I rather it be on the Switch, running at 1080p. 2D. I remember playing Sonic Advance for the Game Boy Advance, and kind of feeling sad that a Sonic Game is now relegated to a handheld because it's in 2D. Now if this Metroid Game is a masterpiece, it's going to be a masterpiece stuck at 240p. So many games stuck in that boat.
154 million. I remember when Sony said that they feel sorry for Nintendo, after announced the PSP. And the DS turned out to be the best selling video game system of all time.
@Spoony_Tech
You have to look at it from the proper point of view, if you're Nintendo. If you're from a made up country and developed a game where bending over and spreading your butt cheeks is somehow socially acceptable, and you added that gesture to your game clueless on how the public in the United States might react to it, it would be understandable to remove that gesture from the game. What one person from that country thinks because they find it acceptable is irreverent.
@impurekind I re read the paragraph, since I didn't remember reading that it took 18 months to sign anything. From what I got from the paragraph is that it took 18 months to complete the game, from start to finish. And the word sign off being used, not in a literal term where they have to write a written note and have people sign it, but more in a respect to Aonuma-san, due to his position and the game being his.
It's as if Kobe Bryant randomly decided that he's going to drop by the Lakers practice even though he doesn't play for the team any longer. Of course the people who work there are going to let him through, he "signs off everything."
"Proof that these carts are more robust than we give them credit for."
Cartridges are always given credit for being robust. It's one of the major pros that are thrown around when compared to discs.
This had less to do with the robustness of a media, and more to do with external physical damage.
If I take a disc, and smash it with a hammer, it won't make the media any less, or more robust than its current reality. It would just destroy the smashed disc.
@Hotfusion I'm just a unique person, mentally, and loading time just kills me. I was playing Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, it's one of the best games I've ever played. And the other day I was thinking, if it wasn't for the loading time I would play another level rather than turning it off.
I much rather have a few masterpiece on the Nintendo 64, 20 years later, than for those masterpieces to be ruined by PS1 level loading time.
I rather the SNES had been cartridge base with no loading time, than to have the same games with extra content, with loading time, or lame cut scene.
The SNES that I feel are masterpiece would have been ruined. That's my logic.
@Dakt Personally I really, really care about loading time. I even sold my original PS1 back in 96 because the loading time was killing me. I rather had games being made around cartridges, even if it meant it had less data, and there were less games.
This is lacking too much information. You have one side saying one thing, and it makes it sound as if they asked Nintendo for permission to develop the game and Nintendo said NO. It obviously can't be that simplistic.
I recently played the New 3DS really for the first real time. I had it with me for a couple of day. It was ok, but I really couldn't stand the XL screen. My regular DS Lite looks so much sharper and I love it.
So my question here is, I haven't played the regular New 3DS, but does anyone here feel that having the smaller screen is a better option?
Dead man tell no tales. Like a drama queen Yokoi angrily said whatever, you do what you want, I'm going to run away and cry because you yelled at me, and collect a pay check.
That's how it comes off to me. Not very believable.
@electrolite77 I think the point was that they are more open minded to Nintendo type of games. For example. Yoshi's Island has a lot of gameplay. The game is a masterpiece. If you don't agree, just go along. But many people here would not play it because they are "Hardcore," bad ass. Yet if you take the same game and replace the sprite with darker character, music. Replace the eggs with bombs, Yoshi with a Terminator type robot, etc. Then suddenly the game is good. So in that sense I could see how someone might think that the Japanese gamers are more mature. That's a rough example.
@Zephryl I meant 40mb per second, which is why in the next sentence I wrote that the cartridge memory used back then for the N64 was obviously faster than the 3ds. With the point being that since they're probably going to use memory similar to the type used in the 3DS, since it's cheaper, I can't say if it's going to be fast enough to prevent loading time. As far as the 286MB/S perhaps I got it from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64_technical_specifications#Components. And I believe the ram was 500MB/S.
I'm more excited about the controller. Hoping it looks and feel like the original, simply because they haven't been made in decades. Give it a little life again.
I don't play much console games. Bought a Wii U with literally one game. Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze. With life I just don't get to play much. But amazing game. I love the Wii U. I mainly played on the pad, while having the Wii U in another room. I was fascinated by the fact that I was playing such graphically advanced handheld in sense, that didn't even get hot.
Nintendo always seemed to release things that I want. Months before the Wii came out, I wanted a new way to use a mouse. Months before the Wii U came out, I wanted a dumb tablet that controlled my powerful PC.
When I first heard the rumors that the NX was going to be cartridge based, I thought. "Cool, they can save money by not having a disc drive, and less ram."
@Discostew Very interesting. So glad Switch is using game cards, systems are getting more powerful, while disc technology stays the same, forcing consoles to have to play games of the hard drive at such slow speeds.
@MadAdam81 In defense of Windows, it uses available ram to makes things run snappier. Which is much better than just having the extra ram sitting there eating up electricity.
@Discostew Do you know the specs for a stock PS4 hard drive? It would be great to know, since games are most likely made with that bottleneck in mind. If the switch has a 400MB/S SSD as a stock HD, then it will be a huge benefit. Especially in random access time.
@samuelvictor But really what day to day benefits would 8gb of ram bring the Switch. It's not a high end PC, so there would be bottlenecks that could prevent it from using that much. The same thing for the XBox One and PS4, which is probably why they spend that extra ram on the OS.
I was reading about the 750 ti, and the recommendation was to not get the 4GB version, to save up the $30 and get the 2GB non ti. Because the ti is just not powerful enough for that extra ram to be useful.
What I hate about this is that so many here read 4gb, and have no idea what that means.
@Pink_Floyd Why would it require more ram in a couple of years? The Switch is not going to just get a faster GPU/CPU. The PS4 upgrade is going to get extra ram, but that's basically to play the games in 4k, while developers still have to keep playable at the lower resolution of the original PS4. 4GB seems plenty enough, especially for a non disc based system. What makes you think they're going to pull a 1.5 system, as if that's a norm, or ever been done before the Xbox One and PS4.
@rjejr I don't understand the logic of if it's easier to do it with a cart and 4gb of ram, companies that actually make video games are not going to view it that way and so will skip the Switch, because they're going to blind sided by the ram and not realize the benefits of the cart. I would understand the average Joe not understanding it, but a video game company?
It's like you have a Sega Genesis and a Sega CD. And a company that's only done games for the Sega CD is not going to used the advantages of a Sega Genesis cart because they only one to do it the way it's done on a Sega CD. And even if they did it the way programmed on a Sega CD it won't have the loading time of a Sega CD nor the loading from needing to constantly delete and feed data to the ram.
Going of on memory, the Nintendo 64 cartridge ran at around 286mb per second, the Nintendo 3DS is about 40mb per second. Obviously the type of memory back then was faster, so I don't know what the speed of the Switch/NX game card will be. Either way, it's going to be way faster than a PS4 Blu Ray, with no access time. I don't know if the Switch/NX CPU is going to have direct access to the memory in the cartridge, something that's definitely not possible in a disc based system. But before disc based system became the norm, 99.5% of gamers had no idea what ram was, because cartridge based system had virtually no loading time.
Lets also talk about bit rot. SNES and NES games could potentially last longer than 3DS and Switch games, depending on if they use more modern memory. I'm speculating.
@6ch6ris6 You have to consider that it's also a cartridge system. Not sure what kind of memory the cartridge is going to use, but the faster the less need for ram. I was reading about the development of an Indiana Jones game for the Nintendo 64, and the developer talked about the fact that if the Nintendo 64 was a disc based system, it would have needed more ram to load the complete level in order to run the game. With the cartridge, that extra ram and loading time was not necessary, since the cartridge in a sense acted as extra ram.
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Re: MercurySteam Elaborates On How It Came To Work On Metroid: Samus Returns
I rather it be on the Switch, running at 1080p. 2D. I remember playing Sonic Advance for the Game Boy Advance, and kind of feeling sad that a Sonic Game is now relegated to a handheld because it's in 2D. Now if this Metroid Game is a masterpiece, it's going to be a masterpiece stuck at 240p. So many games stuck in that boat.
Re: Retrospective: The Awkward Birth of the DS, Nintendo's Most Successful System
154 million. I remember when Sony said that they feel sorry for Nintendo, after announced the PSP. And the DS turned out to be the best selling video game system of all time.
Re: Random: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Patch Removes Offensive "Bras d'honneur" Gesture
@Spoony_Tech
You have to look at it from the proper point of view, if you're Nintendo. If you're from a made up country and developed a game where bending over and spreading your butt cheeks is somehow socially acceptable, and you added that gesture to your game clueless on how the public in the United States might react to it, it would be understandable to remove that gesture from the game. What one person from that country thinks because they find it acceptable is irreverent.
Re: Video: Take a Look At Knuckles Gliding Through Flying Battery Zone in Sonic Mania
Why is the game 480p?
Re: Tantalus Spent "Several Months" Convincing Nintendo It Could Handle Zelda: Twilight Princess HD
@impurekind I re read the paragraph, since I didn't remember reading that it took 18 months to sign anything. From what I got from the paragraph is that it took 18 months to complete the game, from start to finish. And the word sign off being used, not in a literal term where they have to write a written note and have people sign it, but more in a respect to Aonuma-san, due to his position and the game being his.
It's as if Kobe Bryant randomly decided that he's going to drop by the Lakers practice even though he doesn't play for the team any longer. Of course the people who work there are going to let him through, he "signs off everything."
Re: Tantalus Spent "Several Months" Convincing Nintendo It Could Handle Zelda: Twilight Princess HD
@G-Boy Didn't they let Rare do Donkey Kong Country in the 90s?
Re: Random: Some People Will Go To Great Lengths To Bring Pokémon Games Back From The Dead
"Proof that these carts are more robust than we give them credit for."
Cartridges are always given credit for being robust. It's one of the major pros that are thrown around when compared to discs.
This had less to do with the robustness of a media, and more to do with external physical damage.
If I take a disc, and smash it with a hammer, it won't make the media any less, or more robust than its current reality. It would just destroy the smashed disc.
Re: Gallery: Here's How Nintendo Switch Game Cards Compare To Practically Everything Else
@Hotfusion I'm just a unique person, mentally, and loading time just kills me. I was playing Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, it's one of the best games I've ever played. And the other day I was thinking, if it wasn't for the loading time I would play another level rather than turning it off.
I much rather have a few masterpiece on the Nintendo 64, 20 years later, than for those masterpieces to be ruined by PS1 level loading time.
I rather the SNES had been cartridge base with no loading time, than to have the same games with extra content, with loading time, or lame cut scene.
The SNES that I feel are masterpiece would have been ruined. That's my logic.
Re: Gallery: Here's How Nintendo Switch Game Cards Compare To Practically Everything Else
@Hotfusion Were you preferring discs?
Re: Retro: This Is Why We Should Probably Be Glad Nintendo Stuck With Carts For The N64
@Dakt Personally I really, really care about loading time. I even sold my original PS1 back in 96 because the loading time was killing me. I rather had games being made around cartridges, even if it meant it had less data, and there were less games.
Re: DFC Intelligence Believes Nintendo Switch Can Shift 40 Million Units by 2020
@mjharper Question. Assuming that there will be no price cut. Why wait for something you're going to get. Might as well get it now.
Re: Editorial: Pricing Blunders Have Distorted The Narrative Around Nintendo Switch
The Switch will have the 3rd cheapest console launch of all time, when adjusted for inflation.
Re: Gearbox CEO Doesn't See Borderlands 3 Coming To Nintendo Switch
This is lacking too much information. You have one side saying one thing, and it makes it sound as if they asked Nintendo for permission to develop the game and Nintendo said NO. It obviously can't be that simplistic.
Exactly what was the issue?
Re: Editorial: The 3D Effect - A Smart 3DS Feature That Struggled to Find Its True Depth
I recently played the New 3DS really for the first real time. I had it with me for a couple of day. It was ok, but I really couldn't stand the XL screen. My regular DS Lite looks so much sharper and I love it.
So my question here is, I haven't played the regular New 3DS, but does anyone here feel that having the smaller screen is a better option?
Re: The Game Boy Was Nearly a Cheap, Short-Term Project
Dead man tell no tales. Like a drama queen Yokoi angrily said whatever, you do what you want, I'm going to run away and cry because you yelled at me, and collect a pay check.
That's how it comes off to me. Not very believable.
Re: The Nintendo 3DS Has Now Sold More Units In Japan Than The PlayStation 2
@electrolite77 I think the point was that they are more open minded to Nintendo type of games. For example. Yoshi's Island has a lot of gameplay. The game is a masterpiece. If you don't agree, just go along. But many people here would not play it because they are "Hardcore," bad ass. Yet if you take the same game and replace the sprite with darker character, music. Replace the eggs with bombs, Yoshi with a Terminator type robot, etc. Then suddenly the game is good. So in that sense I could see how someone might think that the Japanese gamers are more mature. That's a rough example.
Re: Nintendo Switch to Reportedly Include 4GB of RAM
@Zephryl I meant 40mb per second, which is why in the next sentence I wrote that the cartridge memory used back then for the N64 was obviously faster than the 3ds. With the point being that since they're probably going to use memory similar to the type used in the 3DS, since it's cheaper, I can't say if it's going to be fast enough to prevent loading time. As far as the 286MB/S perhaps I got it from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_64_technical_specifications#Components. And I believe the ram was 500MB/S.
Re: Poll: Are You Excited About the Mini NES?
I'm more excited about the controller. Hoping it looks and feel like the original, simply because they haven't been made in decades. Give it a little life again.
Re: Yoshio Sakamoto Recalls The Moment He Realised Satoru Iwata Was A Programming Genius
So Steve Jobs like.
Re: Rumour: Last Wii U Consoles Roll Off The Production Line This Week
I don't play much console games. Bought a Wii U with literally one game. Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze. With life I just don't get to play much. But amazing game. I love the Wii U. I mainly played on the pad, while having the Wii U in another room. I was fascinated by the fact that I was playing such graphically advanced handheld in sense, that didn't even get hot.
Nintendo always seemed to release things that I want. Months before the Wii came out, I wanted a new way to use a mouse. Months before the Wii U came out, I wanted a dumb tablet that controlled my powerful PC.
Re: Nintendo Switch to Reportedly Include 4GB of RAM
When I first heard the rumors that the NX was going to be cartridge based, I thought. "Cool, they can save money by not having a disc drive, and less ram."
Re: Nintendo Switch to Reportedly Include 4GB of RAM
@Discostew Very interesting. So glad Switch is using game cards, systems are getting more powerful, while disc technology stays the same, forcing consoles to have to play games of the hard drive at such slow speeds.
Re: Nintendo Switch to Reportedly Include 4GB of RAM
@MadAdam81 In defense of Windows, it uses available ram to makes things run snappier. Which is much better than just having the extra ram sitting there eating up electricity.
Re: Nintendo Switch to Reportedly Include 4GB of RAM
@Discostew Do you know the specs for a stock PS4 hard drive? It would be great to know, since games are most likely made with that bottleneck in mind. If the switch has a 400MB/S SSD as a stock HD, then it will be a huge benefit. Especially in random access time.
Re: Nintendo Switch to Reportedly Include 4GB of RAM
@samuelvictor But really what day to day benefits would 8gb of ram bring the Switch. It's not a high end PC, so there would be bottlenecks that could prevent it from using that much. The same thing for the XBox One and PS4, which is probably why they spend that extra ram on the OS.
I was reading about the 750 ti, and the recommendation was to not get the 4GB version, to save up the $30 and get the 2GB non ti. Because the ti is just not powerful enough for that extra ram to be useful.
What I hate about this is that so many here read 4gb, and have no idea what that means.
Re: Nintendo Switch to Reportedly Include 4GB of RAM
@Pink_Floyd Why would it require more ram in a couple of years? The Switch is not going to just get a faster GPU/CPU. The PS4 upgrade is going to get extra ram, but that's basically to play the games in 4k, while developers still have to keep playable at the lower resolution of the original PS4. 4GB seems plenty enough, especially for a non disc based system. What makes you think they're going to pull a 1.5 system, as if that's a norm, or ever been done before the Xbox One and PS4.
Re: Nintendo Switch to Reportedly Include 4GB of RAM
@rjejr I don't understand the logic of if it's easier to do it with a cart and 4gb of ram, companies that actually make video games are not going to view it that way and so will skip the Switch, because they're going to blind sided by the ram and not realize the benefits of the cart. I would understand the average Joe not understanding it, but a video game company?
It's like you have a Sega Genesis and a Sega CD. And a company that's only done games for the Sega CD is not going to used the advantages of a Sega Genesis cart because they only one to do it the way it's done on a Sega CD. And even if they did it the way programmed on a Sega CD it won't have the loading time of a Sega CD nor the loading from needing to constantly delete and feed data to the ram.
Re: Nintendo Switch to Reportedly Include 4GB of RAM
Going of on memory, the Nintendo 64 cartridge ran at around 286mb per second, the Nintendo 3DS is about 40mb per second. Obviously the type of memory back then was faster, so I don't know what the speed of the Switch/NX game card will be. Either way, it's going to be way faster than a PS4 Blu Ray, with no access time. I don't know if the Switch/NX CPU is going to have direct access to the memory in the cartridge, something that's definitely not possible in a disc based system. But before disc based system became the norm, 99.5% of gamers had no idea what ram was, because cartridge based system had virtually no loading time.
Lets also talk about bit rot. SNES and NES games could potentially last longer than 3DS and Switch games, depending on if they use more modern memory. I'm speculating.
Re: Nintendo Switch to Reportedly Include 4GB of RAM
@A01 That's what I was thinking.
Re: Nintendo Switch to Reportedly Include 4GB of RAM
@6ch6ris6 You have to consider that it's also a cartridge system. Not sure what kind of memory the cartridge is going to use, but the faster the less need for ram. I was reading about the development of an Indiana Jones game for the Nintendo 64, and the developer talked about the fact that if the Nintendo 64 was a disc based system, it would have needed more ram to load the complete level in order to run the game. With the cartridge, that extra ram and loading time was not necessary, since the cartridge in a sense acted as extra ram.