What's the difference between killing animals in video games and sexual activity in video games? I'll answer that: none.
Now, killing animals and sex in video games can be justified if it's appropriate to an extent. An example of this would be a set piece where person A tries to either scare off or kill a bear in protection of person B.
That's another point: there should almost always be an appropriate alternative to sex and unnecessary violence. Though, that's this industry's problem it seems.
Of course, and I agree with on your concerns. Though, with a little research, there are people and organisations like PETA out there who are against almost anything you can think of.
PETA just so happens to be the company that's against slaughtering, torturing and skinning of animals, whether it's real or digital and rightfully so (especially if it's unnecessary).
Then what are you implying? That we should only take care of our species and ignore all others?
@Five-seveN
You see, the big picture of it all, is that we have different organisations for different things. We do have organisations that take care of human rights and supply aid to reduce child hunger and abuse. Even though it's impossible to cure the struggle, it's still a fighting cause.
And so is PETA. PETA doesn't have to entirely care about human safety because that's not its purpose. That would be like McDonald's encouraging customers to visit your local ice cream shop.
As soon as we can confirm that the whale screams in agony as it's swimming away, it's inhumane.
@L-Lawliet
8 mm is just a movie. You should let your children watch it. That and a few XXX rated movies.
Really, Assassin's Creed III's hunting was bad enough. I remember killing a rabbit and being completely jerked emotionally due to its wimpering scream as I broke its neck. Now I get to see a beautiful whale bleed out and slowly die? I'm scared of whales but that doesn't mean I don't see the stupidity in Ubisoft's sadistic fantasy.
Whethet it's what "they" did in the old days or not, doesn't justify it being fit for entertainment.
I don't think anyone here quite understands PETA's logic. Of course no one's going to go out and kill a whale because of this. Though, this is graphic material and is quite disturbing at that.
I actually agree with PETA here. There's a difference between hunting an animal and torturing an animal. In Assassin's Creed III, it was still awful how you killed animals (especially the rabbits), but he killed them as quickly as he could. ACIV is the opposite. Regardless if it's a video game, the realistic graphics are enough to persuade the select few, disturbed users.
Shovelware, by its definition, is something that is bad in the holder of an opinion. You can't call a good game a bad good game due to contradicting oneself. It's either it's shovelware or it's not.
Okay, you seem to know what you're talking about. How does Call of Duty qualify as shovelware? Pick any game. I want a thoroughly well written explanation.
I also don't know where you pulled those quotes from, but the latter isn't a reliable source and the former, well, it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't copy and paste the full definition.
Please read my post again. I never said you said anything. I clearly said, going by your definition, anything can considered shovelware.
Your logic, games that are quickly made, are shovelware. So that means Ocarina of Time 3D is shovelware, even though its Metascore and fanbase disagrees. And I agree with the disagreeing crowd.
Just because a game is made in one, two or even three years does qualify it as shovelware. Maybe if you played Call of Duty, you'd know what you're talking about. (Please read this post slowly so you understand my point this time.)
Ratings and sales should determine whether or not something is shovelware. Something you obviously don't understand. Going by your definition, nothing that is widely considered fantastic by the gaming community, such as Half Life or Final Fantasy VII, can be considered good.
Call of Duty is not shovelware just because your ignorance blinds you.
I happen to agree with this article, but if you agree with this then you've really got no grounds to claim that games can't also create negative impacts on people's lives.
So, wouldn't that mean you have no grounds to claim anything regarding this topic?
I agree to an extent. Any form of entertainment can influence bad behavior. Video games are no exception.
Call of Duty may not innovate the formula, but with every installment it does a great job of attempting multiplayer perfection and providing everything that is essential for a sequel.
Judging its fanbase over all others is unfair since its audience is huge and should not be discriminated because of a minority.
EA is losing money due to used games and competition, so it has to make up for it somehow, no? Sure, as a consumer buying an online pass may seem harsh, but that's how businesses work around bumps in the road.
Micro-transactions are absolutely optional and like in Dead Space 3, they don't make or break the game. The option is there to enhance the game and are in no way, necessary for 100% completion.
You're right. And actually, I agree with Cliff. Nintendo's Wii U failing, or even its next generation console afterwards failing, could jeopardize the company financially.
Though, this will only happen if Nintendo doesn't catch on to the basics of the mass market. Which wouldn't surprise me.
All of which were ports. But you're right, I can't remember the last company to port four games onto one system in so little time and with so many bugs. Congrats.
Game length is not always a required aspect for games. Replay value is, on the other hand. Mega Man 2 has a lot of replay value as you can play through it many times in different ways and Philip's Youtube channel is a great example of this. Solely play the game with the mega buster, no damage runs, no item runs, speed runs, etcetera.
And "by today's standards" is an irrelevant term to be used when discussing replay value and length. Many games do not have an overabundance of game length such as Mass Effect 2 because it's not required. It never was and Mega Man 2 is an example of this.
Journey was nominated and received many awards all across the board from multiple websites as being a masterpiece yet, it was only two hours long and released in 2012, mind you.
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Re: PETA Starts "Whaling" About Assassin's Creed IV's Animal Cruelty
@Five-seveN
What's the difference between killing animals in video games and sexual activity in video games? I'll answer that: none.
Now, killing animals and sex in video games can be justified if it's appropriate to an extent. An example of this would be a set piece where person A tries to either scare off or kill a bear in protection of person B.
That's another point: there should almost always be an appropriate alternative to sex and unnecessary violence. Though, that's this industry's problem it seems.
Re: PETA Starts "Whaling" About Assassin's Creed IV's Animal Cruelty
Of course, and I agree with on your concerns. Though, with a little research, there are people and organisations like PETA out there who are against almost anything you can think of.
PETA just so happens to be the company that's against slaughtering, torturing and skinning of animals, whether it's real or digital and rightfully so (especially if it's unnecessary).
Re: PETA Starts "Whaling" About Assassin's Creed IV's Animal Cruelty
@Joshers744
Why should us humans selfishly aid solely ourselves? Serious question, unless I'm misunderstanding your point.
Re: PETA Starts "Whaling" About Assassin's Creed IV's Animal Cruelty
@Joshers744
Then what are you implying? That we should only take care of our species and ignore all others?
@Five-seveN
You see, the big picture of it all, is that we have different organisations for different things. We do have organisations that take care of human rights and supply aid to reduce child hunger and abuse. Even though it's impossible to cure the struggle, it's still a fighting cause.
And so is PETA. PETA doesn't have to entirely care about human safety because that's not its purpose. That would be like McDonald's encouraging customers to visit your local ice cream shop.
Either way, abortion is completely off topic.
Re: PETA Starts "Whaling" About Assassin's Creed IV's Animal Cruelty
@Joshers744
How ignorant. Are you implying it's not humanity's fault when humans viciously kill animals?
Re: PETA Starts "Whaling" About Assassin's Creed IV's Animal Cruelty
@LordJumpMad
As soon as we can confirm that the whale screams in agony as it's swimming away, it's inhumane.
@L-Lawliet
8 mm is just a movie. You should let your children watch it. That and a few XXX rated movies.
Really, Assassin's Creed III's hunting was bad enough. I remember killing a rabbit and being completely jerked emotionally due to its wimpering scream as I broke its neck. Now I get to see a beautiful whale bleed out and slowly die? I'm scared of whales but that doesn't mean I don't see the stupidity in Ubisoft's sadistic fantasy.
Whethet it's what "they" did in the old days or not, doesn't justify it being fit for entertainment.
Re: PETA Starts "Whaling" About Assassin's Creed IV's Animal Cruelty
I don't think anyone here quite understands PETA's logic. Of course no one's going to go out and kill a whale because of this. Though, this is graphic material and is quite disturbing at that.
Torturing whales isn't cool, people.
Re: Platinum Games: Ask Capcom if You Want Okami 2
Platinum should stop with the sequels and crawl under a rock.
Re: PETA Starts "Whaling" About Assassin's Creed IV's Animal Cruelty
I actually agree with PETA here. There's a difference between hunting an animal and torturing an animal. In Assassin's Creed III, it was still awful how you killed animals (especially the rabbits), but he killed them as quickly as he could. ACIV is the opposite. Regardless if it's a video game, the realistic graphics are enough to persuade the select few, disturbed users.
Re: Super Metroid Symphony Album to be Released on 19th March
Holy son of a fu--
Banned.
Re: Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag Release Dates and Details are Pillaged
Looks quite ambitious. Though, I'm concerned to whether the hype will fall through the cracks or not. As it did with the majority of its predecessors.
Re: Review: Wheel of Fortune (Wii U)
You're the one swearing. And I'm the jerk?
Shovelware, by its definition, is something that is bad in the holder of an opinion. You can't call a good game a bad good game due to contradicting oneself. It's either it's shovelware or it's not.
Okay, you seem to know what you're talking about. How does Call of Duty qualify as shovelware? Pick any game. I want a thoroughly well written explanation.
I also don't know where you pulled those quotes from, but the latter isn't a reliable source and the former, well, it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't copy and paste the full definition.
Re: Review: Wheel of Fortune (Wii U)
Shovelware is not judged by time spent during development. It's the overall quality of the product.
Re: Review: Wheel of Fortune (Wii U)
@rayword45
Please read my post again. I never said you said anything. I clearly said, going by your definition, anything can considered shovelware.
Your logic, games that are quickly made, are shovelware. So that means Ocarina of Time 3D is shovelware, even though its Metascore and fanbase disagrees. And I agree with the disagreeing crowd.
Just because a game is made in one, two or even three years does qualify it as shovelware. Maybe if you played Call of Duty, you'd know what you're talking about. (Please read this post slowly so you understand my point this time.)
Re: Ubisoft Devoted Significant Resources to Watch_Dogs After E3 Reveal
@DePapier
That's not good enough.
Re: Review: Wheel of Fortune (Wii U)
@rayword45
Ratings and sales should determine whether or not something is shovelware. Something you obviously don't understand. Going by your definition, nothing that is widely considered fantastic by the gaming community, such as Half Life or Final Fantasy VII, can be considered good.
Call of Duty is not shovelware just because your ignorance blinds you.
Re: Talking Point: The Positive Power of Gaming
Bankai wrote:
So, wouldn't that mean you have no grounds to claim anything regarding this topic?
I agree to an extent. Any form of entertainment can influence bad behavior. Video games are no exception.
Re: Crytek CEO: "The Notion Of A Single Player Experience Has To Go Away"
@LDXD
Video games will always be frowned upon and ignored if all it has to offer is "good gameplay".
A game with a great story (and good gameplay), is the direction video games need to go.
Re: Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag is Confirmed For Wii U
@KonataIzumi
Call of Duty may not innovate the formula, but with every installment it does a great job of attempting multiplayer perfection and providing everything that is essential for a sequel.
Judging its fanbase over all others is unfair since its audience is huge and should not be discriminated because of a minority.
Re: Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag is Confirmed For Wii U
That Rayman delay was definitely worth it.
Re: Pwnee Studios: Nintendo Has Been Great To Work With
Great. Nintendo is slowly, yet surely coming along with the future of the industry.
Re: EA Plans For a Future With Micro-Transactions in All Games
@LDXD
I can't figure out how someone can play video games standing up. EA's supportive fans shouldn't keep you up at night. It's not unreasonable.
Re: EA Plans For a Future With Micro-Transactions in All Games
@LDXD
You do realize that these are optional, right? If you solely buy EA's game(s), you're not supporting its business decisions.
I find it rude that you think so low of EA's fanbase because they support a company they enjoy. Very low.
Re: EA Plans For a Future With Micro-Transactions in All Games
You did not comprehend my post whatsoever.
Re: EA Plans For a Future With Micro-Transactions in All Games
It's simple business tactics.
EA is losing money due to used games and competition, so it has to make up for it somehow, no? Sure, as a consumer buying an online pass may seem harsh, but that's how businesses work around bumps in the road.
Micro-transactions are absolutely optional and like in Dead Space 3, they don't make or break the game. The option is there to enhance the game and are in no way, necessary for 100% completion.
Re: Ubisoft: Beyond Good & Evil 2 Is On The Way
@SteveW
There's your problem. You didn't even give it a chance.
Re: Cliff Bleszinski Sees A Future Where Nintendo Is Out Of The Hardware Business
@DePapier
You're not God. You have no idea or proof, of what will happen to the industry next week, let alone three years from now.
And a little heads up, you're the one that looks silly here.
Re: Cliff Bleszinski Sees A Future Where Nintendo Is Out Of The Hardware Business
@Drobotic
You should write a book.
Re: Review: F-Zero (Wii U eShop / Super Nintendo)
Great review Damien. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Re: Cliff Bleszinski Sees A Future Where Nintendo Is Out Of The Hardware Business
@DePapier
That has nothing to do with Bankai's point.
Please re-read his post(s).
Re: Cliff Bleszinski Sees A Future Where Nintendo Is Out Of The Hardware Business
@Bankai
You're right. And actually, I agree with Cliff. Nintendo's Wii U failing, or even its next generation console afterwards failing, could jeopardize the company financially.
Though, this will only happen if Nintendo doesn't catch on to the basics of the mass market. Which wouldn't surprise me.
Re: Nintendo - "Innovation is Important" for the 2D Mario Series
@Tsuchiya
We get it, you don't like Mario because it's repetitive and stale just like most games on the market.
We get it.
Re: Rumour: Scribblenauts Unlimited UK Recall Due To Lack Of UK English
That's odd. Though, the language setting should be appropriate for the country it's released in.
Re: Coaster Creator 3D Ride Starts on 28th February in North America
Man, this is intense?
Re: Fan Feedback Prompted Capcom's Resident Evil: Revelations HD Development
@Roynerer
Nope.
Re: Sony Trolls Nintendo Ahead of PlayStation 4 Announcement
This isn't exactly a good idea, NintendoLife. You're just angering Nintendo fans.
Alsothisisn'tnews.Thisischildish.
Re: Mario And Donkey Kong: Minis On The Move Winding Up For 3DS eShop
@Luigifan141
Is it download only? Darn. I hope there's a demo of some sort.
Re: Animal Crossing: New Leaf Release Dates Announced For Europe And North America
This is exciting news. And just in time for Summer.
It's times like these that I wish I was a teenager again, with no job and no school. I barely have enough free time and sanity to read a book.
Re: Mario And Donkey Kong: Minis On The Move Winding Up For 3DS eShop
It definitely still has the atmosphere of its predecessors. Definite rent.
Re: Dakko Dakko Reveals Wii U Exclusive Scram Kitty And His Buddy On Rails
[Insert exaggerated positive feedback here.]
Re: Movie Review: Wreck-It Ralph
Review The Godfather and Braveheart next please.
Re: Maestro Working On New Titles For The Wii U eShop
Visually impressive and something that looks interesting to play, which is good enough for me.
Re: Journey Developer's Next Game Could Be Coming To The Wii U
@RikuzeYre
Due to it releasing on "multiple platforms" doesn't mean it's coming to Nintendo's eShop.
Anywho, yay, I guess.
Re: Sorry Australia, You're Not Getting The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct
This definitely looks rushed. I'll wait for reviews before justifying this impression.
Re: The 90's Arcade Racer Confirmed For Wii U eShop
@tyrone
All of which were ports. But you're right, I can't remember the last company to port four games onto one system in so little time and with so many bugs. Congrats.
Re: Review: Mega Man 2 (3DS eShop / NES)
Game length is not always a required aspect for games. Replay value is, on the other hand. Mega Man 2 has a lot of replay value as you can play through it many times in different ways and Philip's Youtube channel is a great example of this. Solely play the game with the mega buster, no damage runs, no item runs, speed runs, etcetera.
And "by today's standards" is an irrelevant term to be used when discussing replay value and length. Many games do not have an overabundance of game length such as Mass Effect 2 because it's not required. It never was and Mega Man 2 is an example of this.
Journey was nominated and received many awards all across the board from multiple websites as being a masterpiece yet, it was only two hours long and released in 2012, mind you.
Re: Super Mario Busters Ain't Afraid of no Ghost
@Void
Reading is always good. But that's okay.
Re: Super Mario Busters Ain't Afraid of no Ghost
@Void
This is under the "news" tab. And it's not news. It's a silly Youtube video.
Re: Super Mario Busters Ain't Afraid of no Ghost
Cool, but I come to NintendoLife for news, not silly Youtube videos.
Re: Pikmin 3 Will Allow For GamePad-Only Play
A minor detail that's actually a big deal. Great news.