long wait for a game I'm profoundly excited to play.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I really don't care that the Wii U versions would be devalued, I buy games to play them and I buy special editions when I want the contents of the special edition. I don't buy games for the purpose of selling them later for extremely high prices.
If Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE got ported to Switch, I would buy that port day 1 and enjoy it more than the Wii U version I already own due to being able to play it anywhere.
@Grumblevolcano I've never sold a game but I'd like to think they'll be antiques in 50 years or so and it would be nice if they're worth some money. And I too buy games to play them as I've already said, the second copy or more are kept sealed to hopefully keep its value.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE That is literally the stupidest reason for not to have a Switch port of Tokyo Mirage Sessions.
@stocko "Stupidest"? Really? Great grammar for your argument.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Wow are you a child? Maybe actually reply to my a response instead of acting like a 10 year old.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE that's some incredibly poor business planning on your part if you are investing in to a game (multiple copies) in hopes that they will have a future value and you are only to blame should they become "devalued" by the game receiving new life on other consoles.
For you to feel as if a game shouldn't be re-released as it would not retain a future monetary reimbursement is pretty stupid and shows how misaligned your ideas of what a "loyal fan" is. In your mind that game should only belong to it's original release so that someone could profit off of it.
That doesn't seem to go hand in hand with a "loyal fan" as it seems to go more in hand with a flipper/scalper/reseller.
Anywho, the game currently has a resell value of 20 bucks for the standard copy and 100+ for the limited sealed in package. You're rich.
@stocko if you haven't learned by now, he absolutely is a child. Someone with the capacity of an adult would be investing their money in to something with actual returns for future planning - not video games and arguing with people on a message board that :
"whaaaa, don't release my game again - I am 3lit3 for owning it on it's original system and I want it to be worth selling on ebay in 20 years"
Heck yeah.
In the meantime, they should have a smaller team port the old PS2 titles. SMT 3: Nocturne, both Digital Devil Saga titles, and the Raidou Kuzunoha games are all only on PS2 still!
Excitement intensifies!
@stocko Thanks for confirming what I suspected you are. That was all your "response" deserved. Your one sentence, poor grammar and didn't make any meaningful contribution other than to slag off my opinion.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Wow I don't think I have met a more ignorant person on this site as you, I'm sure I am not the only one who thinks that. Congratulations.
This is going to be a long wait.
@hippoeater That response was spot on!
Doesn't this series share quite a bit with the Persona games? If so many of these demons have already been created in a higher quality for Persona 5. You would imagine some existing assets from that could be reused to help speed up production, rather than saying they're effectively starting from scratch leaving the 3DS behind
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I could not care less about the value of your collector’s item. Ports of Wii-U games are good for the system, because those games are currently exclusive to a dead console with a low install base. I’d love for every Wii-U exclusive game to get a re-release on Switch so that those quality games can get the sales, attention, and potential sequels that they deserve.
@carlos82 Well, yes and no. They do share a lot of things in common, but there are some differences. But to be fair, we don’t have any significant details about their process. They could be doing exactly what you’re suggesting, and just be talking about the extra time needed to redo the ones they couldn’t move over and tweak.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
You are ridiculous and the prime example of someone with more money than sense.
These games were eventually going to be re-released regardless. There's no point letting them die in obscurity with a system that was a massive failure when you have a system with a much larger install base.
A port of Tokyo Mirage sessions would be nice, and make the wait for this easier. Now that I beat Xenoblade I need more Jrpgs in my life.
Tough crap people. You act like you are entitled to them but you're not. You had ample opportunity to buy these on Wii U, you still do. But Nintendo will only be too delighted to charge full price on old games for little work.
@Tank207 The Switch doesn't have a much larger install base than the Wii U(it will but it currently doesn't) and Nintendo started porting Wii U games from day one(actually before the Switch released) when they had no idea at that point how the Switch would sell.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
The Switch is one of the fastest selling consoles in history, eclipsing the Wii U's lifetime sales in less than a year. It will have a much larger install base by the end of this year than the Wii U did. Barely anyone bought a Wii U, these ports are for those people and those of us who would like to experience them again with the convenience of the Switch.
And you calling other people entitled is such glorious irony.
@Tank207 I love this response! Round of Applause!
@Tank207 No, it's not. I bought something that exists. You and others are saying Wii U games should be ported to Switch. That's entitlement. If you want them so badly, go buy them on the Wii U. Nothing's stopping you or anyone else.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Complaining about ports because it devalues your hoard of collector's editions you were hoping would be worth something one day is entitlement.
Video games aren't a good long term investment. Especially since they often get re-released for later systems.
If they didn't get ported to the Switch they'd be ported to something else down the line.
Can't wait to see how good this game looks with that Sega money behind it!
" but gameplay that has a "casual" feeling more attuned to portable play"
Wow....that's great.....because if there's one thing I really appreciated about SMTIV, it's how good a casual game it is?
A little sad that they're just hitting their stride now....we were expecting a 2018 release, but this sounds like 2019 (JPN) with questionable 2019/2020 localization.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE The ports are important for WiiU games, though. Value or not, there were so many stellar games on WiiU that sold really poorly and didn't make a sufficient return due to the low install base. TMS#FE was an AMAZING game that under-performed what it should have due to the hardware. I can see skipping ports of factory-churned games (even Smash 4) but unique masterpieces of art really should see the light of day. Even if they make a sequel it doesn't replace that first game. And it's not like they're making new WiiU's to play it on. I kind of agreed with you in the beginning on ports, but Bayo 2, TMS#FE, etc really shouldn't be left like the first Luigi's Mansion and Sunshine, forgotten games on a forgotten platform that most people haven't even noticed existed. And they, financially, certainly baked into their estimates the ability to keep selling those games to better numbers going forward, which isn't wrong on their part. A great game (and its franchise) shouldn't be doomed because it was exclusive to doomed hardware.
Still, I think WiiU originals will retain significant value among dedicated collectors. They will dip massively in the short term, but if you're hanging on for the long term, wait until WiiU is as old as N64 stuff but twice as rare. There's just so few of them to go around, they will be purple unicorns in 20 years.
No Switch ports becuase...it devalues muh collection...
Wow...
@SLIGEACH_EIRE seriously man, I try not to reply and/or pick on you because well, almost everybody else already does and often you’re criticized even when you say stuff that makes sense and/or give valuable contribution to the site (charts, news, etc.).
But this time you’re really bordering pathetic: how can you reasonably think you might be right in not wanting ports on Switch just because you already have them on Wii U and don’t want them devalued? And you also dare call people “entitled”? I mean, that’s utterly ridiculous.
Do you constantly keep your head up your self-righteous arse or do you sometimes recognize there actually are people out there with different needs and desires from yours?
If people on this very site are asking for a second chance to get TMS#FE, imagine how many copies it might have sold to the wider public.
I mean, I have a Wii U, but due to my studies, work, and living away from my hometown I have almost never had the chance to play it regularly, so I only have a few games on that system. The Switch, instead, adapts perfectly to my needs and lets me play games whenever and wherever I want to, so of course I’d like a second chance to get some of those masterpieces I’ve missed out on (looking forward to Hyrule Warriors and DKC:TF for example, as I’ve never played them).
TL;DR: So, just in case you’re thinking about missing the point and/or point out wrong grammar, I’ll esplain my point: can you see why these ports might benefit people other than you? Or are you so selfish and full of s**t that you’d rather deny hundreds of thousands of people the chancw to play great games just because (I’m feeling stupid even typing it) your collection might get devalued?
Oh by the way, I’ve only just noticed that TMS in TMS#FE is SMT reversed. So it kind of is SMT X FE lol
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Wow, you've gone above and beyond the call of duty with your ridiculous arguments today. From not knowing what entitlement is, to thinking companies should base their decisions on how it affects the value of your collection, to telling people they should buy a dead system, they've just gotten better and better. But I'm a bit weird, and one thing that really bothers me is people who incorrectly attempt to correct someone else's grammar. The preferred superlative form of "stupid" is "stupidest", which means that @stocko 's grammar is just fine, and that you are just compounding how ridiculous you sound.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE im sure the wii u versions will go for a pretty penny in 50 years by sheer scarcity.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Jesus Christ, you're just being selfish at this point. You don't want people to have the opportunity to play great games because it would devalue your collection. What a terribly, terribly selfish way to think.
@mdmtripp For the umpteenth time, you can play them. I've no problem with that. They're available to buy on the Wii U eShop and various retailers.
@SharkAttackU Nah, it'll be worthless because the Wii U relies too heavily on the Wii U Gamepad. If your Wii U Gamepad dies, your Wii U is basically a brick. Combine that with the fact that the number of Wii U Gamepads equals the number of Wii U consoles (the Gamepad wasn't sold separately anywhere) and you see the long term future of Wii U as a retro console is very grim. Yet another reason why the more Wii U ports for Switch, the better.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE So a game doesn't need to come to Switch because people can just buy a Wii U? That would imply the AAA games you keep clamoring for don't need to come to Switch because you can just buy a PS4.
Well won't wee that for some time
@Grumblevolcano You can replace the battery on the Gamepad yourself. It's very easy, you can't do that on the Switch. You've to send it off to Nintendo. Also, the Wii U had its games all contained on the disc compared to Switch cartridge games that have a lot of their data as a digital download, especially the larger games. When the servers go down, Switch is in trouble.
That's great, hope they reveal more details about the game at E3 2018. I don't care if this game would be a late 2019 release, I just want it to be the best it could be.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I hear you with enough with the old ports (Especially when full price). Now we getting $60 rehashed 3DS games 😂
I have never seen a Nintendo community that actually begs for rehashed full price old games as much as the new Switch generation.
I think your WiiU FE LE copy is safe (good game). It is like The Vita Ys8 LE - the price has not really devaluated much since the Switch announcement. It is still the LE to have in a collection.
I personally rather they make a new one. That would be awesome on the Switch and well worth $60 - day 1 LE for me. Or something like Bayonetta, they released the old one on the eShop (at a discount) but also announced a new one. That is cool.
I would LOVE more people to play TMS#FE. Probs wouldn't double dip without new content but that game is an absolute blast and it needs a bigger install base to be properly appreciated as it's super niche in its own right!
Weird argument about ports...
Super hyped for this, even if it takes like 2 years to come out
To me, ports are good...I'm thinking about games getting a second chance, but also companies like Platinum getting a second chance. They put a few games on Wii U that never really reached their sales potential.
This game (and Pokemon) is why I'm buying the Switch over any other console. Looks like my purchase can wait at least another year if this announcement is anything to go by, perhaps I was a fool to expect an earlier release.
SMT IV (and Apocalypse) is my favorite 3DS game, I 100% believe this will be worth the wait (for anyone on the fence about it).
On a different note, I wasn't expecting the direction this comment section took. As someone who never bought a WiiU and still never plans to, I'm ok with any port if only for the portable factor. Plus, it's not like other consoles didn't get tons of ports in their earlier years.
PS give us Persona 5: [shade of red] @ Atlus
Yeah this will be a 2020 game most likely. I fully expect it to be the last of the "in the pipeline" Switch games to release (Pokemon, Pikmin 4, Bayonetta 3, and Metroid Prime 4 being the others).
@Grumblevolcano nah. The gamepad can be repaired anf the betteries replaced. Thats like saying the switch will be worthless because it relies too much on joy con lol
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Ports of good Wii U games is a must. Get over it.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Wii U has its own problems on the servers side of things regarding both the OS and games. Switch OS was stable at launch meanwhile Wii U OS wasn't stable until a few major system updates were released, can't do the system updates if the servers are shut down. Also, Wii U is where the idea of day 1 software updates really started with Nintendo consoles so the problems the Switch would have on that front also exist on Wii U.
@SharkAttackU There's a big difference between the Wii U Gamepad and the Joy-Con, you can pretty much do anything except play a select few games like 1-2 Switch and Nintendo Labo without the Joy-Con meanwhile basic functionality is off-limits without the Wii U Gamepad. Also you can buy replacement Joy-Con if you really want, which wasn't an option with the Wii U Gamepad.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I dunno, but where do you get the idea that this is - or even should be - part of the consideration on whether or not to port a game. I'm pretty sure it isn't part of said consideration, and I for one, don't think it should be.
If anyone feels like "investing" in retail videogames, they should be aware that such an investment is speculative, as such ... yeah, it might very well devalue those retail games, but frankly, by that logic, there shouldn't be any ports, nor should their digital version, hell, there should probably be an artificial shortage of retail version as well, which is hardly anything I would vote for.
Anyways, my issue with a port of a game like TMS#FE is that there would probably once again be no way to port over save games. Hence, as much as I actually enjoyed the game (and I liked quite a bit), I would have to start from scratch, and that I find hardly enticing. If Nintendo can figure out a away to transfer saves (which shouldn't be this hard in this day and age of cloudsaving, something Microsofts been doing for ever), I'd actually love to see TMS#Fe to be ported, as MORE gamers deserve to play this game. Plus, it would increase the chance of us ever seeing a sequel, which I'd absolutely would support.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Oh yeah, that's COMPLETELY reasonable. Make people spend a couple hundred on a dead console so that they can play one game so that your collection isn't devalued. That's fair.
I cannot wait for this magnificent game.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE As a person who keeps on criticizing you about ports, I think everybody has said what I would say, so I'll make this short for your small, arrogant, entitled mind.
If you are only worried about your games decreasing in value, then you are playing video games for the wrong reasons. People want the port out of love for the game. Unlike you who has a view set on greed ($$$). Once you called someone out for their grammar, you lost the arguments about ports, with no doubt. People can wish for what they want. We are human! Good luck trying to have people buy the wii U since it's dead now
Is there any word yet on Persona Q2?
Definitely getting this, I love the SMT series, now hopefully we get Shin Megami Tensei Persona 6 on the Switch as well
My #1 most anticipated title! New SMT info always makes any day a good day in my book.
So this is getting worse, we're slap bang in the middle of an almighty drought, Nintendo and all the 3rd parties have announced absolutely everything for 2018, and this doesn't look like it's coming out until 2021 now. Doomed....
@carlos82 Of course it has a lot in common with Persona considering Persona is a spinoff of the SMT series
We need a Persona 3 and 4 Dual Pack on modern consoles. SEES needs to come back to fight shadows instead of dancing (even though p3 DMN looks fun)
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I can understand some of your frustration but truth be told I'm all for prices being lowered on wii u games. It makes them easier and cheaper to purchase. I've managed to get some great deals on wii u games due to the lack of interest in the system.
Take your time.
Take your time, we can wait.
Just do it GOOD.
Going from 3DS to Switch is like going from PS1 straight to PS3. So it really isn't much of a surprise about the increase in production time.
@Grumblevolcano 100 percent agree , I prefer ordered Bayonetta but fact that only 2nd one is physical made me cancel it because I got Wii U version with both disc. And I can't waste 60 dollar on it when Wii U version is still amazing, I am putting it on splatoon 2 instead. Also got disc jam, and Lone wolf which I have been thoroughly enjoying. Disc jam is fun in short bursts, even though sometimes I'm like ahhhhhh must play till victory !!!
Woah, people. It seems part of @sligeach_eire 's reasoning for not wanting Switch ports has sort of been exposed here, and I don't share his perspective, myself, but the reactions here are the real "show".
The anger, piling on, name calling, and personal attacks displayed here are frankly ugly. @sligeach_eire may have an unpopular opinion, but many here, through their reactions, seem to be in a race to lose respect.
What an embarrassing display for the community.
For me the later the better, I still have a big backlog of Atlus games.
@IronMan28 Have you played SMT IV Apocalypse? If so, was it also a positive experience like IV?
@ollietaro unfortunately, I haven't played Apocalypse. IV was good, but by the time Apocalypse was out, I didn't have a 3DS anymore. I've heard Apocalypse is entertaining and worth playing even if you've played IV, though.
Oh c'mon Atlas, it's been a year already, GIVE US SOMETHING TO QUENCH OUR DEMONIC THIRST!
@Grumblevolcano You called it
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