Disappointed. This entire generation has been a singularity of rehashy linear platformers with generic Mushroom Kingdom (or in 3D World's case Mushroom Kingdom expy) settings. They're completely devoid of any fun, creativity, innovation, or soul, they're just cynical cash grabs. The Wii U really needed a unique game in the vein of Sunshine, or Galaxy, a large, open 3D platformer with a unique theme and gameplay mechanic that proves the Gamepad useful and defines the gameplay for a new generation. 3D World did not fulfill that purpose.
I totally agree. Hopefully there is life after Wii U and we'll get something worth the "Super Mario" title... in NX? Otherwise, my days with Nintendo will over. No Wave Race, No F-Zero, no real 3D Mario, no Metroid Prime, no good Star Fox game... Only Pikmin and let's see if Zelda Wii U is not a next-gen title (or cross-gen title). Mario Kart 8 is perhaps the Wii U game Nintendo cared more for, it's full of content and it's beautiful, but for me it's not as fun as pre Wii Mario Kart games and I still feel like Double Dash is better. I never liked the New Super Mario Bros. series but I got them all because I'm a fan, you know. New Super Mario Bros. U was good but not as good as Super Mario World. My God, even Mario Party series is worse than ever before. What the heck is doing Nintendo?
...Everyone should have known this E3 was going to be like this when Nintendo pulled Zelda like they did with Twilight Princess... Fans who expected big reveals just weren't paying attention to the business reality of the platform.
It's very easy to say this all in hindsight.
It's very easy to know Nintendo's history... Zelda 3, Star Fox 2, Eternal Darkness, Dinosaur Planet, and Twilight Princess. It happens-- it almost always happens.
Disappointed. This entire generation has been a singularity of rehashy linear platformers with generic Mushroom Kingdom (or in 3D World's case Mushroom Kingdom expy) settings. They're completely devoid of any fun, creativity, innovation, or soul, they're just cynical cash grabs. The Wii U really needed a unique game in the vein of Sunshine, or Galaxy, a large, open 3D platformer with a unique theme and gameplay mechanic that proves the Gamepad useful and defines the gameplay for a new generation. 3D World did not fulfill that purpose.
I totally agree. Hopefully there is life after Wii U and we'll get something worth the "Super Mario" title... in NX? Otherwise, my days with Nintendo will over. No Wave Race, No F-Zero, no real 3D Mario, no Metroid Prime, no good Star Fox game... Only Pikmin and let's see if Zelda Wii U is not a next-gen title (or cross-gen title). Mario Kart 8 is perhaps the Wii U game Nintendo cared more for, it's full of content and it's beautiful, but for me it's not as fun as pre Wii Mario Kart games and I still feel like Double Dash is better. I never liked the New Super Mario Bros. series but I got them all because I'm a fan, you know. New Super Mario Bros. U was good but not as good as Super Mario World. My God, even Mario Party series is worse than ever before. What the heck is doing Nintendo?
I agree. At least we did get Pikmin 3, though. I consider that one game the whole reason I got a Wii U. Though I was secretly hoping for a Pikmin 4 before the NX. But I don't blame them for not making it. They have bigger fish to fry
Well, there's not much else left for Nintendo to make that Mario normally appears in. There's only Strikers Soccer, Golf, and the 3D adventure. We've got pretty much everything else they normally throw at us.
Tbh, this years E3 seems to be the tell tale sign that Nintendo are repeating what they did with the Wii, and leave us with nothing substantial for the last 12 to 18 months before they bring out what ever their next console is.
Thing is, they could fill out the remaining time on the WiiU with Wii downloads, and loads of VC games. That would be an ideal sittuation while they're working on the games for the NeXt console. But as we all know, that ain't gonna happen.
There are tons of Wii U games coming.
Fatal Frame
Mario Tennis
AC thing
Starfox
X
Fire emblem game
Zelda
Mario Maker
Devils Third
Olympics
Skylanders, Disney, guitar hero, lego and all that
Yoshi
This is just announced stuff and I'm probably forgetting some. Its nothing like the Wii. You also got DLC stuff. I have no idea what people are talking about.
I think not having a 'proper' 3D Mario for WiiU would be worth it if it meant that we were getting one at or around the launch of the NX. Super Mario Maker looks like it'll be an absolute masterpiece, so for now I'm ok with just that.
You really can't blame Nintendo. They had the strongest console with the Cube and got their tails handed to them. Then they had the weakest and wackiest console with the Wii and were back on top of the world. Why on Earth would they say "Let's go back to being the most powerful console!" They had no way of knowing. Keeping the Wii brand and "innovating" again really DID sound like the best way to stay on top and ride the Wii's success. It just didn't work.
Hopefully ZeldaU(ZeldaNX) and the 3d Mario that will have been in development for a few years will be ready to launch with the NX and put it back on top. It seems like there are only 2 viable options with NX;
1) Make it as powerful as PS4/XB1 and "slide" into this generation. Which is very possible since Nintendo's consoles have shorter lifespans than the competition. This would put them on the same playing field with Sony and Microsoft, let them have a normal console lifecycle to them that would match when Sony and Microsoft ends the lifecycle, as well as the parts must be much cheaper now, so they'd probably be able to profit off the sale of the console, like they always like to do.
2) "Innovation" again, which, likely will be the hybrid idea. I think this is the best idea, because it effectively "doubles" Nintendo's game output to many people, which is their biggest problem. You might say that it won't, and if you do, you're likely an "Own both Nintendo consoles and look forward to all their releases" type of person. That's great, but you're not who Nintendo is worried about right now. They're assuming you'll buy what they put out next, anyways, and combining consoles only helps to lure you in, anyway.
But there are 2 other groups that Nintendo is really focusing on. The group I am in, is the "Grew up on Nintendo so buy certain franchises every generation, but am not into portable gaming". So the games now double to me since all the portable studios make games I can play at home. And, of course, the most important group is the "Have either left Nintendo or never been a fan". To lure those guys you need an equal amount of games as the competitors, as well as more titles that they view as "mature", which will come from luring in 3rd parties, again.
I understand the pattern, but the Wii U was also the weakest console this generation. So I really hope they don't come to some dumb conclusion of "Weaker = better stronger = worse" because their problems are much much much more than just hardware related.
I'm not that bothered with no more Mario games on Wii U, since we've already had some on it. The thing I dislike is the lack of Metroid, F-Zero and a traditional Animal Crossing game on the Wii U.
You really can't blame Nintendo. They had the strongest console with the Cube and got their tails handed to them. Then they had the weakest and wackiest console with the Wii and were back on top of the world. Why on Earth would they say "Let's go back to being the most powerful console!" They had no way of knowing. Keeping the Wii brand and "innovating" again really DID sound like the best way to stay on top and ride the Wii's success. It just didn't work.
Hopefully ZeldaU(ZeldaNX) and the 3d Mario that will have been in development for a few years will be ready to launch with the NX and put it back on top. It seems like there are only 2 viable options with NX;
1) Make it as powerful as PS4/XB1 and "slide" into this generation. Which is very possible since Nintendo's consoles have shorter lifespans than the competition. This would put them on the same playing field with Sony and Microsoft, let them have a normal console lifecycle to them that would match when Sony and Microsoft ends the lifecycle, as well as the parts must be much cheaper now, so they'd probably be able to profit off the sale of the console, like they always like to do.
2) "Innovation" again, which, likely will be the hybrid idea. I think this is the best idea, because it effectively "doubles" Nintendo's game output to many people, which is their biggest problem. You might say that it won't, and if you do, you're likely an "Own both Nintendo consoles and look forward to all their releases" type of person. That's great, but you're not who Nintendo is worried about right now. They're assuming you'll buy what they put out next, anyways, and combining consoles only helps to lure you in, anyway.
But there are 2 other groups that Nintendo is really focusing on. The group I am in, is the "Grew up on Nintendo so buy certain franchises every generation, but am not into portable gaming". So the games now double to me since all the portable studios make games I can play at home. And, of course, the most important group is the "Have either left Nintendo or never been a fan". To lure those guys you need an equal amount of games as the competitors, as well as more titles that they view as "mature", which will come from luring in 3rd parties, again.
The first option wouldn't be very smart, if they're only just catching up with the PS4 and Xbox One, what would encourage people to switch over to NX? And then what happens if the PS5 and Nextbox comes out 3 years from now? Nintendo would be left in the dust yet again.
You really can't blame Nintendo. They had the strongest console with the Cube and got their tails handed to them. Then they had the weakest and wackiest console with the Wii and were back on top of the world. Why on Earth would they say "Let's go back to being the most powerful console!" They had no way of knowing. Keeping the Wii brand and "innovating" again really DID sound like the best way to stay on top and ride the Wii's success. It just didn't work.
Hopefully ZeldaU(ZeldaNX) and the 3d Mario that will have been in development for a few years will be ready to launch with the NX and put it back on top. It seems like there are only 2 viable options with NX;
1) Make it as powerful as PS4/XB1 and "slide" into this generation. Which is very possible since Nintendo's consoles have shorter lifespans than the competition. This would put them on the same playing field with Sony and Microsoft, let them have a normal console lifecycle to them that would match when Sony and Microsoft ends the lifecycle, as well as the parts must be much cheaper now, so they'd probably be able to profit off the sale of the console, like they always like to do.
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The first option wouldn't be very smart, if they're only just catching up with the PS4 and Xbox One, what would encourage people to switch over to NX? And then what happens if the PS5 and Nextbox comes out 3 years from now? Nintendo would be left in the dust yet again.
Agree with you... no sense in movin "on pair" with Ps/Xb now.... They must "overtake" the current gen. Still, with no 3rd parties, I find very hard that people will switch to NX, since Ps4 and Xbox1 are dominant and selling like hot cakes...
You really can't blame Nintendo. They had the strongest console with the Cube and got their tails handed to them. Then they had the weakest and wackiest console with the Wii and were back on top of the world. Why on Earth would they say "Let's go back to being the most powerful console!" They had no way of knowing. Keeping the Wii brand and "innovating" again really DID sound like the best way to stay on top and ride the Wii's success. It just didn't work.
Hopefully ZeldaU(ZeldaNX) and the 3d Mario that will have been in development for a few years will be ready to launch with the NX and put it back on top. It seems like there are only 2 viable options with NX;
1) Make it as powerful as PS4/XB1 and "slide" into this generation. Which is very possible since Nintendo's consoles have shorter lifespans than the competition. This would put them on the same playing field with Sony and Microsoft, let them have a normal console lifecycle to them that would match when Sony and Microsoft ends the lifecycle, as well as the parts must be much cheaper now, so they'd probably be able to profit off the sale of the console, like they always like to do.
2) "Innovation" again, which, likely will be the hybrid idea. I think this is the best idea, because it effectively "doubles" Nintendo's game output to many people, which is their biggest problem. You might say that it won't, and if you do, you're likely an "Own both Nintendo consoles and look forward to all their releases" type of person. That's great, but you're not who Nintendo is worried about right now. They're assuming you'll buy what they put out next, anyways, and combining consoles only helps to lure you in, anyway.
But there are 2 other groups that Nintendo is really focusing on. The group I am in, is the "Grew up on Nintendo so buy certain franchises every generation, but am not into portable gaming". So the games now double to me since all the portable studios make games I can play at home. And, of course, the most important group is the "Have either left Nintendo or never been a fan". To lure those guys you need an equal amount of games as the competitors, as well as more titles that they view as "mature", which will come from luring in 3rd parties, again.
Nintendo can't fight on the marketing field since the N64 and can't fight on the hardware field since the Wii. They don't have the wallet for that. The NX will probably have the same hardware as the WiiU but with a new idea. Nintendo couldn't afford a top notch powerful hardware.
People don't realize it but today the big actors of the videogames industry are Apple, Steam, Sony, Google, Microsoft. Nintendo is a dwarf compared to them. An intruder. So they make games you don't find elsewhere. They don't focus on graphics because graphics are basically a money war. They focus on gameplay. You can't buy a good gameplay. You need to have experience and talent to build it. And there's still an audience for this. The 3DS proved it.
If the other want to blow out Nintendo completely they need to compete them on their field by making better platformers, kart racers, brawlers, arcade sports games like tennis. You know the typical Nintendo stuff. Otherwise they let a spot to Nintendo
Well even if that is precisely what happens. That the NX is a replacement for the Wii U, it launches next year and the games announced for Wii U thus far are the last games the Wii U gets? Not getting another Mario wouldn't be the thing that I would find disappointing. If that was the case I'd be more annoyed about the fact that I'd have to buy another new piece of hardware to play Metroid, Animal Crossing, Paper Mario etc.
Same. Seriously, those'd be some major missing pieces...even if the Wii U isn't doing well, missing some major staple franchises isn't going to breed good will. I buy these consoles because I usually trust that it'll have the Nintendo games I'll probably want...
Nintendo can't fight on the marketing field since the N64 and can't fight on the hardware field since the Wii. They don't have the wallet for that. The NX will probably have the same hardware as the WiiU but with a new idea. Nintendo couldn't afford a top notch powerful hardware.
I don't think you have any idea of the size of the money mountain Nintendo is sitting on.
Deliberately using older [underpowered] hardware has always worked for Nintendo's handhelds, it also did wonders for the Wii. You can't blame Nintendo for thinking they could get away with another ''underpowered'' home console.
Nintendo can't fight on the marketing field since the N64 and can't fight on the hardware field since the Wii. They don't have the wallet for that. The NX will probably have the same hardware as the WiiU but with a new idea. Nintendo couldn't afford a top notch powerful hardware.
I don't think you have any idea of the size of the money mountain Nintendo is sitting on.
I don't think you do. Nintendo is way smaller than people think. When Nintendo fund an AAA game like Bayonetta 2, Sony and Microsoft can fund 10 games like that without a sneeze
Nintendo can't fight on the marketing field since the N64 and can't fight on the hardware field since the Wii. They don't have the wallet for that. The NX will probably have the same hardware as the WiiU but with a new idea. Nintendo couldn't afford a top notch powerful hardware.
I don't think you have any idea of the size of the money mountain Nintendo is sitting on.
I don't think you do. Nintendo is way smaller than people think. When Nintendo fund an AAA game like Bayonetta 2, Sony and Microsoft can fund 10 games like that without a sneeze
Bayonetta 2 was everything but an AAA game.
Nintendo is sitting on billions of dollars, they could easily afford to fund more third party exclusives. But just because they can, doesn't mean they will do so, it's Nintendo after all.
Nintendo can't fight on the marketing field since the N64 and can't fight on the hardware field since the Wii. They don't have the wallet for that. The NX will probably have the same hardware as the WiiU but with a new idea. Nintendo couldn't afford a top notch powerful hardware.
I don't think you have any idea of the size of the money mountain Nintendo is sitting on.
I don't think you do. Nintendo is way smaller than people think. When Nintendo fund an AAA game like Bayonetta 2, Sony and Microsoft can fund 10 games like that without a sneeze
Dude, you are talking complete fallacies. You're making stuff up - don't just make stuff up and post it like it's real, please.
I saw you said in another post that Sony is a company that dwarfs Nintendo - do you truly think that? If so, what do you have to back that up? Sony for example are in NO WAY doing better than Nintendo. This is common knowledge to people who follow the industry and have grown up with it.
Where is your idea that Nintendo don't have money coming from?
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