@johnvboy honestly after you saying mhrise devs dont know how to optimise i cant really take anything you say seriously, nintendo themselves couldnt get their launch title that spent 10 years in development to run smoothly on the thing, how is a new game supposed to run if its already struggling not to crash the switch at 30 fps and 720p? rise with settings on ultra high runs at 120 on ps5, fanboy
@johnvboy its cutting edge because its the newest nintendo console, thats not a matter of perspective. it has the price of a cutting edge console thats for damn sure
and when I say customers wishes I mean everyone, how well has the oled been selling? and how many more would it sell if it had better hardware, ran games better and smoother, i for one know about 10 people including myself that would pre order that the second they reveal it
@johnvboy i honestly dont even know what point you are trying to make, i have a ps5 but im still angry when my £300 cutting edge gaming console doesnt run games as well as my xbox 360, which is 20 year old tech if not older. and the switch has exclusive so when they're on terrible hardware they are stuck there.
and if nintendo continues to go directly against customers best wishes, well, its been a good run.
preformance effects a lot more than aesthetics, it effects input delay , input timing is video gaming in a nutshell, if your inputs arent put in when you in put them, its literally failing at being a video game, and is just laggy software. my point is even if plebs think their sub 20fps gameplay is fine, there will me an infinitely large pile of mistakes and errors that pile up that frustrate the player, if they don't recognise their inputs not being read they may just blame themselves or think its something about the game, coming from someone that has played tens of hundreds of hours of games like skyrim and fallout at sub 30 fps then playing the same game at 60fps, you cant not notice failed inputs and screen tearing
@johnvboy exactly, it was pushed to the breaking point in botw, the launch title. over 6 years out of date, whether fanboys like it or not the switch is competing with the ps5, xbox x and pc, and every game ive played apart from oddessy, mario kart or botw runs at sub 30 fps dipping below 720p. how is that developers fault when even a ps4 could display 1080p 30fps? that is 10 year old tech, the industry is there, nintendo is so far behind .
how can devs improve preformance when it's already at 720p 30fps? they have nothing to compromise , on ps5 you can say 4k or 120fps, that seems fair to me, nitendo cant offer 1080p or even a stable 30fps
im obsessed with video games and i literally only heard about this game about a week ago and the main character looks like a 10 year old made them , fire emblem is long dead
@Yosher lolll karma is as real as heaven and hell but go off. bears are epic and survival of the fittest so idwhat point ur trying to make other than people can choose to be lame or badass like a bear
i wouldnt be suprised if they changed it very soon, i miss overwatch 1s skin system, every skin could be bought with in game currency that you got from loot boxes, I could of probably bought every legendary skin in the game but now they're all locked and a bunch can only be bought with real money.....sucks
nintendo died with iwata, we're left with this microtransaction filled lazy greedy '''''games'''''' so suits like this can go home with millions , ***** this im going back to new vegas
i honestly dont believe them, developers say all the time stuff like ' we began working on skyrim as soon as we shipped fallout 3 ' etc, i have no doubt in my mind that 99% of staff were not working on pokemon games after the release of the last, maybe one artist was doodling cocept art on toilet paper but thers no way in hell these games get any more than a years development time
between the 2 released dlc track packs there are maybe 2 courses worth caring about, they dont use zero gravity or look on par with the stages that released 8 years ago! shameful
@Mauzuri when you only trust yourself you are way more vulnerable that someone that trusts, someone that wants to manipulate you would just need to present information in such a way that you think you have come to the conculsion yourself. id take trust, discussion and critical thinking any day
@Yosher 'criminal activities' what like being gay? what are or arent 'criminal activities' is decided based not on morals but on who is in power. if people don't look in to something and then get ***** out of money, survival of the fittest , if these tricks didnt work people wouldnt use them, and if there is a trick someone can do to make money, if they need food/shelter ur gna have a hard time convcing them to not use a method that works , you could just as easily say someone that parts with their money without knowing what its for deserves to get scammed, its the real world and a slap on the back of the wrist isnt going to stop scamming as a whole
I love them all but heist has the most potential imo, you can do a lot more with a turn based tactical shooter than a 2d mining game or a card based rpg, honestly I feel I've seen everything cool that can be done with those restrictions in dig 1/2 and quest. there is so much variety in weapons, player skills/abilities, combat arenas. it also feels right to me that heist would be next since its the latest one chronologically in canon.
@Ralizah worlds frame rate was fine for me , i played on pro with frame rate mode on mind you. in a game where you need to react to things around you, 30 just feels sludgey. and 4u came out in 2013, the same year as bioshock infinite , which ran at 30 on 360 and ps3. and oh yeah, 4u was on a hand held, and again i played it on a new 3ds , i had no frame rate issues. but also, that was 8 years ago, my standards are considerably higher for a new 'exclusive' monster hunter game in 2021 especially after world knocked it out of the park in terms of selling the maps as actual ecosystems, the rise demo honestly made me sad just seeing the old style of maps, nothing happening, a big dead world. no wonder the main selling point is the dog that lets you cut out the traversal, still after all my time in world i still enjoy walking around the maps they feel so vibrant
@The__Goomba i could cope with 30 fps in the 360/ps3 era but at this point no game i play runs at slower than 60 fps, any game that requires reaction just feels horrible at 30, so much so that i bet rise running at 60 will be a bit selling point of the switch pro.
from someone who has played hundreds of hours of 3, 4u, Gu and about 800 hours on world, i will not be buying or playing rise, the frame rate in the demo was just unplayale for me. there is an interesting game under the muddy resolution and appauling frame rate, but I wo't be paying for the privelage. really smart of them to announce the pc port before the switch version is out, the only reason i can image for that is how badly it ran was too great of an issue so they had to re assure people that one day, it might not be so unplayable
@Strictlystyles its not an rpg, id reccomend watcing the e3 gameplay they showed before launch, and if you dont think that level gives the impression that choices matter, then fine but we were told it was gameplay and not pre redered, it was all pre rendered. straight up false advertising
@Silly_G and the 3ds never did as well as the dsi, but even then the difference between a ds game and a 3ds game is like the difference between a snes and a gamecube, a switch pro would be more like a ps4 pro id imagine, heck even ps5 plays all ps4 games way better than on ps4 pro
I think it's smarter to appeal to both, like looney toons or old nintendo games. Rather than modern pokemon games with the handholding and never challenging the player. kids like to be challenged too, and 99% of the time I see complaints about games being too kid focused it's because the dumbing down has effected a core mechanic of a game, when really it could of just been a hidden option for those that struggle, rather than, oh idk, forcing an exp share to be on all the time
@ozwally i meant dont buy the switch version if you already have the ps4 version, i have a pro as well and the game is hardly action packed but there were multiple points i had heavy, heavy stutters. teh first world is fine but once you're on monarch the game really slows down, id say monarch is where it seems to start getting interesting but its one of the more open and empty areas in the game tbh, i found the really small map size kept intterupting my curiousity and the gun play/feel was really really weak, and the companions have no real care about you actions, compared to new vegas where boone open fires on embers of ceasars legion. I think the outer worlds had a lot of potential but speaking as someone who has all the trophies, they bit off more than they could (or could be bothered to) chew, every planet ends with you choosing between 2 faction leaders and there are only 2 and a hald planets if you could a space station as half. scylla doesnt even count as a quarter imo. and then theres the actual gameplay mecahnics, the special system doesnt work, the game can be beaten on supernova using only the leader skill without firing a shot and theres about 5 different guns in the whole game, that cant be trule modded. ultra light fallout ish game that doesnt even take about 30 hours to 100%, honestly i find it hard to believe these are the same people that made new vegas in a year.
they probably saw how many copies sold on ps4/xbox and sold hardly any physical copies and mostly did digital, then theres how much they lost from the trade in market. obsidian may have been bought by microsoft but they're not just going to throw money down the drain with physical releases with a game that kind of flopped and has most likley been played on other platforms by any one who actually cares about this game. he skyrim on switch effect of 'you've played it better somewhere else or youve never heard of it'
the frame rate problems are a big issue, I hope it's the kind of thing that can be fixed with a patch. moving from one screen to the other also causes significant slow down , I'd say way worse than 30fps, probably nearer 20 maybe lower but just for a second or two. what I find so jarring about it is that it's going from 60 to these lows so its really noticable and you really feel it, a 30 fps game dropping to 20 doesnt interrupt gameplay/immersion nearly as bad imo. great game apart from that, even with all the pros and cons I wouldn't really put it any higher than like a 6 or 7 out of 10
@carlos82 yeah im not even playing on a 4k tv so that 'upgrade' does just make the game run worse. i only got the pro for the high frame rate setting in monster hunter.
@citizenerased is the skyrim port ok? gameplay I have seen looks stuttery and tbh the special edition on my ps4 pro is stuttery so i have no idea how it even runs on switch unless it's just got a smaller draw distance or something
played it on ps4 before fallout 4 came out and can honestly say ive never been so dissapointed in a game, just boring and clunky, it was a bad port back then
@Reignmaker ahh interesting, i've played across 3 iphones (flawless performance) and about 4 androids, all stuttering and not keeping a consistent frame rate, like when a card is drawn, or a twisting nether goes off, the phone blows up, the kazakus screen effect is a killer too
is there a tablet besides whatever the latest iphone that can run hearthstone at more than 10fps? i dont think so. a switch version would be amazing, maybe where the solo missions and the collection are available in offline play. I would even go as far to say i might pay like £5 for a switch port tbh
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Re: Switch's Game Boy Library Doesn't Have A Set Schedule, According To Nintendo
@Bass_X0 they should be black, who the hell said anything about stretching anything
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Switch OLED Rumour Resurfaces Online
@johnvboy honestly after you saying mhrise devs dont know how to optimise i cant really take anything you say seriously, nintendo themselves couldnt get their launch title that spent 10 years in development to run smoothly on the thing, how is a new game supposed to run if its already struggling not to crash the switch at 30 fps and 720p? rise with settings on ultra high runs at 120 on ps5, fanboy
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Switch OLED Rumour Resurfaces Online
@johnvboy its cutting edge because its the newest nintendo console, thats not a matter of perspective. it has the price of a cutting edge console thats for damn sure
and when I say customers wishes I mean everyone, how well has the oled been selling? and how many more would it sell if it had better hardware, ran games better and smoother, i for one know about 10 people including myself that would pre order that the second they reveal it
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Switch OLED Rumour Resurfaces Online
@johnvboy i honestly dont even know what point you are trying to make, i have a ps5 but im still angry when my £300 cutting edge gaming console doesnt run games as well as my xbox 360, which is 20 year old tech if not older. and the switch has exclusive so when they're on terrible hardware they are stuck there.
and if nintendo continues to go directly against customers best wishes, well, its been a good run.
preformance effects a lot more than aesthetics, it effects input delay , input timing is video gaming in a nutshell, if your inputs arent put in when you in put them, its literally failing at being a video game, and is just laggy software.
my point is even if plebs think their sub 20fps gameplay is fine, there will me an infinitely large pile of mistakes and errors that pile up that frustrate the player, if they don't recognise their inputs not being read they may just blame themselves or think its something about the game, coming from someone that has played tens of hundreds of hours of games like skyrim and fallout at sub 30 fps then playing the same game at 60fps, you cant not notice failed inputs and screen tearing
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Switch OLED Rumour Resurfaces Online
@johnvboy exactly, it was pushed to the breaking point in botw, the launch title. over 6 years out of date, whether fanboys like it or not the switch is competing with the ps5, xbox x and pc, and every game ive played apart from oddessy, mario kart or botw runs at sub 30 fps dipping below 720p. how is that developers fault when even a ps4 could display 1080p 30fps? that is 10 year old tech, the industry is there, nintendo is so far behind .
how can devs improve preformance when it's already at 720p 30fps? they have nothing to compromise , on ps5 you can say 4k or 120fps, that seems fair to me, nitendo cant offer 1080p or even a stable 30fps
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Switch OLED Rumour Resurfaces Online
@johnvboy 🤣🤣🤣 yeah it ran pokemon scarlett and mhrise so well.........................
Re: Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Switch OLED Rumour Resurfaces Online
if the switch pro was out then yeah sure. but who is buying a new switch that still cant run botw at a stable 30????
Re: Switch's Game Boy Library Doesn't Have A Set Schedule, According To Nintendo
scam artists, emulaton doesnt give me big ugly borders or ask for a subscription, my bloody gameboy never asked for a subscription
Re: Soapbox: Fire Emblem Engage's Nintendo NYC Launch Felt Pretty Unengaging
im obsessed with video games and i literally only heard about this game about a week ago and the main character looks like a 10 year old made them , fire emblem is long dead
Re: Yooka-Laylee Developer Playtonic Warns Of 'Lil Gator Game' Scam
@Yosher lolll karma is as real as heaven and hell but go off. bears are epic and survival of the fittest so idwhat point ur trying to make other than people can choose to be lame or badass like a bear
Re: Overwatch 2 Player Calculates '5 Year' F2P Grind To Unlock New Hero's Cosmetics
i wouldnt be suprised if they changed it very soon, i miss overwatch 1s skin system, every skin could be bought with in game currency that you got from loot boxes, I could of probably bought every legendary skin in the game but now they're all locked and a bunch can only be bought with real money.....sucks
Re: Random: After Three Years Of Anonymity, Minecraft YouTuber Reveals His Face
and thats the POINT of the mask is
Re: Fired Nintendo Worker Comes Forward With An Account Of Their Dismissal
nintendo died with iwata, we're left with this microtransaction filled lazy greedy '''''games'''''' so suits like this can go home with millions , ***** this im going back to new vegas
Re: Game Freak Confirms Pokémon Legends: Arceus Started Development Before Sword & Shield's Launch
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Re: Game Freak Confirms Pokémon Legends: Arceus Started Development Before Sword & Shield's Launch
i honestly dont believe them, developers say all the time stuff like ' we began working on skyrim as soon as we shipped fallout 3 ' etc, i have no doubt in my mind that 99% of staff were not working on pokemon games after the release of the last, maybe one artist was doodling cocept art on toilet paper but thers no way in hell these games get any more than a years development time
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Weighs In On Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Booster Course Pass Texture Complaints
between the 2 released dlc track packs there are maybe 2 courses worth caring about, they dont use zero gravity or look on par with the stages that released 8 years ago! shameful
Re: Yooka-Laylee Developer Playtonic Warns Of 'Lil Gator Game' Scam
@Mauzuri when you only trust yourself you are way more vulnerable that someone that trusts, someone that wants to manipulate you would just need to present information in such a way that you think you have come to the conculsion yourself. id take trust, discussion and critical thinking any day
Re: Yooka-Laylee Developer Playtonic Warns Of 'Lil Gator Game' Scam
@Yosher 'criminal activities' what like being gay? what are or arent 'criminal activities' is decided based not on morals but on who is in power.
if people don't look in to something and then get ***** out of money, survival of the fittest , if these tricks didnt work people wouldnt use them, and if there is a trick someone can do to make money, if they need food/shelter ur gna have a hard time convcing them to not use a method that works , you could just as easily say someone that parts with their money without knowing what its for deserves to get scammed, its the real world and a slap on the back of the wrist isnt going to stop scamming as a whole
Re: Yooka-Laylee Developer Playtonic Warns Of 'Lil Gator Game' Scam
@Yosher money, you can use it to buy food /clothing/ a roof over your head etc. most people want money
Re: Capcom Officially Reveals Two New Monster Hunter Rise: Sunbreak Characters
is the frame rate of this game still like 22fps at 122p? cant imagine adding more complex monsters would help it run better.
Re: Feature: 6 Things We Pokémon Vets Want To See In Pokémon Scarlet And Violet
they wont have time to add any of this with the development time they chose to dedicate to the game
Re: Soapbox: Can We Please Retire The Phrase ‘Lazy Devs’ Already?
under funded and under respected devs by higher ups. same as cyberpunk, bethesda games, swsh
Re: Soapbox: The Switch Online Expansion Pack Is Great Value – If You Love Animal Crossing
they defos jacked up the price of the dlc to make the expansion pass more seem more justifiable, classic manipulation tactics
Re: Every Nintendo Switch Online Sega Genesis / Mega Drive Game Ranked
@ChakraStomps i wouldnt pay a penny a day
Re: Every Nintendo Switch Online Sega Genesis / Mega Drive Game Ranked
wow , its so much worse than i imagined. totally worth £50 a year or whatever lolll
Re: What SteamWorld Game Deserves A Sequel? Image & Form Would Like To Know
I love them all but heist has the most potential imo, you can do a lot more with a turn based tactical shooter than a 2d mining game or a card based rpg, honestly I feel I've seen everything cool that can be done with those restrictions in dig 1/2 and quest. there is so much variety in weapons, player skills/abilities, combat arenas. it also feels right to me that heist would be next since its the latest one chronologically in canon.
Re: Poll: Monster Hunter Rise Is Out Today On Switch, Are You Getting It?
@Ralizah worlds frame rate was fine for me , i played on pro with frame rate mode on mind you. in a game where you need to react to things around you, 30 just feels sludgey. and 4u came out in 2013, the same year as bioshock infinite , which ran at 30 on 360 and ps3. and oh yeah, 4u was on a hand held, and again i played it on a new 3ds , i had no frame rate issues. but also, that was 8 years ago, my standards are considerably higher for a new 'exclusive' monster hunter game in 2021 especially after world knocked it out of the park in terms of selling the maps as actual ecosystems, the rise demo honestly made me sad just seeing the old style of maps, nothing happening, a big dead world. no wonder the main selling point is the dog that lets you cut out the traversal, still after all my time in world i still enjoy walking around the maps they feel so vibrant
Re: Poll: Monster Hunter Rise Is Out Today On Switch, Are You Getting It?
@The__Goomba i could cope with 30 fps in the 360/ps3 era but at this point no game i play runs at slower than 60 fps, any game that requires reaction just feels horrible at 30, so much so that i bet rise running at 60 will be a bit selling point of the switch pro.
Re: Poll: Monster Hunter Rise Is Out Today On Switch, Are You Getting It?
from someone who has played hundreds of hours of 3, 4u, Gu and about 800 hours on world, i will not be buying or playing rise, the frame rate in the demo was just unplayale for me. there is an interesting game under the muddy resolution and appauling frame rate, but I wo't be paying for the privelage. really smart of them to announce the pc port before the switch version is out, the only reason i can image for that is how badly it ran was too great of an issue so they had to re assure people that one day, it might not be so unplayable
Re: Monster Hunter Rise Officially No Longer A Switch Exclusive, Coming To PC In 2022
best news from rise yet
Re: Ori Director Criticises "Snake Oil Salesmen" Behind No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, And Fable
@Strictlystyles its not an rpg, id reccomend watcing the e3 gameplay they showed before launch, and if you dont think that level gives the impression that choices matter, then fine but we were told it was gameplay and not pre redered, it was all pre rendered. straight up false advertising
Re: Nintendo Won't Be Announcing A New Switch Model "Any Time Soon"
@Silly_G and the 3ds never did as well as the dsi, but even then the difference between a ds game and a 3ds game is like the difference between a snes and a gamecube, a switch pro would be more like a ps4 pro id imagine, heck even ps5 plays all ps4 games way better than on ps4 pro
Re: Nintendo Won't Be Announcing A New Switch Model "Any Time Soon"
well then looks like i'll be i wont be playing or buying monster hunter rise "Any Time Soon", cuz it runs like garbage on the current model.
Re: Top Hat Studios Issues Statement Regarding Demands To Censor Sense - A Cyberpunk Ghost Story
true punk , take note cdpr, rather than heavily censoring your game in regions without equal rights
Re: Monster Hunter Movie Director And Star Apologise To Chinese Viewers For "Racist" Joke
-'calls someone a slur'
-'i cant believe this somehow could of been interpreted as offencive i am so sorry '
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Focus On Younger Players Is A Positive, Not A Negative
I think it's smarter to appeal to both, like looney toons or old nintendo games. Rather than modern pokemon games with the handholding and never challenging the player. kids like to be challenged too, and 99% of the time I see complaints about games being too kid focused it's because the dumbing down has effected a core mechanic of a game, when really it could of just been a hidden option for those that struggle, rather than, oh idk, forcing an exp share to be on all the time
Re: Pokémon HOME Update Finally Gets Rid Of 'Impossible' Trade Requests
this has been such a glaring issue for so long, the gts has been almost unusable since ts inception
Re: Gallery: Here's Your First Look At The Outer Worlds On Switch
@ozwally i meant dont buy the switch version if you already have the ps4 version, i have a pro as well and the game is hardly action packed but there were multiple points i had heavy, heavy stutters. teh first world is fine but once you're on monarch the game really slows down, id say monarch is where it seems to start getting interesting but its one of the more open and empty areas in the game tbh, i found the really small map size kept intterupting my curiousity and the gun play/feel was really really weak, and the companions have no real care about you actions, compared to new vegas where boone open fires on embers of ceasars legion. I think the outer worlds had a lot of potential but speaking as someone who has all the trophies, they bit off more than they could (or could be bothered to) chew, every planet ends with you choosing between 2 faction leaders and there are only 2 and a hald planets if you could a space station as half. scylla doesnt even count as a quarter imo. and then theres the actual gameplay mecahnics, the special system doesnt work, the game can be beaten on supernova using only the leader skill without firing a shot and theres about 5 different guns in the whole game, that cant be trule modded. ultra light fallout ish game that doesnt even take about 30 hours to 100%, honestly i find it hard to believe these are the same people that made new vegas in a year.
Re: Gallery: Here's Your First Look At The Outer Worlds On Switch
@KBuckley27 mate it runs like poopoo on the ps4, its going to run like ultra super doodoo on the switch, save your time and money
Re: Gallery: Here's Your First Look At The Outer Worlds On Switch
they probably saw how many copies sold on ps4/xbox and sold hardly any physical copies and mostly did digital, then theres how much they lost from the trade in market. obsidian may have been bought by microsoft but they're not just going to throw money down the drain with physical releases with a game that kind of flopped and has most likley been played on other platforms by any one who actually cares about this game. he skyrim on switch effect of 'you've played it better somewhere else or youve never heard of it'
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (September 21st)
@Northwind haha oops nah not intentional. i did used to call my link ‘kink’ in alttp. i go with pink now
Re: Talking Point: What Are You Playing This Weekend? (September 21st)
skyim and risk of rain until i die. im saving kinks awekiening since it is a kind of short game and the frame rate is quite often appauling
Re: Video: Digital Foundry Explores Zelda: Link's Awakening's Technical Wins And Losses
the frame rate problems are a big issue, I hope it's the kind of thing that can be fixed with a patch. moving from one screen to the other also causes significant slow down , I'd say way worse than 30fps, probably nearer 20 maybe lower but just for a second or two. what I find so jarring about it is that it's going from 60 to these lows so its really noticable and you really feel it, a 30 fps game dropping to 20 doesnt interrupt gameplay/immersion nearly as bad imo. great game apart from that, even with all the pros and cons I wouldn't really put it any higher than like a 6 or 7 out of 10
Re: Bethesda's Pete Hines Says "It's Clear" The Studio Is Bringing New Players To Switch
@carlos82 yeah im not even playing on a 4k tv so that 'upgrade' does just make the game run worse. i only got the pro for the high frame rate setting in monster hunter.
Re: Bethesda's Pete Hines Says "It's Clear" The Studio Is Bringing New Players To Switch
@citizenerased is the skyrim port ok? gameplay I have seen looks stuttery and tbh the special edition on my ps4 pro is stuttery so i have no idea how it even runs on switch unless it's just got a smaller draw distance or something
Re: Video: Smash Ultimate Is Rife With Tiny Details And Easter Eggs
particularly good and funny video, i liked it
Re: Wasteland 2: Director's Cut - A Less-Than-Perfect Port Of A Turn-Based Tactical Classic
played it on ps4 before fallout 4 came out and can honestly say ive never been so dissapointed in a game, just boring and clunky, it was a bad port back then
Re: Don't Rule Out Hearthstone On Switch, Says Blizzard Senior Designer
@Reignmaker ahh interesting, i've played across 3 iphones (flawless performance) and about 4 androids, all stuttering and not keeping a consistent frame rate, like when a card is drawn, or a twisting nether goes off, the phone blows up, the kazakus screen effect is a killer too
Re: Don't Rule Out Hearthstone On Switch, Says Blizzard Senior Designer
is there a tablet besides whatever the latest iphone that can run hearthstone at more than 10fps? i dont think so. a switch version would be amazing, maybe where the solo missions and the collection are available in offline play. I would even go as far to say i might pay like £5 for a switch port tbh
Re: Talking Point: An Era Ends As Nintendo Continues to Ignore 3D on the 3DS
kinda like how the older wii games used less motion controls. (yay)