"It's not up to EA to sink cash into WiiU to try and float it. That would be up to Nintendo... It's all. Entirely. Nintendo's. Fault."
You said a lot of stuff that's just plain wrong, so I'll restrict my response to the most wrong thing you said.
Everyone always says that Nintendo has to produce games to sell their own system, but allow Sony and Microsoft to sail by with third parties doing most of their games. Microsoft especially, sells their consoles nearly entirely on the strength of third party games and get a blind pass. So tell me why Nintendo is expected to carry their systems single-handedly, but not Microsoft and Sony.
Also EA deciding that they weren't going to release some games that were done and ready to be released for no real reason, Ubisoft delaying a finished game in order to strip it of exclusivity (even though sales figures hadn't even come in yet when this decision was made), and Squaresoft stripping a future elusive of exclusivity and charging Wii U owners twice the price for the same game certainly are contributing factors to the Wii U's current sales problem, whether you choose to admit that or not.
I assumed he meant The Last Story. And he was wrong about it being third party. It was only published by a third party in NA. It was developed by a third party house, but Nintendo owns the IP, had huge amounts of input into its creation, funded it, and the CEO of Nintendo is the game's executive producer. It doesn't get much more first party than that.
And now that I think of it, Pandora's tower is actually co-developed by Nintendo, so it's first party game too. I guess geometry wars is the only 3rd party game he has for the wii.
1. The free market has decided that people will be willing to pay over $100 for these games.
2. Gamestop is selling them for between $80 and $90.
3. Selling at the low end of what the market has shown people will pay for them makes Gamestop the bad guys now.
Yep. That's solid reasoning. /sarcasm
You can say what you want about a lot for Gamestop's policies, but this is honestly one of the most idiotic, whiniest complaints I've ever heard. If it's too much, don't buy it. If enough people won't buy it at that price, the price will drop. That's how a free market works.
@Shane904 @shinpichu Under American law, if you sell a device that can be used to violate copyright, that's fine as long as it has legitimate uses.
However, if you know about people using it to violate copyright and you encourage that behavior, you are just as guilty of copyright infringement as the pirate in the eyes of the law.
Here's a delightful quote from their faq: "A: No it is not illegal, however the software you put on the R4 may be. The cards themselves aren't illegal because there's plenty of things that are legitimately free for them. It's the actual ds games that you download that are illegal. Backups and NDS roms are a touchy subject. If you don't own the game usually a back up is illegal. According to the law, you are allowed to have the software/games (ROMS) as long as you have purchased and own the original copy of the game."
Bold mine for emphasis. They know people are using it to download games they don't own and don't speak out against doing so, they just say that it is "usually" illegal to do so.
Their website also says they offer "post sale assistance," which means their employees have more than likely been helping people to get their pirated games to run.
@dumedum Which is why in "The Last Story", a first party Nintendo game, there's scenes where the heroes assist knights who are killing unarmed women and children.
This isn't the 90's NOA isn't afraid of lawsuits like they were before the ESRB came around. Now the big "M" on the side of the box shields them from responsibility if kids play the game. You did know fear of lawsuits and bad press was why NOA did that crap, right?
@LordJumpMad Please let me use this crystal ball you have that lets you know everything about a game that won't be released until next year and that we have next to no actual info about. I'd like to use it to find my TV remote.
Yeah, no. I'm a self admitted Nintendo fanboy, and I'll freely admit that the PSX has a much more extensive library with overall better games. The n64 is a great system with a lot of good stuff on it, but its library pales in comparison to the psx.
Also, the N64 was the start of the problems that plague Nintendo to this day. Squaresoft refused to work on the console at all, Nintendo's refusal to switch to disks pissed off more third parties, and even though the system was more powerful, the limited cartridge space of games limited devs who wanted to make large games.
Because of this, what little multiplatform titles there were on it were usually worse than the PSX's.
Lastly, using the release of the Gamecube as the end of Nintendo? Really? The Gamecube failed to sell because of the image problem it had, caused mostly by anti marketing on behalf of Sony and Microsoft, but made many great games in that time.
Pikmin, Metroid Prime, Super Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, Smash Bros Melee, the list goes on. The Gamecube has some of the best games Nintendo ever produced on it.
Sony and Microsoft don't have any exclusives I care about, and 99% of multiplats worth playing come to the pc. And a middling pc will be better for them than any console anyway.
I think I'll do just fine without a PS4 or Xbox One, thanks.
@Doma The games Nintendo's offering don't need online to be viable. In fact, this game doesn't need it either. So you're missing the point entirely, probably just to troll.
The problem isn't the lack of online play. It's that the Wii U version lacks a feature the other versions are getting for no apparent reason, but is being sold at the same price anyway.
Read the quote again. That's not what it says... at all. And the same goes for whoever approved the title of this article too, as it's wildly misleading.
What it actually says for those who couldn't be bothered to actually read it, is that they had to move people from Wii U development to 3ds development as a result of the earthquake and that's why there were so many delays of launch games for the Wii U.
The way people will twist a simple statement of fact like that into "blaming sales on a natural disaster" is both infuriating and idiotic.
@TromboneGamer "Good news: Call of Duty Ghosts is coming to Wii U just like BO2 did. Guess what? We won't port any DLC over because you're only worth the initial buy in. -Activision every year. ... Been the same story since Wii."
You do know that large DLC wasn't actually possible on the Wii, right? BO2 is the only game where they've done this deliberately. Still crappy, but have some perspective, it's one game.
@taffy The "nightmare" Capcom was having was that Nintendo found a bunch of bugs in their game and wouldn't let them release it until they fixed them. The other platforms let a buggy game on their consoles without quality control and Nintendo doing their jobs makes them the bad guys. Sure. -rolls eyes-
I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was the reason for the Injustice delay as well.
@element187 Way to attempt to derail the conversation with partisan bickering in a non-political topic. Ever think of just ignoring him? Or reporting his message to the mods?
@JaxonH You forgot to mention that if you buy a Japanese console you can use the Japanese eshop on it. If you make all your Japanese purchases on the eshop, the cost you save in shipping alone will pay for the console.
@ferthepoet If your machine is damaged, they most certainly will transfer the eshop profile. If your system is stolen, they will do so if you filed a police report and can prove it was stolen. If it was lost, you're SOL. Keep track of your stuff is what I say. It's not like they don't warn you about that constantly.
(The TOS say what happens if you lose your system, as well as the Eshop itself the first time you use it, and a warning pops up whenever you add funds that says pretty much the same thing.)
@Kirk Ah the pointless one liner. The penultimate go to for he who actually doesn't have an argument anymore. That's where you go right before tying to discredit some's argument based on grammar. Well I'm calling this a win. Byesies.
And again you add crap to your post later. If it wasn't worth saying the first time, it wasn't worth adding either. Also this model is the one Nintendo has always used. Last I checked, they were a video game company around in the 90's.
@Kirk No. Only a small minority is complaining about the price.
A bad business man would be one doing things that are less profitable based entirely on the whining of a vocal minority on the internet.
Edit: Since you added crap to your post entirely for the purpose of making my response look bad, I'll add that my position isn't contrary to your "mantra". Satisfying customers doesn't mean satisfying all customers. That's impossible. Selling at the highest possible price that you can without losing too many is the business model of 99% of businesses.
I studied business at the Mohawk College School of Business. If you're not just lying and you actually got a degree, they should revoke it going by the crap you're spewing here.
@Kirk You're the one dictating prices they should sell things for. Tell me what business school you went to. I'm guessing none, because the answer to your question is actually "We want to sell it at the highest highest price we can sell it for without losing so many customers that the higher price is less profitable. "
They don't care that they didn't sell to you personally, because they've sold to millions of others who were willing to pay the price and have made more money on each sale then they would have under your model, and presumable more money overall.
Again, if you don't want to pay what they're selling it for, then don't buy it. Whining about the price on the internet is just childish, however.
@kirk And again, they can charge whatever they want for them and what you feel they should charge is irrelevant. If you think they're too expensive don't buy them. Simple solution.
@Kirk It is "much cheaper" than the physical version. The physical version's MSRP was 69.99. 10 bucks is 1/7th that. As of the minute I'm writing this the cheapest copy of the physical game on ebay is $142.64. Nearly 14 times as much.
Any way you slice it, what you're saying doesn't hold water if you actually think about it for more than two seconds.
@Kirk It doesn't mater how old the game is. Nintendo owns the copyright and trademark on it and can sell it again at whatever price they feel like. Just because it's old doesn't mean the right holder doesn't deserve to make money on it. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's descendants are still making money on Sherlock Holmes books that were written nearly 100 years ago. I guess in your mind his rights holders don't deserve money for those book sales either.
If you don't wanna pay for it, don't. But don't act like they're committing some kind of crime. They don't have to release the game at all if they don't want, and they could have charged more. There are plenty of people who would have gotten it for $20.
@nerdydan Yes, Nintendo never publishes mature games. That's why the first Final Fantasy, Perfect Dark, the Fire Emblem Series, Killer Instinct 2, Goldeneye 007, Sin and Punishment, Eternal Darkness, Baten Kaitos, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, and Ninja Gaiden 3 were not published by Nintnedo.
This is also why Nintendo is definitely not publishing Bayonetta 2 and X.
To all those who think Nintendo would take control and put a stop to darker themes in Atlus's games, I will point out that "The Last Story" is a first party Nintendo game that in one of its darker scenes has the heroes assist in the slaughter of unarmed women and children.
@Legromancer The Zombii U bundle came out after these sales figures were known, and you could have easily looked to see what was on the console when you bought it. If you really feel that way and aren't just trolling, you have no one to blame but yourself.
@Kirk "So how come the figures are so low compared to every other console that's selling right now?"
Nintendo has never really sold that great compared to its competition. In the SNES gen there was really only Nintendo and Sega, and the SNES only barely won despite SEGA shooting themselves in the foot constantly over the console's final 2 years. The N64 was crushed by the Playstation, and we all know how the gamecube went. The Wii was the outlier.
If the past is anything to go by, they'll sell a decent amount of systems and be profitable, but won't win. Which is fine because "winning" doesn't really get you much anyway.
Funny thing is that Ubisoft is part of the reason the Wii U is performing so poorly.
Rayman Legends was complete and ready to be shipped and they delayed it for the sole purpose of stripping it of it's exclusivity. That game would have sold systems.
I love Ubisoft and their games, don't get me wrong, but deciding that a system isn't worth putting your exclusive title out 4 moths into its life before official sales numbers have come out was idiotic.
@Kirk "Is this the slowest selling Nintendo home console ever in it's first year?"
Not really. The last confirmed sales numbers for it were from March, 5 months into its life, when they had sold 3.45 million.
It's hard to geta list of 5 month sales figures for older consoles, but according to the following graph, by roughly the same points in time the SNES had sold 3.4 mil, The N64 sold between 2.7 and 3.8 million, the Gamecube had sold about 3 million, and the Wii had sold about 4 million.
People are acting like this is the worst fist year for Nintendo, but it's not true. It's actually right in line with the averages of the other consoles they've released. Considering that the first three of those named consoleds had a lot less competition, I'd say the Wii U is actually doing fine. Especially when you consider how few first party titles have hit it so far.
Nobody who watches the show regularly would call this unfair. They word things like that to trip you up deliberately. It's part of the game. Them's the breaks.
I guarantee the bug that Nintendo sent it back for is on all the other vesions too. Hell, I've heard that the steam version is a buggy mess.
This is why Nintendo's code approval is so stringent. They want games on their system to work properly, even if that means they are delayed.
I can't believe the attitude people have now that making games work on launch is a bad thing. I'd rather wait and have the game work when I buy it than try to play a buggy game until they get around to fixing it (which they might not bother doing since they have your money already anyway).
The bashing should be going to everyone else for not finding it.
@PattonFiend Yeah I know right. Nintendo totally hasn't published any games for older players sine 1985 at all.
Yep, the Metroid Series, the Fire Emblem Series, The Wars Series, and The Sin and Punishment Series definitely don't exist.
And Nintendo also didn't publish the first Final Fantasy game, the SNES version of SimCity, Killer instinct 2, Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, or Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge.
And they certainly aren't publishing Bayonetta 2 either.
How do they get away with never making any games for older gamers?
You know what? I'm just going to say it again. There was no reason for Ubisoft to ever believe this game would sell more than half a million units. If the game's budget had reflected that they would have made money on it.
If the 3rd best selling game on a console (Zombii U) doesn't make money when the 4th and 5th best selling games (Monster Hunter and Lego city) made a profit and are considered smash hits by their development companies and publishers, then the problem is with the company that set the game's budget, not the sales.
Didn't sell well my bunnytail. It has about a 15% attach rate! Lego City sold fewer units, and it made a profit. If Zombii U really wasn't profitable, it's because the game's budget was too high, not because of sales.
@Burning_Spear Considering that the top sellers for the 3ds and Wii u are Super Mario 3D Land and New Super Mario Bros. U respectively (if you don;t count the bundled in Nintendo Land) and New Super Mario Bros. Wii was the 5th best selling Wii game, I thin it's fair to say that YES tehre are a lot of people who want Mario games.
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Re: EA Executive Repeats That The Company is "Platform Agnostic", Cites "Tremendous Relationship" With Nintendo
@Sceptic
"It's not up to EA to sink cash into WiiU to try and float it. That would be up to Nintendo... It's all. Entirely. Nintendo's. Fault."
You said a lot of stuff that's just plain wrong, so I'll restrict my response to the most wrong thing you said.
Everyone always says that Nintendo has to produce games to sell their own system, but allow Sony and Microsoft to sail by with third parties doing most of their games. Microsoft especially, sells their consoles nearly entirely on the strength of third party games and get a blind pass. So tell me why Nintendo is expected to carry their systems single-handedly, but not Microsoft and Sony.
Also EA deciding that they weren't going to release some games that were done and ready to be released for no real reason, Ubisoft delaying a finished game in order to strip it of exclusivity (even though sales figures hadn't even come in yet when this decision was made), and Squaresoft stripping a future elusive of exclusivity and charging Wii U owners twice the price for the same game certainly are contributing factors to the Wii U's current sales problem, whether you choose to admit that or not.
Re: Video: Snazzy New Trailer Shows Off Wii U Exclusives
@jpfan1989
I assumed he meant The Last Story. And he was wrong about it being third party. It was only published by a third party in NA. It was developed by a third party house, but Nintendo owns the IP, had huge amounts of input into its creation, funded it, and the CEO of Nintendo is the game's executive producer. It doesn't get much more first party than that.
And now that I think of it, Pandora's tower is actually co-developed by Nintendo, so it's first party game too. I guess geometry wars is the only 3rd party game he has for the wii.
Re: Soapbox: 'Vintage' Used Game Prices Do Nothing to Encourage Customer Loyalty
So let me get this straight.
1. The free market has decided that people will be willing to pay over $100 for these games.
2. Gamestop is selling them for between $80 and $90.
3. Selling at the low end of what the market has shown people will pay for them makes Gamestop the bad guys now.
Yep. That's solid reasoning. /sarcasm
You can say what you want about a lot for Gamestop's policies, but this is honestly one of the most idiotic, whiniest complaints I've ever heard. If it's too much, don't buy it. If enough people won't buy it at that price, the price will drop. That's how a free market works.
Re: Nintendo Opens Legal Proceedings Against HackYourConsole.com
@Shane904
@shinpichu
Under American law, if you sell a device that can be used to violate copyright, that's fine as long as it has legitimate uses.
However, if you know about people using it to violate copyright and you encourage that behavior, you are just as guilty of copyright infringement as the pirate in the eyes of the law.
Here's a delightful quote from their faq:
"A: No it is not illegal, however the software you put on the R4 may be. The cards themselves aren't illegal because there's plenty of things that are legitimately free for them. It's the actual ds games that you download that are illegal. Backups and NDS roms are a touchy subject. If you don't own the game usually a back up is illegal. According to the law, you are allowed to have the software/games (ROMS) as long as you have purchased and own the original copy of the game."
Bold mine for emphasis. They know people are using it to download games they don't own and don't speak out against doing so, they just say that it is "usually" illegal to do so.
Their website also says they offer "post sale assistance," which means their employees have more than likely been helping people to get their pirated games to run.
Re: You'll Be Able To Dress Up As Mario And Luigi In Rayman Legends
@The-Chosen-one
oh please.. stop the defending people who (censored) you in the (censored) for no good reason already
Re: Platinum: Nintendo's Focus On Perfection Can Be "Unnerving", But They Give "Great Advice"
@dumedum Which is why in "The Last Story", a first party Nintendo game, there's scenes where the heroes assist knights who are killing unarmed women and children.
This isn't the 90's NOA isn't afraid of lawsuits like they were before the ESRB came around. Now the big "M" on the side of the box shields them from responsibility if kids play the game. You did know fear of lawsuits and bad press was why NOA did that crap, right?
Re: Luigi Confirmed As Part Of The Smash Bros. Roster On 3DS And Wii U
@LordJumpMad Please let me use this crystal ball you have that lets you know everything about a game that won't be released until next year and that we have next to no actual info about. I'd like to use it to find my TV remote.
Re: Talking Point: Wii U and Third-Party Inconsistencies Pose Questions for Console Owners
@ninten2000
Yeah, no. I'm a self admitted Nintendo fanboy, and I'll freely admit that the PSX has a much more extensive library with overall better games. The n64 is a great system with a lot of good stuff on it, but its library pales in comparison to the psx.
Also, the N64 was the start of the problems that plague Nintendo to this day. Squaresoft refused to work on the console at all, Nintendo's refusal to switch to disks pissed off more third parties, and even though the system was more powerful, the limited cartridge space of games limited devs who wanted to make large games.
Because of this, what little multiplatform titles there were on it were usually worse than the PSX's.
Lastly, using the release of the Gamecube as the end of Nintendo? Really? The Gamecube failed to sell because of the image problem it had, caused mostly by anti marketing on behalf of Sony and Microsoft, but made many great games in that time.
Pikmin, Metroid Prime, Super Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, Smash Bros Melee, the list goes on. The Gamecube has some of the best games Nintendo ever produced on it.
Re: Talking Point: Wii U and Third-Party Inconsistencies Pose Questions for Console Owners
Sony and Microsoft don't have any exclusives I care about, and 99% of multiplats worth playing come to the pc. And a middling pc will be better for them than any console anyway.
I think I'll do just fine without a PS4 or Xbox One, thanks.
Re: Looks Like Batman: Arkham Origins Isn't Getting Online Play On Wii U
@Doma The games Nintendo's offering don't need online to be viable. In fact, this game doesn't need it either. So you're missing the point entirely, probably just to troll.
The problem isn't the lack of online play. It's that the Wii U version lacks a feature the other versions are getting for no apparent reason, but is being sold at the same price anyway.
Re: Nintendo Blames 2011 Tohoku Earthquake For Sluggish Wii U Performance
@jayclayx They are. http://gengame.net/2013/06/nintendo-increasing-internal-staff-looking-to-leverage-retro-studios/
@all-the-idiots-trying-to-say-they're-using-the-earthquake-as-an-excuse-for-bad-sales
Read the quote again. That's not what it says... at all. And the same goes for whoever approved the title of this article too, as it's wildly misleading.
What it actually says for those who couldn't be bothered to actually read it, is that they had to move people from Wii U development to 3ds development as a result of the earthquake and that's why there were so many delays of launch games for the Wii U.
The way people will twist a simple statement of fact like that into "blaming sales on a natural disaster" is both infuriating and idiotic.
Re: Activision Committed To Doing 'Everything It Can' To Support Wii U
@TromboneGamer "Good news: Call of Duty Ghosts is coming to Wii U just like BO2 did. Guess what? We won't port any DLC over because you're only worth the initial buy in. -Activision every year. ... Been the same story since Wii."
You do know that large DLC wasn't actually possible on the Wii, right? BO2 is the only game where they've done this deliberately. Still crappy, but have some perspective, it's one game.
Re: Nintendo Finally Confirms Call of Duty: Ghosts Is Coming To Wii U
@taffy The "nightmare" Capcom was having was that Nintendo found a bunch of bugs in their game and wouldn't let them release it until they fixed them. The other platforms let a buggy game on their consoles without quality control and Nintendo doing their jobs makes them the bad guys. Sure. -rolls eyes-
I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was the reason for the Injustice delay as well.
@element187 Way to attempt to derail the conversation with partisan bickering in a non-political topic. Ever think of just ignoring him? Or reporting his message to the mods?
Re: Talking Point: The Download Games Battle is Just Beginning
@JaxonH You forgot to mention that if you buy a Japanese console you can use the Japanese eshop on it. If you make all your Japanese purchases on the eshop, the cost you save in shipping alone will pay for the console.
@ferthepoet If your machine is damaged, they most certainly will transfer the eshop profile. If your system is stolen, they will do so if you filed a police report and can prove it was stolen. If it was lost, you're SOL. Keep track of your stuff is what I say. It's not like they don't warn you about that constantly.
(The TOS say what happens if you lose your system, as well as the Eshop itself the first time you use it, and a warning pops up whenever you add funds that says pretty much the same thing.)
Re: Nintendo Comments On EarthBound's Inflated Pricing
@Kirk Ah the pointless one liner. The penultimate go to for he who actually doesn't have an argument anymore. That's where you go right before tying to discredit some's argument based on grammar. Well I'm calling this a win. Byesies.
And again you add crap to your post later. If it wasn't worth saying the first time, it wasn't worth adding either. Also this model is the one Nintendo has always used. Last I checked, they were a video game company around in the 90's.
Re: Nintendo Comments On EarthBound's Inflated Pricing
@Kirk No. Only a small minority is complaining about the price.
A bad business man would be one doing things that are less profitable based entirely on the whining of a vocal minority on the internet.
Edit: Since you added crap to your post entirely for the purpose of making my response look bad, I'll add that my position isn't contrary to your "mantra". Satisfying customers doesn't mean satisfying all customers. That's impossible. Selling at the highest possible price that you can without losing too many is the business model of 99% of businesses.
Re: Nintendo Comments On EarthBound's Inflated Pricing
I studied business at the Mohawk College School of Business. If you're not just lying and you actually got a degree, they should revoke it going by the crap you're spewing here.
Re: Nintendo Comments On EarthBound's Inflated Pricing
@Kirk You're the one dictating prices they should sell things for. Tell me what business school you went to. I'm guessing none, because the answer to your question is actually "We want to sell it at the highest highest price we can sell it for without losing so many customers that the higher price is less profitable. "
They don't care that they didn't sell to you personally, because they've sold to millions of others who were willing to pay the price and have made more money on each sale then they would have under your model, and presumable more money overall.
Again, if you don't want to pay what they're selling it for, then don't buy it. Whining about the price on the internet is just childish, however.
Re: Nintendo Comments On EarthBound's Inflated Pricing
@kirk And again, they can charge whatever they want for them and what you feel they should charge is irrelevant. If you think they're too expensive don't buy them. Simple solution.
Re: Nintendo Comments On EarthBound's Inflated Pricing
@Kirk It is "much cheaper" than the physical version. The physical version's MSRP was 69.99. 10 bucks is 1/7th that. As of the minute I'm writing this the cheapest copy of the physical game on ebay is $142.64. Nearly 14 times as much.
Any way you slice it, what you're saying doesn't hold water if you actually think about it for more than two seconds.
Re: Nintendo Comments On EarthBound's Inflated Pricing
@Kirk
It doesn't mater how old the game is. Nintendo owns the copyright and trademark on it and can sell it again at whatever price they feel like. Just because it's old doesn't mean the right holder doesn't deserve to make money on it. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's descendants are still making money on Sherlock Holmes books that were written nearly 100 years ago. I guess in your mind his rights holders don't deserve money for those book sales either.
If you don't wanna pay for it, don't. But don't act like they're committing some kind of crime. They don't have to release the game at all if they don't want, and they could have charged more. There are plenty of people who would have gotten it for $20.
Re: Rumour: Nintendo Is Shaping Up To Acquire Troubled Atlus
@nerdydan Yes, Nintendo never publishes mature games. That's why the first Final Fantasy, Perfect Dark, the Fire Emblem Series, Killer Instinct 2, Goldeneye 007, Sin and Punishment, Eternal Darkness, Baten Kaitos, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, and Ninja Gaiden 3 were not published by Nintnedo.
This is also why Nintendo is definitely not publishing Bayonetta 2 and X.
/sarcasm
Re: Rumour: Nintendo Is Shaping Up To Acquire Troubled Atlus
To all those who think Nintendo would take control and put a stop to darker themes in Atlus's games, I will point out that "The Last Story" is a first party Nintendo game that in one of its darker scenes has the heroes assist in the slaughter of unarmed women and children.
I don't think there's really much to worry about.
Re: Pikmin 3 Makes Japanese Chart Debut at Number One, Boosts Wii U Hardware Sales
@KodaSmooss
@BFahey3
These aren't Pikmin 3's first week numbers. These only include the first two days of sales.
Re: Talking Point: Pikmin 3 Shows the First Shoots of the Wii U's Planned Recovery
@brucelebnd Nintendo also has brand recognition in China, having had the IQue player and DSI released there.
Re: 3DS UK Success in 2013 Offset by Abysmal Wii U Figures
@Legromancer The Zombii U bundle came out after these sales figures were known, and you could have easily looked to see what was on the console when you bought it. If you really feel that way and aren't just trolling, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Re: 3DS UK Success in 2013 Offset by Abysmal Wii U Figures
@Kirk "So how come the figures are so low compared to every other console that's selling right now?"
Nintendo has never really sold that great compared to its competition. In the SNES gen there was really only Nintendo and Sega, and the SNES only barely won despite SEGA shooting themselves in the foot constantly over the console's final 2 years. The N64 was crushed by the Playstation, and we all know how the gamecube went. The Wii was the outlier.
If the past is anything to go by, they'll sell a decent amount of systems and be profitable, but won't win. Which is fine because "winning" doesn't really get you much anyway.
Re: Ubisoft: Nintendo Has The Brand Power To Turn Wii U Around
Funny thing is that Ubisoft is part of the reason the Wii U is performing so poorly.
Rayman Legends was complete and ready to be shipped and they delayed it for the sole purpose of stripping it of it's exclusivity. That game would have sold systems.
I love Ubisoft and their games, don't get me wrong, but deciding that a system isn't worth putting your exclusive title out 4 moths into its life before official sales numbers have come out was idiotic.
Re: 3DS UK Success in 2013 Offset by Abysmal Wii U Figures
@Kirk "Is this the slowest selling Nintendo home console ever in it's first year?"
Not really. The last confirmed sales numbers for it were from March, 5 months into its life, when they had sold 3.45 million.
It's hard to geta list of 5 month sales figures for older consoles, but according to the following graph, by roughly the same points in time the SNES had sold 3.4 mil, The N64 sold between 2.7 and 3.8 million, the Gamecube had sold about 3 million, and the Wii had sold about 4 million.
People are acting like this is the worst fist year for Nintendo, but it's not true. It's actually right in line with the averages of the other consoles they've released. Considering that the first three of those named consoleds had a lot less competition, I'd say the Wii U is actually doing fine. Especially when you consider how few first party titles have hit it so far.
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Re: Weirdness: Zelda Answers Rejected on Jeopardy, Hearts are Broken
Nobody who watches the show regularly would call this unfair. They word things like that to trip you up deliberately. It's part of the game. Them's the breaks.
Re: Dungeons & Dragons: Chronicles of Mystara For Wii U "Has Been A Bit of A Nightmare" For The Producer
I guarantee the bug that Nintendo sent it back for is on all the other vesions too. Hell, I've heard that the steam version is a buggy mess.
This is why Nintendo's code approval is so stringent. They want games on their system to work properly, even if that means they are delayed.
I can't believe the attitude people have now that making games work on launch is a bad thing. I'd rather wait and have the game work when I buy it than try to play a buggy game until they get around to fixing it (which they might not bother doing since they have your money already anyway).
The bashing should be going to everyone else for not finding it.
Re: Shigeru Miyamoto Emphasizes That New Experiences, and a New Franchise, Are Keeping Him Busy
@PattonFiend Yeah I know right. Nintendo totally hasn't published any games for older players sine 1985 at all.
Yep, the Metroid Series, the Fire Emblem Series, The Wars Series, and The Sin and Punishment Series definitely don't exist.
And Nintendo also didn't publish the first Final Fantasy game, the SNES version of SimCity, Killer instinct 2, Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, or Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge.
And they certainly aren't publishing Bayonetta 2 either.
How do they get away with never making any games for older gamers?
/sarcasm
Re: Ubisoft CEO Admits ZombiU Sales Were Disappointing, No Plans For Sequel
@URAmk2 If thwe company that made it called it a smash hit then they feel it is. You debunked nothing.
Re: Ubisoft CEO Admits ZombiU Sales Were Disappointing, No Plans For Sequel
@URAmk2
ahem *cough https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/05/capcom_describes_monster_hunter_3_ultimate_as_a_smash_hit *cough
Re: Ubisoft CEO Admits ZombiU Sales Were Disappointing, No Plans For Sequel
You know what? I'm just going to say it again. There was no reason for Ubisoft to ever believe this game would sell more than half a million units. If the game's budget had reflected that they would have made money on it.
If the 3rd best selling game on a console (Zombii U) doesn't make money when the 4th and 5th best selling games (Monster Hunter and Lego city) made a profit and are considered smash hits by their development companies and publishers, then the problem is with the company that set the game's budget, not the sales.
It really is that simple.
Re: Ubisoft CEO Admits ZombiU Sales Were Disappointing, No Plans For Sequel
Didn't sell well my bunnytail. It has about a 15% attach rate! Lego City sold fewer units, and it made a profit. If Zombii U really wasn't profitable, it's because the game's budget was too high, not because of sales.
Re: Nintendo Defends Influx of New Mario Titles
@Burning_Spear Considering that the top sellers for the 3ds and Wii u are Super Mario 3D Land and New Super Mario Bros. U respectively (if you don;t count the bundled in Nintendo Land) and New Super Mario Bros. Wii was the 5th best selling Wii game, I thin it's fair to say that YES tehre are a lot of people who want Mario games.
Tip for future reference: Not everyone is you.
Re: Activision - "We Want to See Nintendo be Successful"
@Gunnerholic YesBecause that was totally a problem when the Virtual Boy and then GameCube failed. That's why Nintendo is obscure now...
Wait, what?
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Curious Decision to Monetise StreetPass
Meh. As long as they aren't starting to charge for what was already included I don't see the problem.