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@Ensemen when did I compare it to slavery? I was pointing out that morality is not the same as legality.

@janpampoen Thank you for making this point. I can't believe how many people have the mindset that legality equals morality.

There used to be segregation laws in many states. Slavery used to be perfectly legal ffs. And there are still many places where you can be put in jail for consuming (or just being in possession of) a plant.

@DockEllisD @TheDragonDAFan Some even comparing it to breaking and entering or murder!

@darthstuey That's weird. Sorry to hear that

@twztid13 A family group for switch online is incredibly easy to set up and I have not found any restrictions on it. All you need to do is add the email addresses associated with each Nintendo account that you want included in the family group. Each member receives an email with a link to confirm, and once they confirm, they have access to all the online services. That's it. It really is a super cheap way to get the service.

If you have different accounts on the same switch, each one needs to be in the family group to have online access, but that shouldn't be much of a problem for most people.

@TheDragonDAFan Yeah, what gives Larry?

Yamauchi's comments about people not being interested in cutting edge technologies may certainly appear out of touch, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that it's precisely because of this philosophy that I've always generally preferred Nintendo over other big developers. The focus has always been about creating well crafted games and fun experiences.

It is odd though that someone at the helm of one of the most successful video game companies of all time apparently had zero personal interest in them. Although I thought I'd heard that was also the case with the last interim president.

Oh, and am I the only one who found his comments on jrpg players hilarious? The man was ruthless.

@SuperZeldaMaker I've enjoyed every MH, but generations ultimate is definitely my favorite now. The variety of play styles and amount of content is just incredible. I haven't played MH world though since I've always been a Nintendo only gamer, since they have the most exclusives that appeal to me and my time and budget are limited. I'm glad to get a chance to experience some games like Dark Souls now on Switch.

@TheMadPolarBear You should be able to get MH3U super cheap by now, if you want to try it out. The game mechanics are the same as generations, which just builds on that. Cross platform play locally between wii u and 3ds was awesome!

@SuperZeldaMaker ah, that makes sense. Much like the MH demos, which just throw you into the deep end with no explanation.

@TheMadPolarBear Well, if you ever feel like giving MH another chance, I highly recommend MH generations ultimate. If you're looking for story, you will feel let down, but in terms of gameplay and enemy variety, it is absolutely massive, and playing it on the switch feels fantastic.

@SuperZeldaMaker @TheMadPolarBear Thanks so much for the advice! I will play around with it some more and see if I can get the hang of it. This is the kind of info I need. I'm sure the game explains it somewhere, but in game tutorials for complicated games like this often feel overwhelming with so much information being thrown at you. (Again, very similar to MH. I think MH is best learned by having an experienced player show you the ropes.)

I think this network test isn't the best way to experience the game for the first time, since the times are fairly restricted.

@SamuraiPanda I guess no one at Nintendo Life is a MH fan.

@1UP_MARIO I've been working my way through Twilight Princess again too. One of my favorite Zelda games! Since I caved and got switch online cheap through a family group, I decided to revisit the original Zelda. It's been probably almost ten years since I last played through it. The world and level design totally holds up despite the primitive graphics. The foundation is there, the essence of a Zelda game.

What's really frustrating are the controls. I think if you could just move diagonally this game would be so much more enjoyable and would be a timeless classic! As it is it's completely overshadowed by Link to the Past and every other mainline Zelda game since.

@TheMadPolarBear Thanks for your reply. It seems that you feel about Dark Souls the way I do about Monster Hunter. It's a also a game that rewards patience, observation and responding to attack patterns, but a lot of people get frustrated early on and are quick to give up on it. So I totally get what you're saying.

When I first tried the demo for Monster hunter 3U I hated it, and I've seen many other people say the same thing. Now Monster Hunter is one of my favorite series.

I really think Dark Souls should be my type of game, but after we'll over an hour of playing, I couldn't seem to get a feel for the movement at all. With MH it clicked with me when I realized that in order to move quickly you have to sheathe your weapon, so it's a matter of knowing when to draw your weapon and go in for the attack based on the enemy patterns. (And I do tend to prefer the smaller weapons which let you move fairly quickly even with your weapon drawn.)

But I can't find any way to move quickly in DS, and I think that is what is putting me off. Everything feels slow and that is taking away the fun factor for me. I'll give it another try, but I'm still not sure if it's for me. Can you recommend a particular character or weapon type that might suit my play style? I was using a knight. (I think that's what it was called. It was the first option).

@Fake-E-Lee Yeah, I'm not feeling it either. I flounder around, manage to kill a few skeletons, and then just get killed, again and again and again. Every movement feels so sluggish, I just don't see the fun in it.

@electrolite77 Yep. It's mind boggling that in order to get retro games I would want to play on my switch, I would have to hack it because Nintendo does not offer any legal way.

@BenRK hahaha, well, I actually have no idea who you are, but it would indeed be a very small world if that were somehow the case.

@LeFooly @1UP_MARIO I swore I wasn't going to sign up for switch online until it improves, but some friends asked if I wanted to join their family group, and man, that family rate is hard to pass up, so that's how Nintendo got me.

@LeFooly lol

Yeah, the switch is a great system. Maybe that's what's so frustrating about this whole online debacle. The switch has the potential to be so much more than what it currently is but Nintendo apparently doesn't want that.

I've been very critical of this online service, because Nintendo could have done so much better, but I will say this: allowing people to set up family subscriptions with any 7 other people anywhere in the world is actually pretty generous.

@FoxyGlen Just out of curiosity, why doesn't Nintendolife set up the comments section so that replies are posted under the comment being replied to? It might help foster better discussions. I do like this site and visit frequently, but I always find the comments section a little hard to follow.

@Alantor28 wow! Who made you the arbiter of what people are allowed to say on this site? Who elected you the representative of this community, to determine what opinions are acceptable here?

@FoxyGlen Referring to your users comments as manure is rather insulting don't you think? On average I'd say most of the people I see commenting on this site are pretty level headed.

In my experience the most obnoxious attacks I see in these comments sections are usually against anyone who is critical of Nintendo.

@JamesR Ok. Thanks for the reply!

@GravyThief 100% agreed. Nintendo's attitude towards their classic games is so frustrating. A year and a half into the switch life span and this is all we get? I feel like it's just a sad joke at this point. All of their first party games from at least nes to n64 should already be available. I refuse to believe it takes that much work to set this up.

@BubbleMatrix82 I actually don't mind the idea of delivering classic games as part of a subscription service. I just think they could have started with a much better selection of games. Even if it had been 10 nes games and a few snes or gba games, a lot fewer people would be complaining. The service just seems so half assed at the moment.

I'd also like the option to buy the games outright if I want to and play them without any restrictions if I stop paying for the subscription. More options for the consumer is always better.

What I am strongly against is the entire games industry moving towards a subscription model even for new games. I want to be able to buy only the games I choose and be able to play them forever. I don't want to be forced to buy a package of mostly games I don't care about just to get a few games I actually want, and I don't want my games to vanish when the subscription expires or the service is cut off.

@JamesR @Pirlo_ze_sniper
Can either of you, or anyone else here, confirm how this works and that there aren't any unexpected restrictions or issues with the family plan?

@Denoloco @Old-Red Yes, I agree with you. Online should be considered as already included in the price of the console/games.

Having said that I may be a complete hypocrite as some friends of mine are planning to setup a family plan and asked if I want in. Still not sure if I care enough one way or the other. This may be Nintendo's plan to get as many people as possible to sign up, still make a quick buck, then later jack up the price or change the terms of service.

@BubbleMatrix82 do ps and Xbox charge $96 a year for online?

What good service is Nintendo offering for $96 a year?

This $20 service is all they are offering and many here have repeatedly stated that they would pay more for a better service, wider selection of games. The fact that this is all that is being offered a year and a half into the switch's lifespan is very disappointing.

Will it get better? I sure hope so but it's still sad that for now this is the best they can come up with.

@ChameleonBros I don't know, but personally I like to pin the blame on Reggie for every baffling decision Nintendo makes.

@nonprophetmusic I hear you man. I've been trying to make the point that no one has been saying that $20 a year is a lot of money to pay. (And some will apparently be getting it for less than $5, so, good for them.) But the service could have been so much better and I'm very skeptical it ever will get better. (Remember all those people saying mynintendo would get better?)

So in the end this is a cheap cash grab by Nintendo and most people will just go along because it doesn't cost much.

I hope I'm wrong though, and the service does improve, but they've had plenty of time and have plenty of money. They should have started this service off with a bang and offered fans something to really get excited about.

@electrolite77 hahaha, it is a little funny, letting our emotions run so high while arguing with total strangers on internet forums. I've been there!

@BenRK Sounds rough man. I hope you get some rest soon. I always get up at 6 am too no matter what because of work schedule, which sucks when you've had to stay up late.

@BenRK Whoa, chill out dude. I'm just pointing out that people haven't said it will be hard to pay $20, but rather that they are dissatisfied with the service being offered and don't want to pay for it.

I certainly hope that Nintendo does improve its services too. That's all any of us here are hoping for right?

Take care and have a good one.

@SladeStrife No worries. Perhaps this has been enlightening for some, as I see people sometimes throwing terms around when they clearly have no idea what they mean.

hahaha. I hope you get some rest soon.

@SladeStrife Yeah, that's what I just said earlier.

edit: BenRK is pretending that people have said that it would be hard to pay $20. I am pointing out that this is a strawman as no one here said it would be hard to pay $20.

@BenRK "Is it really going to be so hard to pay $20 a year? If I was homeless and without a job I'd still be able to manage $20 a year. Is it really that hard to get an internet connection where you live? Well then that's not really Nintendo's fault and you probably wouldn't be using the service anyway."

Here is another strawman posted by you, as I have not seen one person on here who said that it would be hard to pay $20 a year. I have consistently seen people say that they are not happy with the services being offered.

@BenRK "OH NO! How dare they? The Nintendo Online crap is crappier then ever cause now KIDS DON'T HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY FORNITE! Or something."

What you posted here, for example, is a strawman.

@BenRK You clearly have no idea what the term strawman means, so I will explain it to you. A strawman argument is when you misrepresent the other side of an argument, claiming that they said some particular point, when in fact they did not say any such thing. It is attacking a "strawman" instead of addressing the actual point made by the other person. You respond to your own distortion of what they said, and then act like you have refuted them.

@SladeStrife OK. Thanks

Edit: I asked subpopz also before seeing your response.

And if it is true that there won't be any other restrictions on the family membership then that's great!

@subpopz Has Nintendo confirmed how the family membership will work? I genuinely want to know because I have not heard any clarification on this.

@MichaelHarvey Yeah, these comment sections have gotten rather toxic. Ironically it seems that the people defending Nintendo have been the most vitriolic, lashing at anyone expressing disappointment.

I just hope that everyone votes with their wallet, that everyone who isn't satisfied with what is being offered actually does not sign up for it.

@SladeStrife Has it been confirmed how the family membership will work? Will you really be able to split the cost with any 7 people on 7 different consoles? I genuinely want to know if Nintendo has clarified this because I haven't heard anything yet.

@electrolite77 yeah, I don't get what they think they are proving with ridiculous hyperbolic strawman comments like that.

@Masurao you're right. Nintendo should have probably started charging for online a long time ago. They also should have set up a decent online infrastructure and offered a service that fans would be happy to pay for rather than what they are offering (unreliable p2p, cloud saves that do not work for several high profile games, nes games that most people couldn't care less about, ridiculously convoluted voice chat).

@Razer $20 a year for a wide range of retro games from different systems I would consider more than reasonable. If they wanted to get fans excited about the service, it's what they should have offered right off the bat. But knowing Nintendo, if they do add games from other systems they'll jack up the price considerably or introduce tiered pricing with access to other systems costing a lot more.

@Razer Yeah. I think the lack of any alternative for save backups is what bothers me the most. To not be able to keep save backups except by continuing to pay just feels horribly anti-consumer.

@Razer now that I think about it, I can't believe it took them this long to roll out the paid online. Seriously, how did it take them a year and a half to set up such a barebones service that's barely more than what was already there.

@Razer yeah, you're probably right. There's no risk for Nintendo. The only risk for them is possible damage to their brand image, which is very hard to calculate and put a price on.

But yeah, people who like their games will still buy them even if they aren't happy about the online service. So it's free money for Nintendo.

I hope there will be enough people refusing to buy into it so Nintendo scraps it or offers something better, but I suspect that a lot of people will just pay up, even if they do so begrudgingly.