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@3rdParty I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but do you not understand what I meant when I said "artificially limited" ?

If you "need" to swing the JoyCons it, is only because Nintendo artificially limited your input options. My point was, the game is playable in it's entirety without the need to Swing a JoyCon. Handheld supports the exact same control scheme, with the same button layout, as the pro controller. So there is no feature or technology that is specific to the JoyCon that is required to complete the game. If you are going to support handheld mode with JoyCons attached, there isn't a good reason to omit pro-controller support.

@3rdParty You're just conveniently ignoring half of my posts, and being stubborn for the sake of it. I never said Nintendo "Had to" make Mario Party that way. Of course it was a choice. I simply said I am perfectly fine with it when they make that choice if they believe it adds to the game in some way. For the case of Mario Party, you can make heavy use of the JoyCon and touch screen for minigames.

That is not the case for Let's Go. You do not "need" to swing the Joy-Cons for any specific gameplay mechanic, and this has been addressed multiple times in the past. You can play entirely handheld, with the controllers attached, using button presses and gyro controls, making it functionally identical to using a pro controller. If you can play it with traditional controls handheld, there's absolutely no good reason to not also support the pro-controller - which is the only point I've tried to make.

@3rdParty Once again, irrelevant - you're not even attempting to address the crux of the issue. You are not being forced to learn to play a new way. You can play the exact same way, with the exact same control scheme, on the exact same button layout. You're just forced to use a specific controller. There are no JoyCon specific features required.

It's a completely different scenario to Super Mario Party, in which the JoyCon's functionality is heavily used for minigames. The touchscreen is as well for certain game modes. Not at all comparable to a game that is fully playable in handheld mode using the same button configuration as the pro controller.

EDIT: And as I said, I'm all for limiting the control schemes where needed. I have no issues with Super Mario Party. That's why I said "artificially" limiting choice. If there is a technical or gameplay requirement to limit input options, by all means, go ahead - but the fact that the game can be played handheld completely eliminates any argument against supporting a pro controller.

@3rdParty Which is absolutely and completely irrelevant to anything I have said throughout this thread. I'm all for weird and interesting gameplay mechanics. I'm all for JoyCon only control schemes if required. I'm all for touchscreen only control schemes if required. That's absolutely not the case here.

So again - list a single reason, even a bad one - as to why this game should not support the pro controller when it supports the exact same button configuration in handheld, and I'll concede. There's just no reason to limit player choice on this one. You mentioned they are "Clearly trying to sell to game to a mass market..." You don't accomplish that by artificially limiting the types of controllers that can be used. Once again, I'll be playing handheld, so I'm not really bothered, but that doesn't mean I think limiting choice is a good thing.

@carlos82 Not having and maintaining many controllers is a fairly valid excuse. Call me lazy (I won't argue) but I hate removing the joycons from my system. They are permanently attached while handheld or docked. They can also be a pain to charge if you don't have the charging grip. I don't want to bother with maintaining yet another set of controllers, when I've already got a couple pro controllers sitting around specifically for TV use.

And to be clear, I am with you in that I don't think that issue alone would prevent me from buying this. As stated previously, I play primarily handheld. However, it is definitely an inconvenience, and this issue has stopped me from purchasing other games that I was more on the fence about.

@Scottwood101 Because other people prefer the Pro-Controller and find it more comfortable? Perhaps @carlos82 uses the pro controller for most of his other games, and doesn't want to bother with fishing out his joycons, detaching from the system, keeping more controllers charged, etc... I also get drastically reduced range on my JoyCon compared to the pro controller.

Seriously, I just don't get this attitude at all, and it's not just you - several people have posted saying something similar. Once again, I play 90% handheld, so I have no real issues with the JoyCon while handheld, but why would I ever choose them over a pro-controller while playing on TV? How does providing an additional option hurt anyone else?

No one has, nor can they, give a single reason for why pro controller support shouldn't be included. It has the same button configuration as the JoyCon handheld, so of course it should be supported. If it's not a big deal to you or me, that's fine - but let's not act as if the game is somehow better this way and/or that no one else should prefer to use the Pro Controller.

@3rdParty "Because it's Nintendo" in no way answers the question of why. That doesn't give them a free pass on any and all stupid decisions, nor does it negate the fact that this is a stupid decision... which is all I originally stated. I'm not at all "surprised". Further, the part of my post that you quoted was in direct response to another user that for some reason seemed to think it was better this way.

@Skalgrim What kind of goofy response is that? No one is complaining about the Switch's ability to be played as a handheld and as a home system both. But if the game can be played handheld, why on Earth would you not want the game playable on a pro controller, when they've got the exact same button configuration? It should be painfully obvious why some would find that disappointing - and I say that as someone that plays 90% handheld.

@carlos82 It really is a stupid decision. Any game that can be played on the JoyCon, should be playable with the Pro Controller. It makes no sense not to support it.

Luckily for me, I primarily play handheld - but I also play on the TV with my pro controller occasionally, so it is still disappointing.

6 hour battery life, and no USB-C in 2019, is a no buy from me. I really don't get why every device does not use a type C port at this point. It's backwards compatible, you can still ship with a C to A cable if they are really worried about compatibility, and it adds no cost.

@aaronsullivan @Nemodius I'm not sure it's horribly important the specific number, to be honest. At even 100-250ms, it would be very apparent to many users. If I recall correctly, the broadcast industry says about ~50ms is "acceptable" for audio/video sync issue. I don't honestly know at what point it bothers me - just that I've yet to find a bluetooth solution that worked for me for anything but music/podcasts, so I've stuck to wired for now w/Switch.

From what I've read, aptx is ~32ms of latency. The Audeze Mobius supports aptx (Which I own) but I've noticed pretty terrible delay on my PC. I've not yet tested enough to know if they're connected via aptx or how to force aptx codec, so there is a chance it is my bluetooth receiver/connection mode that is the culprit in that case. All that to say, I know they're supposed to be low latency, but it's still bothersome enough for me to primarily use the wired on my PC.

@Nemodius There's no defensiveness here whatsoever. I made it very clear that I personally do not use either of the solutions I was comparing, as I think they both have issues that make them unusable for me, and I specifically said at the end that I used wired headphones. Again, the length of the post has nothing to do with anything, I simply provided more technical details for other to consider when comparing USB vs AUX options, because they do vary greatly in how they implement wireless audio. I think you did a fine job of explaining your preference, I have no issues with anything, apart from post 36 where you implied people were insulted/defensive, which was definitely not the case. That was my point in post 39/43. I'm not upset with what you posted, I don't think you were in the wrong, and I think you explained preference just fine... You did however specifically ask if it was a big deal to some people, so I let you know that yes, it is a big deal to me. We're both just sharing different perspectives and experiences with the technology. For you, latency doesn't seem to be an issue. For me, it's a huge issue. That doesn't make either stance invalid, and some people will definitely choose the convenience of wireless for a bit of added latency. Differing preferences should not immediately be considered hostile.

@Nemodius In neither of the responses were we being defensive, or aggressive in any way. That's my point - there wasn't an issue until you decided to make one. You asked if latency was a big deal to people in your first post, and I replied. Nothing to get upset are argue about there. If it doesn't bother you, that's awesome. I wish it didn't bother me, that's for sure.

If you read my first response, I specifically call out how I am extremely sensitive to audio/video delay, which may not be the case for everyone. I elaborated a bit on some technical details on the differences between a USB based solution and an auxiliary adapter, before concluding that I personally don't like either for Switch, and I stick to wired headphones for now. Of course that is all opinion based, and I never indicated otherwise. If you're happy with the solution you have, that's great - just trying to give other readers more information and a different perspective.

EDIT: Also, the length of the post has nothing to do with tone, aggressiveness, defensiveness, etc... I simply provided technical details on the differences, and never made a recommendation one way or the other.

@CasNicks It seems clickbait is a term thrown around far too loosely now days. The thumbnail from the homepage doesn't even show him making a crazy face, just the youtube video itself after they've already got your clicks. Second, have you ever seen Alex's videos? The guy's a goofball. I'd say it's fairly genuine, and it makes for some entertaining videos. I'd rather see that than him being overly serious and afraid to laugh or have a bit of fun. To me, that would be disingenuous.

@Nemodius The only one taking anything personally here seems to be you. There were a couple of replies, mine included, that were all polite and simply addressed some of the points you brought up. There was nothing offensive and the posts weren't even being argumentative. Simply addressing some of the pros and cons of each solution.

@Nemodius Yes - that delay is a huge deal to some. Even a quarter of a second is unbearable when we're talking video/audio sync issues.

Also, your post touches on why this device is so expensive, but then proceeds to act as if it's a downside... the reason one might want this device is because it uses the USB port, not AUX. When you use AUX, the adapter has to convert from analogue to digital prior to transmission. You're typically going to see greatly reduced audio quality, in addition to increased latency.

That's not to say this dongle solves those issues, but that is the promise they make, along with other USB-C based dongles like the Genki. Personally, I don't buy it - I have a set of high quality, extremely low latency bluetooth headphones (Audeze Mobius) and I still find myself either plugging them in or reaching for my Sennheiser HD650's due to latency issues. If a higher end, well known audio brand such as Audeze can't get bluetooth latency down to acceptable levels (For me) I highly doubt it's possible with current bluetooth tech/codecs.

EDIT: And to be clear, I'm not saying aux adapters are bad, or that this type of adapter is great, or anything like that. Just pointing out that they are very different. Personally, I used wired headphones for my Switch, but I am admittedly very sensitive to audio/video sync.

@CasNicks And why do they need to be taken seriously? I'm quite fine with a bit of lighthearted goofiness. Alex has always been goofy. Who cares?

@Naoiko Seems like he should be the sole member of the elite 12.

Does anyone actually know what's going on here? Does he just love the game so much he plays simultaneously on 12 accounts? Is he doing different things on each phone?

@johnvboy lol... well that certainly explains much of the confusion =) That is why I thought it was hilarious when you asked "Who made you a moderator". Regardless, no worries, and no offence taken here.

Dang it. This is going to be expensive, but now I feel the urge to mod one of these into a WaveBird.

EDIT: @brunojenso I haven't found anything on it, but I'm wondering if it is switching between Switch and XInput. Most of 8bitdo's controllers support a few different input protocols so that they can be used on a variety of devices.

@nocdaes I would argue Nintendo had to respond that way. Whether they feel that way or not, they are responding to a group that has vocalized that they are offended. Nintendo's only real choice, should they decide to make a choice rather than ignoring it (Which has its own problems) is to apologize to the affected group.

As for sticking up for other people - yes, absolutely. That's a great thing. Like all great things, I think it can be abused. I'm not going to argue that we should ever ignore people in need of help. I am suggesting, that similar to what @rdrunner1178 just said, there are people actively looking for "issues" to make a fuss over, make a name for themselves, feel better about themselves, etc... Regardless of whether this issue stems from that or not, I've yet to see a single person say they were personally offended by this - it's all been posts of people offended on behalf of someone else. That's why I've sided with I don't think is a big deal at all, I think people are grossly over-reacting, but the removal also does not bother me at all and I think Nintendo made the right call. I simply worry for our culture in general where everyone has to walk on eggshells anytime we do anything, because someone will always be offended by something.

@nocdaes Well, let's separate one thing up front in order to answer your question. First, I've already mentioned in this thread that I genuinely believe the vast majority of people "offended" by this are not actually offended, they are simply feigning offense on someone else's behalf. Now, at least for the sake of answering your questions, let's assume that is the case. I'm open to discussing otherwise, I just don't want to get hung up on mine or your personal view of this situation when discussing the business impact.

So, given a hypothetical situation in which there is a ton of backlash of a seemingly miniscule detail, and there is a vast majority of people publicly defaming the game over it - it makes perfect sense to remove the "offensive" content. Even if not a single one of those people were truly offended, you still run the risk of losing sales. Those who believe they are taking a stand on someone else's behalf may decide not to purchase due to the offense.

Another aspect of the situation, is that once it blows up into a situation as large of the current one, is that you run the risk of offending more people by not removing it. For example, someone may not have been offended in the first place, or even noticed that it existed. However, after gaining so much publicity, if Nintendo decided to completely ignore the public outcry, it would be highly likely that a second wave of people that could not have cared less about the initial controversy, would become offended because Nintendo is willingly choosing to ignore others that were offended initially. At least, that would be their perception. Either way, the negative publicity will not be good for business, even if the complaint is completed unfounded.

Sorry to ramble a bit, hope that made it more clear. I used extremes for examples here. To anyone reading this post, read my others before attacking me for positions I don't necessarily hold.

@johnvboy "All this power is going to your head"... by politely requesting people refrain from offensive, political attacks? Hardly seems "power hungry" to me

@Yosheel I genuinely lol'd when he asked who made you the thread moderator. Props to you for a calm and polite response.

@nocdaes Even if no one was genuinely offended, the negative publicity would not be a good thing.

@turntSNACO Nothing further to add. Thanks for the thoughtful, civil discussion.

@Wesbert It's deeper than that. Some people are offended, at other people being offended, on behalf of others who are not offended.

@emaan There's more to the world than North America. Especially since this game wasn't even developed in North America. Further, there WAS racism against Italians in North America. Unless you would also argue you can only be offended once the number of people impacted crosses a certain threshold.

@turntSNACO Again, I don't disagree. That is the stance I try to take as well. For example, I do weigh the black community's outcry far higher than the opinions of some of my friends and family that would say "Racism isn't a big issue" anymore. I don't agree with them, so I understand where you're coming from.

The big difference to me between this, and that situation, is that I've yet to see much, if anything, from the Native American community regarding this. 99% of the complaints are from people feigning offense on someone else's behalf. Of course the gravity of this particular situation is far less than systemic racism against black people in the United States, so my response is very different.

@Ryu_Niiyama I'm not saying caricatures can't be offensive - simply that I think it's fine in many cases. They are stereotypical and reductionist in nature - that's how the art style works. Let's face it - if features/traits of a person weren't exaggerated in a cartoon, 99% of the people would not even recognize what we being references. Exaggerated traits is not inherently offensive. Caricatures exist for every type of person, every race, every nationality, etc... but that does not make them racist. Like any medium, of course they can be used in a racist manner, but there is no way I believe this Game & Watch character as racist.

@Kalmaro This is my biggest complaint, and concern with our culture in general. Again, Nintendo received backlash and they removed what was considered offensive. No issues from me there.

What I do take issue with, is all of the people that pretend to be "offended" on someone else's behalf. 99% of the people posting and stating this is offensive are not offended. They're white knighting for a theoretical someone that they most likely don't even know. That's the culture I'm against. If a group truly is offended, I feel for them, and I'm glad Nintendo took action against it in that case - but that does not seem to apply to any of the responses I've seen so far.

@Tilde I won't argue with you - It is a good thought exercise, and I would like to think we all attempt to empathize with the other side before taking a stance. I would just like to repeat what I said in post 37 - I don't think we need to be directly impacted to be able to speak out on an issue, regardless of what side you fall on with this issue. So even though it seems like we disagree on this being an issue, I respect and agree with your response that we need to consider both sides.

@proof21 Hey genius - it's not a "Total walking contradiction" when I specifically addressed it in my post. Am I proud I served 2 combat tours in Iraq for a cause I no longer believe in? Of course not. Should early 30's me constantly be chained down by what I now believe was a stupid decision when I was 17? Also, of course not. Don't be ridiculous. I was also a registered republican when I was 18. I'm proud that I am not so close minded that I am unable to learn and change my views and opinions based on my life experiences. I've made mistakes. It seems the only difference between me and you, is I have tried to be open and honest about my past behaviors / mistakes and have made adjustments to beliefs and moral convictions.

@SegaBlueSky Tagging you here simply because he responded you to attack me in cowardly fashion without actually directly addressing me... or reading my post, apparently =)

@nofriendo This is a great point as well. Everything is "racist" currently, even when it makes absolutely no sense. I don't think anyone is getting any sort of "Racist" message from this. Sure, you could argue it is a stereotype, but in no way would you ever come to the conclusion that Native Americans are somehow inferior to any other race.

@Ryu_Niiyama I agree with you to an extent. I do think that using Native American's as sport teams mascots could be offensive - especially given that most other teams used animals. I don't think that's what is going on here at all - it's simply a cartoon caricature - I don't really see how that is offensive.

@turntSNACO I'm a white, heterosexual, middle class American. I'm married and have two kids. Served in the Army for 8 years, with two combat deployments. I'm the epitome of stereotypical white privilege in the United States.

I think the founding of our country was an atrocity against native Americans. Despite serving in the army, think police brutality and US war crimes (And warmongering in general) is absolutely despicable. I would considering myself a self-defense only pacifist. I believe our country, and religious institutions in particular, have done severe damage to LGBTQ community with years of hate and prejudice.

All that to say... why on Earth does it matter if he's native or not? I'm sick of our culture acting as if no one has any right to have an opinion on a matter unless they are the demographic affected. I am fully capable of being white, while acknowledging social injustice exists and despising how our country was founded - even though we were pretty much taught in school that we were the "good guys". You don't need to be a Native American to have a stance on the topic.

@Sharks I'm with you, it doesn't hurt anything at all to remove it. So whatever, due to the absurd backlash, I guess I agree they should have removed it. No reason to fight over something so miniscule.

However... I am quite sick of this ridiculous culture where everything is deemed offensive. And worse than that, everything has to be turned into a huge ordeal. How on Earth did something so tiny get blown up to a degree that required Nintendo to make a formal statement and modify their game? It's not necessarily this solo incident that bothers me, but a culmination of many small incidents that have turned into huge ordeals, and I think it sets a bad precedent to cater to the vocal minority on every little issue.

@BensonUii Meh, I'll take a physical release from either of those... so far, I've had decent luck with the standard versions. The limited/special editions sure sell quick though.

For me Rogue Legacy is still the rogue-like platformer/RPG to beat. I know everyone is high on Dead Cells right now, which I think was a great game, but not even close to Rogue Legacy for me. I think I was on NG+7 when I finally quit playing on PC, and made it to NG+4 on Vita.

@ThomasS I'm sure there's workarounds, and it's simple to prescribe what the parent should or should not do. I'm just saying it's pretty clearly a simple fix to hide those things from the kids mode, since they can't buy them anyway, which appears to be the route Ubi is taking. I don't think it's a huge deal one way or the other.

@ThomasS Something tells me you don't have little kids I'm sure the parent did do that, but I also know some kids (Mine aren't 6 yet) wouldn't fully understand, and would either forget why that song wasn't working, or would continue to ask about it over and over. In which case, it would be nice to hide those songs when in the kids mode.

Again, I don't think this is some scandal that we need to burn Ubi for. I know the Internet likes to try to turn everything into a huge deal in hopes of dividing everyone into two neatly divided sides where they subsequently fight to the death. In this case, I think it's just a simple fix on Ubi's side that results in a pretty big quality of life improvements for parents of little kids, which I would imagine is a priority of Ubi's since they included a kids mode in the first place.

@ThomasS It doesn't make a difference if the parent is aware of the subscription or not. It's a simple request to hide those songs from his 6 year old. Being aware of the subscription won't make it any more annoying when your 6 year old pesters you every 5 minutes about a song not working.

EDIT: And seeing as how Ubisoft acknowledged it and promised a fix soon, it's safe to say they agree.

I understand the critique of too much Smash coverage. For a super fan like myself, I don't mind it, but it's also not doing anything to change my mind - I was always going to buy Smash day 1. For the rest of the world, I understand why they would want to see something else. And online that doesn't suck would be awesome =P

For me, I pretty much just want to see Banjo Kazooie confirmed and some sort of single player mode. Otherwise, while I can always appreciate more characters/stages, I've seen enough and don't really need any more. I'd like to see new ways to play the game.

@Frenean Great - so you feel free to do that. And also feel free to think I am just as bad as him, I suppose. You're free to do that.

I can't imagine a world in which people are unable to have a lighthearted joke targeted at someone they disagree with. I can't count the times I've poked fun at myself, my social/religious upbringing, political views, etc... Thankfully, there are plenty of people that disagree with your stance, and have no issues with a bit of lighthearted (And sometimes, not so lighthearted) fun to make a point. If everyone simply ignored everyone they disagreed with, we'd be in a lot of trouble.

@Frenean Once again, the problem is "where these guys went wrong" when it's abundantly clear that one of them in no way "bullied" anyone. You're completely ignoring half of my comment and one of the people you quoted. If you want to argue over whether or not sarcastically calling someone unhinged, complete with a winking/smiley face, is somehow bullying, fine - I get that. I disagree strongly, but I'll accept that. Even so, I find that far less offensive and hate filled than the vast majority of the posts filled with hatred/evil/disgusting comments. Which I also don't find offensive at all - once again, I don't care if people post nonsense. Just be ready to defend it or be the target of a joke or two. It's really not that serious, in this case at least. If you've seen more sever bulling, insulting, or whatever... by all means, go call them out.

@Frenean Considering you're the one that quoted someone that 100% absolutely was not bullying in anyway, of course I used that as the main example -_- You're the one that quoted them, not me.

Nevermind the fact that I didn't ignore the "Unhinged" comment at all. I specifically said it reads to me like a lighthearted poke, given the joking nature of the comment and the winking smiley face and all. So again, if that's you're definition of bullying, you're going to struggle dealing with anyone if life.

Once again, you think the occasional jab clearly in jest, with a winky smiley face and all, is somehow more offensive than constantly berating an entire group that their behavior is PURE EVIL, letting them know how much you hate it, that it's disgusting, etc...? If you want to repeatedly post nonsense, go right ahead - but you have to expect to be challenged or the target of some lighthearted jokes. If you want to play the white knight, at least go find someone that is actually attacking/insulting him.

@Frenean Then go call out those people that are insulting him, not posts that are clearly lighthearted in nature. Targeting a large group of people (Anyone who consumes any sort of violent media) does not somehow make the behavior less offensive than responding to an individual. This is a public comments section/forum. You need to be ready to discuss and have your opinions challenged. If you don't want that, then you shouldn't be posting them in public for all to view in the first place.

Much like I posted in disagreement to your accusation of "Bullying" and you in turn posted in disagreement to me, and the cycle continues... of course, we're both free to ignore each other. But again, it's a public discussion, so you should expect to be challenged publicly - especially if you constantly post the same garbage with extremist language stating how much you hate it, want to destroy it all, it's pure evil, etc...

@Frenean Give me a break. If you think poking fun at him posting the exact same thing every time an article is posted is "bullying" you're going to have a rough life in front of you. And let's be real, which one of these sounds like bullying...

A lighthearted joke: "lol you don’t play shooting games. I would never have guessed."

Or the constant berating of: "I will NEVER play M rated games. Violent games are disgusting and PURE evil. I hate them and will destroy all of them"

I know which of those seems more extreme to me. If you're going to post nonsense like a broken record on repeat, you need to be ready to deal with a little push back. It doesn't mean he's being bullied or that anyone has anything against him as a person.

@Heavyarms55 Sorry, but that's an unacceptable answer. A 24 pack for 8 people? Unless of course, you all bring 24 packs. Then maybe a bit excessive

@BulbasaurusRex Yeah, I'll definitely be keeping my eye on that one. Of course the main issue there, is that most 3rd party controllers quality if fairly abysmal. I'd love for an official option, even if it were just a JoyCon. I actually can't believe Nintendo hasn't released more themed/slightly tweaked JoyCon layouts. It seems like a perfect fit to be able to swap them out at will. I'd definitely buy a DPad version and a GCN layout if made available.

@Heavyarms55 Aw man, those are the best times =) When Smash for Wii U came out, we did a release day Smash session with 8 of us in a space much too small for 8 guys... but it was a blast. Wish I could do that sort of thing more often.

@Anti-Matter Not sure when it happened, but I'm so glad there is a thumbs down button now =) While 4 is my preferred Smash count, having the ability to occasionally have ridiculous 8 player matches is great.

@PurinPuff As a fellow DIYer, I love this. I'm not sure I would ever want one though. For as infrequently as it would get used, I'd rather just have 2 of the official adapters. That, and they're pretty expensive, so it would hurt my soul a little bit to chop them up.

@BladedKnight @Bunkerneath I feel like I understand both sides quite well. I loved the GCN controller, and it was my go to Smash controller even throughout the Wii U's life. Now though, I feel like the Switch Pro controller is finally good enough that I won't be getting out my GCN controller's anymore, except when I have large groups over and need more controllers.

EDIT: I should also mention, that if Nintendo ever decided to put out a Pro controller with a Gamecube face button layout, I would be all over that. I still love the GCN face buttons. I don't need the tiny D-Pad, C-Stick, or Z-Trigger, just the face button layout on a Pro controller would be awesome.

I see most people are supportive of the decision to delay in favor of a quality game. While I almost always agree with that as well, the delays with Wargroove really are becoming a bit ridiculous. It's been one of my most anticipated games for Switch ever since it was announced before the Switch launched. Now it will be coming out close to 2 years later. I'd love to say I will still purchase this game no matter what (I suspect I still will) but now it is also going to be going up against Fire Emblem. I understand the games are very different, but I'm sure there's many people that will have their fill of strategy games from Fire Emblem and pass on this. Unfortunate timing in my opinion.

@BulbasaurusRex That is entirely incorrect and is an extra definition you just made up. There is no minimum or maximum definition for the term. The fact that you even have to quantify full vs partial plagiarism shows that the base term is exactly the same. Plagiarism simply refers to taking one's work and passing it off as your own. Pretty much any dictionary will show you that. If you feel the need to quantify the amount, feel free - but that does not change the meaning of the base term. My original post was simply a lighthearted attempt to poke fun at that fact. I also believe we devalue the term plagiarism by not calling it plagiarism when we see it. It's a serious offense, regardless of the amount. There's no need for a new term based on the amount of plagiarism.

If I walk into a convenience store and steal 2 items and buy 3, is that somehow a lesser offense than if I had just stolen the 2, because I stole my full order instead of partially? Of course not. We can add more details, like full vs partial theft, if you think it makes the story more clear, but that in no way changes the original term's definition.

@BulbasaurusRex In which case, you would be plagiarizing while also including original content. In this case, it is just flat out plagiarizing. Which is exactly what the term means.

Describing it as plagiarism wouldn't be putting it lightly... that's exactly what the term means

Glad to hear that it doesn't seem like the developer or publisher was directly involved though. Hope it doesn't hurt the game or reputation too much.