The game was released with this glitch. It should've been tested appropriately. It wasn't.
Nintendo were then faced with two options. Allow the glitch to exist, which allows for same-sex marriage among males and also patch the game to allow females to marry eachother. Or remove the ability for same-sex couples to marry one another.
If they do remove it, it's discrimination. The glitch, and this whole position Nintendo have been placed in could have been avoided.
@sillygostly It was also an option for The Sims back in 2000. Why after 13 years it is being removed from a game (that doesn't look to have any religious influence and therefore no need to oppose same-sex marriage) I have no idea.
But they're offending the same-sex side by not providing the option in the first place. Whether the glitch was intentional or not, the fact that it has been addressed by removing the option to allow for male-male marriage and not include female-female marriage is discrimination.
I'm not accurate on the LGBT tolerance in Japan. A quick wikipedia search tells me that although there are no laws against homosexuality and no legal recognition of same-sex marriage, there is no real hostility to homosexuality.
It doesn't seem like there can't be same-sex relationships within the game itself. The information I've found about this only relates to marriage, and allowing two males to propose, marry, honeymoon. If the option for same-sex relationships without marriage is there, I don't see any good reason why the option for marriage shouldn't be.
If there is no option for same-sex relationships in the first place, then that's wrong.
@Chunky_Droid I haven't thought about it in depth, (and I'm not sure how much the two are alike), but I imagine it's mostly due to Fez coming to the PS3.
@SethNintendo Tomb Raider was announced late 2011, which would mean it was in development for a little while before then.
The Wii U was released late 2012.
It's not lazy development. If Crystal Dynamics wanted to incorporate the gamepad in a way that was deemed innovative (which at the moment seems to be a map or playing the entire game on the gamepad, whoopie!), that wouldn't have been possible.
Because you want proof, even though you yourself can't provide it, I'll prove my point.
"At this time, no. When we started developing the game we made a conscious decision that it was all about building the game for a platform and making sure the game was specific to that platform. Given that we've been working on the game quite a while before Wii U was announced I think it would not be right to try and port it across. If we started building a game for the Wii U we would build it very differently and we would build it with unique functionality." http://au.gamespot.com/news/tomb-raider-skipping-wii-u-6349248 />
that was posted on Jan 26, 2012, a year before NintendoLife's article that you mentioned.
The problem that devs have with the Wii U is simple. It is the only console on the market that third party companies have to add extra gameplay mechanics.
Currently, it isn't worth the time/money/effort as the rewards from potential sales aren't high enough. In a few years time, when the Wii U has some decent numbers than maybe, otherwise, it will still be used to display maps, health and all the other crap that can be done in the corner of the other versions of the game.
@Big_L91 They joys of this article is that it makes Sony look like all they've done is take a jab at Nintendo, whilst they've done quite a few jabs over the past few days.
PushSquare has covered a lot of what Sony has done leading up to Wednesday.
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Re: Insomniac's CEO Is Open To Working On Wii U, Wants To See More Zelda, Mario And Metroid
His comments from last week never completely ruled out the possibility of developing for the Wii U.
Hardly a U turn.
Re: Rumour: Tomodachi Collection: New Life Update to Remove Same-Sex Marriage
@Intrepid You are wrong. Marriage is not solely a religious ceremony.
Re: Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies Confirmed For This Fall in the West
Yeah I'm not a fan of the decisions Capcom make sometimes.
For me, they still make amazing games. Which is why I buy them.
Re: Rumour: Tomodachi Collection: New Life Update to Remove Same-Sex Marriage
@Melkaticox I don't understand this comment.
Are you saying that LGBT characters cannot be in games rated E, or they can't be found in games rated E.
Re: Rumour: Tomodachi Collection: New Life Update to Remove Same-Sex Marriage
You're right dragon, and it's hard to know the facts about a game that has very little information outside of Japan and in English.
We will have to wait for a confirmed response from Nintendo. I don't think it will work in their favour though.
Re: Rumour: Tomodachi Collection: New Life Update to Remove Same-Sex Marriage
The game was released with this glitch. It should've been tested appropriately. It wasn't.
Nintendo were then faced with two options. Allow the glitch to exist, which allows for same-sex marriage among males and also patch the game to allow females to marry eachother. Or remove the ability for same-sex couples to marry one another.
If they do remove it, it's discrimination. The glitch, and this whole position Nintendo have been placed in could have been avoided.
Re: Rumour: Tomodachi Collection: New Life Update to Remove Same-Sex Marriage
@sillygostly It was also an option for The Sims back in 2000. Why after 13 years it is being removed from a game (that doesn't look to have any religious influence and therefore no need to oppose same-sex marriage) I have no idea.
Re: Rumour: Tomodachi Collection: New Life Update to Remove Same-Sex Marriage
But they're offending the same-sex side by not providing the option in the first place. Whether the glitch was intentional or not, the fact that it has been addressed by removing the option to allow for male-male marriage and not include female-female marriage is discrimination.
I'm not accurate on the LGBT tolerance in Japan. A quick wikipedia search tells me that although there are no laws against homosexuality and no legal recognition of same-sex marriage, there is no real hostility to homosexuality.
It doesn't seem like there can't be same-sex relationships within the game itself. The information I've found about this only relates to marriage, and allowing two males to propose, marry, honeymoon. If the option for same-sex relationships without marriage is there, I don't see any good reason why the option for marriage shouldn't be.
If there is no option for same-sex relationships in the first place, then that's wrong.
Re: Swords & Soldiers 3D Arriving In The North American 3DS eShop Next Week
@XCWarrior same game as the original.
This is roughly the 6th or 7th time they're re-released it.
It was fun... was.
Re: Tomodachi Collection: New Life Features Same-Sex Marriage For Men, But Not Women
I love how some people are calling Nintendo a family friendly company.
If they remove this 'bug' to cater to families, what about all the families with same-sex parents?
Re: Tomodachi Collection: New Life Features Same-Sex Marriage For Men, But Not Women
@Joshers744 I would love to know how this makes you want Japan to keep the game.
Re: Orion's Odyssey: A Pattern Blocks Adventure Reboots Kickstarter Campaign
KickstarterLife?
Re: DICE Tested Its Frostbite Engine On Wii U, Wasn't Enamoured With The Results
Frostbite is not Unreal Engine 4, or Crytek engine whatever.
Re: Mario Kart, Wii Sports And Animal Crossing Named In Violent Games Rundown
It would be nice if people read the article on the Guardian than basing their thoughts on what NL wrote.
Re: Nintendo Sends Direct Wii U Marketing Message To Wii Owners
Hey guys, we have another console too. We're still not gonna tell you anything about it, but hey, we told you it's there.
Re: Nintendo: 3DS eShop And App Store Comparison Is "Quality" Versus "Quantity"
I wonder what a representative of Apple would say about the app store.
Re: Rumour: Batman: Arkham Origins to Include Multiplayer Mode
Uh-oh.
Re: Buddy & Me Hits Kickstarter Target But Misses Wii U Stretch Goal
@Hexonberik Except it meet the required funding.
Re: LulzSec Members Who Hacked Nintendo Plead Guilty To Charges
@Deathgaze Don't think it is.
Re: Activision Confirms Fast & Furious: Showdown Won't Be Coming To Australia
Also because they have to get yet another rating (which are expensive).
Re: UK Retailer GAME to Sell Tablet Devices
Why would they?
Re: Video: Is This What Miiverse Will Look Like On Your Smartphone?
I hope it's through an App. I'd be super sad if it wasn't.
Re: No Battlefield 4 For Wii U Because DICE Wants To "Play It Safe"
@DePapier They have to port the entire Frostbyte engine to the Wii U.
It's not as easy as you think.
Re: PAX Australia is Sold Out
You clearly don't know how the world and timelords work.
Re: ZombiU Developers Talk Permadeath And Protagonists
It's not really a permadeath game when you respawn at the last checkpoint.
Re: Fez For Wii U Is Highly Unlikely Unless Nintendo Pays For It
@grimbldoo I'm good thanks.
It's nice to know you think the universe revolves around me.
Re: Fez For Wii U Is Highly Unlikely Unless Nintendo Pays For It
Why? Because he uses twitter to express his views?
Guess we should forget about everyone on twitter then!
He has a view that's different to yours?
Say goodbye to everyone then!
Re: Fez For Wii U Is Highly Unlikely Unless Nintendo Pays For It
How is he acting like the face of a multinational corporation?
Re: Fez For Wii U Is Highly Unlikely Unless Nintendo Pays For It
I tweet. Does that mean I'm an attention seeker?
Re: Fez For Wii U Is Highly Unlikely Unless Nintendo Pays For It
@Mk_II Except Nintendo (or it's fans) isn't feeding him anything.
Re: Fez For Wii U Is Highly Unlikely Unless Nintendo Pays For It
No he shouldn't.
Re: Fez For Wii U Is Highly Unlikely Unless Nintendo Pays For It
@Chunky_Droid I haven't thought about it in depth, (and I'm not sure how much the two are alike), but I imagine it's mostly due to Fez coming to the PS3.
Re: Fez For Wii U Is Highly Unlikely Unless Nintendo Pays For It
I love how some people think one case of an eShop game outselling an iOS/Android game means the platform is better.
Re: Fez Creator Believes Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate is More Suited To Vita
I hope you're joking @kieryh.
Re: Fez Creator Believes Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate is More Suited To Vita
The 3DS control wise is even worse when it's compared to the PSP.
The fact that they had to add lock on as a way of fixing the camera controls for the 3DS version only supports this.
Re: Wii U GamePad "Screams Innovation", Says Project Cars Developer
@SethNintendo Tomb Raider was announced late 2011, which would mean it was in development for a little while before then.
The Wii U was released late 2012.
It's not lazy development. If Crystal Dynamics wanted to incorporate the gamepad in a way that was deemed innovative (which at the moment seems to be a map or playing the entire game on the gamepad, whoopie!), that wouldn't have been possible.
Because you want proof, even though you yourself can't provide it, I'll prove my point.
"At this time, no. When we started developing the game we made a conscious decision that it was all about building the game for a platform and making sure the game was specific to that platform. Given that we've been working on the game quite a while before Wii U was announced I think it would not be right to try and port it across. If we started building a game for the Wii U we would build it very differently and we would build it with unique functionality."
http://au.gamespot.com/news/tomb-raider-skipping-wii-u-6349248
/> that was posted on Jan 26, 2012, a year before NintendoLife's article that you mentioned.
The problem that devs have with the Wii U is simple. It is the only console on the market that third party companies have to add extra gameplay mechanics.
Currently, it isn't worth the time/money/effort as the rewards from potential sales aren't high enough. In a few years time, when the Wii U has some decent numbers than maybe, otherwise, it will still be used to display maps, health and all the other crap that can be done in the corner of the other versions of the game.
Re: Wii U GamePad "Screams Innovation", Says Project Cars Developer
Can you prove it's their sole reasoning that they don't develop for the console because they don't wanna implement the gamepad.
Re: Wii U GamePad "Screams Innovation", Says Project Cars Developer
Companies aren't just not releasing games because they "don't know how to use the gamepad."
The Wii U, for some companies, is not profitable to put their game on the system.
Re: Ashes Cricket 2013 Announced For Wii U
@Superjimmy If you're gonna sledge can you at least be creative?
Re: Ashes Cricket 2013 Announced For Wii U
Can we also send the Australian team home if they don't do their homework?
Re: U.S. February Sales Figures Make Grim Reading for Wii U and Wider Industry
lol people thinking that Monster Hunter will bring in lots of sales.
It won't.
Re: Pokémon Scramble U Set To Be The First Wii U Title To Use The NFC Feature
Oh lordy...
When will this Skylanders stuff end?
Re: Liberation Maiden Takes Flight to iOS
Actually controls really nicely on the iPhone. I'm sure it's even better on the iPad.
Re: The Amazing Spider-Man: Ultimate Edition Not Releasing Down Under
@Azooooz Yes, the Wii U is failing because of the Australian market.
You hit the nail on the head there!
Re: Bioware: "No Plans" To Bring New Mass Effect 3 DLC To Wii U
Then. Don't. Read. Them.
Re: No Off-Screen Play For Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate On Wii U
So the two screens work with the Pro Controller too?
Re: Sony Trolls Nintendo Ahead of PlayStation 4 Announcement
@Big_L91 They joys of this article is that it makes Sony look like all they've done is take a jab at Nintendo, whilst they've done quite a few jabs over the past few days.
PushSquare has covered a lot of what Sony has done leading up to Wednesday.
Re: Wii U Resident Evil: Revelations Will Not Support Wii Remote and Nunchuk
The 3DS version didn't have pointer controls, and nobody complained then.
Re: Journey Developer's Next Game Could Be Coming To The Wii U
Downloadable titles don't do well on the Xbox Marketplace?
Since when?
Also, it would be nice to have the original source so we can see the quote in context, but whatever.
Re: Wii U Resident Evil: Revelations To Feature Off-Screen Play and Pro Controller Support
@Koapa Yup, 5 million sales is poor.