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Yeah bigger magic wand/spellbook worlds and more detailed full body waggle mini game compilations ;)

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Bankai wrote:

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If this is true, wonderful news indeed. More consoles sold means more games likely to come out in a better time frame.

You do understand these numbers are not great??

Especially when most of the people interested in the console will have bought one by now
Only BIG price cuts and things called "games" will save it in the future.

And once Microsoft and Sony have revealed the future 360/ps3 then Nintendo will sell even less as people wait for them

So please enlighten me exactly as to what is that you - and everybody else who posts the same generic response - expects from Sony and Microsoft.

I keep reading 'Yousa guys, yousa gonna wait for PS720!!111!!' but I have yet to see any links or read any actual specifications.

I'll tell you all this much - the graphics won't get higher resolution until TVs undergo another radical upgrade of standards, so what else are you all expecting that's going to come in costing less than US$400???

I seriously doubt that many of the nay-sayers have a handle on technical limitations and cost but I hope to be surprised by a well-researched response....

Interesting that you assume the only thing the next gen hardware from Sony and Microsoft will offer is upgraded graphics. Silly assumption that completely ignores everyting that those two compnies have been doing in the last few years.

Sony's acquisiton of Gaikai and Microsft's heavy investment in Cloud technology are clear indications that the nxt gen of consoles from those companies are going to offer innovations well beyond mere graphic updates.

Furthermore, more powerful hardware means more that simply prettier visuals. It means enhanced AI, larger worlds, better framerates and plenty other things that free up developers to do more new creative experiences.

Interesting that you assume that I assumed only graphics.

I'm quite aware of what can be done beyond 'MOAR PIXLS' and in fact I've posted something very similar to yours in a different thread, with possibly just as much smarminess to boot.

Except I mentioned in my post that there comes a point of diminishing returns with potentially too much visual info being effectively wasted because it plays no active part in the game - e.g Battlefield 2 had some cool graphics in it's day but some people deliberately switched to a lower screen graphics 'intensity' to their advantage.

Faster frame-rates is a given but not all HDTVs refresh at more than 50/60Hz - these are TVs not monitors being played on - and human persistance of vision kicks in below 30fps.

Then factor in not only the graphics card computations in terms of layering rather than just more dots in the picture but the programming required and the storage medium for the data

We could also throw in other moans about the Wii U as fixes for the new Sonysoft consoles as well as some 'unique' ideas - up to four local-players each using glasses-free 3d multi-touch 9-axis tablets, tablet-borne facial recognition, Failbook/Twaddler connectivity from the menu system, fibre-optic lan port,

Then of course there's the cost on release and what will be available on release. Hedging on upgrades by existing users and a lousy number of release titles, the cost of additional uber-tablet controllers, backwards compatibility seems inevitable.

But all this for under the Wii U's release price?

PFFFFT!... unless radical cheap high-speed storage and controller technology arrives during the design stages - i.e. now.

Seriously, I would like to be amazed by the 'real-soon-now' Sonysoft consoles but feel they will either be disappointing half-arsed upgrades or hellishly expensive big-boys' toys...

I'm also still waiting for a link to specifics, not speculation...
(Not necessarily from Bankai because he's the only one who's demonstrated any intelligence in the debate, there's plenty of Wii U doom-bringers out there who've contributed nothing concrete beyond 'moar pixls'...)

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Thing is, you're making assumptions here yourself. Unless you're a senior game developer at one of the AAA studios, you can't possibly know the reality of what a console hardware upgrade could do for the development process. Unless you work for Sony or Microsoft you have about as much knowledge of pricing and specs of the next gen hardware as anyone else.

In that context, demanding specifics when you're unable to provide one is a weak position to be debating from.

The reality is that the PS3 and Xbox 360 allowed creative freedoms that the Wii couldn't beyond mere graphics. Red Dead Redemption was impossible on the Wii, and not only because it was pretty to look at. Samurai Warriors 3 was a far weaker Warriors game than any of the PS3 ones, despite essentially looking the same. We're talking numbers of AI routines running simultaneously, complex decisioning, high-end physics models. That is where the PS4 and Xbox 720 will almost certainly outperform the Wii U, even if the graphical update is likely to be minimal.

That, and attached services. Sony and Microsoft have a far more holistic perspective to gaming as entertainment, and I would expect the non-gaming entertainment services of both consoles to far outperform what the Wii U is capable of.

Heck, the PS3 and Xbox 360 already outperform the Wii U with non-gaming applications. These are important to modern consumers, so I expect they will be an advantage over Nintendo once they launch on new hardware.

Also, just to correct on fact in your post. The human eye is capable of registering noticing differences in frame rates well beyond 30fps - that's a common factual error that people make: http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

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Also, just to correct on fact in your post. The human eye is capable of registering noticing differences in frame rates well beyond 30fps - that's a common factual error that people make: http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

Our very own Waveboy is proof of this. :P

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Interesting seeing people talk about high performance storage, 4k, 100fps, 3D and significantly improved visuals as if they are the reasons you'd get a PS4/720. Fair enough I guess, all of those things are things to be exited about but you can do all of them on a half decent PC already. I've said this many times but if the rumoured extra power of the PS4/720 alone is so compelling people eagerly awaiting it's arrival... why aren't they PC gamers? They can have that now if they wanted why are they waiting?

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Interesting seeing people talk about high performance storage, 4k, 100fps, 3D and significantly improved visuals as if they are the reasons you'd get a PS4/720. Fair enough I guess, all of those things are things to be exited about but you can do all of them on a half decent PC already. I've said this many times but if the rumoured extra power of the PS4/720 alone is so compelling people eagerly awaiting it's arrival... why aren't they PC gamers? They can have that now if they wanted why are they waiting?

I do a ton of gaming on PC for pretty much anything not available on Nintendo's consoles, because, well, that's just usually how it boils down. Not much Nintendo first-party stuff on the PC unless you get into emulation. But as a part-time PC gamer, I can say it can get tiresome being hunched over a monitor at my desk for hours on end playing CoD, Civ, or Team Fortress. Sometimes it's just nice to have a console to kick back on the couch and hold a controller. And the Sony and Microsoft consoles are truly entertainment boxes- I've been rewatching Game of Thrones with my girlfriend on my 360 because it has the HBO GO app, as well as an app for Comcast On Demand. So if the 720 and PS4 hold true to that path, I can see why a lot of people will buy those consoles, even if PCs have already (and have for quite some time) surpassed them in raw processing power.

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Interesting seeing people talk about high performance storage, 4k, 100fps, 3D and significantly improved visuals as if they are the reasons you'd get a PS4/720. Fair enough I guess, all of those things are things to be exited about but you can do all of them on a half decent PC already. I've said this many times but if the rumoured extra power of the PS4/720 alone is so compelling people eagerly awaiting it's arrival... why aren't they PC gamers? They can have that now if they wanted why are they waiting?

I dunno. I'll buy a PS4 because it runs good games and I can't stand PC gaming. I'm also expecting some neat stuff with Vita connectivity, PSPlus and Gaikai.

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@Bankai again you assume that I assume and that's scary because you don't seem too disimilar to me in some ways. :)

Those were suppositions pulled out of my butt and aimed at the comments of the more mindless trolls, not specifically you personally.

"Superior" isn't always determined by how much more any one item can do more than another, and my position is "who really cares?"

I've taken a similar 'my thinking is better reasoned' stance in the past regarding the merits of PC vs console gaming and over time have through experience found that there is no right, wrong, worse, better.

It's all about the experience an individual seeks and maybe when the 'dismissives' have been gaming for as long as I have they might get it too, maybe sooner if they're lucky...

From an emotive position however, I'd rather be participating in a forum with people who actually own a Wii U and discuss the good, bad and the ugly of it, and that the whiners buggered off to IGN or somewhere similar so they may continue to indulge in their preferred lines of speculation.
Then everybody's happy - life's too short to inflict pathetic petty miseries on each other ;)

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Everyone I know buys Sonysoft systems for CoD and GTA....

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But as a part-time PC gamer, I can say it can get tiresome being hunched over a monitor at my desk for hours on end playing CoD, Civ, or Team Fortress. Sometimes it's just nice to have a console to kick back on the couch and hold a controller. And the Sony and Microsoft consoles are truly entertainment boxes- I've been rewatching Game of Thrones with my girlfriend on my 360 because it has the HBO GO app, as well as an app for Comcast On Demand. So if the 720 and PS4 hold true to that path, I can see why a lot of people will buy those consoles, even if PCs have already (and have for quite some time) surpassed them in raw processing power.

All reasonable points however still not that convincing. If gaming on the couch with a traditional controller is the reason then why don't these people so enchanted by the possibility of more power plug their PC into the TV? Doing a back of the envelope calculation for under $1000AU I could build a mITX PC with an i5 3570, AMD 7870, 120GB SSD, 8GB RAM and a copy of Windows 8. Could put a mass storage drive in there but that would either put it just over $1k or make it less of a "gaming" machine. Throw one of these together, find a 360 controller, plug it into your TV and game away. If it was bleeding edge in a TV friendly form they want (plus less noise because no ODD) you can get it pretty easily.

.... and if you're saying "gee, $1000AU is a high price" remember we're talking about something that'll easily be more powerful than the PS4/720 given the rumours. Not only that but you can get one right now if you really wanted. Plus it's worth remembering that the PS3 launched in Australia at $700AU for the 40GB and $1000AU for the 60GB. If these people wanting a PS4/720 really mean what they claim when they say power is all that matters then why don't they go out and do something like this?

although that said if I was going to do this I would probably end up spending a bit more. Or maybe get a slightly cheaper GPU and put it in a nicer case than the Coolermaster one I used to price this. Like a 7770 and a Fractal Node 304. Plus this could be even more a compelling option if this "Steam for TVs" thing ramps up.

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Lets just hope they make a 3D smart TV w/ 9.2 reciever built in for surround, all update friendly, plus a Bluray/DVD drive, that runs any video game console OS through smart TV capabilities bought through the TV app store, plus it syncs to bluetooth controllers(for PS3, or headsets), Xbox 360, and Nintendo controllers. It will cost $5000, will never break, has a lifetime warranty, and is virtually impossible to become obsolete hardware wise. Haha. Just kidding...

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@Skywake - Maybe they're hoping they'll sell at a loss, so it's cheaper on them. Also, I must've overpaid for my computer, since that's about how much my PC went for back in 2008. And it wasn't a gaming machine...

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Interesting seeing people talk about high performance storage, 4k, 100fps, 3D and significantly improved visuals as if they are the reasons you'd get a PS4/720. Fair enough I guess, all of those things are things to be exited about but you can do all of them on a half decent PC already. I've said this many times but if the rumoured extra power of the PS4/720 alone is so compelling people eagerly awaiting it's arrival... why aren't they PC gamers? They can have that now if they wanted why are they waiting?

I dunno. I'll buy a PS4 because it runs good games

Too soon to say for sure :)

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Interesting seeing people talk about high performance storage, 4k, 100fps, 3D and significantly improved visuals as if they are the reasons you'd get a PS4/720. Fair enough I guess, all of those things are things to be exited about but you can do all of them on a half decent PC already. I've said this many times but if the rumoured extra power of the PS4/720 alone is so compelling people eagerly awaiting it's arrival... why aren't they PC gamers? They can have that now if they wanted why are they waiting?

I dunno. I'll buy a PS4 because it runs good games

Too soon to say for sure :)

Want to bet at least one PS4 exclusive averages at least 90 on meta critic?

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and 2.8 million to go.

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Bankai wrote:

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Bankai wrote:

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Interesting seeing people talk about high performance storage, 4k, 100fps, 3D and significantly improved visuals as if they are the reasons you'd get a PS4/720. Fair enough I guess, all of those things are things to be exited about but you can do all of them on a half decent PC already. I've said this many times but if the rumoured extra power of the PS4/720 alone is so compelling people eagerly awaiting it's arrival... why aren't they PC gamers? They can have that now if they wanted why are they waiting?

I dunno. I'll buy a PS4 because it runs good games

Too soon to say for sure :)

Want to bet at least one PS4 exclusive averages at least 90 on meta critic?

some of the most meh games I've played this gen have had a high Metacritic, that doesn't prove anything. Especially from the guy who likes those certain games that get meh Metacritic scores.

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

Bankai wrote:

LZBirdboi wrote:

Bankai wrote:

skywake wrote:

Interesting seeing people talk about high performance storage, 4k, 100fps, 3D and significantly improved visuals as if they are the reasons you'd get a PS4/720. Fair enough I guess, all of those things are things to be exited about but you can do all of them on a half decent PC already. I've said this many times but if the rumoured extra power of the PS4/720 alone is so compelling people eagerly awaiting it's arrival... why aren't they PC gamers? They can have that now if they wanted why are they waiting?

I dunno. I'll buy a PS4 because it runs good games

Too soon to say for sure :)

Want to bet at least one PS4 exclusive averages at least 90 on meta critic?

some of the most meh games I've played this gen have had a high Metacritic, that doesn't prove anything. Especially from the guy who likes those certain games that get meh Metacritic scores.

Ok, so, want to be at least one PS4 exclusive gets a crappy metacritic, and either you, I, or someone else enjoys it?

Point is, it's utter nuts to pretend the PS4 won't have great games. Perhaps not enough to justify the purchase for you (or perhaps even me, but look at the Wii U - my requirement for good games to buy a console is ridiculously low), but, well, I assume people want to be taken more seriously than Gamesake, and so people should realise that no major console will lack for playable games.

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Bankai wrote:

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Bankai wrote:

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Bankai wrote:

skywake wrote:

Interesting seeing people talk about high performance storage, 4k, 100fps, 3D and significantly improved visuals as if they are the reasons you'd get a PS4/720. Fair enough I guess, all of those things are things to be exited about but you can do all of them on a half decent PC already. I've said this many times but if the rumoured extra power of the PS4/720 alone is so compelling people eagerly awaiting it's arrival... why aren't they PC gamers? They can have that now if they wanted why are they waiting?

I dunno. I'll buy a PS4 because it runs good games

Too soon to say for sure :)

Want to bet at least one PS4 exclusive averages at least 90 on meta critic?

some of the most meh games I've played this gen have had a high Metacritic, that doesn't prove anything. Especially from the guy who likes those certain games that get meh Metacritic scores.

Ok, so, want to be at least one PS4 exclusive gets a crappy metacritic, and either you, I, or someone else enjoys it?

Point is, it's utter nuts to pretend the PS4 won't have great games. Perhaps not enough to justify the purchase for you (or perhaps even me, but look at the Wii U - my requirement for good games to buy a console is ridiculously low), but, well, I assume people want to be taken more seriously than Gamesake, and so people should realise that no major console will lack for playable games.

well yeah, but anyone who says otherwise isn't worth even acknowledging their existence other than "lololol sure" or something. Also considering how hilarious the PS3 launch was for many people (especially thanks to the previous E3 at the time), making fun of the not yet released PS4 for it's unknown game library is stupid. They should at least say "guess I'll try to afford a 700 dollar console this time" or some other joke that at least deserves to exist. Or whatever is going on in this thread.

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Bankai wrote:

Point is, it's utter nuts to pretend the PS4 won't have great games. Perhaps not enough to justify the purchase for you (or perhaps even me, but look at the Wii U - my requirement for good games to buy a console is ridiculously low), but, well, I assume people want to be taken more seriously than Gamesake, and so people should realise that no major console will lack for playable games.

I dunno. The Vita's been pretty lacking and the PS3 took a while to take off (at least in the West)

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Bankai wrote:

Point is, it's utter nuts to pretend the PS4 won't have great games. Perhaps not enough to justify the purchase for you (or perhaps even me, but look at the Wii U - my requirement for good games to buy a console is ridiculously low), but, well, I assume people want to be taken more seriously than Gamesake, and so people should realise that no major console will lack for playable games.

I dunno. The Vita's been pretty lacking and the PS3 took a while to take off (at least in the West)

Vita's honestly had the best first year for a system since like the GCN as far as I can tell and it's failures is Sony's apparent lack of understanding what sells handheld systems more than anything related to quality.

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