If only Microsoft would also buy Atari. Then we could finally get REAL Atari collections, since, as everybody knows, the best Atari games were all made by Activision.
It's almost like Nintendo is one of those companies that doesn't value profit over everything, and tries to balance out earnings with quality.
Releasing every single product Nintendo ever made at once, Apple Arcade style would make Nintendo a lot of money today. But what about a year from now, when everybody's tired of playing Super Mario Bros for the 400 billionth time?
But "analysts" only care about what the stock price is right now. What do they care about the future?
@andywitmyer Dude, you do realize that the kill rate for COVID is something like 6X worse than for influenza? That COVID is spreading faster and wider than anyone expected? That even at that "miniscule" 2% kill rate, that's still a possible 140 million dead?
I think it would make more sense to either A) have the NES/SNES Minis (and their successors) connect to an online marketplace and be able to buy more games, or B) come with a cartridge slot to play games that for whatever reason can't be sold.
@CurryPowderKeg79 Personally, I don't feel there's anything unethical about emulating games you already own or games that are no longer on the market (abandonware).
Interestingly, as classic game compliations become more common, it's becoming more of a murky water as to what is and isn't actually abandonware anymore.
"Bigger and Boulder cranks up the surrealism and gameplay to be, well... BIGGER AND BOULDER"
Did you...did you get it? Oh man, ha ha. Bigger and BOULDER, see, because it's about rocks. You get it, right? It's sort of a play on words, right? BOULDER is a homophone of BOLDER, so they're saying it's bold, and also about the boulders!
12 is better than 6 seems horribly historically inaccurate. "An escaped slave is slowly walking through the desert, making his way from Mexico to Texas. "
Why would this slave be escaping Mexico, which outlawed slavery in 1821, to Texas, which still had a lot of slaves in 1863?
The matchmaking for Splatfests is completely broken and annoying. The majority of the matches I played in were Team Fam vs Team Fam, which does not earn any of the players clout.
I understand that with a near 2-1 majority, it would be impossible to keep players on the popular teams playing, but they should at least still earn clout.
I would be honestly happy if the only thing Nintendo did was overhaul the Joy Cons to make them last longer than a month before starting to break down.
I still own my original NES game-pads from 1989. I'm on my 3rd set of joy cons since May 2017. Those things are ABYSMAL.
"Sodding"? In my vernacular, "sodding" is a verb meaning putting grass seed down on bare dirt. I do not understand the use of it as an adjective.
"Also yeah, Nintendo has every right to protect their IP,"
Great, so what are we arguing about?
"Cut off one head, two more grow in its place, the internet is vast, good luck stopping every single person from getting them. "
This is why companies tend to be overly-litigious when it comes to their intellectual property. If you cut off enough heads, maybe another one thinks twice before growing.
"Nintendo owe you abso-freaking-lutely nothing, so what do you have to gain being so damn condescending?"
Clearly moral superiority, duh. But explaining why Nintendo is so litigious, why ROM sites are illegal, and why ROM downloaders are largely unethical doesn't make me condescending. You sense the condescension becaue you know I'm right! (and that, my friends, is pretty condescending!)
"Man, I'd hate to see how you react to people who have different opinions."
I would like to believe I come at them with logic and facts to support my view, but I'm not perfect. You know, like I have in this thread.
I agree with virtually everything you're saying. IP Law is complicated, and the ethics around it are worse. I'm in the US, and I may or may not work in a firm that deals with IP law, so I've seen how this stuff works.
If you use things on a personal level, you're generally ok. If you aquire multiple copies of somethign you already own, you're ok. If you find things that are no longer commercially available, that falls somwhere in the "Abandonware" domain - where the actual legal owner no longer cares, or does not exist, or for whatever reason is not going to do anything about it.
Preservation, though, is done with or without piracy. Flashing a cartridge is not in and of itself not piracy. If the actual program exists somewhere, or the code exists somewhere, it is preserved. It doesn't need to be hosted on a ROM site to be preserved.
My irritation only comes when people who download ROMS just don't admit that what they are (probably) doing is illegal and unethical, and that they are doing it because they want to be able to play Contra whenever they want. The whole holier-than-though posturing about "legacy" and "preservation", to me, is just hogwash.
@roadrunner343 " The only argument I made is that many amazing games, including several listed in this article and it's comments, have not been preserved by any legal means."
BUT THEY HAVE!! Copyright precedent allows the user of a product to have various copies of said product. If you own a physical vinyl record, you can transfer it to .mp3, cassette tape, video tape; you can transcribe it into music if you want to... Same thing with movies and books. Nintendo will try to argue that video games are different, but they've never successfuly proven or defended that, so any good IP lawyer will tell you that you are ok if you have copies of games you already legitimately own. It's more of a scare tactic than actual legal pressure.
PIRACY, which is what Nintendo is chiefly after, is when someone takes IP that they do not own and then makes money distributing it. In this case, someone aquires a massive amount of ROMS that they themselves do not own, and then make money while transferring it to other people. Ad-supported ROM sites are very much illegal.
If you ONLY have ROMS of games you physically or otherwise digitally own, you're (probably) fine. But I'm willing to bet you a ham sandwich that 99.99999% of people who download ROMS go well beyond their physical library.
@mikegamer No, genius, all of the games NINTENDO PRODUCED are available on the eshop. NINTENDO PRODUCED games, for which NINTENDO owns the rights to. Nintendo does not own Contra or Gradius (Konami does). It does not own Mega Man (That's Capcom). It does not own Dragon Warrior or Final Fantasy (Currently SquEnix).
Go to Nintendo.com/games to see for yourself. All of them. Even the light gun games that otherwise are COMPLTELY UNPLAYABLE on modern TVS.
@roadrunner343 "Any video game worth saving has already been saved? Sure. As a result of piracy. Otherwise? Absolutely not. Not even close."
You are presenting an argument that the only reason any game was captured was to profit off of it by allowing for it to be freely distributed? I would greatly object to that argument.
"Preserving history is definitely a huge reason many people pirate....because there's still no way for someone to consume that media, even if the game/developer/publisher is long at of print. So yes, having a large personal collection of roms (Which I do) for preservation sake, is a very real thing, regardless of how you feel of the legality of it."
It's nice that you tell yourself that, but I'm certain its so that you don't feel bad feelings about doing something you know is not completely above-board.
@electrolite77 See, you're just being condesendingly clueless. I think it's safe to say that if a game appeared in any form and was commercially availalbe, there's already a ROM out ther for it. If there isn't a ROM out there already, it's hard to argue it was worthwhile to begin with.
What Nintendo is doing is preventing the ILLEGAL DISTRIBUTION of said ROMS. And keep in mind, they're not even complaining about the ROMS per se, it's the illegal use of Nintendo logos and mascots on these sites. If you started a website called "Electrolite77's ROMS page, but kept all trademarked images and didn't have advertising, Nintendo probably wouldn't give you a second glance. It's the profiting off of THEIR property they get upset about.
@mikegamer "Hate to break it to you, but the more ROM sites shut down, less and less viable means to preserve games exist."
That's ALSO a [removed] excuse. What happens is that there are less viable means for YOU to access said games. There are absolutely completely legitimate and sactioned ways of preserving games. Posting them for free, without express consent from the copyright holder, isn't one of them. It's theft, whether they care or not.
"Nintendo won't do a damn thing to provide legal avenues for their games, so what should we do, bend over and take it up the tailpipe?"
Every single game produced by Nintendo between 1981-1997 is commercially available RIGHT NOW, through the Wii U and New 3DS virtual consoles and the NES and SNES classics. Every single one.
"Preserving history" is just a [removed] excuse for pirating. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. So let's get that out of the way.
Some things just don't really need to be saved, do they? Nobody's going to cry about not being able to find Yo Noid! or Bill Laimbeer's Combat Basketball. I think it's probably a fair bet to say any video game that was worth saving already has been.
@uhhhhhhhh On the SNES game P.T.O., you could play as either the Allies or Japan in winning the Pacific War. Playing as Japan was interesting, and extremely difficult due to their lack of resources, especially post 1942.
@MoonKnight7 Madden NFL Mario edition, where you can use the Mario characters in a football party mode?
Need For Speed: Mario Kart, where Mario is an undercover cop trying to break into a kart-theft crime ring?
Medal of Honor Kingdom Battle, where World War II Veterans are magically transported into the Mushroom Kingdom and team up with Mario in a FPS to defeat a Nazi army that was also transported and overthrew Bowser?
@Samus7Killer To be fair, how many more times do we need to buy Super Mario Bros.? Personally, I own the original NES cart, the SNES All Stars, the VC versions on Wii, Wii U, and 3DS, the All Star version on the Wii, and also on NES Classic.
Yes, I am a sucker. And yes, i would buy it again on the Switch.
My original NES and SNES are still hooked up to my LED TV and look, sound, and play fantastic. ...well as good as anything designed 30 years ago can be.
I know that the cost of a genuine NES has ballooned lately, but I'd still rather have the original than a copy.
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Re: Atari Goes WarioWare In Microgame Collection 'Atari Mania' Out This Summer
If only Microsoft would also buy Atari. Then we could finally get REAL Atari collections, since, as everybody knows, the best Atari games were all made by Activision.
Re: Actraiser Renaissance Hits Nintendo Switch Later Today
SO that means ALL THE QUINTET GAMES soon, RIGHT?
Re: Sega To Announce "New RPG" At This Year's Tokyo Game Show
Sonic RPG: The Legend of the Seven Rings, co-produced by Square-Enix
Re: Video: Take A Closer Look At The New Game & Watch: Super Mario Bros. System
Best Buy has a placeholder for this on their site, $49.99.
Re: Nintendo Announces Super Mario Remasters In Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary Direct
I shouldn't be this excited for games that I've owned for 25+ years, but dammit I'm pretty excited!
Re: Street Fighter II's Zangief Was Nerfed Because One Player Was Too Good With Him
Just imagine how many more skulls he could smash between his thighs. Just because he's a bad guy doesn't make him a bad...guy.
Re: Random: Turns Out NBA Jam Has Been Cheating The Chicago Bulls All This Time
Detroiter here. We can be some petty ***** sometimes. But forever ***** the Bulls.
Re: Square Enix Will Announce Several New Titles Between July And August
@Rackhir420 I would give my left arm to see a remastered Quintet collection.
Re: Square Enix Will Announce Several New Titles Between July And August
@dimi I'm betting the 13 trilogy makes an appearance.
Re: Rumour: Pikmin 3 Deluxe Reportedly In The Works For Nintendo Switch
When Nintendo writes their history book, they'll mention how they went straight from the Wii to the Switch.
There will never be any reference tot he Wii U. It never existed.
Re: Random: Do You Know About Super Mario Bros.' Secret Game Over Continue Trick?
@mjharper Super Mario/Legend of Zelda Cereal System EMPTY BOXES are going for $300 on ebay.
I used to have a collection of the cards you'd get in the box. Wish I still did!
Re: Nintendo Should Create An Apple Arcade-Style Subscription Service, Claims Analyst
It's almost like Nintendo is one of those companies that doesn't value profit over everything, and tries to balance out earnings with quality.
Releasing every single product Nintendo ever made at once, Apple Arcade style would make Nintendo a lot of money today. But what about a year from now, when everybody's tired of playing Super Mario Bros for the 400 billionth time?
But "analysts" only care about what the stock price is right now. What do they care about the future?
Re: The End Of An Era: E3 2020 Is Officially Cancelled
@Yorumi Do you...do you just not understand how statistics work?
Re: The End Of An Era: E3 2020 Is Officially Cancelled
@andywitmyer Dude, you do realize that the kill rate for COVID is something like 6X worse than for influenza? That COVID is spreading faster and wider than anyone expected? That even at that "miniscule" 2% kill rate, that's still a possible 140 million dead?
Re: "Why Make It Mini?" NES Creator Says People Would Still Buy A Regular System Today
I think it would make more sense to either A) have the NES/SNES Minis (and their successors) connect to an online marketplace and be able to buy more games, or B) come with a cartridge slot to play games that for whatever reason can't be sold.
Or both.
Re: Feature: The Most Expensive Retro Games For Nintendo Systems
@CurryPowderKeg79 Personally, I don't feel there's anything unethical about emulating games you already own or games that are no longer on the market (abandonware).
Interestingly, as classic game compliations become more common, it's becoming more of a murky water as to what is and isn't actually abandonware anymore.
Re: Square Enix Indie Division Teases Imminent Nintendo Switch Announcement
Act Raiser / Soul Blazer remakes? A REAL TERRANIGMA US relase?
...A Final Fantasy VI Remake?
Why yes, I am in my 30s. Why do you ask?
Re: NPD Shares US Software Sales For Last Month, 2019 And The Decade
@Deku-Scrub True, but neither of those had anything on Call of Duty.
Re: Google Play Votes Mario Kart Tour As One Of The 'Best Casual Games' For 2019
Jesus, people.... ALL casual games are nothing more than cash grabs! Have you looked at any free-to-play casual games lately?
Mario Kart Tour IS BY FAR the best of the bunch.
Re: Nintendo Download: 24th October (North America)
So we're just never going to get new NES/SNES games again, are we?
Re: Satoru Iwata Initially Didn't Want Wii Sports Bundled With Wii In The US, Says Reggie
Wii PLAY should have been the pack-in game, as it's basically just a tech demo of the Wiimote functionality.
Re: Nintendo Download: 3rd October (North America)
Ok, who is paying ANY money, let alone $8, for Freecell Solitaire in 2019?
Re: Hardware Review: The Genesis / Mega Drive Mini Finally Does Sega's History Justice
That's cool and all, but there will NEVER be a Genesis in my house. EVER.
You kids don't understand what the '90s were like. Team SNES for life.
Re: Nintendo Download: 16th May (North America)
I'm pretty sure there are more versions of Resident Evil 4 that have been released then Tetris.
Re: Nintendo Download: 9th May (North America)
"Bigger and Boulder cranks up the surrealism and gameplay to be, well... BIGGER AND BOULDER"
Did you...did you get it? Oh man, ha ha. Bigger and BOULDER, see, because it's about rocks. You get it, right? It's sort of a play on words, right? BOULDER is a homophone of BOLDER, so they're saying it's bold, and also about the boulders!
You should see your face right now.
Re: Soapbox: It's Time To Admit That F-Zero X Is The Best F-Zero
GX is fun. The story mode is a nice distraction. The fact that you can make your own racer is cool.
But the racing itself is superior in X.
Re: Nintendo Download: 28th February (North America)
@w00dm4n Lol. I read it as 1863. Oopsies!
Re: Nintendo Download: 28th February (North America)
12 is better than 6 seems horribly historically inaccurate. "An escaped slave is slowly walking through the desert, making his way from Mexico to Texas. "
Why would this slave be escaping Mexico, which outlawed slavery in 1821, to Texas, which still had a lot of slaves in 1863?
Re: Looks Like Ashes Cricket 2019 Is On The Way This Summer, And It's Coming To Switch
"Cricket? Nobody understands cricket. You gotta know what a crumpet is to understand cricket."
Re: Nintendo Planning Ways To "Boost The Appeal" Of Switch Online Service On A Yearly Basis
@Crono1973 Yeah, I didn't think of that :/
So no DS games, then. GIVE ME EVERYTHING ELSE!
Re: Nintendo Planning Ways To "Boost The Appeal" Of Switch Online Service On A Yearly Basis
Release the entire catalog of games that are currently available on the Wii U and 3DS virtual consoles.
At this point, there's no logical reason not to.
Re: Nintendo Readying One Unannounced Switch Title “Fans Would Be Delighted To Know" About
What is it probably going to be? Mario Maker 2
What do I want it to be? Final Fantasy VI Remake (not an iOS port!)
Re: Friends Beat Family In The Splatoon 2 Frosty Fest
The matchmaking for Splatfests is completely broken and annoying. The majority of the matches I played in were Team Fam vs Team Fam, which does not earn any of the players clout.
I understand that with a near 2-1 majority, it would be impossible to keep players on the popular teams playing, but they should at least still earn clout.
Re: Feature: Things We Wish Nintendo Would Do In 2019
I would be honestly happy if the only thing Nintendo did was overhaul the Joy Cons to make them last longer than a month before starting to break down.
I still own my original NES game-pads from 1989. I'm on my 3rd set of joy cons since May 2017. Those things are ABYSMAL.
Re: Talking Point: It's September And We Still Don't Know Enough About Nintendo Online
@justin233 In all seriousness, you could probably just buy a Wii, and probably for a lot cheaper than a used Gamecube.
Although managing the Wii menu to play Gamecube games is a bit clumsy.
Re: Feature: What Does Nintendo's Shutdown Of ROM-Sharing Sites Mean For Video Game Preservation?
@mikegamer
"Sodding"? In my vernacular, "sodding" is a verb meaning putting grass seed down on bare dirt. I do not understand the use of it as an adjective.
"Also yeah, Nintendo has every right to protect their IP,"
Great, so what are we arguing about?
"Cut off one head, two more grow in its place, the internet is vast, good luck stopping every single person from getting them. "
This is why companies tend to be overly-litigious when it comes to their intellectual property. If you cut off enough heads, maybe another one thinks twice before growing.
"Nintendo owe you abso-freaking-lutely nothing, so what do you have to gain being so damn condescending?"
Clearly moral superiority, duh. But explaining why Nintendo is so litigious, why ROM sites are illegal, and why ROM downloaders are largely unethical doesn't make me condescending. You sense the condescension becaue you know I'm right! (and that, my friends, is pretty condescending!)
"Man, I'd hate to see how you react to people who have different opinions."
I would like to believe I come at them with logic and facts to support my view, but I'm not perfect. You know, like I have in this thread.
Re: Feature: What Does Nintendo's Shutdown Of ROM-Sharing Sites Mean For Video Game Preservation?
@roadrunner343
I agree with virtually everything you're saying. IP Law is complicated, and the ethics around it are worse. I'm in the US, and I may or may not work in a firm that deals with IP law, so I've seen how this stuff works.
If you use things on a personal level, you're generally ok. If you aquire multiple copies of somethign you already own, you're ok. If you find things that are no longer commercially available, that falls somwhere in the "Abandonware" domain - where the actual legal owner no longer cares, or does not exist, or for whatever reason is not going to do anything about it.
Preservation, though, is done with or without piracy. Flashing a cartridge is not in and of itself not piracy. If the actual program exists somewhere, or the code exists somewhere, it is preserved. It doesn't need to be hosted on a ROM site to be preserved.
My irritation only comes when people who download ROMS just don't admit that what they are (probably) doing is illegal and unethical, and that they are doing it because they want to be able to play Contra whenever they want. The whole holier-than-though posturing about "legacy" and "preservation", to me, is just hogwash.
Re: Feature: What Does Nintendo's Shutdown Of ROM-Sharing Sites Mean For Video Game Preservation?
@roadrunner343 " The only argument I made is that many amazing games, including several listed in this article and it's comments, have not been preserved by any legal means."
BUT THEY HAVE!! Copyright precedent allows the user of a product to have various copies of said product. If you own a physical vinyl record, you can transfer it to .mp3, cassette tape, video tape; you can transcribe it into music if you want to... Same thing with movies and books. Nintendo will try to argue that video games are different, but they've never successfuly proven or defended that, so any good IP lawyer will tell you that you are ok if you have copies of games you already legitimately own. It's more of a scare tactic than actual legal pressure.
PIRACY, which is what Nintendo is chiefly after, is when someone takes IP that they do not own and then makes money distributing it. In this case, someone aquires a massive amount of ROMS that they themselves do not own, and then make money while transferring it to other people. Ad-supported ROM sites are very much illegal.
If you ONLY have ROMS of games you physically or otherwise digitally own, you're (probably) fine. But I'm willing to bet you a ham sandwich that 99.99999% of people who download ROMS go well beyond their physical library.
Re: Feature: What Does Nintendo's Shutdown Of ROM-Sharing Sites Mean For Video Game Preservation?
@mikegamer No, genius, all of the games NINTENDO PRODUCED are available on the eshop. NINTENDO PRODUCED games, for which NINTENDO owns the rights to. Nintendo does not own Contra or Gradius (Konami does). It does not own Mega Man (That's Capcom). It does not own Dragon Warrior or Final Fantasy (Currently SquEnix).
Go to Nintendo.com/games to see for yourself. All of them. Even the light gun games that otherwise are COMPLTELY UNPLAYABLE on modern TVS.
Re: Feature: What Does Nintendo's Shutdown Of ROM-Sharing Sites Mean For Video Game Preservation?
@roadrunner343 "Any video game worth saving has already been saved? Sure. As a result of piracy. Otherwise? Absolutely not. Not even close."
You are presenting an argument that the only reason any game was captured was to profit off of it by allowing for it to be freely distributed? I would greatly object to that argument.
"Preserving history is definitely a huge reason many people pirate....because there's still no way for someone to consume that media, even if the game/developer/publisher is long at of print. So yes, having a large personal collection of roms (Which I do) for preservation sake, is a very real thing, regardless of how you feel of the legality of it."
It's nice that you tell yourself that, but I'm certain its so that you don't feel bad feelings about doing something you know is not completely above-board.
Re: Feature: What Does Nintendo's Shutdown Of ROM-Sharing Sites Mean For Video Game Preservation?
@electrolite77 See, you're just being condesendingly clueless. I think it's safe to say that if a game appeared in any form and was commercially availalbe, there's already a ROM out ther for it. If there isn't a ROM out there already, it's hard to argue it was worthwhile to begin with.
What Nintendo is doing is preventing the ILLEGAL DISTRIBUTION of said ROMS. And keep in mind, they're not even complaining about the ROMS per se, it's the illegal use of Nintendo logos and mascots on these sites. If you started a website called "Electrolite77's ROMS page, but kept all trademarked images and didn't have advertising, Nintendo probably wouldn't give you a second glance. It's the profiting off of THEIR property they get upset about.
Re: Feature: What Does Nintendo's Shutdown Of ROM-Sharing Sites Mean For Video Game Preservation?
@mikegamer "Hate to break it to you, but the more ROM sites shut down, less and less viable means to preserve games exist."
That's ALSO a [removed] excuse. What happens is that there are less viable means for YOU to access said games. There are absolutely completely legitimate and sactioned ways of preserving games. Posting them for free, without express consent from the copyright holder, isn't one of them. It's theft, whether they care or not.
"Nintendo won't do a damn thing to provide legal avenues for their games, so what should we do, bend over and take it up the tailpipe?"
Every single game produced by Nintendo between 1981-1997 is commercially available RIGHT NOW, through the Wii U and New 3DS virtual consoles and the NES and SNES classics. Every single one.
Re: Feature: What Does Nintendo's Shutdown Of ROM-Sharing Sites Mean For Video Game Preservation?
"Preserving history" is just a [removed] excuse for pirating. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. So let's get that out of the way.
Some things just don't really need to be saved, do they? Nobody's going to cry about not being able to find Yo Noid! or Bill Laimbeer's Combat Basketball. I think it's probably a fair bet to say any video game that was worth saving already has been.
Re: Toys R Us Is Preparing To Liquidate Its U.S. Business, Reports Claim
I worked two Christmas seasons at TRU back in the early aughts. Kinda sad to see it go.
Re: World Conqueror X Will Forcibly Annex Your Nintendo Switch This March
@uhhhhhhhh On the SNES game P.T.O., you could play as either the Allies or Japan in winning the Pacific War. Playing as Japan was interesting, and extremely difficult due to their lack of resources, especially post 1942.
I'd imagine playing as Germany would be similar.
Re: Hands On: The Future Of Gaming Is Cardboard, Thanks To Nintendo Labo
@daveh30 My son turns 8 in May, and I will definitely buying this for me.....I MEAN for his birthday.
Yeah, for HIS birthday...
Re: Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle Drives Positive Switch Sales for Ubisoft
@MoonKnight7 Madden NFL Mario edition, where you can use the Mario characters in a football party mode?
Need For Speed: Mario Kart, where Mario is an undercover cop trying to break into a kart-theft crime ring?
Medal of Honor Kingdom Battle, where World War II Veterans are magically transported into the Mushroom Kingdom and team up with Mario in a FPS to defeat a Nazi army that was also transported and overthrew Bowser?
Re: Nintendo Download: 26th October (North America)
Wait, hold on... FORTY DOLLARS for freaking Monopoly?!?!
Re: Mario Bros. to Kick Off 'Arcade Archives' Range on Nintendo Switch
@Samus7Killer
To be fair, how many more times do we need to buy Super Mario Bros.? Personally, I own the original NES cart, the SNES All Stars, the VC versions on Wii, Wii U, and 3DS, the All Star version on the Wii, and also on NES Classic.
Yes, I am a sucker. And yes, i would buy it again on the Switch.
Re: Hardware Review: The Retro-Bit RES Plus Gives You A HDMI NES For Under 40 Dollars
My original NES and SNES are still hooked up to my LED TV and look, sound, and play fantastic. ...well as good as anything designed 30 years ago can be.
I know that the cost of a genuine NES has ballooned lately, but I'd still rather have the original than a copy.