This industry has become a race to the bottom. I think everyone needs to take note of the the comment from Two Tribes developer @Reuf regarding Steam - "people only seem to buy games when they're heavily discounted (70+ %) and at that point as a developer you hardly make a dime."
The Video Game market is quickly becoming a case of consumers wanting AAA games at bargain-bin prices. It's an egocentric desire that can only have negative repercussions in the long term, especially considering the always increasing costs of game development.
What I find interesting about this kind of article is when we see it being contradicted by developers who know how to get their games working properly.
Toki Tori 2 is one of the best games I've played in years. It was a refreshing change of pace in a frequently stale industry. It lured me into a child-like state of innocent discovery and when I finally understood the big picture it was like all life's answers had been revealed.
That really was a great read. Nintendo also dominates my living room now (bye bye Sony). I've always had too much to play on my system. In fact, the channels on my dashboard are almost full now (something needs to be done).
And I agree with the assertion that if the "Hardcore" kiddies don't want a Wii U now then they probably never will. Pre-teens are jaded. They don't see Nintendo as being cool. The Wii U is a hardcore gamer's system. It's not a COD box. Mario 3D World is a hardcore game.
@LetsGoRetro in answer to your implication : "Yes! I have been following the conversation in its entirety! It doesn't mean I'm satisfied with all the arguments posed, though!" Thank you very much for engaging in thoughtful discussion, though, and not allowing this to descend into typical Internet diatribe!
To clarify, by superficial I mean the literal definition, "surface level", without negative connotation. And, as such I still argue that it is not what should be the deciding factor in determining the maturity level of a game.
Depth does not mean freedom of exploration. I just came off playing more than 70 hours of Assassin's Creed 3 on Wii U, a game with almost limitless freedom - with all the substance of high school student's creative writing assignment! There isn't any complexities in the story or in the actions I can take as a player. It's shallow and I love it.
By contrast, Mario 3D World, while derivative, has incredible complexity when you assess it's gameplay. There is depth in exploring and investing in it's mechanics. Assess it on an aesthetic level and it's easily dismissed as childish. But, it often speaks to gamers on a deeper level than a more stereotypically "mature" game does.
Ultimately, what's so mature about the storyline in Gears of War, Hali or Call of Dury? Game stories are not Lolita. They deal with fantasy subjects and are B-grade at best. And that's fine. Their depth and art lie elsewhere.
@LetsGoRetro I would say Nintendo makes games that can be enjoyed by children and adults alike. They're the PIXAR of gaming.
And just as twelve year old boys think they're two cool for PIXAR movies, so too do they think they're too cool for Nintendo. Maturity, though, is about not caring about the superficial layers, and realising that substance comes from the depth found below the surface.
I usually buy all the consoles (because when you're 35 you get to do that kind of thing) They're all my toys. When I want something with no substance, I'll play GTA. When I want deep gameplay, I'll play Mario. Which, incidentally, I did with my 6 year old niece the other day. She can't get past anything more than a few levels. If that's a kids game, it fails miserably as one.
I don't know if I linked mine properly. Everything seemed fine; I'm using my Mii from my WiiU now; but when I went to the e-shop it said "the Club Nintendo account is already linked for this console. Using the old one" or something. Anyone know what that is all about?
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Re: Video: This New F1 Race Stars: Powered Up Edition Trailer Hits the Accelerator
I had always just assumed it had online. Without it, Sonic Racers is still the best way to get your kart fix, I guess.
Re: Talking Point: An Unplanned Flash Sale Looked Like Retail Download Genius from Nintendo
This industry has become a race to the bottom. I think everyone needs to take note of the the comment from Two Tribes developer @Reuf regarding Steam - "people only seem to buy games when they're heavily discounted (70+ %) and at that point as a developer you hardly make a dime."
The Video Game market is quickly becoming a case of consumers wanting AAA games at bargain-bin prices. It's an egocentric desire that can only have negative repercussions in the long term, especially considering the always increasing costs of game development.
Re: Unepic Begins Its Quest in Europe on 23rd January
Looking at the stat page that pops up... the WiiU eshop needs more RPGs!
Re: BLOK DROP U Developer Shares Perspective on HTML5 Web Framework Development for Wii U
Will depend entirely on the Australian price. Physics based puzzlers are not my forte.
Re: Unepic Begins Its Quest in Europe on 23rd January
I can wait...
who am I kidding?!?? I can't wait for this game!!!
Re: New Road Redemption Footage Blasts Away Road Rash Comparisons
Looks pretty fun. I hope the controls are WiiMote to point and shoot, nunchuck to steer.
Re: A Third-Party "Secret Developer" Gives an Inside Story of Working on Wii U
Armchairs Experts. As far as the eye can see.
What I find interesting about this kind of article is when we see it being contradicted by developers who know how to get their games working properly.
Re: Review: CastleStorm (Wii U eShop)
@rjejr It's offline versus as well. Couldn't get it to work (as I don't have a ProController) but the option is there, at least!
Re: Review: CastleStorm (Wii U eShop)
One thing that annoys me about Zen is that they ONLY support the pro controller, not the classic controller pro.
Re: UK Retailer GAME States Ambition to be at the Forefront Of Download Content Sales
@SPUD That is inconsistent with experiences I've heard about people who have lost their downloads.
Re: UK Retailer GAME States Ambition to be at the Forefront Of Download Content Sales
@luminalace Those 3DS ones work on Wii U. I bought $210 worth of them a couple of weeks ago. They have Link on them and they sell them at JB.
Re: Rainy Frog Launches to Focus on Bringing Western Download Titles to Japan
What about bringing Spin the Bottle to Australia?
Re: MercurySteam's New Next-Gen Title Isn't Coming To Wii U
First Aliens now this? The list of non-Wii U games that I don't care about is growing bigger by the day!
Re: Two Tribes Development Studio Shuts Down and New, Smaller Company is Formed
Toki Tori 2 is one of the best games I've played in years. It was a refreshing change of pace in a frequently stale industry. It lured me into a child-like state of innocent discovery and when I finally understood the big picture it was like all life's answers had been revealed.
This news breaks my heart.
Re: Two Tribes Development Studio Shuts Down and New, Smaller Company is Formed
@Nintenjoe64 Toki Tori 1 & 2 are like night and day. The original was great but the sequel was just magical in my opinion.
Re: Unepic Confirmed for 16th January on the North American Wii U eShop
This is totally game of the year.
Re: Nintendo Download: 9th January (Europe)
@Ootfan98 Hmmm... very good question!
Re: Nintendo Download: 9th January (Europe)
Contra will be cool! But, I want more discounts on the Wii U.
Re: HullBreach Uncloaked Emerges Into View For Wii U eShop
Oh please don't give me another MMO to play! DCUO already has too much of my time!
Re: Feature: The Biggest Wii U Games of 2014
Nice! Potentially one game per month!
Re: Round Table: Let's Talk About Nintendo in 2013 - Wii U and Favourites of the Year
That really was a great read. Nintendo also dominates my living room now (bye bye Sony). I've always had too much to play on my system. In fact, the channels on my dashboard are almost full now (something needs to be done).
And I agree with the assertion that if the "Hardcore" kiddies don't want a Wii U now then they probably never will. Pre-teens are jaded. They don't see Nintendo as being cool. The Wii U is a hardcore gamer's system. It's not a COD box. Mario 3D World is a hardcore game.
Re: Round Table: Let's Talk About Nintendo in 2013 - Wii U and Favourites of the Year
@MAB "We are living in a society where people are just too lazy to read. Don't go down the lame Podcast path NL... Just keep rollin' how you roll"
Why does it have to be an either/or situation?
Re: Round Table: Let's Talk About Nintendo in 2013 - Wii U and Favourites of the Year
@Silent I was reading that article thinking the same thing. Podcasts, please!!
Re: Zelda Unveiled as New Smash Bros. Challenger
After all these character reveals (enough now to potentially be the final roster)... I'm totally hoping for DLC.
Re: Nintendo Acknowledges Network Issues and Suggests Patience
Still can't connect to the shop but MonHun worked just fine.
Re: Do You Want This Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles-Themed NES? It'll Cost You A Pretty Penny
looks at profile pic Worth every cent.
Re: Video: Just Look For The U On The Box, Nintendo's New Wii U Promotion Helpfully Suggests
@LetsGoRetro in answer to your implication : "Yes! I have been following the conversation in its entirety! It doesn't mean I'm satisfied with all the arguments posed, though!" Thank you very much for engaging in thoughtful discussion, though, and not allowing this to descend into typical Internet diatribe!
To clarify, by superficial I mean the literal definition, "surface level", without negative connotation. And, as such I still argue that it is not what should be the deciding factor in determining the maturity level of a game.
Depth does not mean freedom of exploration. I just came off playing more than 70 hours of Assassin's Creed 3 on Wii U, a game with almost limitless freedom - with all the substance of high school student's creative writing assignment! There isn't any complexities in the story or in the actions I can take as a player. It's shallow and I love it.
By contrast, Mario 3D World, while derivative, has incredible complexity when you assess it's gameplay. There is depth in exploring and investing in it's mechanics. Assess it on an aesthetic level and it's easily dismissed as childish. But, it often speaks to gamers on a deeper level than a more stereotypically "mature" game does.
Ultimately, what's so mature about the storyline in Gears of War, Hali or Call of Dury? Game stories are not Lolita. They deal with fantasy subjects and are B-grade at best. And that's fine. Their depth and art lie elsewhere.
Re: Video: Just Look For The U On The Box, Nintendo's New Wii U Promotion Helpfully Suggests
@LetsGoRetro I would say Nintendo makes games that can be enjoyed by children and adults alike. They're the PIXAR of gaming.
And just as twelve year old boys think they're two cool for PIXAR movies, so too do they think they're too cool for Nintendo. Maturity, though, is about not caring about the superficial layers, and realising that substance comes from the depth found below the surface.
I usually buy all the consoles (because when you're 35 you get to do that kind of thing) They're all my toys. When I want something with no substance, I'll play GTA. When I want deep gameplay, I'll play Mario. Which, incidentally, I did with my 6 year old niece the other day. She can't get past anything more than a few levels. If that's a kids game, it fails miserably as one.
Re: Review: Double Dragon (Wii U eShop / NES)
I really wish they would give us the arcade version.
Re: Funky Kong's Return Confirmed for Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
Bring on the jorts.
Re: Nintendo Launches NES Remix Contest on Miiverse
Any leaderboards in this game?
Re: Nintendo of Europe Confirms Upcoming eShop Discounts
@ThomasBW84 Will do... If the sale is in Australia as well.
Re: PC Engine And MSX Games Coming To Japanese 3DS And Wii U Virtual Console Services
Please bring this to other countries! And, give me some SEGA and C64 love!
Re: Feature: 12 Days of Christmas - Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate Devours Time and Pushes Boundaries
@JaxonH "I'm giving my brother the Zelda Wii U bundle for Christmas and am trying to get him into this game. "
You just reached Brother Level 1000000!
Re: Feature: 12 Days of Christmas - Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate Devours Time and Pushes Boundaries
Love these "12 days" articles. I can't help think that a link to all the previous articles in the series would help those people jumping in mid way.
Re: Two Mega Man Titles Get a Two Day eShop Discount in U.S.
Sigh. Of course they do. Someone should tell Capcom/Nintendo that the Internet is available outside the US.
Re: CastleStorm Bringing the Battle to Wii U on 26th December
Zen Pinball was fun. This one could be great!
Re: Nintendo Download: 19th December (Europe)
Sales! As far as the eye can see!
Re: Platinum Games Producer Hates "Pedantic Port-Begging" Regarding Bayonetta 2
It's the exact same situation as people begging for a Wii U port of Bayonetta 1.
Re: Rumour: Smash Bros. Heading for a Spring 2014 Release
I just want the online to work and have voice chat. It will be a shame if the Brawl fiasco was repeated.
Re: Soapbox: Nintendo's Appearance at VGX Underwhelmed, But the Show Itself Was Far Worse
Totally agree about McHale. Very unprofessional.
Re: 3DS System Update Adds Nintendo Network ID, Miiverse and Unified eShop Funds
I don't know if I linked mine properly. Everything seemed fine; I'm using my Mii from my WiiU now; but when I went to the e-shop it said "the Club Nintendo account is already linked for this console. Using the old one" or something. Anyone know what that is all about?
Re: Nintendo of America Reminds Gamers of 20% Discount on eShop Cards at Best Buy
Oh come on, Australia! Give us some love too!
Re: Video: The LEGO Movie Game Unleashes Its Début Trailer
Is it too much to ask for a Lego TMNT game?
Re: Nintendo's Point of Sale Cards Helping to Drive Downloads in Japan
Once you go digital, you can never go back.
Re: Knytt Underground Arrives on the Wii U eShop on 19th December
This looks phenomenal. Hoping for an Aussie release.
Re: Nintendo Download: 5th December (North America)
On another note, in Australia today we got no WiiU digital releases. None.
Re: Nintendo Download: 5th December (North America)
Goemon is awesome!
Also, in the digital age it's insulting that the special themed VC discounts are only offered to America.
Re: RUSH Confirmed for 12th December Release on Wii U eShop
@ikki5
A fair point, to be sure. Although I guess if lumped together with Toki Tori it could be forgiven, considering its history.
Re: RUSH Confirmed for 12th December Release on Wii U eShop
Probably not coming to Australia, right?