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@Savino "I really dont see why people who already own wii fit plus would buy a new system and a new game that in the end of the day is the same?! "

Why don't you tell me what game series you like the most so I can tell you how every one of them is the same?

Don't really, the point I'm unsubtly trying to make is that if you don't like a game series and pay attention to it, every game in the series will seem the same. People say the same crap about COD or Zelda or Mario, or Assasin's Creed or Halo. It's only the people who care about the series that notice what's different about them.

@marnelljm Because the ps4 has NO BACKWARDS COMPATIBLY and the wii u has FULL BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY and lets you keep your saved games.

It's pretty obvious you just want to complain and aren't actually interested in learning what what you're saying is complete crap though, so I'm done bothering.

I mean seriously "Boo who, a game took nearly a year to make and it should have been done earlier because I said it should be." Nice arguments, there.

@DimetriWarrior Ninja'd sort of.

I was going to say that when they censor something they get based for being to strict, and now that they're not censoring something people are complaining about it. Really the same thing. No matter what they do people will just complain.

@marnelljm " My main issue was that it took them so long to create this when it should have been ready months ago."

Yes, the whole ten months between announcement and release has been so long. Surely, no other game has taken ten months to be done before. But yes, you truly are the final arbiter of what release dates things should have and I bow to your awesomeness. /sarcasm

"The fact that they do not have a unified account system after Microsoft and Sony have had them for YEARS just boggles my mind."

That doesn't even have anything to do with anything, Mr. out of left field poster. But in any case, just see how much that unified account system is helping people move their old games from ps3 to ps4.

@marnelljm So apparently you know all about a game that hasn't been released yet. Can I use your psychic powers for a minute? I was thinking of buying a 2016 Kia Rio when it comes out and wanted to know if it will have more leg room than the 09.

I definitely can't see how giving people more options could be a bad thing.

@hypercoyote Actually I did read them, and your post made it obvious that you were completely unaware that you can't actually turn off spotpass at the global level, and because you can't what @BrightBeing obviously meant was to turn off automatic downloads, and you replied that turning off that feature would be like getting rid of your email because you don't like spam. But yeah, it's totally me who looks silly. Sure.

'rolls eyes'

@hypercoyote Yes turning off the feature on your Wii U that is only for automatically downloading software to stop it from automatically downloading software is a totally unfeasible solution. /sarcasm

(In case you were unaware, the option is actually called "Automatic software downloads" and is a separate feature from Spotpass, which is enabled on a game by game basis, not through a global system setting.)

@DkFluttershyGuy

Link would be working with the Red Queen (who has Zelda imrisoned and will kill her if Link doesn't do as she says. And he knows she will because she destroyed his vocal chords) and Jafar would turn out to be Ganon.

Yes, I'm saying they would stick them in the spin off.

@Yamitora1 If that would have cost less that's what they would have done. Like @SMEXIZELDAMAN said, it must cost less because they can sell it for less. Unless you have evidence to support your argument, it's nothing but conjecture.

@unrandomsam " Not that expensive child friendly tablets such as the Nabi 2 (http://www.nabitablet.com/nabi2) are built to take a much higher level of punishment."

The guy this happened to was on gonintendo earlier. The 2ds fell down a flight of concrete stairs with no protector on it, and the screen bounced on nearly every stair on the way down.

If that thing can take that amount of damage any better, I'll eat my hat

"if you play it all the time directly in a row then it could be that it feels quite quick, and it finishes quickly, but then if you go and do all the sidequests it's quite a long game with a lot of content."

Sounds like Majora's Mask.

@eza You cana rgue all you want about wheather the game SHOULD be protected by copyright. The fact of teh matter is that it IS protected by copyright and other people need to respect that as long as it remains true. If you want copyright reform, elect a candidate that is for copyright reform. The fact that you don't agree with copyrights doesn't make breaking them ok.

And, yes, if Nintendo didn't protect this Mario game that is under copyright when someone did this, then that would set a precedent and allow someone who does this with a newer Mario game to point to it as proof that they don't care about enforcing their cpyrights anyway. That's the thing about IP, you only have it as long as you defend it.

The people who lost their trademarks on Kleenex, and Rollerblades, and Adrenaline would probably love to fill you in more.

@rjejr The router's DMZ basically is a specific IP that isn't behind the firewall. Basically, the Wii U needs certain ports open which causes connection issues if they aren't, and Nintendo hasn't released a specification that says which ones. Putting it in the DMZ opens all of them and stops the router's firewall from blocking it.

Google how to do this for your model of router. It's not all that hard. I have basic computer experience and was able to figure out how to do it with some googleing in about 15 minutes.

@MadAussieBloke is also correct that the Wii U does seem to suffer from interference more than other devices though. Having it at least 3 feet from other wi-fi devices may also go a long way to solving connection issues.

@rjejr @ThomasBW84
Putting the Wii U in your router's DMZ will clear up most internet issues with it.

@CountWavula

This isn't the 90's. Sega and Nintendo are partners in this, with Nintendo even publishing the game in PAL regions. They are NOT in competition with each other.

@Darknyht Opinions are opinions, but I should point out that the size (and even specific design) of the master sword has NEVER been consistent between games. Aside from a few basic similarities, it looks completely different from one game to the next. Sure, the Wind Waker sword looks a lot smaller, but considering the strange proportions some people and monsters have in the game I think it's fair to just call that part of the art style and move on.

http://nintendo-okie.com/2011/12/19/the-master-sword-through-the-years/

Also, OOT Link was also 10-12 and had sexual innuendos thrown at him in both the games he appeared in.

@GuardianKing And so do congress. You know, the people who are actually responsible for it because they won't pass a budget unless they can defund a program that congress passed, President Obama ran his re-election campaign on passing, and the supreme court decided was constitutional. But they don't care because none of this affects them. Congressional districts are so gerrymandered that none of the congressmen responsible for this have any change of actually losing an election, and they get paid regardless of what kinds of cuts go on.

My impression of @Pachterkid:

"Nintendo sucks! And you can tell I have a life because I spend all of it on Nintendo sites saying Nintendo sucks instead of just finding something else to play!"

There. Think I nailed it.

@theadrock13 Rumour has it as a holiday 2014 release, which works out to a 2.5 year development time, which is right in line with development times for modern AAA games, which comes back to you can't crap out a AAA title in a weekend.

They COULD have released a new Zelda game for Christmas. And it would have been half finished and crap. That would surly do good things for the Wii U.

It's not the 1980's any more. Games take time to make.

Nintendo sent pamphlets to Brazil telling shop owners there that anyone who breaks the release date won't get copies of games until the day of release from now on. They should follow through on that. And pursue fines where contracts have been made. People can say they're making a big deal out of nothing all they want and try to say Nintendo is the bad guy for going after them, but these companies had contracts set up and deserve whatever they brought down upon themselves by breaking them.

@SanderEvers Yeah, one or two days isn't so bad. But some stores broke the release date weeks ago. I should also point out that "who can blame me?" isn't going to hold up in court when you get sued for breach of contract.

@theadrock13 Because a good game isn't something you can crap out in a weekend. That's why.

@Falco
Yeah, I just checked the specs on the two TV's you gave model numbers for and they both allow it. And every Phillips model allows it. Stop talking out YOUR "arsh" and learn how to operate your TV. Then all these problems caused by your own stupidity will disappear. But since you've resorted to insults and insinuating I'm poor, I know you don't have an argument and are just trolling.

And for the record, I have 3 HDTVs in my house right now that all allow that. It's in the aspect ratio settings. Learn to use them.

@Falco That's funny, because EVERY hdtv I have ever owned or looked into owning CAN be put into 4:3 when running in 1080p. Please tell me the mythical model of tv you are using that doesn't let you.

@Jellitoe
"I know its not the popular thing to say, but if you get no, on inadequate 3rd Party Support on the Wii U, it is Nintendo fault for not getting any system sellers out within the launch of the console."

You might have an argument if Sony AND Microsoft hadn't been able to build their consoles' user bases nearly entirely on the backs of third party games for the last 3 generations and Nintendo wasn't the only company expected to build a user base without any help before third parties will touch the system.

You might also have a point if Nintendo hadn't released the best selling console of all time, with the highest attach rate of its generation, and STILL not gotten much third party support for it.

You may also have a point if Nintendo didn't have the best selling dedicated gaming device right now that was still getting lackluster 3rd party support compared to a handheld that is selling on par or worse than the Wii U.

But as those things are all things that have happened, I'm calling BS on your entire argument.

@KingofSaiyans Then show some self control and don't? I don't see why not buying something is so hard. No one's forcing you.

@Falco "And don't talk to me about transferring games over from Wii because I don't like playing stretched games.".

Well you could always have just adjusted your tv's aspect ratio settings to 4:3 and not had to play them stretched, but they fixed that problem in the latest Wii U update anyway. And god forbid you pay a dollar to get new added features even though you can just skip the added features and not pay for the upgrade if you want. rolls eyes

@ChosenOne25 "Nobody should be complaining here, you are getting a 3rd party AAA game on a Nintendo console that smartly uses the gamepad's features."

And costs 40% more than the EXACT SAME GAME on other consoles. Yeah, I'm gonna complain about that. Thanks.

@Samurai_Goroh

That's great for you guys in the UK, but not true here in NA.

It's $50 compared to $30 on other platforms.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_8?url=search-alias%3Dvideogames&field-keywords=deus%20ex%20human%20revolution%20directors%20cut&sprefix=deus+ex+%2Cvideogames%2C222

@CaviarMeths "arguably, $8 is a bit of steep price point for an SNES game."

No it really isn't. That's less than my local pre-owned game shops and pawn shops sell ANY snes game for (aside from the sports titles that flood the used market so sell for, like, a dollar).

@WiiLovePeace
"Well, technically yes, since you own a license to play the games from the disc on your Wii system, not a license to play them digitally on a PC..."

Actually, no. Whatever any "licence agreement" says you have every legal right to make a backup copy of a game you own and use that copy as you see fit for your own personal use. But you have to rip it yourself, downloading a copy is illegal whether you own the original or not.

@eza "Again, I'm not a lawyer or legal expert, and I have no idea whether a legal precedent has ever been set or not, but I'm not sure whether even the act of clicking 'I agree' actually constitutes a legally-binding contract."

EULAs like that have only been found to be legally binding in a handful of states in the US. Most of the world doesn't recognize it as such. The way Nintendo and other gaming companies do it don't even conform with legal requirements to make it binding in those States, either. Nintendo includes the licence agreement with the System, and other companies point you to a website on the box, but the requirment is that the software itself include a copy of the licence agreement and a way to return it to the manufacturer if you don't agree to it.

They're charging 20 bucks more for the Wii U version than for other versions for no reason. No buy from me until I can get it the same price as on the 360 and ps3

@sinalefa Don't forget introducing brand new bugs in the patch that need fixing and never getting around to fixing some of the original bugs even after 50 gajillion patches. That's the Bathesda way!

@TrueGamer1985

"Another waste chance for Nintendo to shine the Wii U and this is the best they got? Delays and garbage Directs and now trying to be greedy in the software market by making this travesty thinking it going to make them more money like taking candy from the kids and its so easy for the parents that don't know beans about video games nor the handheld department that buy any game eternal sadness. What happened with the Wii U trying to get more better sales Nintendo, it seems like they don't give a crap anymore and trying to keep they software market afloat rather than the Wii U being successful."

???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mDTLphIVY

@JogurtTheYogurt The old sonic games on the 360 ALSO have a proper AR of 4:3. (for simplicity's sake, anyway. Sega Genesis games aren't actually in a standard aspect ratio. Here's the offical pictures, look for yourself http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Sonic-The-Hedgehog-2/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410863) If you're playing them stretched than you're ruining the picture. That's not a "Fanboy" statement, that's a statement of someone with eyes that work.

Actually updating a game to 16:9 AR means reprogramming it for that AR which means you are re-directing the game which in a very literal sense means it isn't the same game anymore. For more on letterboxing see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m1-pP1-5K8

Also, you were never "upscaling it to full hd" you were stretching it to an AR it shouldn't be in and ruining the picture. If you can't see that, I suggest visiting your eye doctor.

@JogurtTheYogurt "The game is finished i cant understand why they are doing this ."

Yeah, no it isn't. Unless you work at Nintendo and know this for a fact it's not true.

"Also the Wii U update has butchered the Wii`s emulation NES games are like are almost microscopic. Why on earth have Nintendo altered the resolution on the Wii Virtual console games ?"

Yes darn them for making games play in their original aspect ratio like they're supposed to.

I take it you're one of those people who watches TV stretched and doesn't see the problem.

@StarDust China is a sovereign nation that does not recognize copy right law, and has the right not to if it so choses. You don't like it? Tough.

Good news for Nintendo. They already have brand recognition there.

@Chris720 My understanding is that they outsourced programming for online to a developer who has no experience in coding for the Wii U so they just didn't bother doing it.

@Bengals76
ITP: A handful of studios all of which are owned by EA or haven't made anything for a Nintendo console since the NES are "everyone."

I own one too. And a bunch of games for it. And more than half of those games are third party. Yep "no one" is supporting it.

@ThomasBW84 Neither is correcting an obviosu spelling mistake for the sole purpose of being antagonistic, but that didn't stop you.

@Bliquid "Then came the void of games, the price drop, the continuous delays of the games i wanted, the ever lasting lack of an independent account,the region lock, the uncertainty to be able to play interesting games coming from Japan, the archaic OS, the pathetic battery and other minor issues."

Way to list the same problem multiple times to pad out your list. Effective argument that.

"So many series left in a dark they don't deserve; gimme Metroid, Starfox,F-Zero,Earthbound. Stop thrusting Mario down my throat."

A series that had a new game 3 years a go, a series that has sold like balls since the N64 and a series that's come to a natural conclusion. What a totally legit list of series to complain about not getting a continuation to. Only in the world of Nintendo does not getting a release in a couple years make people think a series is dead. -shrug-

"For now, all i see is too many average Mario games, sequels to games i don't give a damn about, remakes, ports and 1 game that COULD be interesting (X)."

Yes the two Mario games for the Wii U are totally overdoing it, and you can totally tell that an unreleased game is "average." As for sequels, you don't care about new Pikmin, Zelda, Bayonetta, Sonic Racing, Assisn's Creed, the Lego Games series, Rayman, Donkey Kong Country, Sonic, COD, Splinter Cell, Mario Kart, Monster Hunter, Oddworld, Pokemon Rumble OR Tekken Tag tournament? Have you ever actually played a video game in your life?

As for no interesting games that aren't sequels or ports, A Hat in Time, Child of Light, CLoudberry Kingdom, Disney Infinity, Injustice, Project Cars, The Wonderful 101, How To survive, and Zombi U (Unless you cound Zombi U as a Sequel to Zombi, but I don't think it's meant to be).

I'm just scratching the surface here. The tired argument that there's nothing to play on the Wii U and nothing exciting coming is, if I may be polite, CRAP.

"What Wii Sports Club shows, in addition, is that a good old naming convention of Wii HD or Wii 2 may have been better suited to the market."

Yes, people thinking the Wii U is just a Wii in HD would totally have been avoided if they had called it the Wii HD. -facealm-

@unrandomsam @ueI Also Shigeru Miyamoto was one of the general producers on the games with Hiroshi Yamauchi himself was the game's executive producer. And Nintendo had final say as to what did and didn't make it into those games.

A game like this is still considered first party.

@GamerJunkie

So true. Nintendo totally didn't publish the Last Story or Pandora's tower or a Zelda game or two of the highest rated Mario games of all time since Wii Fit came out. And that's just the start of things they totally didn't publish. They totally only make exercise games now. What a completely logical, and might I add completely not idiotic, comment you made.

@GamerJunkie Wow. Everything you said was objectively wrong. Way to go.

@Peach64 didn't show up to try to say how this shows Nintendo is doomed? Now I'm just sad.

@sinalefa Pretty much.

@Peach64
"I've just had a quick google and it looks like its only a best buy exclusive in Canada which is the exact same situation for 360 and PS3."

No it isn't the same situation for the others. I live in Canada. You can get the 360 and PS3 versions in Walmart here and could preorder them. You can't with the Wii U version. Best buy also actually had copies of the 360 and PS3 versions. Getting mine was a nightmare.

" No. I'm not blaming Wii U owners for their taste in games."

"what are Wii U owners buying? ... Splinter Cell did under 5k and nobody can blame it being a late port this time."

Yeah, you sort of were. You said a 10% attach rate was nothing. And you're still going by the logic of "10% of Wii U owners buying something means they don't support third parties, but 10% of Xbox owners buying something means they do. herp derp"

"but people can't get mad at publishers for dropping Wii U support when every Wii U game they release loses them money."

Yes, you can. The reason you put games on unproven platforms like the Wii U isn't to make money on the initial sale. It's to get the console to a point where there are enough users to make money from it. Only everyone expects Nintendo to do that on their own and so give us crap versions of ports while letting Sony and MS s build their consoles on the backs of third parties without having to do anything to get their support. If third parties actually released games on the system that were just as worth buying as on other consoles, and didn't keep stripping Wii U exclusive of exclusivity, more people would buy the thing and then they'd have a chance to make money on it.

@Peach64 300k overall is the same percentage of people who bought it for Wii U. So, by your logic, when "only" 10% of Wii U owners buy something, that's proof that Nintendo owners won't support third party games, but when "a whopping" 10% of XBOX 360 owners buy something, that proves that they do. Flawless logic. /sarcasm

It's an attach rate. The same percentage of people bought it for both systems. And that's a number you said was no one in the first place.

If they want the Wii U attach rate to be higher than other versions, they have to make it attractive for Wii U owners to buy it, which means not releasing it with fewer features than the other versions and not throwing roadblocks in the way of people who want to buy it like they did with this.

But they still have to be realistic. The best selling game on the best selling system right now has an attach rate of 25%. Using your own numbers, even if the had an attach rate like that, they would have made 750,000. If they budgeted more than that on the game then they are just stupid.

But if you feel like defending Ubisoft some more, please tell me how not allowing the Wii U version to be preordered, making it a Best Buy exclusive, not shipping to most Best Buy stores, not having any TV ads that state it's a Best Buy exclusive, having TV ads that don't even show it's on the Wii U, having some locations sell it for a higher price than the other versions, and limiting the online stock of the game were meant to help the Wii U version sell better. That's something I'd like to see.

@Peach64 No one bought Splinter Cell for ANY console. The Wii U version actually enjoys an attach rate on par with the XBX 360 version. And keep in mind, that's with roadblocks being thrown in the way to make it harder to buy it on the Wii U in the first place.

Things like the Wii U version being Best Buy exclusive while no other version was (and even though it was Best Buy exclusive, few Best Buys carried it. I had to purchase it online after looking in 3 Best Buys and them not having it), and the game not being offered for pre order in Canada, and having TV ads that said it was only on ps3 and 360 surly hurt the Wii U version's sales. When you take all that into account it did amazingly, since Ubisoft was seemingly intent on setting it up to fail.

@RickyNGmr The patch doesn't do a thing to fix online connection issues and freezes, which are the number 1 complaint when it comes to glitches in the Wii U version. (These glitches are Wii U exclusive )

@DerpSandwich

"Look, you can argue each and every game I mention, but you're not changing my opinion."

Way to go. Now everyone knows not to bother replying to you, since you won't change your opinion even if everything you were basing it on is shown to be objectively wrong. Nice one.

@Peach64 30% isn't a number now? He said directly that 30% f animal crossings sales were digital.

@WiiUExposed good job looking at the year it was released as if it means something and discounting that both examples were the respective comany's first try at mass digital marketing.

@people complaining about no unified account system: Yes, that would solve everything and give you total piece of mind, since the Xbox 360 and PS3 will totally let you transfer your digital purchases to the xbox one and PS4 because they have account systems, right? ... Right?

I'd like to have a unified account system for the wii u and 3ds as well, but it's not something that's a deal breaker for me, especially considering what the other companies are doing to the people who upgrade their consoles.

@Kirk

"Dude,
I'm not trying to trick you or anything.
I simply type a quick response and then go in and expand on it.
I do it with virtually every single post I make."

Yeah. Don't do that. If the thing you wanted to say wasn't important enough to say in the first place, make a new post to say it. And in the event that you do edit an old post, it should be made clear to any new reader where the edits are. Failing to do so is incredibly intellectually dishonest, no matter what your actual intent may have been.