Great article with great points. The price thing is my main concern. There needs to be an incentive for me to buy digital, but at the same time I understand that Nintendo can't just undercut the retail stores.
@The_Other_M No problem! I edited the original post to make it clearer. I agree with a lot of what @WhiteKnight has to say, but it irks me when he talks down to fellow NL users.
@jkshaz, @Geonjaha and @The_Other_M are right.
@WhiteKnight: If you want to make a point and be taken seriously, you can't be talking down to the people you are addressing. That's not how you present a persuasive argument. Intelligence alone does not command respect.
And just because people aren't experts on a subject, that shouldn't prevent the discussion of it. Everyone's entitled to have their say. That's one of the best things about posting and reading comments on NL and elsewhere.
I like how Sony's statement is completely invalid: "Use of the Kevin Butler character to sell products other than those from PlayStation misappropriates Sony's intellectual property, creates confusion in the market and causes damage to Sony." Kevin Butler wasn't used in the commercial...derp.
Cry some more, Sony. You don't own Mr. Lambert and he has been doing Bridgestone Tire commercials (as well as many other things) for a long time. He wasn't portraying Kevin Butler and it wasn't even a commercial specifically for Nintendo.
Charles Martinet has done a ton of voices for games on all systems. Look it up. It would be different if he was using his "Mario" voice and misrepresenting the character of Mario (owned by Nintendo). But Mr. Lambert was doing no such misrepresentation of the Kevin Butler character.
An ipad better darn well be multipurpose with it's ridiculous price and fees as stated above. No one in their right mind buys an ipad specifically to play games on it.
Of course they aren't game devices. Having games available to play on them is a nice bonus for people that do own them though. But the games really can't compare to a dedicated console like a 3DS (or even a Vita).
This also reminds me of that really odd Pikmin 2 commercial where the midgets (is that a politically correct term??) are dressed up as Pikmin and fetch this guy a hotdog. Youtube it if you have time, it's ridiculous.
The banner and trailer make me uncomfortable... Seems a bit too weird for me, and I don't really care for RPGs, AR technology or the Wifi hotspot thing. It's still good to see quality eshop games though.
@Poketune Yeah you are probably right about that, unfortunately. Most people who want to play ME3 have likely done so already or own a PS3, 360, or PC and can buy the game without spending upwards of $300 on a new console.
@19Robb92 Oh, I figured it would be something similar to a "channel" on the current Wii. If it really is an integrated part of the console and WiiU experience (I have done zero research on this by the way) then I can actually see it being a neat concept. Good to know!
Probably something I'll check out at some point (if I get a WiiU) but then never look at again. Seems like a glorified internet forum to me. Except it's more cumbersome.
@uel I agree with that. I like to play games, but I also like to finish games and move on. I don't really care to spend hours collecting arbitrary achievements or whatnot. I don't have the time or desire to spend 100 hours playing through a single game.
Too expensive. I can go on Steam and get a bunch of high-quality games for $60. If games are going to start at $60, they better have a heck of a lot of value. Also, Nintendo first party games almost never drop in price which is ridiculous.
I have nearly 100 hours on the PC version and love it! However, I don't think a release on the eshop would get the attention and success it deserves. It is not a game suited for young gamers. The difficulty and skill ceiling are very high, and I suppose it does contain some "controversial" subject matter. I highly recommend picking it up on PC for those who are interested.
These digital downloads aren't cheaper or more convenient than buying the retail version; that's the problem. I can order a game on Amazon or FutureShop and it will arrive in a few days with no extra shipping cost.
Plus I get a nice shiny box, manual, and cartridge. All of which I can lend to a friend or family member when I'm finished.
This does have me a little concerned. New characters, stages, and items related to Namco franchises would definitely be cool, but I don't want Nintendo giving away control of Smash Bros to a 3rd Party.
Smash Bros. is arguably Nintendo's most important modern franchise. They cannot afford to screw it up in the slightest.
Good riddance. As long as they don't just replace them with some other horrible idea. Just a simple add "Username" as a friend and have that person accept the invitation.
Wii Sports is vastly overrated. It was shallow and the fun did not last very long. It wasn't really even a game, more like a demo. This seems far more interesting and at least I could see it being bundled with a controller for $20-$30 (assuming it isn't included with the console). I wouldn't even pay $5 for the original Wii Sports.
I hope this is good. I'm somewhat of a LotR nerd and Lego was my childhood. I would love if this turned out to be a solid hack and slash experience like Return of the King on GC.
I understand what Mercury9 is going on about and I do agree to an extent. I don't really care for the Kickstarter idea and would never pay to help developers make a game. There are enough quality games released that don't require me to help pay to develop them. I don't have money to throw around at every opportunity. I am not going to help a company make their game and I shouldn't have to; that's their job.
In this case, I like that people who contribute on Kickstarter will get a free copy upon release. However, for most Kickstarter projects, you WILL have to pay money again to purchase the game on release. Not my cup of tea.
Design it like the excellent Rogue Squadron games for GC and I will be one happy panda. If it ends up being some kind of rail shooter my excitement will wane...
I'm definitely tempted. I have 700 coins right now. But I would like to know what I'm getting into. We need some guinea pigs to find out what each of the 6 varieties contain.
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Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Takes One Step Forward, One Back With Retail Downloads
Great article with great points. The price thing is my main concern. There needs to be an incentive for me to buy digital, but at the same time I understand that Nintendo can't just undercut the retail stores.
Re: Will LEGO City Undercover Have Multiplayer? Not Even Nintendo Seems to Know
As was said above, open world games don't really need a multiplayer component. The game looks fun though and hopefully it will be!
Re: Bridgestone Responds to Sony's "Kevin Butler" Lawsuit
@The_Other_M
No problem! I edited the original post to make it clearer. I agree with a lot of what @WhiteKnight has to say, but it irks me when he talks down to fellow NL users.
Re: Bridgestone Responds to Sony's "Kevin Butler" Lawsuit
@Geonjaha
I was agreeing with the 3 of you
Re: Bridgestone Responds to Sony's "Kevin Butler" Lawsuit
@jkshaz, @Geonjaha and @The_Other_M are right.
@WhiteKnight: If you want to make a point and be taken seriously, you can't be talking down to the people you are addressing. That's not how you present a persuasive argument. Intelligence alone does not command respect.
And just because people aren't experts on a subject, that shouldn't prevent the discussion of it. Everyone's entitled to have their say. That's one of the best things about posting and reading comments on NL and elsewhere.
Re: Kevin Butler Actor Seen Near Wii Console... Sony Takes Him to Court
I like how Sony's statement is completely invalid:
"Use of the Kevin Butler character to sell products other than those from PlayStation misappropriates Sony's intellectual property, creates confusion in the market and causes damage to Sony."
Kevin Butler wasn't used in the commercial...derp.
Re: Kevin Butler Actor Seen Near Wii Console... Sony Takes Him to Court
Cry some more, Sony. You don't own Mr. Lambert and he has been doing Bridgestone Tire commercials (as well as many other things) for a long time. He wasn't portraying Kevin Butler and it wasn't even a commercial specifically for Nintendo.
Charles Martinet has done a ton of voices for games on all systems. Look it up. It would be different if he was using his "Mario" voice and misrepresenting the character of Mario (owned by Nintendo). But Mr. Lambert was doing no such misrepresentation of the Kevin Butler character.
Re: This Real Life Tanooki Suit is a Bit Strange
I appreciate the reference in the subtitle. Made my day
Re: Nintendo: Phones And Tablets Aren't Games Devices
An ipad better darn well be multipurpose with it's ridiculous price and fees as stated above. No one in their right mind buys an ipad specifically to play games on it.
Re: Nintendo: Phones And Tablets Aren't Games Devices
@Rococoman
Yeah, I don't think anyone over 45 plays a DS. Let's be honest, there are very few people over 45 that play games, period.
Re: EA Attempts to Justify Selling Last Year's FIFA as a New Game
This actually makes me sad and a little pissed off.
Re: Nintendo: Phones And Tablets Aren't Games Devices
Of course they aren't game devices. Having games available to play on them is a nice bonus for people that do own them though. But the games really can't compare to a dedicated console like a 3DS (or even a Vita).
Re: Fallblox Confirmed for November Release in eShop
I still have some bonus puzzles left on the original Pushmo to beat. That game is really superb and I look forward to what the sequel has in store!
Re: Super Mario 3D Land Shortlisted for GameCity Prize
Hope Journey or Fez win. Haven't played either, but they both look awesome.
Re: Talking Point: The Possibilities of New Super Mario Bros. 2 DLC
Not a fan of DLC unless it's either free or is a significant chunk of game at a reasonable price.
Re: Review: The Denpa Men: They Came By Wave (3DS eShop)
This also reminds me of that really odd Pikmin 2 commercial where the midgets (is that a politically correct term??) are dressed up as Pikmin and fetch this guy a hotdog. Youtube it if you have time, it's ridiculous.
Re: Review: The Denpa Men: They Came By Wave (3DS eShop)
The banner and trailer make me uncomfortable... Seems a bit too weird for me, and I don't really care for RPGs, AR technology or the Wifi hotspot thing. It's still good to see quality eshop games though.
Re: First Impressions: Wii U Blockbuster Ports
@Gamesake
That's really weird.... I didn't know that. I wonder why?
Re: First Impressions: Wii U Blockbuster Ports
@Poketune
Yeah you are probably right about that, unfortunately. Most people who want to play ME3 have likely done so already or own a PS3, 360, or PC and can buy the game without spending upwards of $300 on a new console.
Re: First Impressions: Wii U Blockbuster Ports
I hope these games sell well for everyone's sake.
Though I can't really justify jumping into ME at the 3rd game (or any other story-driven franchise for that matter).
Re: Reggie: Miiverse Is Going To Be Unlike Anything You've Seen Before
@19Robb92
Oh, I figured it would be something similar to a "channel" on the current Wii. If it really is an integrated part of the console and WiiU experience (I have done zero research on this by the way) then I can actually see it being a neat concept.
Good to know!
Re: Reggie: Miiverse Is Going To Be Unlike Anything You've Seen Before
Probably something I'll check out at some point (if I get a WiiU) but then never look at again.
Seems like a glorified internet forum to me. Except it's more cumbersome.
Re: The Wii U Is Region Locked, Of Course
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out "meh, whatever".
Re: Sony: Wii U Offering "Something That Vita and PS3 can do Quite Easily"
@dew12333
This.
Re: Feature: Diamonds in the Rough - Dementium: The Ward
I remember reading positive things about this game when it came out, but never looked much into it.
Hope to see more of these types of articles!
Re: Sony: Wii U Offering "Something That Vita and PS3 can do Quite Easily"
Wow, that's like saying the Gamecube and GBA can do the same thing (and that sure was a success).
You need to own both devices as well as have a game that supports the function in a well-thought out and interesting way.
Whereas the Game Pad is an integral part of the console.
Re: Ever Wonder Why Pokémon Black And White 2 Isn't On The 3DS?
It's all about the money.
Re: Talking Point: Are Wii U Games Going To Be Too Expensive?
@uel
I agree with that. I like to play games, but I also like to finish games and move on. I don't really care to spend hours collecting arbitrary achievements or whatnot. I don't have the time or desire to spend 100 hours playing through a single game.
Re: Talking Point: Are Wii U Games Going To Be Too Expensive?
Too expensive.
I can go on Steam and get a bunch of high-quality games for $60.
If games are going to start at $60, they better have a heck of a lot of value. Also, Nintendo first party games almost never drop in price which is ridiculous.
Re: The Binding of Isaac Creator Still Thinks the Game Could Come to 3DS
I have nearly 100 hours on the PC version and love it!
However, I don't think a release on the eshop would get the attention and success it deserves.
It is not a game suited for young gamers. The difficulty and skill ceiling are very high, and I suppose it does contain some "controversial" subject matter.
I highly recommend picking it up on PC for those who are interested.
Re: Fluidity: Spin Cycle Ramps Up The Weirdness in 3DS eShop Sequel
Awesome, can't wait!
Re: Feature: In Defence of Super Mario Sunshine
One of my favourite Mario games.
The setting, soundtrack, and gameplay style are all awesome.
Much better than both Galaxy games as well as 3D Land.
Re: Mass Effect 3 Set to Launch Alongside Wii U
Good news, hopefully it will sell well. I won't be jumping on board though since I haven't played either ME1 or ME2.
Re: Review: New Super Mario Bros. 2 (3DS)
I just can't get excited over this. I'm sure it's a fine game, but Nintendo needs to slow down with Mario before they run him into the ground.
It's starting to get a bit ridiculous.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Digital Pricing
These digital downloads aren't cheaper or more convenient than buying the retail version; that's the problem. I can order a game on Amazon or FutureShop and it will arrive in a few days with no extra shipping cost.
Plus I get a nice shiny box, manual, and cartridge. All of which I can lend to a friend or family member when I'm finished.
Re: Super Smash Bros. 3DS and Wii U Powers Up with Namco
This does have me a little concerned. New characters, stages, and items related to Namco franchises would definitely be cool, but I don't want Nintendo giving away control of Smash Bros to a 3rd Party.
Smash Bros. is arguably Nintendo's most important modern franchise. They cannot afford to screw it up in the slightest.
Re: First Impressions: ZombiU
Hope it's as good as it seems.
Also, nice Clash reference.
Re: Reggie: Friend Codes Return on Wii U, But They're Better
Nintendo, I love you and all......but sometimes.....you're UNBELIEVABLY STUPID.
Hopefully it's not as bad as we think and it will turn out to be fine and dandy.
Re: E3 2012: Ding Dong, Friend Codes are Dead on Wii U
Good riddance. As long as they don't just replace them with some other horrible idea. Just a simple add "Username" as a friend and have that person accept the invitation.
Re: Reaction: On First Glance, Nintendo Land is No Wii Sports
Wii Sports is vastly overrated. It was shallow and the fun did not last very long. It wasn't really even a game, more like a demo. This seems far more interesting and at least I could see it being bundled with a controller for $20-$30 (assuming it isn't included with the console). I wouldn't even pay $5 for the original Wii Sports.
Re: E3 2012: Nintendo Land to Show Off the GamePad
Hopefully bundled with Wii U. Looks fun but probably wouldn't buy separately unless they had some bundle a la Wii Play.
Re: E3 2012: Pikmin 3 Sprouts On Wii U
Highlight of the conference for sure.
Re: E3 2012: Watch the Nintendo Press Conference Live Here
@FunkyMonkey
Awesome, thanks!
I should have known it was Eastern
Re: E3 2012: Watch the Nintendo Press Conference Live Here
Cool, I'll probably watch it here, assuming I can get my lazy butt out of bed by the time the conference starts.
Also, I should find out what time it starts in Ontario. I'm terrible with time-zones.
Re: You Shall Not Pass This LEGO Lord of the Rings Trailer
I hope this is good. I'm somewhat of a LotR nerd and Lego was my childhood. I would love if this turned out to be a solid hack and slash experience like Return of the King on GC.
Re: Pledge to Cloudberry Kingdom, Get It Free on Wii U
I understand what Mercury9 is going on about and I do agree to an extent. I don't really care for the Kickstarter idea and would never pay to help developers make a game. There are enough quality games released that don't require me to help pay to develop them. I don't have money to throw around at every opportunity. I am not going to help a company make their game and I shouldn't have to; that's their job.
In this case, I like that people who contribute on Kickstarter will get a free copy upon release. However, for most Kickstarter projects, you WILL have to pay money again to purchase the game on release. Not my cup of tea.
Re: Wii Pikmin 2 Hits North America on 10th June for $19.99
Cool, I'll probably pick up DKCR at some point.
Anyone that hasn't played Pikmin 2 should definitely pick that up as well.
Re: Adventure Time on DS to be Released 'Late Fall'
Love the show. Hope it's good, but I won't hold my breath.
Re: Rumour: Retro Studios Preparing Star Fox Wii U Reveal
Design it like the excellent Rogue Squadron games for GC and I will be one happy panda. If it ends up being some kind of rail shooter my excitement will wane...
Re: Club Nintendo Offers Mystery Boxes
I'm definitely tempted. I have 700 coins right now. But I would like to know what I'm getting into. We need some guinea pigs to find out what each of the 6 varieties contain.