Topic: Mario Overkill

I like how TC mentioned Captain Toad and Yoshi's Wooly World as if they have Mario.

Pretty much agree with this. I don't even really see Mario Golf as a "Mario" game. I think you need to be jumping over something for it to count- fight a boss etc. But the bottom line is that Mario sells. I was pretty surprised to see that 4m plus copies of NSMBU had sold when there are 6.1 million Wii Us out there. If you aren't big on Mario and/or Mario themed games, you got the wrong system. (Granted, I'm not big on NSMBU, but I bought it and have put about 15 hours on it. It's just something I enjoy picking up every now and then but doubt I'll finish it).

What I don't like is when the next entry doesn't raise the bar or change things completely.

And full price games that are not packed with content (Like Smash Bros / 3D World etc).

Or when entries are too close together. (Yoshi's Island DS -> Yoshi's New Island is a good gap - same with Donkey Kong Country 3 -> DKCR.)

I'm pretty sure most people would agree that DKC3 -> DKCR is not a good gap, unless you're talking about the GBA remake of DKC3.

Personally I seem to enjoy the games far more if I have forgotten as much as possible in the meantime.

Totally! Nintendo joked at E3 about the Mario games overkill, only to just announce YET another batch of Mario games (Mario maker, Mario party 10, Mario vs DK and Toad treasure tracker. Though that last one looks cool)! Is that all Nintendo can do?! What about alllll their other franchises?!

Frankly I get a bit sick of seeing his jolly face, because I have seen it to often. True, If they come up with a very cool looking new Mario I might still buy it. But pleaaaasse, pleeeaaasse Nintendo, can it be a bit less frequent?

As for the people who wonder why I mention Toad tracker? Well, because it has clearly its foundation in Mario 3D world!

I will say, people should just accept that Mario games will keep getting made.

Mario is really just a skin Nintendo uses to sell new ideas to consumers. People then love those ideas and a series is formed. Mario lends itself to more ideas than the other franchises. Mario vs Donkey Kong is a completely different series than Mario Party.

It could be worse. If you count from 2003, there's been twice as many Call of Duty games released as there have been actual Mario games (Galaxy, Sunshine, 3D Land/World, etc).

The day Nintendo sees the sales of another of their franchises exceed the sales of the Mario Titles, they might refocus. When 60% of all the wii U owners own a pretty mediocre (IMO) 2D Mario title and when Mario Party 10 is by far the most viewed E3 trailer from Nintendo, something tells me Nintendo might have some focus on what sells the most.

And yet, that jolly face of Mario appears exactly 0 times in those captain Toad levels.

Ok, lemme just point out: Mario Maker is a software tool. It helps make user-created content. And it's the only actual Mario game in the entire Digital Event (which is what the joke was about, that there wouldn't be any Mario games in the Digital Event.) Mario Party 10, while featuring Mario and his pals, should not be classified in the same group as Mario Maker as it is a PARTY game. Not a Platformer. Mario Vs. DK is even further, being a PUZZLE game and not actually featuring Mario, himself, but a bunch of wind-up toys based on Mario.

But are you SERIOUSLY classifying Captain Toad as a Mario Title? Seriously? While we're at it, let's just classify all the Yoshi games, WarioWare gamers, and Donkey Kong games as Mario games! Heck! Why stop there?! Birdo's a Mario character, right? So clearly, Captian Rainbow must be a Mario game! Oh, but we're not done, here, because Wart appears in Mario's dreams, but he also appears on Koholint island, as do chain chomps, goombas, a doll modeled after Yoshi, and quite a number of other Mario-themed objects. Guess Zelda games count as Mario games, too. Don't forget that Final Fantasy characters play sports with Mario characters on Mario Sports Mix and really, every Nintendo franchise is seen in the same world with Mario, when it comes to Smash.

Honestly, I could keep going, but I think you understand how silly the logic is by this point. Just because Mario has been in a game with it doesn't mean any game featuring that thing must immediately be a Mario game. Classifying Captain Toad as a Mario title is about the most pointless thing you can do in terms of generalization. You'd gain nothing out of it, aside from needlessly hating on a game because it shares an IP with a certain plumber.

I'm sorry, but this topic has struck me as absolutely plain stupid from the get-go. whine whine whine Mario gets so much attention whine whine whine Does anyone ever think that MAYBE this might be because Mario is actually a big part of Nintendo's history? MAYBE this might be because Mario sells really well. MAYBE this might be because when Mario's on the cover, 9 times out of 10, gamers can rest assured that it'll be a decent game. Maybe not new. Maybe not special. But good, all the same.

I understand if you're tired of the character, but I've got a little bit of news for ya... YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY HIS GAMES! Yeah, imagine that! Don't want the games? Don't buy them? Console doesn't have enough games to sustain you, otherwise? Don't buy the console the games are on, since there's clearly not enough content on the system that you actually care about.

Oh, but what's that? Maybe you actually like the games and buy them because they're good games? THEN WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING? This topic is just so incredibly annoying. I love the character and I love his games. Maybe not as much as I love Yoshi and Zelda, but Mario has never truly let me down. I know better than to rely on the face, however, because a sports game is still a sports game, and I know I won't enjoy it. Maybe look at the gameplay instead of focusing on the one thing that annoys you about the game, yeah?

And while we're on that, maybe look at all the non-Mario games that Nintendo announced this year, instead of sitting here whining about literally four titles. Talk about ungrateful. We got plenty of really good titles, many of which were absolute Godsends for the fanbase. What is so horrible about getting an editing tool, finally getting a Mario Party on Wii U, finally getting a Mario vs. DK on Wii U, and getting a completely original idea fleshed out into a full game? Especially when you have a new Zelda coming, a few new IPs that we'd never seen before, the return of Star Fox to potential prominence, if things go well for it, a new Yoshi game that actually appears to live up to the hype of the original (don't know how long that opinion's gonna last), a successor to Canvas Curse, remakes to Poke'mon Ruby and Sapphire, and of all things, A NEW SMASH BROS! AND MORE! It really depresses me that we get all these great announcements and people are getting caught up over literally four titles that are heavily associated with Mario. What, did you actually expect them not to bring their mascot to the show?

I demand more Mario games. I want a 1st person Mario shooter, a 3rd person Mario Shooter, a Mario dating sim, a Mario hack & slash and a Mario vs Zombie game!!!

@UGXwolf I wholeheartedly agree. Mario compared to other Nintendo franchises just reaches to the top. I can't think of a Nintendo device that doesn't have Mario in it at all. If anything, I'd be shocked that it doesn't have Mario in it.

@UGXwolf Pretty much won it here. Now we can all go home.

What depresses me is minor upgrades to what we had last time. Sequels that don't raise the bar.

People are complaining about Nintendo using the ever same themes for their games and yet, everyone else gets away scot free with it.
No one seems to care that FPSs only starr the same military guys, holding the same guns, fighting the same enemys and yet, seeing Mario in several games, that differ greatly in gameplay is a problem ?

Im just glad that Nintendo is pretty much the only company that still knows what a mascot is and how to treat them.
"Mario" isnt a type of game, heck, hes barely even a character. Its more an overall theme.
Just tell me: Take whatever Mario game you like and switch out everything related to the Mario Universe. Would it make the game better or worse or would it still be the same ?

Well Nintendo fans complain constantly about this; "Yet another samey grey/brown gritty dudebro shooter" etc. (as well as with annual sports games like FIFA and Madden, as if Nintendo wouldn't do exactly the same thing if they had the licenses). There's hypocrisy on both sides. No one really has a leg to stand on (except maybe I don't know, Treasure fanboys...?) when it comes to "Company X milks franchise Y. Company X releases yet another Y that's just like the last one", etc. which makes me wonder why the argument even exists, yet it will still go on.

fanboys, when they aren't saying all is perfect in whatever they like they are busy complaining about something...
especially Nintendo fanboys, complain about the lack of new games and excess of remakes then Nintendo announces codename S.T.E.A.M. and they complain how they wanted Majora's Mask 3DS instead... :/

though I can't say much, I'm helplessly optimistic about everything Nintendo has announced, so much you could call me a fanboy too and I wouldn't have the right to say I'm not

@unrandomsam not every sequel requires major improvement over the previous one. The Mario & Luigi series for example is a series that hasn't changed much of gameplay with the exception of new mechanics but other than new mechanics, everything else remains the same. Infact Sequels tend to make it annoying and just make some wonder "Why this change all of a sudden?". Example in M&L series, from the third game onwards, you need to get attack pieces to learn a new move which is ridiculous btw because if learning them from the original and the sequel isn't a problem, why make it a problem? Why get all pieces just to learn one move. Infact the way that these attack pieces work in the stories itself is plain pointless.

But does that ruin the entire series? No. Sticker Star was a major disappointment to a lot of us(even me) but that didn't stop others from liking it right?

@Artwark that's true but once a wise man said "balance is the key", too many changes might be bad but not enough changes can be as bad if not worse.
and sticker star wasn't so bad, if they did a few small things differently(like adding actual rewards for not avoiding fights) it could have been a whole lot better