Topic: Battling the anti-Nintendo tide.

That just prooves my point though. Microsoft and Sony reacted to Nintendo and chased the market Nintendo had captured. To much less success.

So not only did Nintendo not attempt to compete with Microsoft and Sony, from the outset, they were so succesful that Microsoft and Sony were forced changed their course

Ughhhhhhh, I hate these threads. No matter what the intention of the OP is, they always end up as pointless bickering.

I think Nintendo releasing the Wii Mini and killing support for the console was a huge mistake. I think if Nintendo would have just $99 the orginal Wii Model and oushed it as a Roku box that can play classic games it would have still had a bit of life left.

Not really sure what to say about the PS4 but Nintendo has been doing things o build momentum from the platform. I'm wondering when the next major Nintendo DIfrect will be.

I'd think that they would hit 6 million- if it's true that the Zelda bundle saw a spike to 45k per week. Donkey Kong, Mario Kart and Smash Bros will be huge sellers. If sales are still bad, they could further cut the price. I would think that the cost of components would be lower nearly two years after its release.

On a sidenote: I've always wonderee how many copies Big N has to sell of their own games to break even, anybody got a clue? Of course it will differ due to different size of teams ans the time in developing but ballpark-figures?

I meant 6 million more consoles, not 6 million total.

The vast majority want Nintendo to fail, but that would actually be disastrous for all involved.

On a reverse note, I'd love nothing more then for Microsoft to burn and crash out of the gaming industry, but my logical brain (something many fanboys of all factions seem to be lacking) knows that such an event wouldn't be such a good thing overall. Or would it?

it depends, if MS went for PC gaming exclusively the fall of XBox would mean less cost for them, only XB fans would lose having to buy expensive gaming PCs. so it wouldn't be such a bad idea. but if MS drops completely from gaming it might not be that good, I guess.

I think I read in an interview last summer (with someone at Nintendo or Intelligent Systems) that for a Fire Emblem game to come out on the Wii-U and be profitable, it would have to sell at least 700,000 copies. So I think it's safe to say that for a first-party game to be considered a 'success' at this point on the Wii-U, it would need to sell around a million copies.

These threads seem to really end up in pointless name calling and bickering as someone said before already.

Nintendo is in deep troubles with Wii U, 3DS is doing fine and there they seem to have a clear strategy and it's working. People are buying and developers are making lots of cool and awesome games for it. Two years in the market and around 200 games already released.

There are of course still some issues with 3DS how it should be made a better experience especially on the eShop side, but that's mainly because Nintendo still doesn't really get how online and online shopping should be done. It was a pain to operate and buy stuff from the Wii eShop, but 3DS is leaps better. I love the fact that you don't need to buy some fixed sum of money like 5€ 10€ 15€ 20€, instead you can just buy the amount of money that a game is worth in the shop. That's great business.

What in 3DS should be done better is the overall experience, make more demos for the big cartridge games available, there are at the moment in Europe about 30-40 demos, but then in my opinion there should be all the 200. Also downloadable eShop games should have demos, there are not that many demos for those at the moment.

3DS is also really disappointing in the fact that it has region locking. There are still too many times when a game is released only in USA, but then not in Europe or the other way around. The same of course for Japanese games, not that many people want to buy Japan region games, but it's a big issue for those who do want it and there should be the option, no oceans, no walls, just one open community and experience for all Nintendo users.

Then again about Wii U, the console was a bit too expensive in the beginning and still is in many regions in Europe even though the price cut was supposed to happen a month ago (in Finland most shops still sell it at 379€, only a few great ones have it at 299€). I hate the fact that Nintendo's presence in Europe is really vague and invisible. There should be one Nintendo taking care of all things in Europe and really opening the Club Nintendo properly for all countries. For example in Northern Europe in the Nordic countries Berggsala AB is the one responsible for selling Nintendo products and they just don't care at all. They have no presence whatsoever here and no ads either.

During the launch I did see some ads, even on tv. Now a year since release there just is no mention whatsoever about Wii U around here, shops don't even have proper Wii U stands anymore and games are way overpriced.

Wii U seems fun, I have tested it several times, I don't own it myself at least not yet. I have seen that the menu feels similar to 3DS so that's good, there should be a combined interface that all users feel familiar that hey this is Nintendo platform.

They should make the Wii U region free, that is a big sales point that Sony's consoles and even Microsoft's have over Nintendo.

Also they need to unify the Nintendo ID so that 3DS and Wii U really share the same ID and it's not locked to a console and instead you can have a real and easy setup as with the competitor consoles. I hope this is happening soon, at least Nintendo was hinting about it that this should be fixed before the end of the year.

Nintendo doesn't have that many games that really pull people to buy their Wii U console and the games.They do have some of the most fun games that are in the market and it really is a family console instead of a console for just nerds or teenagers craving for "blood, cursing, x-rated" etc blaa blaa blaa, you know the cliches. And I love the fact that Nintendo keeps going their own way.

They have a lot of problems that they need to fix. One is their overall presence in the market. They need to really kick in to high gear with the hyping and marketing. General public needs to realize that Wii U is not an add on to Wii, it's a genuine next gen console. They will have troubles selling the console as games continue to be pushed back, but next year is looking highly interesting.

Bayonetta 2 and X will be great, so will Smash Brosh, but none of those will sell millions with the exception of Smash Bros maybe, if the online is done well.

Online experiences are important in the modern times, people love to play games online co-op and competitively in multiplayer. I myself don't care about online games and don't have time for those. The only games I could maybe play online are Doom and Quake, but that's about it. But I do understand that the general public loves online and that is something Nintendo just needs to understand and quickly.

3rd party support is very small with Nintendo and that is a shame, it is a big problem for Nintendo as most of the third party games were horrible old ports of games done over a year before on other platforms. They need to reignite the friendship between the 3rd party devs somehow.

If the problems are not fixed, Wii U will end up like Gamecube, a great console but distant third in the marathon for it's generation.

And hey, enough with the doom and gloom, even if Wii U ends up failing, Nintendo is not going anywhere. We have got entertainment from them for 124 years now and will continue to do so for decades in to the future. They will just come back with another idea in the next generation.

The best thing for Nintendo to do is to keep doing what they do now. I'm just thinking this way because I heard the same song and notes with the 3ds (and ps vita), so it's nothing new. Plus currently they're having similar sales and promotion so that makes for good bait.

Btw most of the post here sounds like something that coming out of an investors board meeting, all we need is a graph for sales.

I hope those internet forum business degrees are paying your bills properly children

The only thing that will stop the "anti-Nintendo-tide" is for Nintendo to completely conform to what everyone else in the industry is doing as well as making games that are so superior to their rivals that nobody cares about their rivals' games.

@MadAussieBloke with all the potential games industry analysts that exist on these forums, you'd think the Nintendo fans would be rich enough to buy 2 Wii Us each and sort out the sales figures problems.

@Nintenjoe64 And this is when my golden shower strategy should come into play

Having only 2 consoles will only hurt the consumers. A lot. Also, MS basicly does no longer support PC games that much, (They really dont want it to outpeform the Xbox) and nobody used or liked GFWL. MS completely giving up Xbox will most likeky do the same as MS quitting game industry entirely.

trying to stop the anti-Nintendo tide is a bit like trying to stop school bullying - it's not going to happen as long as there are so many idiots in the industry. Luckily though, it seems like something that worries the users more than Nintendo itself, so I'm sure they'll continue to do their thing even if the whole West is against them. The best thing you can do is just to support the games you like, praise them in public and invite your friends at your place to play the games.

I want a golden shower!

Er... wait.

And like school bullying, it's made worse by the Internet. But that right there is the best thing we can do (or at least that's what I always do). Also inform people who don't know much about the system, but only if they ask.

And with that said, where's that golden shower I hear so much about a second ago

Wii U hasn't done well but no one can predict the future. They've had their bad moments before but they've always made a comeback. They made a console that didn't sell (Virtual Boy), GameCube wasn't as great success as their previous consoles and 3DS had a slow start. They can afford some mistakes. As long as they don't make multiple consoles in a row that all have struggle (like Sega did) I don't see them giving up.