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Philip_J_Reed

41. Posted:

Satoru Iwata should be playable in Mad Men Football.

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42. Posted:

He shouldn't be fired because his watch got them in the position they are in now. Even the minor losses are insignificant really. (At the current rates they will be ok until after I am dead).

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43. Posted:

My beef with Iwata is that he didn't capitalize on the success of the Wii and DS to help bolster their upcoming platforms. Nintendo's biggest problem with the Wii U is that it's taking them forever to release games on it in a steady fashion. This is happening because they didn't take into account that HD game development takes way more people and resources to release in the same time frame as previous generations. That, combined with their handling of online systems, is really hurting them.

I don't know if firing Iwata is going to solve anything, though. The Wii U is not going to be a success at this point. It's clear that people are not really attracted to the main gimmick the Wii U provides, as well as developers. Pretty much any already-existing games can't really take advantage of the current set-up the Wii U can provide, with the exception of strategy games, which aren't going to come because people that like to play strategy games are already knee-deep into the PC market. Sure, devs can make new types of games, but why would they want to do that when they could just go multiplatform and have the least amount of risk. Indies aren't going to be willing to create interesting types of games that utilize the gamepad in a manner in which the game would only work on that platform because doing so would be too risky. This results in a unique controller that is extremely underutilized, especially by Nintendo, who is unwilling to take risks in the games they release because of how hard the Wii U is failing. At this point, abandoning the gamepad is also a bad idea, since it's basically the only thing separating the Wii U from the competition in a somewhat positive light, meaning that Nintendo has no good options at its disposal. Iwata and the rest of Nintendo misfired on this one. A new guy in charge wouldn't be able to do anything, though. They just need to tough it out and deal with what will likely be 4-5 years of not making much money or losing money.

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44. Posted:

If Iwata were to step down, I hope he starts up another studio for Nintendo instead of leaving the company entirely.

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45. Posted:

I have a great fondness of Mr Iwata and hope that he remains as CEO of Nintendo for a good while yet; he understands video gaming and is not overly corporate. Nintendo is a company that upholds traditional values and I have a great respect for that, compared to the unscrupulous practices of Sony and Microsoft. Free online play, quality well-polished games, rewards for loyal customers (club Nintendo), bringing families and friends together through local multiplayer and download play e.t.c. Of course what is good for the consumer is not always in the best interest of the investors. I would be very sad to see Nintendo abandon hardware and start releasing free to play games on phones with their awful for gaming touch screens.

I am not concerned about the Wii U for now, its certainly had a slow start but I expect things to pick up over the next year (like the 3DS did). Nintendo have been around for a long time and they have some super clever and talented people working for them. What a lot of people don't seem to realise is that Nintendo is not in direct competition with Sony and Microsoft, they separate themselves by having unique hardware and software which provides a totally different experience. I see a lot of people bashing the Wii U for being underpowered or saying that the gamepad is pointless, it seems that if a product does not appeal to someone they have to be negative about it (human nature I guess). Personally I think Nintendo did a great job with the Wii U, its an amazing piece of hardware with so many possibilities, remote play is an amazing feature and quite a technical feat. All I wish for is more software and new and interesting ips which I hope will be revealed at this years E3.

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46. Posted:

Philip_J_Reed wrote:

Satoru Iwata should be playable in Mad Men Football.

YES.

I'm going to go post on AE Games blog right now and suggest this.

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47. Posted:

Yeah, maybe they will fire Iwata and the new guy will just want to focus on software a la Sega.

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48. Posted:

Satoru Iwata should be fired, yeah I get that he was around for the Wii but wasn't he also around for the GC? So what did he do to make the GC a success (it wasn't a failure but it wasn't the great hit Nintendo needed it to be) and with the Wii U? It's just sad to see that man try. As a business man he should have been smart enough to see that the Wii U wasn't gonna make it considering they were trying to focus on the casual gamers that weren't going to buy a Wii U because gaming isn't a thing for casuals. I mean everyone else saw it coming how is it that Iwata did not? Guess he thought he'd get lucky a second and probably thought the casuals would eat up the tablet controller thing but come on it's only for videogames and people don't want to spend $350 on a videogame only tablet (because let's not forget that people thought the Wii U was a tablet for the Wii and not an actual system, and even now some people still think that). This is all stuff that shouldn't have gone past Iwata but it did because he has the "we're Nintendo mentality we do what we want even when our decisions are obviously stupid". Funny thing is now that his *** is on the line now he's considering phones as a possible platform (it wouldn't have lead to this if he had made some better choices). So I say fire him, it's a job not a charity, Iwata is a businessman first not a friend (which people seem to think he is because they're enamored with his Nintendo Direct persona). If you look at Iwata in the way of business, he should have been gone a while ago, but most of you people think he's awesome because he wears a Luigi cap on Nintendo Direct.

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49. Posted:

kereke12 wrote:

replaced with someone new who isn't afraid to go out there and explore?

Fine! I'll do it.

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He shouldn't be fired because his watch got them in the position they are in now.

This is Iwata's watch right here:
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50. Posted:

Klimbatize wrote:

Philip_J_Reed wrote:

Satoru Iwata should be playable in Mad Men Football.

YES.

I'm going to go post on AE Games blog right now and suggest this.

Unfortunately, all comments posted on that fine website need to be approved first. I wonder why?!

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51. Posted:

unrandomsam wrote:

He shouldn't be fired because his watch got them in the position they are in now. Even the minor losses are insignificant really. (At the current rates they will be ok until after I am dead).

Most money anybody got from any single franchise was from Wii Fit and Wii Fit +. Rewards on something like that paying off are massive.

There's also this. They made SOOOOOO much damn money with the Wii and it's Wii Sports/Wii Fit games, Mario Kart, licensing fees, etc. There's basically no way they can be in trouble. The problem is that they are using a reserve of money that investors think they should be seeing growth in. When Wii Fit and Mario Kart Wii were bringing in the dough, everything was fine, but once a penny is lost, all tolerance, patience, and rational thinking has been lost.

That's how I think of it, anyway. They're probably trying to figure out how to embrace the market with Wii U, as they did with Wii. Considering the stakes are higher and the market has changed, it's not surprising to see Nintendo being idle.

Everyone is all like, "Where the marketing, Nintendo? FAIL." Maybe they are waiting to market more effectively. The only thing worse than no marketing, is noneffective marketing.

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52. Posted:

mamp wrote:

Satoru Iwata should be fired, yeah I get that he was around for the Wii but wasn't he also around for the GC?

Yamauchi stepped down in 2002, after GameCube's launch, so Iwata shouldn't be taking that much flak for how the GameCube did, considering the DS came out in 2004, and we all know how successful that was.

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53. Posted:

mamp wrote:

Satoru Iwata should be fired, yeah I get that he was around for the Wii but wasn't he also around for the GC? So what did he do to make the GC a success (it wasn't a failure but it wasn't the great hit Nintendo needed it to be) and with the Wii U? It's just sad to see that man try. As a business man he should have been smart enough to see that the Wii U wasn't gonna make it considering they were trying to focus on the casual gamers that weren't going to buy a Wii U because gaming isn't a thing for casuals. I mean everyone else saw it coming how is it that Iwata did not? Guess he thought he'd get lucky a second and probably thought the casuals would eat up the tablet controller thing but come on it's only for videogames and people don't want to spend $350 on a videogame only tablet (because let's not forget that people thought the Wii U was a tablet for the Wii and not an actual system, and even now some people still think that). This is all stuff that shouldn't have gone past Iwata but it did because he has the "we're Nintendo mentality we do what we want even when our decisions are obviously stupid". Funny thing is now that his *** is on the line now he's considering phones as a possible platform (it wouldn't have lead to this if he had made some better choices). So I say fire him, it's a job not a charity, Iwata is a businessman first not a friend (which people seem to think he is because they're enamored with his Nintendo Direct persona). If you look at Iwata in the way of business, he should have been gone a while ago, but most of you people think he's awesome because he wears a Luigi cap on Nintendo Direct.

Even from a business sense, Iwata is not as bad as people claim him to be. There are CEOs all the time that have bad years, and I don't understand why the first solution is replacing them.

"Oh hey, let's fire the guy in charge. That will solve everything, right?!" Actually, this is also a BS claim. There have been companies that were so bad that a new CEO did not save them. See: JCPenney for example. Nintendo is nowhere near this position. They will not declare bankruptcy soon and they have plenty of money stored away. Iwata is fine.

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54. Posted:

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Personally, I don't think he should be fired. We (all of society) put FAR too much emphasis on the CEOs and treat them like a scapegoat every time something goes wrong. Yes, they are responsible to an extent, but at the same time they cannot fully control their company like many people want to believe.

Same thing with football team's. When they have a couple lackluster seasons, everybody cries "fire the coach". Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

In my personal opinion, Nintendo should be concerned with becoming "top dog" again in the gamin industry, and it can't and won't happen this gen., next gen., or even the one after that. The next couple consoles Nintendo makes can still be "innovative", but they have to find a way to speak volumes to developers and the general gaming populace in order for this to work.

In all honestly, I don't have a good answer on how they should do this. Just my ideas.

Also, I'm pretty indifferent on whether Iwata should be fired, but the claims that Reggie needs to go are not valid without further information. Where does his responsibility end and Iwata's begins? How many of his ideas have been rejected by his management, etc.?

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55. Posted:

mamp wrote:

Satoru Iwata should be fired, yeah I get that he was around for the Wii but wasn't he also around for the GC? So what did he do to make the GC a success (it wasn't a failure but it wasn't the great hit Nintendo needed it to be) and with the Wii U? It's just sad to see that man try. As a business man he should have been smart enough to see that the Wii U wasn't gonna make it considering they were trying to focus on the casual gamers that weren't going to buy a Wii U because gaming isn't a thing for casuals. I mean everyone else saw it coming how is it that Iwata did not? Guess he thought he'd get lucky a second and probably thought the casuals would eat up the tablet controller thing but come on it's only for videogames and people don't want to spend $350 on a videogame only tablet (because let's not forget that people thought the Wii U was a tablet for the Wii and not an actual system, and even now some people still think that). This is all stuff that shouldn't have gone past Iwata but it did because he has the "we're Nintendo mentality we do what we want even when our decisions are obviously stupid". Funny thing is now that his *** is on the line now he's considering phones as a possible platform (it wouldn't have lead to this if he had made some better choices). So I say fire him, it's a job not a charity, Iwata is a businessman first not a friend (which people seem to think he is because they're enamored with his Nintendo Direct persona). If you look at Iwata in the way of business, he should have been gone a while ago, but most of you people think he's awesome because he wears a Luigi cap on Nintendo Direct.

This is a joke right? As said before, Iwata wasn't responsible for the GameCube, Yamauchi was CEO at that time. To be honest, nobody saw this coming. The Wii was a huge succes, yet ''casual'' gamers bought the system, why wouldn't they do the same with the Wii U? (well, there's loads of reasons, but the Wii has proven that gaming can reach far bigger audiences than it does now) Besides, Iwata himself said he wanted to focus more on the already existing fan-base with the Wii U, as opposed to a non-gaming community, like the Wii did.

Nintendo is stubborn, but that's the great thing about them. If they listened to all its fans, they would be off worse by now. Also, he never considered phones as a possible platform, au contraire, he actually refused to consider it as a platform, despite Nintendo's shareholders suggesting this. I don't know where you got your information, but you might want to read some actual news articles before posting nonsense like this.

He has done a great job with the Wii, DS, and 3DS. Now the Wii U isn't doing as great as expected, and all of a sudden everybody wants to see the CEO gone. Right... Either bring a solution to the table, or don't say anything.

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56. Posted:

unrandomsam wrote:

He shouldn't be fired because his watch got them in the position they are in now.

This is Iwata's watch right here:
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Actually, it's Reggie's!

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57. Posted:

KennyPowers wrote:

Klimbatize wrote:

Philip_J_Reed wrote:

Satoru Iwata should be playable in Mad Men Football.

YES.

I'm going to go post on AE Games blog right now and suggest this.

Unfortunately, all comments posted on that fine website need to be approved first. I wonder why?!

I'm actually an AE Games insider and they sent me this motion capture shot of Iwata for the game! Iwata also found a use for the GamePad with its ability to help with motion capture. Pretty sweet, huh?

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58. Posted:

At the very least, we should wait until E3 before pondering this question again. Yeah, under his direction, Nintendo's been tanking lately, but I at least want to see what he's doing to fix things first. We still haven't seen how he intends to use the Gamepad, for all we know they could turn out to be revolutionary.

Either way though, I think Nintendo as a whole needs a change in philosophy, because what they're doing right now isn't working for the HD era. Nintendo's problems with bringing a steady stream of games to their consoles pretty much proves that you can't get anywhere without third party support anymore, and their online infrastructure needs some serious upgrades. I have absolutely no doubt that if they continue to do what they're doing that they're going to withdraw from the console market by the end of 9th or 10th gen.

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I think it's fair to assume e3 will have an impact on his tenure and Nintendo as a whole. It can be THE turning point for Wii U

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60. Posted:

SMEXIZELDAMAN wrote:

Of course he should. Why not? He is responsible for all of Nintendo's greatest failures after all.

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@CrazyOtto Great alternative. If all else fails, why take Iwata out of the driver's seat? Put him in control of a different company with less riding on its shoulders so he can experiment as he pleases!

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