The Wii U is in a curious position right now, being held together by stellar AAA Nintendo titles on one side, and an array of mediocre and cheap indie titles on the other. Given that Activision and Ubisoft (the last of the large third party supporters) seem to be rolling back support for the Wii U minus the odd title here and there, do you believe that the Wii U has the backbone to last another 3 years in it's current position? Will Nintendo's efforts (with the odd Tecmo, Activision, Ubi, or SEGA title arriving here and there) be enough for the Wii U? Although we have some possible indie gems upcoming, the majority is crap shovelware.
You are overstating the problem. The Wii U is still getting support from Japanese devs. They just have little to no western support from EA, Ubi, or Activision.
But I think Nintendo is going to have to suck it up this gen. I don't see another out that won't cost them billions of dollars. Right now even the Nintendo titles aren't all that stellar. Since Wonderful 101, we've gotten a massive overabundance of platformers following archaic NES era mechanics/controls and a remaster of a decade old game. Really not too special.
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They certainly don't have enough franchises and eager 3rd parties to do this, so why not? I never cared for most western games anyway
Well the Japanese console industry is declining and face it, Western gaming is far superior IMO. Better graphics and more polished gameplay mechanics.
Only if you like monotonous games that are too similar to each other. The western industry is not that superior
Well the way things are looking most home console game releases will be made by western developers seeing as the Japanese market for home consoles is clearly shrinking, Nintendo will need to create some more westernized games if they want to remain relevant.
Absolutely. Don't underestimate Nintendo's unwillingness to cut a console life span short. They saw what happened to SEGA, so anything less than 4 years is next to impossible and anything less than 5 is unlikely. I know that so far, it's the worst any console has done on Nintendo's end without being immediately shoved under the rug and ignored, but keep in mind that Nintendo values their fans a lot more than Sony, Microsoft, and SEGA do. They have said that they will stick around until they're sure the Wii U audience is satisfied. Any less than five years just seems like a bad idea altogether, no matter how little faith you have in the system. Besides, even with the slow game flow, I've been having a great time will all the high quality games. No matter how much people whine about arbitrary numbers being lower than on the competition, nothing will change the fact that my library is full of gems. Some of them short-lived. Some not so much. Even so, by the time Zelda U launches, next year, I will have gotten everything I ever expected out of this console and far more than my money's worth. Sorry if the same can't be said for you.
The Wii U is in a curious position right now, being held together by stellar AAA Nintendo titles on one side, and an array of mediocre and cheap indie titles on the other. Given that Activision and Ubisoft (the last of the large third party supporters) seem to be rolling back support for the Wii U minus the odd title here and there, do you believe that the Wii U has the backbone to last another 3 years in it's current position? Will Nintendo's efforts (with the odd Tecmo, Activision, Ubi, or SEGA title arriving here and there) be enough for the Wii U? Although we have some possible indie gems upcoming, the majority is crap shovelware.
You are understating the problem. The Wii U....just sucks They have little to no support from EA, Ubi, or Activision. Japanese devs didn't even show up for launch.....
I think Nintendo is going to have to suck it up this gen. I see another out that will cost them billions of dollars. Right now the Nintendo titles are stellar, but since Wonderful 101, we've gotten a massive overabundance of platformers following archaic NES era mechanics/controls and a remaster of a decade old game. Really not too special.
Absolutely. Don't underestimate Nintendo's unwillingness to cut a console life span short. They saw what happened to SEGA, so anything less than 4 years is next to impossible and anything less than 5 is unlikely. I know that so far, it's the worst any console has done on Nintendo's end without being immediately shoved under the rug and ignored, but keep in mind that Nintendo values their fans a lot more than Sony, Microsoft, and SEGA do. They have said that they will stick around until they're sure the Wii U audience is satisfied. Any less than five years just seems like a bad idea altogether, no matter how little faith you have in the system. Besides, even with the slow game flow, I've been having a great time will all the high quality games. No matter how much people whine about arbitrary numbers being lower than on the competition, nothing will change the fact that my library is full of gems. Some of them short-lived. Some not so much. Even so, by the time Zelda U launches, next year, I will have gotten everything I ever expected out of this console and far more than my money's worth. Sorry if the same can't be said for you.
Looking forward to five long years of endless droughts and pointless collabs after great titles such a a Mario Kart, Watch_Dogs and Smash. HYRULE WARRIOR and Fatal Frame V for the win! While the others get AAA titles, you get.....STEAM.
Technically yes, since Nintendo does have a lot of cash and we dont know when they'll announce their next console...but it wont be a "healthy" platform with a constant stream of games.
Four more months until Bayonetta 2.
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No, that won't happen. Simply because the Wii u won't pick up much (or Hyrule warriors and NFC may do a miracle), and Nintendo already said their succesor may be 2 years of. So by the end of 2016 there may be a new device!
On one hand Nintendo will push the new Mariokart immensely (though that won't save them, Mario's high-selling days are over), but on the other hand Iwata said they continue the Wii u untill the current owners are satisfied. Wich means they have lost hope to attract a bigger audience, but at the same time could mean some great games are coming. After all they want to satisfy us? That won't happen with Wii music Nintendo, but with Starfox, Metroid, etc. Lets see what they do!
Bottomline: If they think Mario and casual/non-gamers stuff can save them, they are blind! And if they think people will buy a Wii u just because it has so many overpriced download-titles (and there isn't even a proper account system), they are even more blind! If third-party's are concerned, Retail titles should be the main-course instead of download titles!!
I do. Because Nintendo's never really depended on mass 3rd party support. I mean, just because 3rd party support is present and available on the system, doesn't mean it's doing squat to sell the system. Most 3rd party games see poor sales anyways, so it's not really that huge a setback. You look at any top 20 list of software sold on a Nintendo platform, and you'll MAYBE find one or two 3rd party games in there. Goes to show what's REALLY selling their consoles, and it ain't 3rd party.
Granted, even the Wii U is not completely without 3rd party support. It's without the gritty AAA multiplats sure, but so was N64, Gamecube and Wii. The 3rd party games the Wii U gets are ones that actually matter- the exclusives and the more colorful multiplats. Games like Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (and MH4U soon), Wonderful 101 (2nd party, but whatever), Lego City Undercover (and LEGO multiplats), Bayonetta 2, Sonic Lost World and Sonic Boom, Sonic Racing Transformed, Rayman Legends, Hyrule Warriors (developed by TK). These are the 3rd party games that matter on a Nintendo platform.
Anyone can take a look for themselves and see just how much "mature" 3rd party multiplats DON'T make an impact for Nintendo:
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Yeah but if the Wii U is basically removed from Retail everywhere then they have no reason to not have better pricing for the digital games and use the back catalog more wisely.
(If Nintendo wanted to they could get every bit of money I spend on games at least for a few years. As it stands nearly all of it goes to Valve or PC devs.)
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N64 went five years with little to no third party support and had a good number of that gen's classic games. Nintendo's first party output needs to improve though. Not the quality of the games, but the rate at which they come out.
I think this years E3 will either make or break the wii u if nintendo blows everyone's minds at this year's E3 then yes it will last 5 years if they don't we may see a new console announcement within the next 2 years. the 3ds on the other hand based on current sales may have up to an 8 year life cycle like the DS.
N64 went five years with little to no third party support and had a good number of that gen's classic games. Nintendo's first party output needs to improve though. Not the quality of the games, but the rate at which they come out.
The Nintendo 64 actually had fewer titles in comparison to the current state of the Wii U's third party library, but I think most would agree that the 64 titles were of a higher calibre.....instead of 10 dollar Eshop titles, you had Turok and Extreme G by Acclaim, NFL Blitz and San Francisco Rush by Midway, or Rogue Squadron by LucasArts.......or other hidden gems like Battle Tanx.
But besides that, I agree, the quality for Nintendo titles is great, but they need more.....
No, that won't happen. Simply because the Wii u won't pick up much (or Hyrule warriors and NFC may do a miracle), and Nintendo already said their succesor may be 2 years of. So by the end of 2016 there may be a new device!
...Iwata said they continue the Wii u untill the current owners are satisfied. Wich means they have lost hope to attract a bigger audience, but at the same time could mean some great games are coming.
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The possibilities are obviously that either the WiiU picks up steam and is supported for longer than the doomsayers suggest, or it never really gains traction and is replaced in the next 2-3 years.
What I'm curious to know is where that'll leave the other fans like me who will be picking up the console now with the MK8 bundle and what those consumers will choose to do. What I mean is that I wouldn't be angry with Nintendo if their next console came out Christmas 2016 but it would mean that I wouldn't be picking up any new hardware right away after only having had the U for two and a half years.
Will other people not feel the need to buy whatever they put out right away? Will they understand they bought into a console halfway into its lifecycle (which they should, imo)? How will they feel and what will they choose to do (and does any of what I said matter )?
I think there should be a understanding that your possibly buying into the half way point of a struggling consoles life cycle, although given the quality of Nintendo titles already on the system, with MK8, you are getting your money's worth. If your just buying a Wii U now though, your probably not a candidate as an early launch customer, throw some caveats at that though.
The Wii U is in a curious position right now, being held together by stellar AAA Nintendo titles on one side, and an array of mediocre and cheap indie titles on the other. Given that Activision and Ubisoft (the last of the large third party supporters) seem to be rolling back support for the Wii U minus the odd title here and there, do you believe that the Wii U has the backbone to last another 3 years in it's current position? Will Nintendo's efforts (with the odd Tecmo, Activision, Ubi, or SEGA title arriving here and there) be enough for the Wii U? Although we have some possible indie gems upcoming, the majority is crap shovelware.
You are overstating the problem. The Wii U is still getting support from Japanese devs. They just have little to no western support from EA, Ubi, or Activision.
But I think Nintendo is going to have to suck it up this gen. I don't see another out that won't cost them billions of dollars. Right now even the Nintendo titles aren't all that stellar. Since Wonderful 101, we've gotten a massive overabundance of platformers following archaic NES era mechanics/controls and a remaster of a decade old game. Really not too special.
What support from Japanese devs? SEGA only works with Nintendo because Sonic titles sell on Nintendo systems, everything else they release goes to Sony or Microsoft platforms, with the majority of it skipping the Wii and Wii U post 2010. Tecmo also skips Nintendo for the most part, unless Nintendo wants them to develop a game that they will publish themselves, same goes for Platinum Games. Capcom, Namco, and Konami more or less ignore Nintendo home consoles outright.
I could be an early launch customer. (And I was for the N64 (Which I imported) and Dreamcast).
I got the Gamecube within the first 6 months I think. And the SNES when Streetfighter 2 Turbo came out.
(Make something I really want and I will get it pretty quickly).
I didn't get a Wii until Donkey Kong Country Returns came out. (Then I got a US one relatively recently).
Still probably too early for the Wii U for me but I think any price cut will be offset by the free download so that is why I got it. Not really because I think there is enough more that I might as well. (If I had waited until now to get the 3DS I would have loads less rubbish I don't even want).
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If there is a hardware maker that can survive mostly on 1st party to even 2nd party included.
It's Nintendo.
Sony couldn't and Microsoft definitely couldn't. That being said Nintendo struggles to do so right now for wii u.
This is why Iwata talked about merging home console and handheld into one software stream line. It's risky since you are eliminating one of the 2 software money makers but regardless Iwata seemed to imply highly that the handheld and home consoles would be still separate but still managed to be linked.
I suppose you can use the new handheld like a controller link.
Kind of like what Vita is doing for PS4 in remote play but even much better.
If you combine 3ds and Wii U, even the casual customer wouldn't see a drought. This is why Nintendo is doing it. They have it difficult in supporting two platforms by themselves then again others can't either.
Wii U will go on as much Nintendo needs it to go one. Personally I rather they wait after MS or Sony release something but circumstances aren't favoring them the best right now.
The new handheld has to be something changing due to the smartphone era.
Everyone has to keep this is mind.
Nintendo only has 5000 employees. Me thinks they are somewhat understaffed to some degree. Compare Nintendo size to other software publishers.
Yeah they can survive it and 3rd party support will slowly get better over time, too. Its all about the QUALITY of the games, too.
Why do you think third party support will get better? As developers make games that are tailored for the PS4 and XBO, the hardware gap will be too large, etc. that's ignoring the fact that most third parties have already jumped ship regardless of the fact that they are still releasing games for the 7th gen f(or the PS3 and 360).
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