@nessisonett said " I’ve been programming for about 8 years now with extensive use of Unity, UE4 and such while participating in coding jams and the like so I do have a knowledge of what goes into these sorts of big budget games because there’s definitely a push towards licensing an engine.
Honestly, I understand the point you were trying to make from the perspective of an 80s home computer developer but those sorts of issues just aren’t as prevalent anymore."
Do you mean that we don't need to optimise today ??? Hum interesting... Maybe it explains a lot of things when a game like Zelda BOTW is about 13Gb when a "simple" Fifa 19 needs 41Gb + 10Gb of updates/patches...
The fact that today you give big engines to developers with a lot of RAM, with huge amount of storage and pre-made assets and librairies... yeah you basically don't ask them to work in a "clean way".
I'm convinced that Nintendo is using the "oldschool way" still (Cf : my example of Zelda BOTW).
What pushed the developers to make awesome games in the past were probably the machine's limitations... They had no choice to "talk" directly to the VRAM, to use the Vblank with efficency, to store their codes on tiny space etc...
They had to push the limits of the systems... Today, developers are spoiled with engines, unlimited storage, assets to buy etc...
To do a global anology, I'd say :
"One Ounce of poo is enough to spoil a pound of caviar. An Ounce of caviar does not improve a pound of poo."
You have much more "instances" running in an adventure mode than during a Versus mode... Another point that I would add, they put sooooo muchhh stuffs in the game (characters, musics, stages etc...) that optimisation had to be a key during the development too...
This is the difference between you and me... In my time, where I live, there was no university to learn.... I started by myself in the 80's (you weren't even born probably ^^) with some basics... and then low level programming languages, specially Assembly during the Amiga/ST period and even after that...
So, excuse me to not have a degree to show then... ^^
@westman98
There is no conspiracy, it's goodsense... or...
@DarthNocturnal
Do you have any proof of that ? Or...
@RobotReptile
Do not think ONLY about poly count... Think about everything else too...
I think it's more about optimisation. When you look at the situation with the "eye of a developer", you get instantly that Kirby is the simpliest 3D Model of all because of its shape.
It's the easiest way to go in terms of performance.
There are much more instances that run at the same time during the adventure mode, so Sakurai does PR talk instead of using the real reasons...
The system has been available for just 20 months that Nintendo already plan to release a new version of the Switch...
The new acquirers for Christmas 2019 will be really happy to see that the pokémon Let's go Pikachu, pokémon Let's go Eevee, Super Smash Bros Ultimate, Diablo 3, Fortnite bundles were made to liquidate the old stock...
The review said : "Likewise, the framerate gets a little choppy in the late game – an explosion of activity around 1500 with most of the map revealed means fast camera movement leads to some chugging. It’s not terrible by any means, but 60fps junkies should take note."
A little choppy in the late game ? o_O The frame rate goes from 27 to 53 FPS even in docked mode and don't need to wait the late game for that ! A little choppy... Muhahahaaaaaa !
How the kids from the 80's/90's did to play their pokémon games and did they need "easy mode ?
I think there are certain types of games for certain types of players... The big problem today is that the games have to be for everyone ! It's ridiculous !
It's like making an horror movie but you want the 4 years old to watch too... It's stupid...
At the same time, the shoot'em ups on the SNES when you take off Super Alest, R-Type3 and Axelay... There is nothing left to play manner of speaking...
For Shmups, Megadrive and PcEngine do way better.
If you don't have time to play BIG GAMES, play adapted game to your life style. You remind me the Vegans who want to make meat illegal ! If a vegan don't want to eat meat, go ahead but stop wanting to change the food pattern of the non-vegans.
This is the disaster of today, everybody wants to do this or that EVEN when they don't have the abilities, the time, the lifestyle etc... that makes it possible... So, let's change the rules of the others to make the game fits my lifestyle...
If you don't have the time to play Ocarina, DON'T PLAY IT !
Is it possible to see further than just the present time ?
I remember a time when Nintendo fans were so proud to not have DLCs to pay to get their Nintendo games FULL OF CONTENT blablablabla... And then, Amiibos came like that, like a sly toy to open the pandora's box of DLCs and step by step the same Nintendo fans ASK for DLCs now...
It's the same with casualization, we start by an easy mode here and there, we lower the global difficulty a little, we put hints everywhere in a game to make it "more friendly" and in 2 years we're gonna play Metroid Prime 4 with only Quick Time Events... Because yaaaa knowwww, everyone have the right to play Samus so my little brother of 3 years old can easily press A or B or X or Y when they appear on the screen !
MAYBE because the challenge is THE ESSENCE of Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze...
You know, I don't play StarCraft because it's not my type of game and from the outside when you see good players playing it, you're like WOWWW this is crazy, so much stuffs everywhere etc...
Do you think that I would DEFEND a position to make Starcraft easy and by pushing one button I could do the same as an experienced guy ? SURE NOOOOO !
My point is : Donkey has a level of difficulty which is ITS DNA ! Why the bloody hell we have to change that ?
Again, I have nothing against but I just see where we are going and this is my "problem".
I see gaming, music, movies, books becoming more and more mediocre. It doesn't mean that EVERYTHING is mediocre but we are leading to mediocrity...
Donkey Kong Country exists since 1994, How I did to play this game back then ? How my little cousins of 8 and 9 years old did too ?
We gave our best to reach the end. No need to have "an easy mode".
To make it clear :
If you're not good enough, improve yourself OR play something else but stop being a spoiled child who want everything and right now !
PS : When I say "you" I don't talk about you but in general terms.
I played Tropical Freeze on my Wii U so duhhhh no easy mode for me ! My problem is the way "the gamers" are treated today ! Basically, we're all morons and we need to have everything without any effort... I hate that way of doing, it tells a lot about the new generations... :/
Question of age and education probably... What is a gamer ? A dude who play games ! What is a Teacher ? A dude who teach ! What is a Dancer ? A dude who dance ! etc.. LOL
My point was that there is no easy mode in the original version on Wii U. Since the Switch has come, everything has to be "casualized". To put an easy mode in Tropical Freeze is the same as to give the invisible stars in every level of Mario Bros from the start to the end. A NON SENSE !
Do you understand that "CASUALISATION" is the new trend at Nintendo ? Mario Odyssey Pokémon Let's Go DK Tropical Freeze with an easy mode on Switch etc...
It's almost like they don't want to attract gamers anymore... :/
When the developers are gonna understand that toys in gaming ARE OVER ! Amiibos, Skylanders, Disney infinity, Starlink etc... the trend is behind us AND IT'S GREAT ! Now, focus on making great games and not to try to make money with crappy plastic thingies...
Could you explain me why the Windwaker collector's edition Wii U console had a code for the game ?
Could you explain me why the MarioKart 8 collector's edition Wii U console had a code for the game ?
Could you explain me why Mario Vs Donkey on Wii U had a code inside a boxed game ?
Could you explain me why StarFox Guard on Wii U had a code inside a boxed game ?
etc...
It isn't a question of cartridge cost (the Wii U use discs). The truth is that Nintendo is becoming more and more greedy with the time.
Look the price of the accessories on Switch : 50€ for a pokéball, 90€ for a dock etc...
Even the collector's edition like Bayonetta 1 + 2.
On the Wii U you get the 2 games on a beautiful luxury box and on the Switch you get only Bayonetta 2 on cart and Bayonetta 1 is a DL code. What is worse, the package is really cheap too on the Switch compare to the Wii U version...
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Re: Review: Rock Boshers DX: Director's Cut - England's Dreaming With This Old-School Blaster
Why did they choose the Sinclair ? The Amstrad CPC was a better choice...
Ok ok, I admit it, I'm a CPC fanboy...
Re: Sakurai Reveals Why Kirby Was The Only One Who Survived The Smash Ultimate Apocalypse
@nessisonett said " I’ve been programming for about 8 years now with extensive use of Unity, UE4 and such while participating in coding jams and the like so I do have a knowledge of what goes into these sorts of big budget games because there’s definitely a push towards licensing an engine.
Honestly, I understand the point you were trying to make from the perspective of an 80s home computer developer but those sorts of issues just aren’t as prevalent anymore."
Do you mean that we don't need to optimise today ??? Hum interesting... Maybe it explains a lot of things when a game like Zelda BOTW is about 13Gb when a "simple" Fifa 19 needs 41Gb + 10Gb of updates/patches...
The fact that today you give big engines to developers with a lot of RAM, with huge amount of storage and pre-made assets and librairies... yeah you basically don't ask them to work in a "clean way".
I'm convinced that Nintendo is using the "oldschool way" still (Cf : my example of Zelda BOTW).
What pushed the developers to make awesome games in the past were probably the machine's limitations... They had no choice to "talk" directly to the VRAM, to use the Vblank with efficency, to store their codes on tiny space etc...
They had to push the limits of the systems... Today, developers are spoiled with engines, unlimited storage, assets to buy etc...
To do a global anology, I'd say :
"One Ounce of poo is enough to spoil a pound of caviar. An Ounce of caviar does not improve a pound of poo."
Re: Sakurai Reveals Why Kirby Was The Only One Who Survived The Smash Ultimate Apocalypse
@nessisonett
Could you tell me how long have you been studying computer science?
Re: Sakurai Reveals Why Kirby Was The Only One Who Survived The Smash Ultimate Apocalypse
@Ardisan Nothing at all...
Why don't you ask yourself that question :
-What did Cobalt say wrong ?
Because you know, I was just explaining that, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, Sakurai did a smart choice with Kirby...
And I repeat again what I already said : " Maybe I'm wrong but it's what I think"...
Do I have the right to have a personal opinion or... ?
Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Will Have A Day-One Update, But Only For Those Who Buy Physical
@nocdaes
It could means that the standard cartridge size was too small and the cost to pay for bigger cartridge was not possible for Nintendo...
Re: Sakurai Reveals Why Kirby Was The Only One Who Survived The Smash Ultimate Apocalypse
@aaronsullivan
You have much more "instances" running in an adventure mode than during a Versus mode...
Another point that I would add, they put sooooo muchhh stuffs in the game (characters, musics, stages etc...) that optimisation had to be a key during the development too...
Re: Sakurai Reveals Why Kirby Was The Only One Who Survived The Smash Ultimate Apocalypse
@Abes3
It's what I really think... I can be wrong but from my perspective it's goodsense...
Ow and @Dr_Lugae gives even a hint too with his post... So Why it's not Bowser ??? Mayyybeeee because...
Re: Sakurai Reveals Why Kirby Was The Only One Who Survived The Smash Ultimate Apocalypse
@nessisonett
This is the difference between you and me... In my time, where I live, there was no university to learn.... I started by myself in the 80's (you weren't even born probably ^^) with some basics... and then low level programming languages, specially Assembly during the Amiga/ST period and even after that...
So, excuse me to not have a degree to show then... ^^
@westman98
There is no conspiracy, it's goodsense... or...
@DarthNocturnal
Do you have any proof of that ? Or...
@RobotReptile
Do not think ONLY about poly count... Think about everything else too...
@Electricghost
Nobody's perfect dude !
Re: Sakurai Reveals Why Kirby Was The Only One Who Survived The Smash Ultimate Apocalypse
I think it's more about optimisation. When you look at the situation with the "eye of a developer", you get instantly that Kirby is the simpliest 3D Model of all because of its shape.
It's the easiest way to go in terms of performance.
There are much more instances that run at the same time during the adventure mode, so Sakurai does PR talk instead of using the real reasons...
Re: Paprium's Disastrous 'Launch Party' Leaves Backers Furious As Unfinished Prototype Is Shown Off
First thing first, the WaterMelon community manager (her name is Camille) is someone that you cannot trust...
Second, Fonzie ("the president") did some stupid things such as going away with the cash... :/
And third, when the WaterMelon's team is invited to a convention FOR FREE to present their games, do you know what they do ?
They say yes we'll be there and the day of the convention, they cancel just like that...
I'm done with WaterMelon...
Re: "Please Understand" Nintendo Is Replacing Its Controversial Creators Program With New Guidelines
It ends March 2019 ?
OK, we have the date of the Switch Pro guys...
Re: Feature: 20 Dreamcast Games We'd Love To See On Nintendo Switch
@Damo
My bad !
But Headhunter and Code Veronica in the honourable section seems strange to me. I think these two deserve a better treatment !
Whatever, I personally don't want ports anymore, I already have all these games on the original system....
Re: Feature: 20 Dreamcast Games We'd Love To See On Nintendo Switch
Nobody mentioned HEADHUNTER ? o_O
Re: Review: R-Type Dimensions EX - Two Arcade Classics For The Price Of One
@Pazuzu666
My point is that the "new" version is ugly. ^^
If you have to remake a game such as R-TYPE, do it more that way then :
But not with that disgusting AbodeFlashesque style... :/
Re: Review: R-Type Dimensions EX - Two Arcade Classics For The Price Of One
The "new" graphics are disgusting.
An iconic game with iconic design should be protected against mistreatment like that...
Fun fact : I was playing Metal Storm yesterday and there is a wink to R-Type on the background.
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@Entrr_username Seems like I'm smarter than you think...
Have a nice day buddy.
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@Entrr_username Thank you your highness...
Re: People Claim To Already Have Copies Of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
@sleepinglion
Re: Review: Sid Meier's Civilization VI - Conquer The World On The Move In This Superb Port
@Prizm It's the pot calling the kettle black !
Re: Review: Sid Meier's Civilization VI - Conquer The World On The Move In This Superb Port
@Prizm said : "THE OLD GUY on the front cover looks like something out of Garry's Mod"
THE OLD GUY ? Are you serious ? The old guy ? Wowww that takes the biscuit. o_O
Re: Nintendo Uploads Consumer Service Video Explaining How To Prepare Your Switch For Trade-In Or Sale
The system has been available for just 20 months that Nintendo already plan to release a new version of the Switch...
The new acquirers for Christmas 2019 will be really happy to see that the pokémon Let's go Pikachu, pokémon Let's go Eevee, Super Smash Bros Ultimate, Diablo 3, Fortnite bundles were made to liquidate the old stock...
Merry Christmas ! :/
Re: Review: Sid Meier's Civilization VI - Conquer The World On The Move In This Superb Port
@DragonbornRito You can buy it for 20$ on you IOS devices... if portability is important for you.
https://itunes.apple.com/fr/app/sid-meiers-civilization-vi/id1235863443?mt=8
Re: Review: Sid Meier's Civilization VI - Conquer The World On The Move In This Superb Port
The review said : "Likewise, the framerate gets a little choppy in the late game – an explosion of activity around 1500 with most of the map revealed means fast camera movement leads to some chugging. It’s not terrible by any means, but 60fps junkies should take note."
A little choppy in the late game ? o_O The frame rate goes from 27 to 53 FPS even in docked mode and don't need to wait the late game for that ! A little choppy... Muhahahaaaaaa !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=34&v=eT_oBPAxxLg
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@nessisonett
Misunderstanding between you and me then !
I apologies...
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@Syrek24
Just answer that question please :
How the kids from the 80's/90's did to play their pokémon games and did they need "easy mode ?
I think there are certain types of games for certain types of players... The big problem today is that the games have to be for everyone ! It's ridiculous !
It's like making an horror movie but you want the 4 years old to watch too... It's stupid...
Re: Vertical Shoot 'Em Up Aleste Set To Make A Comeback Next Year, Switch Version A Possibility
@Hordak
[mode sarcastic ON]
At the same time, the shoot'em ups on the SNES when you take off Super Alest, R-Type3 and Axelay... There is nothing left to play manner of speaking...
For Shmups, Megadrive and PcEngine do way better.
[mode sarcastic OFF]
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@Mallow
This is just true. Games are easier and easier and gamers of today want them even easier...
Do I have the right to think that it's a disgrace ?
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@nessisonett
If you don't have time to play BIG GAMES, play adapted game to your life style.
You remind me the Vegans who want to make meat illegal !
If a vegan don't want to eat meat, go ahead but stop wanting to change the food pattern of the non-vegans.
This is the disaster of today, everybody wants to do this or that EVEN when they don't have the abilities, the time, the lifestyle etc... that makes it possible... So, let's change the rules of the others to make the game fits my lifestyle...
If you don't have the time to play Ocarina, DON'T PLAY IT !
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@nessisonett I copy/paste what I wrote because it seems that you missed something
"I see gaming, music, movies, books becoming more and more mediocre. It doesn't mean that EVERYTHING is mediocre but we are leading to mediocrity..."
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@Ensemen
Is it possible to see further than just the present time ?
I remember a time when Nintendo fans were so proud to not have DLCs to pay to get their Nintendo games FULL OF CONTENT blablablabla...
And then, Amiibos came like that, like a sly toy to open the pandora's box of DLCs and step by step the same Nintendo fans ASK for DLCs now...
It's the same with casualization, we start by an easy mode here and there, we lower the global difficulty a little, we put hints everywhere in a game to make it "more friendly" and in 2 years we're gonna play Metroid Prime 4 with only Quick Time Events... Because yaaaa knowwww, everyone have the right to play Samus so my little brother of 3 years old can easily press A or B or X or Y when they appear on the screen !
Crazy World !
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@HobbitGamer
I personally HATE achievements and trophies stuffs on XBOX and PS.
The reward is to reach something.
The important thing is not the destination but the road traveled.
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@Ensemen
MAYBE because the challenge is THE ESSENCE of Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze...
You know, I don't play StarCraft because it's not my type of game and from the outside when you see good players playing it, you're like WOWWW this is crazy, so much stuffs everywhere etc...
Do you think that I would DEFEND a position to make Starcraft easy and by pushing one button I could do the same as an experienced guy ? SURE NOOOOO !
My point is : Donkey has a level of difficulty which is ITS DNA !
Why the bloody hell we have to change that ?
Re: Hardware Review: Flip Grip: The Dream Peripheral For Shmup Addicts
EDIT : "Hardware Review: Flip Grip: The Dream Peripheral For "TATE" Shmup Addicts"
For Yoko Shoot'em ups who cares ?
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@DavidMac Of Tropical Freeze ? On N64 ? o_O My godddd !
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@NotTelevision
Again, I have nothing against but I just see where we are going and this is my "problem".
I see gaming, music, movies, books becoming more and more mediocre. It doesn't mean that EVERYTHING is mediocre but we are leading to mediocrity...
Donkey Kong Country exists since 1994, How I did to play this game back then ? How my little cousins of 8 and 9 years old did too ?
We gave our best to reach the end. No need to have "an easy mode".
To make it clear :
If you're not good enough, improve yourself OR play something else but stop being a spoiled child who want everything and right now !
PS : When I say "you" I don't talk about you but in general terms.
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@nessisonett
I played Tropical Freeze on my Wii U so duhhhh no easy mode for me !
My problem is the way "the gamers" are treated today !
Basically, we're all morons and we need to have everything without any effort...
I hate that way of doing, it tells a lot about the new generations... :/
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@TheFanatic
Question of age and education probably...
What is a gamer ? A dude who play games !
What is a Teacher ? A dude who teach !
What is a Dancer ? A dude who dance !
etc.. LOL
It's a little more complex than that buddy !
Re: Video: Away: Journey To The Unexpected Gets A Brand New Gameplay Trailer
I'm gonna buy it for sure ! Go Aurélien !
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@Razieluigi
My point was that there is no easy mode in the original version on Wii U.
Since the Switch has come, everything has to be "casualized".
To put an easy mode in Tropical Freeze is the same as to give the invisible stars in every level of Mario Bros from the start to the end.
A NON SENSE !
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@Mallow
My definition of a gamer is :
"It is not the reward that elevates the soul, but the labor that led to this reward."
Think about it.
Re: Unlocking All Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Fighters Should Only Take A Couple Of Hours
@Yasume
Do you understand that "CASUALISATION" is the new trend at Nintendo ?
Mario Odyssey
Pokémon Let's Go
DK Tropical Freeze with an easy mode on Switch
etc...
It's almost like they don't want to attract gamers anymore... :/
Re: People Are Review-Bombing Pokémon: Let's Go Across Major Sites, Amazon Japan Blocks User Scores
@Yorumi
You're absolutely right !
Be Nintendrones or get away... ^^ Like it's not possible to talk facts.
Re: Starlink: Battle For Atlas Starter Pack Sees Huge Price Drop Across UK And US
@dew12333 I'm agree with you !
Mario Odyssey is the perfect example !
Re: Vertical Shoot 'Em Up Aleste Set To Make A Comeback Next Year, Switch Version A Possibility
From my perspective, the best Alest game of all is a non-Alest game ! LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxjkrvyaKPo
Re: Starlink: Battle For Atlas Starter Pack Sees Huge Price Drop Across UK And US
When the developers are gonna understand that toys in gaming ARE OVER !
Amiibos, Skylanders, Disney infinity, Starlink etc... the trend is behind us AND IT'S GREAT ! Now, focus on making great games and not to try to make money with crappy plastic thingies...
GAMES ! MAKE GAMES !
Re: Review: World of Final Fantasy Maxima - A Gentle Introduction To The Legendary RPG Series
@nocdaes
You describe with perfection the sad reality...
Re: Review: World of Final Fantasy Maxima - A Gentle Introduction To The Legendary RPG Series
Again, the famous typical case of casualisation right here.
Mario Odyssey, Donkey Kong CTF on Switch, Pokémon Let's Go etc...
Welcome to the new generation of gamers...
Re: Video: Unboxing The Pokémon: Let's Go Nintendo Switch Bundle
@In_Ex_Fan
Could you explain me why the Windwaker collector's edition Wii U console had a code for the game ?
Could you explain me why the MarioKart 8 collector's edition Wii U console had a code for the game ?
Could you explain me why Mario Vs Donkey on Wii U had a code inside a boxed game ?
Could you explain me why StarFox Guard on Wii U had a code inside a boxed game ?
etc...
It isn't a question of cartridge cost (the Wii U use discs). The truth is that Nintendo is becoming more and more greedy with the time.
Look the price of the accessories on Switch : 50€ for a pokéball, 90€ for a dock etc...
Even the collector's edition like Bayonetta 1 + 2.
On the Wii U you get the 2 games on a beautiful luxury box and on the Switch you get only Bayonetta 2 on cart and Bayonetta 1 is a DL code. What is worse, the package is really cheap too on the Switch compare to the Wii U version...
Re: Video: Unboxing The Pokémon: Let's Go Nintendo Switch Bundle
@ClassSonicSatAm
The Q is a Panasonic machine, do not expect Nintendo to make a kind of collector of that type.
Re: Sony Responds To Nintendo's Success With Its Very Own PlayStation Classic Mini Console
@ClassSonicSatAm
We talk about CLASSIC NINTENDO MINI ! Not Switch...
NES Mini and SNES Mini... Erf......