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Topic: Why does everyone pick Final Destination >:(

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RJay

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I am sick of this stage in Smash Bros Brawl. I prefer to play online, but they always pick the same stage over and over again!!! I can't stand looking at it anymore. Once in a while is okay, but I like to play a variety of stages, and I can't understand why people would want to pick Final Destination 10 times in a row sometimes.

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Nathan

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Hey, when I play it, I just care if I can get a good clean connection without lag (without much at least). But you also have the ability to influence the stage choice.

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Twilight_Crow

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Well, I friend of mine always picks Final Destination too, he says there he can focus in his combos or whatever, I believe everyone picks it because there are no traps or weird stuff happening in there just you and your oponents, that way (and without items) there's less chance for good players to lost against not that good players by accident; they just want to play the game in a more sober way.

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Chatham

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Because there are no environment deaths. It is the recognized map for MLG Brawl/Melee matches. If you play pro, you play on Final D... And that's about it.

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RJay

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Couldn't you argue though, that if you have to rely on one stage then maybe you aren't so skilled??? Shouldn't people be learning how to use the environment to their advantage?? I mean it's fair because everyone plays the same environment, so I don't see why you can't be a skilled player on 75m or something

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Chatham

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It's about fighting, not knocking someone off of the edge with an OP spring they grabbed out of the environment.

If you want a fighting atmosphere to determine this, you have Final D. I mix it up with the other stage, which for the life of me I can't remember the name of Battle-something... It has three platforms, but is mostly like Final D.

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EaterOfDays

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I Think Because It's So Simple, and No Evironmental Kills

But, I Agree, The Environment Jus' Adds to the Challenge, and The Thrill

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James

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But surely if you're worried about playing Smash Bros. without distractions and all that strange stuff happening, you're playing the wrong game..!

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Golgo

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Agreed. Isn't part of the fun of this game about dealing with all the environmental mentalness going on?
And as for wanting to play it 'professionally'?! This just ain't that kind of game.

BTW: I picked Big Blue (Melee) stage the other day, which is an utterly crazy side-on F-Zero race although I'd had a bit of a practise at it. The other players were totally non-plussed, however (maybe too fixated on Final Destination?!), and I won without having to do much at all. They just kept falling foul of environmental hazards. Hilarious it was.

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Adam

10. Posted:

RJay wrote:

Couldn't you argue though, that if you have to rely on one stage then maybe you aren't so skilled???

Well said! Competitive players are used to playing Smash Brothers under completely different conditions. When you turn off all the items and only play on Final Destination 1 on 1, you're playing a completely different game. I wish the competitive scene would realize they are in denial about this. Smash Brothers is a party game. It is not Street Fighter IV. I hate having to play Final Destination over and over because of people who usually aren't that good anyway, at least in my experience. I think maybe they just don't know how to handle four-player matches and/or items. It's sad when there are so many great stages getting neglected. We've waited so long for all the content in this game, and they are still trying to turn it into Melee. I usually drop out after I've beaten them at least once. :)

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CowLaunch

11. Posted:

I like custom stages, it keeps things fresh.

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Adam

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Me too. I've made quite a few. It's too bad you can't play them online. :(

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Watchful_Eye

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By the way, it is not true that Final Destination is the one and only stage in competitive smash - it is also not the considered as the most "balanced". The absence of platforms benefits certain characters, for example Diddy Kong (Bananas), Ice Climbers (Chain Grab) or Fox/Falco/Wolf (Lasers).

Final Destination, Battlefield, Yoshis Island and Smashville are all considered as "neutral", while Smashville tends to be seen as the most balanced one. But even in competetive matches, you usually may choose between certain "counterpick stages" after youve lost which have some random events which advantage your character or your playstyle (Rainbow Cruise, Delfino Plaza, Halberd).

I agree with the start posting - on the hand, because of the thing I mentioned; on the other hand, because I just dont want to play smash competetively when I play "Basic Brawl" Online (it doesnt indicate your skill anyway).

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Chatham

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I agree that if you are going to play Brawl online, you are playing for fun... Not competitve MLG stuff. Most of what I said reflects the opinions of my old Ninty co-workers who were MLG Melee-ers. But I love every stage, the variety is what makes Brawl so appealing. Custom stages are amazing too...

One of the funnest custom stages I've made was basically a box with a small opening at the top. Getting up to 800% damage and bouncing your buddy off the walls with every hit gets hella funny. But that's just for fun every now and again...

YouTube some MLG Brawl and Melee matches and you'll be impressed... Even though it's always Final D.

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H_Hog

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Stages aside, I love "pro players".
I love how they swear on using no items.
I love how they feverishly hit Start+L/R/A/Start when someone chooses any stage besides FD, Battlefield or Smashville.
But I especially love beating everyone's High-Tier Meta Knight/Snake/Falco-using ass with my trusty "F-tier" Lucas. ;P

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Adam

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I'm sure I'd get destroyed in no item tournaments, but I play Claus, also, and win a lot of matches online, even when against people who continually pick FD each match and give off the impression (as much as you can get through Brawl online) that they at least think they are pros. Winning is always a great feeling, but nothing is more satisfying than winning again and again with a character that people think is no good. :)

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Digiki

17. Posted:

__adam wrote:

Well said! Competitive players are used to playing Smash Brothers under completely different conditions. When you turn off all the items and only play on Final Destination 1 on 1, you're playing a completely different game. I wish the competitive scene would realize they are in denial about this. Smash Brothers is a party game.

Saying that, is worse than people who pick FD all the time. They're just playing how they want, which is how it's meant to be played, saying one playstyle is the wrong one is elitism, and another right is elitism.

Chatham seems to know his stuff, although there is more than just FD (and FD isn't even the most balanced stage), it's mostly just scrubs that play Basic Brawl though, most of the better players just go on gamefaqs or whatever to exchange FCs.

FD and other such stages are used due to them being balanced, as well as being good for combat on. The stage doesn't determine skill, a great player that only plays FD, will beat an okay player that plays every stage, most of the time regardless of game settings. Some stages are also banned because of huge disadvantages can be created, like DeDeDe can chaingrab a lot of the cast to death on stages with walk-off ledges, and lots of characters can be comboed infinitely off of walls.

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Stuffgamer1

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I had a friend over a week ago, and he kept picking Final Destination. Pissed me right off. That stage just isn't very much fun, imo!

I like the challenge of beating my friends on Rainbow Cruise while playing as Ganondorf. I also made a custom level that's almost nothing but fall-away blocks, so you get an idea of what kind of zaniness I like. But I do NOT use any heavy character there, EVER! Even I have limits.

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Adam

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Yes, but that is the nature of the game. It is not the design intent to always be completely fair. That's much of what makes it so fun. No one is going to claim it's fair that someone who has been KOed a lot can come back with a pity Final Smash (or whatever it's called), but it is amusing.

They aren't playing wrong, but it's just not what the game was made for, so it is annoying to get stuck playing FD ten times in a row or more due to the silly notion that it's the best stage (and I know it's not, but most people, at least online, seem to have that misconception that FD is the pro stage). Other than that, I have nothing against the tournament scene. I just think they are missing out on a lot that the game has to offer by narrowing down the options to certain stages and generally snubbing most of the characters in favor of top-tiers. To each his own, though. I only complain when it affects me online because I hate playing FD. :(

So perhaps it would be more appropriate if I clarified it this way: Nothing against competitive players in general, but the people online who think they're as good as your average tournament winner (or at least look up to those players) -- those are the people who annoy me.

Anyway, I'll live. Smash like you want to.

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WindOnFire

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I don't even have a chance to be annoyed at people who always pick the same stage. There is so much lag I have to quit :(

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