The WiiU may seem like it'll be "toughing it out" for the next few years if things don't change much, but I'm sure everything will be okay. If there isn't much 3rd party support, Nintendo should focus on partnerships similar to Hyrule Warriors and Sega's three game deal.
I do think that giving Nintendo IP's to non-traditional developers (like Hyrule Warriors and Tecmo) could spell success.......it's not a 100% answer, but as long as Nintendo maintains some quality assurance, such titles will probably sell well and I don't think most third party developers will shy away from such offers.
Plus it maintains positive relations with the devs they entrust their IP to. Obviously Nintendo shouldn't have to do this to stay in the good books of 3rd parties but anything they can do to help ease the burden of supporting the U themselves will help them.
They just need somebody to sort it out with charisma. Howard Lincoln managed to get EA back on board opened Retro and the other American dev that makes such as Mini's on the Move. Got Factor 5/Lucasarts on board. Reggie has the president job he had but hasn't done anything like that at all other than downsize Retro and stop the other one from making retail games.
Agree that Howard Lincoln was the man, Nintendo could really use somebody like him.......Reggie is likeable enough, but he seems out of touch with the current trends in western gaming and more of a yes man for Kyoto.
They certainly don't have enough franchises and eager 3rd parties to do this, so why not? I never cared for most western games anyway
Well the Japanese console industry is declining and face it, Western gaming is far superior IMO. Better graphics and more polished gameplay mechanics.
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western? you mean casual right? lol.
I think he means western, Nintendo's flag is still flying high, but look at Namco........slowly converting all of their core franchises into free to play formats, and what does Konami do besides Metal Gear these days? Most Japanese developers look like a shell of their former selves.
Well it's fallen behind the Gamecube and Nintendo 64 in comparison, and with the popularity of the PS4 and XBO, it does raise a few questions regarding it's ability to satisfy the consumer base for 5 years.
I love my Nintendo AAA titles, but the system is suffering software wise, no doubt about that.
I'd give it one more year before Nintendo calls Wii U and 3DS quits.
Honestly I think that Nintendo would sooner quit the home market then the handheld. For some reason the last few years Nintendo has done alot better with handhelds then home consoles.
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They certainly don't have enough franchises and eager 3rd parties to do this, so why not? I never cared for most western games anyway
Well the Japanese console industry is declining and face it, Western gaming is far superior IMO. Better graphics and more polished gameplay mechanics.
when i think of casual i think of assasins creed and skyrim. no bad but anybody can play them and master them. when i think of core gaming it's always japanese. like darksouls or ikaruga. a casual player will have a very difficult time with these. they may finish darsouls but will never finish ikaruga. what your talking about is autonomy. while this is new for alot of japanese developers i dont see it as defining as their obsession with mastery.
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western? you mean casual right? lol.
I think he means western, Nintendo's flag is still flying high, but look at Namco........slowly converting all of their core franchises into free to play formats, and what does Konami do besides Metal Gear these days? Most Japanese developers look like a shell of their former selves.
The Wii U? Maybe not. It would certainly go down in history as a big Mistep. But I think Nintendo could survive it, so long as they do things drastically different afterwords.
NOA really doesn't have much say and it was why one of the reasons Iwata appointed himself president. Compare the western nintendo branches of the past to what we have today. They had their own gaming sections and even worked on their own to get stuff like Tetris on the gameboy.
Iwata has wiped all of the western Nintendo development branches with the expection of Retro and NST. Even than compare NSTs output from yesteryear to the Mario V donkey long games they churn out now. When Rare left instead of quickly trying to replace them or invest and buy the third party guys they were close with like factor 5 and the Eternal darkness guys they let all their western ambition fall to the wayside.
That ironicly hurt the company greatly since the western upswing.
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It depends on what does and doesn't sell. The consoles best selling games are first party, and it's future major moneymakers are also first party. If they can sell enough units and supply the console with a steady stream of first party games, then the answer is yes.
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They certainly don't have enough franchises and eager 3rd parties to do this, so why not? I never cared for most western games anyway
Well the Japanese console industry is declining and face it, Western gaming is far superior IMO. Better graphics and more polished gameplay mechanics.
when i think of casual i think of assasins creed and skyrim. no bad but anybody can play them and master them. when i think of core gaming it's always japanese. like darksouls or ikaruga. a casual player will have a very difficult time with these. they may finish darsouls but will never finish ikaruga. what your talking about is autonomy. while this is new for alot of japanese developers i dont see it as defining as their obsession with mastery.
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western? you mean casual right? lol.
I think he means western, Nintendo's flag is still flying high, but look at Namco........slowly converting all of their core franchises into free to play formats, and what does Konami do besides Metal Gear these days? Most Japanese developers look like a shell of their former selves.
Problem is, the whole industry is declining - we have loads of shooters, annual releases, getting less and less creative (even with moeny grabbing), 8/16-bit indie rehashes, new gen rehashes, it starts to look like Japan obsession with FF8 clones.
Also, it is not fair to compare Japan to western actually - Japan is one country, with western you have pretty much everything else
It's all about the money and not making the great game itself, that's the problem.
U will survive, because why not? I am more than happy with it
It depends on what does and doesn't sell. The consoles best selling games are first party, and it's future major moneymakers are also first party. If they can sell enough units and supply the console with a steady stream of first party games, then the answer is yes.
The question though is if Nintendo has the resources, you need at least one decent AAA title every two months or so......remember DKC: Tropical Freeze was finished and ready to ship last fall, Nintendo purposely delayed the release to Q1 of 2014 because they knew they had literally no big titles lined up for the first half of 2014, bar Mario Kart 8.
1) First, the market is MUCH different then it was during the gamecube era, so stop making these invalid comparisons!
This does not mean the situation isn't "bad" or whatever...just saying that the comparisons are little more then curious speculation.
2) Nintendo still has some of the biggest franchises and most polished gameplay mechanics (sorry @memoryman3)
3) I'm happy with my Wii U and 3DS...I also have a pretty beefy gaming PC. I think most modern gamers have multiple consoles and mobile devices.
4) Ultimately - Yes. Nintendo needs to work on some problems and change some of their practices, but there is no reason for them to abandon a console now. It may only be a 5 year console, but if the quality of first party games remains high, and they try new thing, I think they can weather the storm.
5) Trends are cyclical and fads go in and out. As this generation of kids gets older and spends less time gaming, the next one might reject the military shooters and takes-themselves -too-seriously cinematic experiences (Lookin' at you David Cage!) in favor of more colorful and light hearted fare...or soemthing completely different.
They certainly don't have enough franchises and eager 3rd parties to do this, so why not? I never cared for most western games anyway
Well the Japanese console industry is declining and face it, Western gaming is far superior IMO. Better graphics and more polished gameplay mechanics.
when i think of casual i think of assasins creed and skyrim. no bad but anybody can play them and master them. when i think of core gaming it's always japanese. like darksouls or ikaruga. a casual player will have a very difficult time with these. they may finish darsouls but will never finish ikaruga. what your talking about is autonomy. while this is new for alot of japanese developers i dont see it as defining as their obsession with mastery.
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western? you mean casual right? lol.
I think he means western, Nintendo's flag is still flying high, but look at Namco........slowly converting all of their core franchises into free to play formats, and what does Konami do besides Metal Gear these days? Most Japanese developers look like a shell of their former selves.
Problem is, the whole industry is declining - we have loads of shooters, annual releases, getting less and less creative (even with moeny grabbing), 8/16-bit indie rehashes, new gen rehashes, it starts to look like Japan obsession with FF8 clones.
Also, it is not fair to compare Japan to western actually - Japan is one country, with western you have pretty much everything else
It's all about the money and not making the great game itself, that's the problem.
U will survive, because why not? I am more than happy with it
Industry is actually the highest it's ever been. It's a lot more mainstream and popular. It's a million dollar industry that is very diverse.
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It depends on what does and doesn't sell. The consoles best selling games are first party, and it's future major moneymakers are also first party. If they can sell enough units and supply the console with a steady stream of first party games, then the answer is yes.
The question though is if Nintendo has the resources, you need at least one decent AAA title every two months or so......remember DKC: Tropical Freeze was finished and ready to ship last fall, Nintendo purposely delayed the release to Q1 of 2014 because they knew they had literally no big titles lined up for the first half of 2014, bar Mario Kart 8.
They waited to ship DKCTF!? I never knew. They really need to use their money to hire more developers for first party. It shouldn't take them this long if they have the money to make it go faster.
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I agree that gaming in general is more popular than ever, it's generally accepted that the average teen or 20 some year old male plays video games of one kind or the other. Most of the 30 year olds I know still game if they have the time, and as said, the industry is so multi-faceted, it's not just consoles, but also the PC and mobile......it's boys and girls, young and old.
It depends on what does and doesn't sell. The consoles best selling games are first party, and it's future major moneymakers are also first party. If they can sell enough units and supply the console with a steady stream of first party games, then the answer is yes.
The question though is if Nintendo has the resources, you need at least one decent AAA title every two months or so......remember DKC: Tropical Freeze was finished and ready to ship last fall, Nintendo purposely delayed the release to Q1 of 2014 because they knew they had literally no big titles lined up for the first half of 2014, bar Mario Kart 8.
They waited to ship DKCTF!? I never knew. They really need to use their money to hire more developers for first party. It shouldn't take them this long if they have the money to make it go faster.
Tropical Freeze was originally slated for Nov of 2013, and Retro had confirmed the game was finished. During one of the VC's on IGN, that German-American editor who helped found IGN, said that Retro employees told him that Tropical Freeze was pushed to the right despite completion so Nintendo could cover down on the barren first half of 2014. It's happened before and you can't fault them......2014 would have looked horrid without at least something for Q1 and Q2....
1) First, the market is MUCH different then it was during the gamecube era, so stop making these invalid comparisons!
This does not mean the situation isn't "bad" or whatever...just saying that the comparisons are little more then curious speculation.
2) Nintendo still has some of the biggest franchises and most polished gameplay mechanics
3) I'm happy with my Wii U and 3DS...I also have a pretty beefy gaming PC. I think most modern gamers have multiple consoles and mobile devices.
4) Ultimately - Yes. Nintendo needs to work on some problems and change some of their practices, but there is no reason for them to abandon a console now. It may only be a 5 year console, but if the quality of first party games remains high, and they try new thing, I think they can weather the storm.
5) Trends are cyclical and fads go in and out. As this generation of kids gets older and spends less time gaming, the next one might reject the military shooters and takes-themselves -too-seriously cinematic experiences (Lookin' at you David Cage!) in favor of more colorful and light hearted fare...or soemthing completely different.
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