Billy Mitchell Live Streams 1,050,100 Point Donkey Kong Game

No one doubted his ability. It’s the fact that he cheated that’s the problem. I don’t think he quite gets it.

Greatest film villain since the original incarnation of Darth Vader. I hate/love Billy!

From what I recall, he said he specifically wasn't going to go for the world record but just the score he claimed he had achieved previously and stop at that, which it would seem is basically exactly what he has done here. In my book you get kudos for that--you've earned it.

God, sitting alone in heaven, had no one to look up to... no one to admire...Then God created Billy and He became “one of us”. Personally I don’t think Billy should be able to “compete” for records as he is part man and mostly God, but I’m dang thankful I share the same air as Billy. Billy teaches us how small and meaningless we are in the universe and the best we could do is watch him play Donkey Kong.

Was it live from the Queen Vic???

I have this weird approach to games. I see them as a way to relax and something to enjoy, either alone or with friends and family. I know, freaky.

@GammaPhonic Well, in Billy's own words:

"You should do more research. The tapes they evaluated were not the tapes I gave them. They were tapes given to them by a guy who owned a website called [removed]. The tapes I gave them were lost over 10 years ago, so they reached out to random people" - https://twitter.com/BillyPacman/status/1066266514033205248

Now, I can't say if that's the truth or a lie, and neither can you, but he did what he said he was going to do, and those scores above are legit. And that's all the likes of you and me can really say for absolute sure here--unless we are exercising some kind of discriminatory bias.

He's now matched the scores he claimed before, this time in a way that's presumably indisputable, so I give him the kudos he's earned.

This guy defines what it means to be great at one game and one game only.

He also needs to get a haircut.

It's easy to fake live streams. Plenty of people have done it. I don't buy this.

Oh, and yes, regardless of anything else, Billy has legitimately achieved those scores, from what I can see, he has achieved them as fairly and squarely as anyone else, and he should now get his name back where it clearly belongs. These scores are legit--i'll trust that until someone legit claims otherwise--so let's recognize and celebrate them.

@BLD OK, at this point I think you're just stretching.

@impurekind

Why? Because I have difficulty taking a serial liar at his word?

@BLD In this case, with the live streams, yes.

@impurekind

Yes, the livestream of a man who has repeatedly forged video evidence. I see no problem with this!

@BLD Then you will never be satisfied imo.

Geez, just been looking at his twitter feed. Wearing your tie on the outside of your waist coat sure is a good look....

@impurekind

If he ever came out and said "Yes, I admit it, I lied." I'd be at least slightly more willing to believe him. But even now he denies any wrongdoing, blaming """haters""" instead of owning up to his lies.

So he's still not an honest person.

The issue was never that Billy is no good at the game, it's simply that he used MAME and not an official arcade board when he recorded his record and then went on to lie about it and say he didn't use MAME. Seems like if he was just upfront about using MAME the whole time, he would not have received the backlash that he did.

I mean, strictly speaking he has just proved he is a number 2

@Stocksy This Billy Mitchell pales in comparison to the one, true Billy Mitchell, Phil’s cousin, undertaker supreme and the undisputed King of Albert Square.

This bloke truly is a real life Disney Villain...

There is nothing with getting high score it's how he did it is the problem. And that he can never fixed or repair-the damage is done. Getting the score again proves nothing that those wanting to cheat will do it again. Cheating never pays off in the end and doing so only proves the naysayers right.

Weird that he doesn't share the channel they livestreamed from or the videos from that livestream. Just the picture of the game screen, him writing on the cabinet, and some quick photoshopped picture. Not saying he's lying here, just that he could do a little more to promote this.

But as others have said, his skill at DK was never in question...anyone can spend 2 days at that cabinet and start hitting those high scores if they do enough research. It's the initial deceit that's the problem.

No one denied Lance Armstrong can ride a bike really well, it was the deceit that people have a problem with.

@duffmmann
Exactly, I don't think many people questioned his skill and thought he was a fraud it was more him lying and being exposed. I feel like if he just came out and said it was M.A.M.E and then did this his image would look a lot better because it still doesn't make us not believe his original scores we're done on real arcade hardware.

@impurekind well, we can say for sure that he cheated. Because we know he cheated. He claims his tapes were switched, then claims he has evidence to prove this happened, then doesn’t let anybody see this evidence. All the while, everybody else has evidence which shows he cheated.

Just like Lance Armstrong, he was/is amazing at what he does. But he cheated to get to the top. And that’s why no one will ever take him seriously ever again.

Billy Michell's talent was never in question. Even his most vocal critics can acknowledge that he's a great player. My response to this recent great score is "so what?". We know he's great at Donkey Kong. Always has been. This does nothing to address the shady things he's been accused of.

Good for him. I give him credit for going back to it.

By all indications, Billy is a bit of an arrogant jerk, but he's nowhere near the "evil villain" that some in the community want to make him out as being. And honestly, i think he enjoys the villain rep a little bit, kind of like a pro wrestling heel.

Good on him for pulling this one off.

He's 53 years old. At this age you don't have the reflex or stamina of a 20 year old. Big kudos to Billy. Boruto cheated in the anime too but after he won based on his own strength

@JayJ still beats being good in 0 games

@Medic_alert Yeah. Maybe the only that do care are the others in that high score list.

Liked the movie King of Kong though. A rare glimpse into the world of classic arcade record keeping. Liked that guy who had hundreds of VHS tapes lying around with high scores to review. Must be quite a task.

For a second I thought this was an article about the character from Eastenders ha! 🤔

Billy brought upon himself all of the negativity that he himself grew. Nobody questions that he is good at playing the original Donkey Kong game. However his methods by how he got the scores that he then used to recognize his talent worldwide, those were in flaw. MAME was used by him. It does not matter if his scores in MAME were "legit" or not. If MAME was used, there is no way to prove that the score was untampered.
His reaction to the accusations is what caused all this problem. If he had stopped using MAME when MAME's flaws were discovered and MAME was dismissed, or if he had gone out of his way to admit and prove his skills elsewhere, this would not have been such a big situation.

He is now banned for life. Until he drops dead he is banned and that's my opinion. No extra lives no quarter refunds.

Just ignore him, eventually he'll go away.

@the_shpydar

Oh so he's just pretending to be an untrustworthy cheater?

Oh Billy, when will you realize that people will hate you regardless? They don't give a f*** about these meaningless records they never did they just hate your guts.

Who gives a rat's arse?

I love gaming but until the fiasco around him I never knew the guy existed let alone who he is.

I don't care he is the best DK player, his face and how he looks makes me not like him...

Another movie needs to be made! This story just keeps getting more wild!

@DockEllisD He's not comparing himself to Jesus. He's implying that there are lots of people that over-exaggerate to the point of sheer ridiculousness.

A capable athlete cheats in one race, they are still a cheat.

@Rayquaza2510 What a weird reason for not liking someone.

@WarpSpawn So, what you're actually saying is that you are entirely unforgiving?

@LordGeovanni Have you ever used MAME?

@goggles789 true but sometimes the way someone looks tells more about someone it should.

@RushDawg So, once someone messes up in your mind, there's no going back? Even if they redeem themselves?

@Rayquaza2510 Appearances almost always deceive, and are rarely a reflection of one's inner world.

@GammaPhonic So, proving that he can actually do the thing that he was accused of cheating doesn't mean anything?

@goggles789 No, not at all. Simply that cheating stains a person's record, even if it does not invalidate later accomplishments that are done without cheating.

@goggles789 you clearly missed the complete story. And how he tried to coverup it. That's where it stands he cheated and got caught.

@WarpSpawn That doesn't make sense. If someone potentially cheats, then later proves they can do what they do without actually cheating, it should outweigh the prior offense.

@SwitchForce I followed the original story. I think he more than made up for the prior offense.

@DockEllisD well, judging by his looks I’d wager Jesus is his role model lol

@goggles789
I have indeed used MAME before. In fact I was exploring the emulator technology after I found out about this story. But I am unaware of why you would need to know this information.

It does not matter if I have used MAME prior or not. MAME has other functions that allowed TASS like operations. You can pre-program a game. That immediately disqualifies it as a platform for speedrunning due to its potential to be exploited.

@LordGeovanni Even if there is video footage of the game operating in a normal function?

@goggles789 I've seen enough people in my life to tell that it sometimes says exactly how someone is, especially if the person in question undoubtly gives that feeling.

And just by looking at how he looks, acts, his attitude and small details like even that US themed tie for example... it just fits the image his "aura" shares.

I don't judge people by their look (look = aura, attitude, details ect, not clothing ect) but the 4 times I did before in my life I was right, not because of having that skill BS or something, purely because it's so obvious any person that looks 360° at someone without any judgent and knowlegde beforehand will see it.

And I'm not saying he is really a cheater like some say, I don't give 2 s**ts about his DK career, this is purely about him as what you see and how he acts ect.

Call me what you want, with some people and in this case with him is what you see is 100% what you get, he doesn't even care to hide it for quite obvious his pride about it (which in this case sadly is NOT a positive thing)

Btw talking about MAME, from my own knowlegde it's easy to also cheat real time on camera if you really want to and prepare yourself enough to make it look real, that platform allows that in same way as PC gaming would and I've seen plenty of those examples through years but those were used for entertainment only, not for proving skills or beating records (because that's officialy not possible, the machine makes the game easier or can even play it for you making you look like you yourself play it)

Sad truth current technology allows it.

@goggles789 Not really. The problem with that line of thinking, is that he did still cheat. He has not (to my knowledge) acknowledged cheating, let alone apologised for it. In cheating when he did, he likely maintained or increased a level of fame that he did not deserve at the time, having not accomplished the score legitimately. He may very well have benefited financially from it as well and could conceivably have caused others to lose both fame and money, by illegitimately overshadowing their scores.

Achieving the same score legitimately, years later, with more practice and experience, does not invalidate the past offence. Nor does it entirely prove that he was capable at the time, with practice and experience being a factor in most things.

@Rayquaza2510 Oh man, we got a psychic here....give me a break dude...

@WarpSpawn These comments are saying more about how unforgiving you are, than anything about a guy in a video game competition. Just admit that you have an irrational hate for the guy and move on. You arguing about it doesn't change the fact that he 100% validated his score.

@goggles789 wrong cheating is cheating and when caught not admitting to cheating that makes it worse. What part of that do you not get? Trying to revisionist history of his cheating that redoing it fixes it doesn't count.
Google "Cheat"
cheat
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating
1.act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
"she always cheats at cards"
2.avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.
"she cheated death in a spectacular crash"
synonyms: avoid, escape, evade, elude; More

Do we need to say more.

@goggles789 you don't need to be a psychic to know that, looking at people overall is enough.

You for example now act as if you're his fan, don't do that.

@SwitchForce He proved he can do it without cheating, so what's your point? Jealous?

@Rayquaza2510 I thought you don't judge by looks?

@goggles789 Hate? You got the wrong guy. I have no strong feelings about Billy or his score at all. I had not even heard of him until he got pulled from Twin Galaxies.

But no, a later, legitimate attempt can never validate an earlier accomplishment that is tainted by cheating. I don't much care whether we are talking about Billy or anybody else. And a person who wants to be forgiven for cheating could at least have the decency to ask, rather than continuing to act in a shady manner.

@goggles789 Hi Billy Mitchell

@WarpSpawn No redemption! Yeah! Go shake your fist elsewhere, dude.

@Boardumb Hi Billy Mitchell

@goggles789 How far off base you are here is comical. I am calmly expressing an opinion, not playing the keyboard warrior.

If he wants redemption though, he could at least acknowledge the prior wrongdoing.

@WarpSpawn He already proved himself, with video evidence. It's just so delicious how many people will just irrationally hate this guy over an old cheat video. Cracks me up, really. It's fun to poke the sheep, haha

@goggles789 he proved he could cheat that is a FACT. So stop being a advocate for him or is it a FACT you are him trying again to redeem someone who clearly doesn't want to redeem themself.

@SwitchForce lmao So the video of the livestream is a cheat? Are you wearing a tinfoil hat, too?

@goggles789
The emulator is merely an emulator. It can create video that appears to be a person playing the game. It is able to create video of the game software operating. That's all it can do, it's a tool. If a human was able to do perfect execution of reaction time and hitting the right buttons at the right time, then it would be possible for any person attempting to learn it in any capacity. That is the problem with TAS tools. If you willingly create a pre-programmed TAS, and please into the test only operations that a human can do, it is completely impossible to determine by video alone if it is a legit person playing or somebody overriding every mistake they make. That is the direct reason why any TAS capable emulator is banned.

@goggles789 We got a Paid Troll folks. Just put the troll on the banned list they can talk to the wall as they can't seem to see past the koolaid they are drinking.

@goggles789 I don't there is too much point in further attempts to reason with you and I strongly suspect that you are projecting here.

I acknowledge that he is a skilled player. I acknowledge that he is currently capable of achieving comparable scores to the ones that he apparently faked. I do not acknowledge that doing something without cheating invalidates a previous incident of cheating. I do not even see the need to acknowledge that he could have achieved those scores legitimately originally. The problem with having cheated is that it means we will never know.

@WarpSpawn Arm-chair diagnosis, incoming! lol

@LordGeovanni Even if there's a guy that monitors the set up of the emulator?

@goggles789 Doubtful. I simply find the diagnosis put forward by others to be sufficiently compelling, as to form the opinion that he cheated.

@SwitchForce The video speaks for itself.

@WarpSpawn It's just amazing how "right" he is in his tweet, lmao. You people will take it to the grave that he's just a bad, bad man.

@goggles789 I am really not even sure what you are responding to here. Certainly nothing that I have said.

But his tweet does not exactly endear him to me as a person. He was caught doing something wrong and rather than show contrition, he refers to his critics as "haters" and seeks to belittle what appears to have been a pretty thorough investigation. He does not come across as a particularly decent person, though I do not know much about him beyond the Kong score debacle.

@goggles789
It is possible to set up an execute code with somebody that is not familiar with MAME to perform the video. It is also possible for people that are there to aid him in executing the video to exploit people that he is showing the video. Regardless of anything, legit play or video created, MAME is prohibited. This is specifically to prevent discussions like this. To prevent exploitation, to prevent misleading commentary, to prevent dividing speedrun categories and fans. It does not matter if his run is legitimately done by a human in real time. If it was done in MAME, it is not capable of qualifying for speedrun category. In this case, Billy willingly ignored reports that MAME was being misused already and decided to have a speedrun using that emulator, with nature undeterminable (effectively I don't care if it's a real run or not), and then he systematically lied about it multiple times.

This is the guy who is literally capable of doing these things but stopped his car next to a rock to cheat even though he was in first place by several miles.

@WarpSpawn It's definitely got something to do with the code execution.

We need proof that those streams are on legit hardware. He's used arcades with the wrong internals before. Without hard proof, I can't believe anything this guy does.

@LordGeovanni Even if the game in question is no longer available on physical hardware or on a digital platform? Can we use MAME, then?

@goggles789 ? Can I put this down to the strain of trying to maintain multiple conversations at once? Does not seem to be responding to anything I have said.

@WarpSpawn Don't worry bruh, we got this.

@goggles789
MAME is prohibited. If every single Donkey Kong cabinet on the planet exploded killing 50 people each at this exact moment, MAME would still be prohibited. And there is physical cabinetry still in working condition that can be played on.

I cannot make this any more clearer. MAME is prohibited. Billy's problem is not that he used MAME. Billy's problem is that he concealed details, lied multiple times, and is continuing to lie to this day. His punishment was determined to be that he is banned for life. There is no overriding that, there is no appeal, he's already burned every chance he's had. Unfortunately it's his own fault for lying that got him caught. It does not matter if the MAME was in real time.

@goggles789 Reassuring, I am sure.

@LordGeovanni Man, you're strict! LMAO

@WarpSpawn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyWWz40-Vek

@goggles789 keyboard warrior alert.

Gonna make some sandwiches and coffee first, keyboard warriors are fun to watch.

I don't care about Billy Mitchell at all, even while I do have a opinion about him overall without counting his DK past, because I don't care if he's the best or a cheater, at this point thinking about the sandwich I'm going to make is more important...

However you should stop being a keyboard warrior, first because that makes you look silly and 2 Billy Mitchell gives probably as much about his haters as about people adoring him to a keyboard warrior level, you're waisting your time on him, your opinion of him should matter you only just like mine matter for me.

People don't care if you are his fan and so you shouldn't care about them hating him, I don't give a s*** if he cheated because I don't care about him, I care more about the game itself.

However and this is simple logic, if you're caught cheating but you didn't cheat then why try to hide it? It remembers me of my little sister when she took a candy when she wasn't allowed to, got caught and hide it she didn't do it.

There is in my own opinion not enough proof he does cheat or not, plus again my sandwich is more important at this point, however you need a Snickers because you're a hungry keyboard warrior.

(tuna sandwich with red onions, yum)

As for using MAME, it always allows cheating even if you play fair and don't use it, the option only is the reason why doing such runs on MAME to proof you have skills, even if you have them is stupid purely because you have that option to cheat and make it look 100% legit.

@goggles789
I am merely repeating the rules put in place to keep things Fair. The rules are strict in order to make sure everybody has equal opportunity to get the high score and to prevent everybody from trying to exploit the system. Billy willingly ignore these policies and then lied and covered up evidence numerous times to prevent his expectations from being found. It does not matter. He directly went against the policies and he was punished there for.

@WarpSpawn
He didn't apparently do anything. He actually faked the runs. There is hard proof in existance that he did.

@Rayquaza2510 I don't think you know what you're doing, Tails. pulls out sword at lightning fast speed I'm here to duel. Did you bring your sword, or are you just here to cower behind useless words, Tails? jumps 50 ft in the air, brandishing sword in whirlwind fashion Prepare yourself, Tails!

@LordGeovanni https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rXb8z5VYI4

@goggles789 keyboard warriors fight themself, because most people even if they react ignore their opinions purely because they are a keyboard warrior, and thus proving a keyboard warrior wrong is useless because their opinion no matter what will never change.

That's why they fight themself, they keep saying what they hope is the right thing no matter what.

Fighting a keyboard warrior is thus usless, their opinion will always be the same no matter what you do and say and no matter if you're right.

Btw fighting while eating is disrespectful to food....

@Rayquaza2510 Calm yourself, child.

@goggles789 I'm past that age sadly, calling someone a child because you don't share a opinion is a common keyboard warrior thing.

Again, Billy Mitchell doesn't care about you or me or our opinions about him, you waste your time on him and I waste my free time on you.

However that's my choice, no idea about you...

@Rayquaza2510 Nobody's fighting you dude, calm your chest area.

@goggles789 you started about a duel.

Btw don't call people a dude, the world is not male only fyi

@Rayquaza2510 It's okay Tails, it was a hologram.

No doubt these people playing at the million point plus level on Donkey Kong are talented, and have squeezed every last way to earn points out of the game, don't understand all the hate for Billy Mitchell, obviously he is talented at these classic games.

I wonder what the current highest score on the Switch Arcade Archives version is...

@goggles789 I wish I had a bag of popcorn.

@Rayquaza2510 Go to the store, bruh

@goggles789
Let me just say goggles, Billy is not a person that I respect. He is not a person that I hate. He is not anyone I have any interest in whatsoever.

But I am interested in speedruns. Billy has routinely made a mockery of speedrun boards, of judges, of the appeals process. He has willingly concealed information to present himself in a better light than is true. He willingly defies the rules and then expects special treatment.

If you particularly feel he's a good person, or that his runs are legitimate, or that you are his personal pool boy, I do not care. I only care that the competition is fair for Speed runs. And unfortunately MAME is prohibited for that purpose.

@LordGeovanni Hey, welcome! Glad you came back.

@goggles789
Where did I go?

@LordGeovanni Over there!

I don't think his ability to get these scores was ever in doubt. I mean, the man did legitimately become the first to get a perfect score in Pacman. The problem was with the fact that he did cheat at one point. That did unrepairable damage. The punishment should stand as a deterrent to any potential cheaters. No matter how skilled you actually are, if you decide to take a shortcut to a world record you are in the wrong and there are some heavy consequences.

@DonSerrot
I do agree with most of your point. I just want to reiterate one small part however. Billy was not banned for life for cheating. Billy was banned for life for the combination of cheating, lying about it, manipulating evidence and destroying evidence, and interfering with the investigation into the alleged cheating. I do believe that punishment should be held for anyone regardless of their pedigree. But a single mistake such as using the wrong emulator even if it is intentional would not have warranted being banned for life. It was his willingness 2 undermine the investigation and his willful destruction of evidence while continuing to lie that got him to this position.

@LordGeovanni here we go again. Another parrot for Billy. What part does one not get you cheated and got caught for cheating and tried to hide it. No one disputes his gaming experiences it's the cheating and lying about it that disqualifies one's Honor. He did the cheat no one asked him to do it. So let's get Facts straight He did this to himself and covered it up.

Yeah he’s probably not a total liar. But I wish his name was Billy Madison so I could tell him that Donkey Kong sucks.

@JayJ

Apart from the fact he had the world records in

Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong Jr
Ms Pacman
Burger Time

and is one of the worlds top players of Centipede.

He still an arse but lets not pretend he's only good at one game

@SwitchForce
Who are you talking to? Because at what point in any of my comments have I suggested that I was on Billy's side? The only thing I just stated was that Billy was not banned for life for merely cheating once or twice. I list it out all of the problems that he did. If at any point you suggest that I am supporting Billy in any comment I've made right now, please detail the exact comment number so I can explain to you why you're wrong.

@iN5OMANiAC
How many of those are legit though? I see at least one that isn't, and no site worth their salt recognizes his achievements in the others either.

Everyone is saying Mitchell cheated, but weren’t his scores all done at public events on machines supplied by the venues? I seem to recall Mitchell saying he had no idea what was inside the cabinets he was asked to play on.

That Mitchell has just reclaimed his old score seems to prove that regardless of whether he was given a MAME cab to play on in the past he always had the skill to do it.

@BulkSlash
He has successfully obtained scores similar to his high scores on system supply to him yes. However the original high scores that he set were not verified at sight and instead had to be recorded by video tape and then sent off for Authentication. Most of these tapes have since gone missing as well.

The dispute here is not over if he is capable of obtaining those scores. The discussion is on if he has cheated by utilizing the MAME software and if not why is he lying constantly.

Seen the headline and thought what that guy off EastEnders. Now that would be something

Sorry if this sounds naive but is using M.A.M.E. instead of the actual arcade board that much of a problem?

end of the day he cheated and has never apologised and never admitted it i personally don't like or dislike him he is clearly a very skilled player and didn't need to cheat but for reasons only known to him he decided to cheat and was caught and suitability punished for it

@Stocksy Don't be silly, Eastenders isnt that interesting.

The guy is definitely a class A [removed], but i don't think he is a cheater. Somebody definitely had a beef with him and wanted him to be disgraced.

_{Mind your language - Octane}

@goggles789 But the point was that he claimed to be the first person breaking a million. The only thing he's proven now is that he is one of many (five I believe) to break a million. That's certainly not the same thing.

Congratulations Billy Mitchell!

Billy Mitchell would kick Chuck norris' ass!!!

Once a Cheats gets caught your honor is no more. Fact. If you did on merit that is different but then fight back when caught Cheating that is obvious you can't take the Heat.

My question is, why do we still hold Donkey Kong as a bar of gaming skill in 2018?

@DockEllisD And just as fictional

@goggles789 Well, hello there, Billy! Why’d you do it? Fess up.

@Heavyarms55 It’s an incredibly difficult game to maintain an active session long enough to reach those scores. It requires years of experienced practice and mental fortitude to read, adapt and apply for the fluctuating rhythm of the active code. Lots of things are randomised as the session goes on, so surviving that long without hitting Game Over is indeed impressive

So, he is still considered the "King of Kong" despite he no longer holds the highest record? Also, he went out of his way to defend his internet fame, that's just sad. Caught cheating or not; time to move on with your life Mitchell.

@Antraxx777 You're the one defending him to death, so we should be calling you Billy!

@ReaderRagfish That's the Internet for you, NL included.

@ReaderRagfish welcome to NL. Dead horse central.

Billy Mitchell for President!! 😝

Slow news day

Does this guy have a life? Most people would have just said, "eh okay I cheated" and moved on and lived life.

@IHateTombs Fair enough. Watching that guy talk makes you glad he isn't a politician.

Why o why o why does he continue with this. Move along, you cheated the world knows you cheated. The end.

"supposedly `investigated`"
You mean by the people set up to do this AND YOUR OWN HAND PICKED TECH, WITH YOUR OWN HARDWARE? Or are you saying that also wasn't an investigation now? Can't have both.

The debate was never about if he could do these scores. Not now, not then. It was about ALL of the available evidence and hours - HOURS - of taped gameplay /that categorically was not from an arcade Donkey Kong board/ and even his own tech using the same gear couldn't dispute it in the end.

Billy waffles and hopes nobody actually pays attention to the facts that matter. There's a reason his own supposed proof that he did it all has never appeared. It's hard to provide imaginary evidence.

Fair play. He did it fair and square. Can’t take that away from the man, whatever your opinion of him may be.

Is he from Hong Kong?

I have had this discussion many times with others and it always gets heated but the facts remain it was not proven he cheated. Evidence was presented that shows a similarity to early Mame glitching that could be one possibility. DK boards also had a randomized issue that occurred after long periods of times when going for high scores. It was a known issue among players and it happened on some early boards. Obviously the "video" from the event is suspect as well.

The real problem with this whole situation is people are CSI'ing the crap out of what evidence there is after the facts have grown really cold and most true evidence had disappeared. This leads to incorrect conclusions. There are a number of things you have to examine about this:
1) Why did Twin Galaxies withhold evidence both for and against Billy Mitchell's record? They seem highly complicit.
2) If it is Mame, why did it take so long for people to figure it out?
3) Why would Billy Mitchell use Mame when it was known to have emulation issue in early versions? Surely this would cause problems.

There are other significant issues specifically in regards to the relationship between Twin Galaxies and Billy Mitchell.

Did he cheat? Possibly. There were always rumors around but who knows. There were always rumors around certain players.
Speed runs can be manipulated also. Did he fake his speed run? Who knows but the evidence is far from clear on anything.

@impurekind he has been been guilty of cheating (regardless of him denying it) and therefore he's score will be erased forever (doesn't matter if he now scored the same as the point that was erased as it was not about if he could do it or not but it boy about cheating

@Balta666 Well, I'm not a court of law, and I haven't seen all the evidence presented such that I can make my mind up either way if he's unequivocally guilty or not, and I expect neither have most people, but if he's legit achieved the score now, which appears to be the case, then it deserves to be officially recognized for what it is. I think the scoreboard should be there to recognize and show the best scores on the game, period, regardless of whatever politics are going on behind the scenes. If his score is legit and his legit score is not put on the scoreboard then it's not a legit scoreboard of the best scores of all time as far as I'm concerned.

@Zidentia stop Trolling for a Cheater. He destroyed evidence what part of this did you not get. If you were taken to court and did what he did cheat, destroyed evidence, and go on a ranting assaulting verbal rampage would the jury think you were innocent. As your closed mind seems to forget no one disputes one getting high scores. If your his paid Trolls give him your financial support as you obviously want to drink his koolaid.

This stuff reminds me of the baseball hof/records in regards to the rampant steroid use that went on in the 90/00's

He's like the Pete Rose of something far less significant and interesting.

This guy is a legend.

@SyntheticPerson I see you! Lmao!!!

@Balta666
Really though?
Twin Galaxies has stated that any new score of his wouldn't be recorded?

@impurekind as far as I know his score or any that he does moving forward are not considered due to cheating (as he has been expelled from the community) therefore it does not matter (the point is not if he can do it or not and has never been)

@Pod I believe so but even if that is not the case his previous score was world record therefore was on the records but the current one is not so this one does not go on the records anyway

@Retupmocnin He's from America. Didn't you look at his name which is American? :/

How this fellow manages to keep his glorious facial hair and fabulous mullet from going grey , like us poor mortals ?

@goggles789 That's not what I said. I said him getting a high score does nothing to address what he's accused of. If he addresses what he's accused of and takes responsibility for it, then I would personally not have a problem with giving him a second chance.

@SwitchForce
If you had an ounce of intelligence you would see I did not vouch for him, only for the lack of real evidence. I personally do not care for him but that has no bearing on the reality of it. It also appears you were not around when it originally happened since you lack the proper perspective in which to assess this situation. You are only regurgitating what others are saying. Stop calling a person a troll just because you lack an open mind to look at all of the evidence in an unbiased fashion.

If you did any research, or existed when this happened, you would know that there was another tape that Twin Galaxies acknowledged was lost but due to their questionable relationship with Billy Mitchell only admitted when confronted. They did see and judge the original tape and it was seen as qualified by their "official".
Twin Galaxies has had numerous issues with record keeping which was well known in the 1980s and they simply carried the empty title they professed to have into the following decades. Again I have no love for Billy Mitchell and even less for Twin galaxies.

This will be my last response to you or anyone since people cannot be civil or respectable anymore. Believe what you want , that is your right, and continue to live in ignorance like the lost sheep you seem to be.

@JohnnyC
Are you telling us you haven't been playing the exact same game for the past few decades?

@Rhaoulos I know, crazy!

@Balta666 Considering it a "community" rather than a proper independent and subjective world high scoreboard is not a great idea imo.

@BLD When your only possible outcome is him being a liar, there's not even a point in proving his innocence or guilt. You've branded him with zero evidence.

If you're that desperate to see whether the scores are/were true or false, you should've done the right thing and stalked him so you could see for yourself.

Not a fan of the guy but it's nice to see he can walk the walk after all.

@GammaPhonic The sad thing is "bad boy Billy" never did anything on the scale of wrong that "good guy Lance" did. Billy used an emulator that may-or-may-not have provided an advantage, and denied it, only to now duplicate that "maybe maybe not cheated" result on the real hardware. He got no or little money or celebrity out of it outside internet fame.

Lance had a complicated network of on-the-take physicians providing blood transfusions to mask his chemical enhancement to superhuman endurance for years, winning prizes, prestige, fame, and celebrity, worth millions, and would be entirely unable to do what he did without cheating.

Billy Mitchel is the true hero here. (Now I need to drink some bleach.)

@RushDawg He took responsibility for it by proving that he can get the score he was accused of cheating on. Are you backwards or something? Give the guy a rest. It's just a video game, bruh

@RushDawg Get off your high horse!

@judaspete Met him?

Wow, this one guy responsible for a quarter of the comments must be a really big fan of some old guy that's good at playing really old games. Who cares, man? No one's paying you for this.

@Blizzia

Zero evidence other than the evidence of his being a cheat and a liar? The evidence got all his prior scores revoked?

Sorry that I expect a higher standard of evidence from a known cheater.

@goggles789 Not questioning the guy’s skill (read: patience) at the game but it really is lame how he lied about the MAME thing.

@goggles789 Okay, you got me. I've never met the guy, but when he talks he comes off as pretentious and self aggrandizing. But its possible he's a nice guy who chooses his words poorly.

@goggles789

People with much more knowledge of the situation than you or I decided to ban him and strip him of all records. They didn't do this because he was totally innocent pal. Proving he can get a high score doesn't take responsibility for anything. That makes zero sense. How does his proof of a high score take responsibility for him playing on MAME and lying about it?

By your logic, a car thief can take responsibility for his car theft by proving he has enough money to buy the car.

@RushDawg You remind me of my character from Rogue Legacy that OVER-EXAGGERATES. Haha, dude by my logic (which you don't know a whit about) the car thief would atone through proving that he's trustworthy, not by having money in the bank. Which, Billy seemed to accomplish by proving that he can get his old score, legit. Why do you even care so much? His score is old hat, as the new record is a good 200,000 over it.

@iN5OMANiAC If I recall correctly, he was also an OG e-sports athlete (part of the US National Videogame Team - something like this, unsure of the actual name). Granted, it was more of an open-challenge, roving thing instead of organized sports back then, but Billy has proven his worth as a gamer even then.