You won't be able to convince me that they're not doing this intentionally. Look at the Atari 50 compilation to which they keep adding DLCs and printing new physical editions to include them. The stuff is 50 years old ...

@Styledvinny79

Interesting take. I think it's a good game that absolutely deserves a 7. I really enjoyed it while it lasted. What "best bits" from the movie did you feel were absent? I felt like they managed to cover all bases.

@ShadLink I play things on a DVD player, they simply can't deny me access. Your CD will likely work on a CD or DVD player as the discs they used were not rewritable, just blocked on PC for whatever strange reason

@carlos82

I agree with everything you said. It totally nails what it sets out to do, but the default sould have been Hasta la Vista and the easiest difficulty should have been struck off. I kind of think Bitmap Bureau made it softer because their games in the past have been criticised for being overly tough, but they may have overshot the mark here.

I've loved it though, got my first one life clear now.

You'll love Neon Inferno, it's great, but if it's challenge you're after you're really going to get it with that one.

These guys had break every single promise they said they will include about this awful Mortal Kombat Legacy Kollection.

• The collection was going to have rank online. Broken it won't have rank online.
• The collection claim to be the most komplete ever, yet it's missing so many versions of games, even fan favorites like MKII Game Gear, Ultimate MK3 Genesis, Mortal Kombat Trilogy N64, and MK Gold.
• All games (except the handheld versions) will have online play yet the Switch version of Mortal Kombat 4 isn't even getting online play.
• They said that all games will be included on the game cartridge a few months ago yet Mortal Kombat 4 is missing from the cartridge version of the collection.
• Show the Game Gear version of Mortal Kombat II in their launch trailer yet didn't even include the game in the actual release.
• The Switch 2 standard version is $10 more yet didn't even get the complete version of the game both digitally and physically.
• The Switch standard version is the same price as the other versions yet won't get online play with MK4 unlike the rest. Technically the Switch version should had been $40 instead of $50 and the Switch 2 version should had been $50 instead of $60. Digital Eclipse seem to be successful at ripping off their customers and people are giving them a pass.

You can't beat OG rockman art but nice effort NA. Still voted for JP though let's be real.

@DennyCrane In the early 2000s I was a big fan of Celine Dion. I once bought her album "A new day has come". I tried to play that on my PC.

I absolutely shouldn't have. Since it didn't work because of it's DRM. DRM on a physical disc.

They can, they have, they will.

BluRay discs use keypairs on the player. So you need to update them to get the latest keys. (They can revoke them as well)
UHD BluRay discs are even worse, since they have ACTIVE keys. Which means the player checks online everytime you start one. And defaults to 1080p or 720p if your key can't be verified. (if it plays at all) And yes, I've seen this on multiple discs.

So in other words the release was badly managed and it didn’t hit the submission deadline. The devs know what date this needs to occur so they either need to release it later or get the submission done in time.

@ShadLink I have bought thousands of DVD's and CD's over the years, I still buy DVD's now as I don't stream or anything and not a single one has ever asked for a key or online access. I can't comment on Bluray, as I watch things on a smaller screen (16" at the moment) as I am not a fan of giant TV's, so never needed to buy a Bluray

@Pat_trick There have been instances that exact physical copies have been locked. And sure if you never connect your console to the internet you won't have the issue. But you might also not be able to play newer games, since those would require newer firmware updates.

If those games come with said firmware updates.. then.. well..

@Oppal21 Any power budget costs money. Very simple. Nintendo is a company that needs to sell their console to tens of millions of people. Their power budget is constrained to that market.

They could've made a more powerful handheld easily. But in the end that would've increased the price of the console and easily have doubled it. (because you would also need a bigger battery and more powerful cooling) Which would put the Switch 2 out of reach for most casual gamers.

Consoles / PCs like the SteamDeck or any of the Windows handhelds don't really have this issue. Because they exist within a niche or have a large storefront to back them easily.

The fact is. Nintendo can't compete with Sony or Microsoft. They tried with the GameCube and the Wii U and both didn't cut it. The Wii and Switch did their own thing, which made them a lot more succesful. Something Nintendo tries to continue with the Switch 2. And honestly, I agree with them there.

@ShadLink You’re confusing revoking a playback environment with revoking the media.

DRM failures, firmware updates, and server shutdowns don’t prove physical ownership is meaningless, they prove how much infrastructure publishers have to build to fight it.

A complete, offline physical game has never been universally revoked post-sale, and all your examples rely on online services or DRM-locked players, not the media itself.

@Haruki_NLI Sony didn’t revoke a physical copy of Concord, they shut down servers for an online-only game. The disc still installs it's there’s just nothing to connect to.

That’s service termination, not ownership revocation, and it doesn’t apply to complete offline physical games at all.

@Pat_trick They can, they have and they will. There have been multiple instances of publishers revoking access to even physical forms of media. From CDs, DVDs, BluRay discs (try to watch one when the signing key is revoked you'll see), games on floppy, games on discs, games on cartridges.

Some older hardware didn't have any ways to verify a digital license. But since devices have started getting firmware and game updates this has absolutely changed.

@Haruki_NLI Well that was an online game reliant on servers etc and very different to say this game here

@Pat_trick Sony managed to revoke the complete physical copy of Concord easily enough.

@Davestator yes i know the feeling, shmups are my favourite genre. But this game kills me. I can never get past the level where the screen scrolls backwards, drives me mad lol.

the teaser taught us something: never mess up with Luigi.

@Kilamanjaro I want all the too, and actually, after playing city trial, I want smash run brought back. I would play battle royal smash bros.

@ShadLink “You only own a license” is technically true but functionally meaningless. The real difference is enforcement.

A publisher can revoke a digital game instantly. They cannot practically revoke a complete physical copy without extreme and often illegal action.

That difference is why physical media still matters, and why pretending digital and physical are the same is dishonest.

@ShadLink Whilst that is true, but if your console is not connected to the internet (I keep it off and check updates etc) unless they come and knock on my door they can't really stop me playing my physical media

@Pat_trick I actually saw an interesting take on game key cards the other day. Now, whilst I think they are absolutely better than code in the box I have never liked the idea, but the guy had a good take. The reason for game key cards or at least meant to be, is that the game will struggle to run from the cart, so why not have the game on the cart and have it download to your console, much like a PS game, and thus solving the issue of buying what is essentially a code on a cart and have happy consumers.

@Pat_trick If you buy a digital or a physical game you ONLY ever own a license to that game. A license that can be revoked by the copyright holder because of the terms that are included. And yes, those are entirely legal.

And no physical medium is going to save your game if it's owner decides you can't play it anymore.

@ArcadeSixties Wanting a complete, offline-playable copy of a game isn’t about “investment value”, it’s about owning what you bought, preservation, and honesty in how products are sold.

“Other platforms do it too” isn’t a defense, and dismissing criticism as “cringe” doesn’t address the real problem that key cards undermine physical media while pretending not to.

That’s why people are upset. Don't dismiss other people's opinions just because they don't align with yours.

@PinballBuzzbro There’s only one universe. It literally means everything as a whole, but I’d wager you already knew this and are being snarky.

Also, you are misreading my comment, I didn’t say it was rushed. Being rushed and being incomplete are completely different circumstances.

@ArcadeSixties Well that's a bit unfair, there are plenty of people who buy physical because they want to own and keep the game and something like this especially so, being a piece of history and a part of many a childhood.
It's understandable when the game is to big for a cart, but otherwise is feels cheap and with this collection in particular, when it was preordered by people, they were told and so expecting all the content on the cart. I would say it's fair to be a bit grumpy it is not.

The game already has patches on PC that haven't made it to consoles yet and thus it was never going to be feature-complete on cartridge on first print, so I really don't actually see the harm here.

It’s going to be really interesting what this does to the second hand/retro gaming market in 10-15-20 years.

@ArcadeSixties I agree entirely. Complaining about it doesn't make it go away. It will in the end change nothing. Even if all complainers stop buying the game, it will be less than a rounding error on the sales total.

And that is the only thing that counts.

Way too many key cards

@burninmylight Yup the people who complain about people complaining. I always hated that, it's like they want standards to be as low as possible.

I'm a big supporter of physical media (honestly just because it's nice having games ready to play) but even I've accepted these kinds of things are pretty standard

I think it was around the time I bought the bioshock collection and found it wasn't all on cart

A game that's almost three decades old "did not make it to the Switch cart in time for physical release."

I can't imagine the kind of crunch those guys must've been dealing with trying to get a port of an N64 game out on time.

@JayJ People with that logic think you're childish for wanting a refund at a restaurant for messing up your order.

Just finished Prince of Persia Lost Crown. It’s listed as being fully compatible but it would start to chug at times. Pressing the home button and then opening the game right back up would fix it. Is there a way to report issues with backwards compatibility to Nintendo?

I blame Christmas.

@ArcadeSixties I don't see how excepting to get what you paid for is "child-like behavior." If anything being okay with companies not including a complete product is a sign of low/juvenile standards. Demanding a complete product is how responsible adults approach their purchases.

They should have warned about this sooner, that was an ugly move.

But I think I'll get it on Switch or Switch 2 (I need to know if games run better on Switch 2 or something, but not paying extra for support reasons only) anyway, because I don't want to play Game Gear games on a big screen on PS5.

Besides, Digital Eclipse has said if more games' emulation get sorted out there will be DLC anyway, so it's not that the collection would have always been 100% in a cart / disc.

For now I'll wait. Two things are probable and can happen together, given Digital Eclipse history after seeing what they did with Atari 50: huge price drops and better editions down the line. In the meantime, they have bugs to fix anyway.

@Athropos If it's not related to the file size then there is no good reason to not include it as storage limits is literally the only good excuse they could possibly have, anything else is just a lame excuse.

Oh no, some people will go crazy now, killing the developers with words: HOW COULD THEY, I WON'T BUY THIS! 😂

It’s really bizarre that I prefer playing the version without the update rather than the updated version on the Switch 2.

@notreallyhere

I thought it was okay but kept waiting for a sale / price that never came. People complain about first-party Nintendo games never going on sale but Mario Wonder has had better and more frequent sales than Ultimate Alliance.

@ArcadeSixties so much cringe in gaming from adults acting like children it’s becoming common

@Athropos @mouseclicker Oh, I genuinely didn't catch that, my bad. I suppose that's what I get for glimpsing over the article and not noticing the quotes.

The window to submit the Switch build must've been strict if all the other platforms have MK4 included just fine.

Why does Nintendo and/ or devs get so much grief for stuff like this when it happens daily on Xbox and PlayStation? Seriously, Nintendo fans just need to admit that they are only interested in physical releases due to their value as “investments” and no other reason. The childlike behavior of grown adults when it comes to Key Cards and everything else is beyond cringe at this point.

At least I still have and play with my N64 cartridge which contains a full bug free build 😏

And btw, iirc, that collection contains the arcade version, not the much smaller N64 port.

@Viator_ @JayJ Maybe read the article before commenting? Its explained why it's not included and spoiler alert, it's not related to the file size.

It's a great game and everybody loves it, but no more studio that's it gone!

No wonder I no longer care about any of these dev teams, even their own publishers don't care about them.