Wii U + 3DS ~= PS4 + Vita (depending on the year)> Xbox One (rumored since no official Xbox One numbers exists)
The reason is Sony, Sega and Microsoft traditionally sell their systems at a steep loss the first few years in hopes that software will sell enough and convince enough people to buy enough systems to turn a profit.
EA and Ubisoft have well over 20 games on Android and iOS. Activision has a few. Blizzard has a few Bethesda has a few mobile gaming apps Square-Enix has over 20 titles on mobile, most being old RPG ports. Capcom has a quite a few mobile titles Konami has a few mobile titles etc...
Microsoft has a few mobile gaming titles on Android and iOS. Sony has had numerous mobile gaming efforts on Android and iOS
Nintendo is just catching up to the rest of the industry.
PS1 turned a nice tidy profit, by pushing the adoption of CDs. PS2 took 4 years to make a profit, though once it did it was a nice profit. But the profit was mainly from pushing the adoption of DVDs.
PS3 was hogged tied by Cell Processor and Blu-ray. PS3 cost Sony over $6 Billion, nearly bankrupting the company.
PS4 was designed with profits in mind, thus Sony purposely used cheap CPUs and GPUs and skimped on power.
So the hardware has made a few hundred million, but Sony has spent way more than that on 3rd party support and marketing.
Xbox is in the Entertainment and Devices division.
From Wiki "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft#Entertainment_and_Devices_Division This division consist of The Entertainment and Devices Division produces the Windows CE OS for embedded systems and Windows Phone for smartphones.[87] Microsoft initially entered the mobile market through Windows CE for handheld devices, eventually developing into the Windows Mobile OS and now, Windows Phone. Windows CE is designed for devices where the OS may not directly be visible to the end user, in particular, appliances and cars. The division also produces computer games, via its in-house game publisher Microsoft Studios, that run on Windows PCs and other systems including titles such as Age of Empires, Halo and the Microsoft Flight Simulator series, and houses the Macintosh Business Unit which produces Mac OS software including Microsoft Office 2011 for Mac. Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices Division designs, markets, and manufactures consumer electronics including Xbox, the handheld Zune media player, and the television-based Internet appliance MSN TV. Microsoft also markets personal computer hardware including mice, keyboards, and various game controllers such as joysticks and gamepads."
Xbox hardware numbers aren't reported after the restructuring and are hidden behind other profitable products in the divisions.
The Mac Business Unit, PC accessories and Android patents make up most of the profit of that division.
Microsoft purposely quit releasing Xbox numbers due to Investors demanding that they sell the Xbox brand off due to all the losses.
@Dezzy It's in their financial reports. Though they quit reporting Xbox numbers with Xbox One to hide the losses.
Microsoft lost well over $1 Billion dollars on the first Xbox, over $5 Billion on Xbox 360 (not including all the necessary repairs and litigation from RRoD), and they announced at Xbox One's first E3 they planned to spend over $1 Billion alone to get 3rd party content and even special $400 Million dollar deal with EA to get their content.
@Yorumi
Investors wanted them to drop out of hardware with Nintendo 64, investors wanted them to drop hardware with Gamecube.
Investors wanted them to drop hardware at the peak of Wii and DS.
Investors still want it now.
The point is simple: Nintendo cannot outspend Microsoft who has bottomless cash reserves and Sony who is able to lean on other divisions to outspend them.
Microsoft and Sony spend over $1 Billion each year on gaming alone in just advertisements.
Sony and Microsoft spend even more to get product placements and sponsorships of key sporting events and others.
Mobile would provide Nintendo the influx of cash and mindshare from people constantly interacting with their software.
They get even more mindshare and money once their theme park stuff at Universal Studios opens which will keep people engaged.
Once films and animations come out based on Nintendo IPs it will give them more money and mindshare.
Add in products featuring Nintendo characters such as currently Band-Aids and Soup cans then you get even more attention.
Microsoft did this type of stuff this gen:
1) They teamed up with NFL for all things Microsoft and they regularly advertise Xbox exclusively at NFL events.
Xbox One is the exclusive console for NFL Content
2) The Xbox App is on the Windows 10 store front and center. The Xbox App is front and center in the start menu of Windows 10
3) Microsoft keeps Xbox One as part of the Windows 10 devices at retail and in all the retail in store placements
4) Microsoft advertises Xbox One as one of the main devices using Windows 10.
People forget that Mobile is part of Nintendo's massive expansion plans.
Nintendo said they wanted to expand into Mobile, Theme Parks, Animation, Films, other products etc...
This will give them the necessary revenue, profits and mindshare to go against Microsoft who makes $10-$18 Billion dollars each year just from Windows and MS Office. Microsoft makes enough money each year that they can spend whatever they want on gaming and never have to profit from gaming (which they haven't).
Microsoft has repeatedly stated they will spend whatever it takes become the main gaming company (they have the money).
Sony has 25 divisions, which in turn allows them to get parts for Playstation systems for massively cheaper than Microsoft and Nintendo. This has let Sony typically price their Playstation systems much cheaper than the competition. They also can lean on other divisions to sell Playstations stuff at some losses.
Nintendo is the one who is small fry and can't take huge losses on products, nor do they have endless cash to burn
@Yorumi Mobile made games do not undermind their hardware. If done right it can lead to a halo effect and get those consumers to buy dedicated hardware. A lot of iPhone and iPad users ended up buying Macs.
A lot of Galaxy buyers bought other Samsung products.
Putting software on PC/Steam will send the wrong message and expectations to the market and 3rd parties. Microsoft would run with the narrative that Nintendo is going 3rd party and probably go as far as launching commercials about it.
Gabe of Valve would spout of at the mouth about it to the press.
Sony hasn't even bothered to port their old games to PC yet either.
Nintendo isn't going entirely mobile, they are doing what investors have demanded them to do.
Though DENA is doing most of the work on Nintendo's mobile titles not Nintendo.
Microsoft literally make all of it's profits outside of gaming and uses part of those $12 Billion to do everything they do with Xbox. I mean that's how they were able to sell Xbox 360 at over $200 loss in the beginning.
Sony make the majority of it's revenue outside of Playstation. Hell this past year Sony made the most of it's revenue by selling prime real estate to avoid bankruptcy.
Sony was only able to sell PS3 at huge losses because the majority of it's revenue is made outside of gaming.
Nintendo is hamstrung competing against two huge corporations that make more revenue in a year than Nintendo in a decade.
@rjejr Did you miss how the majority in each territory hated Club Nintendo because it had "crappy" prizes, "worthless" games, and "insulting" platinum prizes.
Also practically everyone hated entering in those pins to get coins. They also hated the surveys too.
Are people really upset over a truly free rewards program?
I mean they aren't the greatest, but you get most of the coins for interacting with the Nintendo products.... This is much better then most others companies, who force you to spend money get all the rewards (I'm part of numerous rewards programs).
I mean Sony just ended Playstation MVP (the PS rewards program) with no replacement in sight. They said the cost didn't justify the result.
Microsoft doesn't bother to do anything with Xbox Rewards, yet doesn't have the heart to kill it. But at least Xbox users get a free digital cake card on XBL and a free quarter for their birthday.
In the end I can't complain about My Nintendo Rewards, I got free goodies for have fun with Nintendo products.
@rjejr None of those companies have a reason to rise sooner. Android growth is negative, Google's ad revenue isn't growing fast anymore and they don't have new product to drive profits.
Microsoft is seeing it's business software sales stagnate as companies aren't upgrading their software and hardware because of economic instability. Windows 10 hasn't been driving revenues. Xbox One is struggling to hit 20M and Microsoft won't release any numbers on it. Windows 10 phones are dead in the water and are cost Microsoft money. PC market is still contracting significantly each quarter. Windows 10 first quarter saw a 7% decline in the PC market.
Apple's iPhone sales are barely growing compared to last year. Their Mac sales are barely growing Their other hardware is barely growing. Their software is barely growing iTunes is seeing digital music sales fall of a cliff as everyone moves to streaming and piracy (Apple is not the only one being hit hard by it). Etc...
Activision will probably recover once the new Call of Duty breaks launch numbers at the end of the year. But they still aren't going to be at E3.
EA might see a recovery, but none of their new products are actually selling well (Star Wars doesn't count as they co-developed it with Disney) . EA won't be at E3 either.
AMD promised everyone their next generation CPUs and Polaris GPUs would be ready for market in late 2014. AMD delayed them both for reasons until mid 2015 AMD then delayed them to early 2016. AMD recently delayed them to an end of the year launch with full production in Q1. (it's a big deal to PC gamers and PC users).
Sharp is the process of a massive takeover by Foxconn or Innovation (Japanese). They've pretty much been forced to delay all new parts and products until the takeover finalized. that won't be a for a few more weeks.
These are Nintendo's two biggest suppliers of parts and chips.
You obviously cannot force your suppliers to overcome issues.
I mean Nintendo 64 was delayed a whole year due CPU and GPU yields. The system was originally planned for Spring 1995.
Even Apple and Samsung (two biggest consumer electronic companies) are rumored to be pushing up their new product launches to avoid U.S. Holiday season due to it being too over crowded these days.
@day It has little to do with Sony and more to do component suppliers behind schedule.
You also forget that practically every company in the world launching products to meet the U.S. Holiday period to the point is vastly overcrowded and overwhelming for everyone. U.S. Holiday period so hyper competitive that only those who do the most marketing tend to win out.
Companies for the past few years have been launching their products in the other parts of the year, because they get more attention and better sales, with less competition.
Duh Investors and stock market weren't happy so the stock went down. It's no secret that major investors visit sites such as NeoGaf, Gamespot, IGN and 4chan to gauge response to gaming stuff before deciding what to do with the stock.
Nearly all technology stocks are way down after most of them had modest quarterly reports.
Apple is down over 8% due to investors and the market being unhappy with their quarterly results of $10.5 Billion in profit
Alphabet/Google is down just shy of 8% after their quarterly report a week ago.
Microsoft's stock is down 8.12% over their quarterly report rattled the market.
EA's stock is down over 4% over their quarterly report.
Activision/Blizzard are down almost 2% over their quarterly report.
Sony is down nearly 3% over their quarterly report.
Take Two is down nearly 4% over their quarterly report.
Ubisoft is nearly down 2% since their quarterly report.
Twitter dropped almost 13% on their quarterly report.
Etc...
The stock markets have been rattled the past few days tanking lots of stock down with them.
@Kris_Gunn They don't view Nintendo as a joke. They view Nintendo as family friendly, kiddie, "casual", women oriented instead of "hardcore" oriented like Playstation and Xbox. This isn't anything new, it just blew up bigger when Sony and Microsoft focused nearly exclusively on the "hardcore" gamer.
I mean EA left this year, there are whispers of Ubisoft leaving next year, and others that could be leaving including hardware vendors.
@PikminSalad Ironically that's what people have been saying about Microsoft and Apple on other sites.
Nintendo has undergone an emergency transition to a new CEO, restructured it's internal teams, and today they restructured into a Western style form of management. This has happened in the last two years.
Add that to the fact that AMD is behind schedule with new CPUs and GPUs productions, it makes it even worse.
Add Sharp stuck in limbo due to takeover by one of it's competitors, then it makes it even worse. Though we will find out soon who won the takeover of Sharp.
AMD and Sharp are two of Nintendo's biggest suppliers of parts.
PS4 and Xbox are unaffected because they use older AMD chips and GPUs.
@Dizzard E3 has been losing major support as companies have pulled out.
EA was the latest company to leave E3 because it wasn't a good venue to show their games off anymore.
There are other trade shows Nintendo goes to, like Gamescon (Germany, August), PAX Main (U.S. and in Fall), GDC (U.S. in March), and PAX East in Boston during the April and May.
Nintendo also goes to Penny Arcade, the fighting game tourneys, The Pokemon Championships and a few other non gaming shows.
There is also CES in January where Microsoft takes Xbox and Windows stuff to show off.
E3 like I've said it mainly just for Sony, Microsoft, and Ubisoft to show off their "hardcore" games.
EA and Activision are both skipping E3 this year for their own shows.
Many other 3rd parties are also skipping the show as well.
This year's E3 will as usual consist of Microsoft showing off new AAA Blockbuster games and shooters.
Sony will show more AAA Blockbuster games and shooters all targeted at the Western "hardcore" gamer. Ubisoft will go crazy with The Division, and any other AAA Blockbuster adventure/AC style games they have.
Bethesda will announce their next game and more Fallout 4 stuff.
And then Nintendo has a huge booth that will show Zelda and something else.
As with the past 10 years, the gaming press will whine about having to cover Nintendo games when they'd rather be at one of other booths and conferences. They will whine about how Nintendo doesn't throw an after party and give them tons of goodies.
The mainstream press will widely report heavily on the games shown while saying that Nintendo shouldn't be there due to them bring family friendly games with bright colors into a show for adult gamers.
Nintendo is better off holding it's own event and going to PAX in full swing. Nintendo is loved at PAX and is the only major gaming company to show most years and gets tons of positive press from it.
I mean Valve, EA, Activision, other smaller 3rd parties, Apple, Samsung, LG, HTC, etc.. all have their own events and get plenty of positive press without needing to go to a crowded shooter fest.
Also Sony does Playstation Events to show off it's non "hardcore" titles as in those that don't appeal to 15-35 Western Male. Sony says they do this to not to drive away that crowd like Nintendo does.
Microsoft does the same and for the Windows products too.
Lastly launching NX in March will put in line with many tech products that launch in March even many Apple products launch in March now. It also makes it much harder for Sony and Microsoft to adapt to whatever useful thing Nintendo brings to the table.
To repeat E3 is shrinking each year as it has become a massive money pit and it is now just for 15-35 Western males who prefer AAA Blockbuster games and shooters.
You don't bring anything else to E3 or be laughed out Nintendo style.
It's evident that most people haven't been following AMD and SHARP.
AMD is behind in their new GPU production. They are literally almost year behind production. They are also delayed with their new CPUs as well.
Sharp who provides screens and stuff to Nintendo has been having an output issue as it is literally frozen due to the takeover fight by it's two main competitors.
Foxconn is also have issues with parts too.
I easily think this delay is due to part suppliers having trouble. This stuff is also effecting other companies as well.
@ikki5
You like others seem to forget Nintendo is horribly out of place at E3 with the games they make and show.
The gaming press goes to E3 to play Call of Duty, Ubisoft games, Sony games, Take Two games, Microsoft games and Bethesda games.
The gaming press and attendants tend to avoid Nintendo's massive booths for the others.
So what's the point of Nintendo going to E3, when the gaming press would rather being playing "hardcore" games and shooters at E3 instead of playing Nintendo games?
EA is not at E3 this year as is many other bigger publishers.
Now that I have thought about it PAX is a much better venue for Nintendo to do a blow out of NX information, since the major gaming companies don't bother to show there. Also PAX user actually like Nintendo and E3 users mostly don't!
@Jin15 That's not true. People spend just as much money now in the U.S. and other countries in Quarter 1 (January - March) as they do in Q4 (October - December). The last few holiday quarters have been shrinking in spending size while Q1 has increased in spending size.
Nintendo should have March all to themselves, which is also a big spending month in Asia and many parts of Europe.
Hell many companies launch new products in Q1 and Q2 now due to them being less crowded quarters.
Nintendo should actually perform better without having to compete with the Western industry in that quarter.
@earthboundlink
Actually Traditional style American subsidizes have ended in the U.S., Canada, Mexico and a few other markets that had them.
Now AT&T makes you pay full price or pay huge monthly installments now.
Verizion will subsidize your phone, though you still have decent sized monthly payments (bigger than before), but you must return the phone at the end of the contract.
T-mobile doesn't do contracts, so you have to pay full price but you get a smaller bill than others each month. They do pay fair price for older phones.
Sprint is almost as bad as AT&T and Verizon in monthly fees.
Again all the sales trackers show smartphone sale sdown significantly from 2014 and are showing an even bigger decline for 2016 sales (due to iPhone sales being stagnant so far).
Smartphones are now in decline like PC, Tablet, and other industries.
Smartphone users have been buying less software each passing years, with developers relying on shady methods to earn money.
@Yorumi They can do that, but it will require something to capture their attention.
Unifying the OS and development environment (including architect) will make development that much more streamlined and simplified.
Though you need to find away to streamline controls to make them user friendly and intuitive.
Valve did a good job with their Steam Controller, but they received a big backlash from the angry "hardcore".
Nintendo find a way to streamline and meld traditional controls with something that is intuitive, easy and user friendly and user personalized. If they can do fully customizable controls then that is a big win for me.
As someone who has gamed for 26 years, dual shock and Xbox controllers are god awful and horrible for most games. I hate dual analog games with a passion because they are so anti user friendly and horrible cumbersome.
Anyways serving this market, which I believe the plan to will drive "hardcore" gamers away and the Western 3rd parties who need them for sales.
Say good by to EA, Ubisoft, Activision and WBi with their AAA blockbuster games and M-rated titles. Though to be fair WBi and EA have already left PC/Steam markets. Ubisoft is winding down PC/Steam support. Activision doesn't fully support PC players on what little they release.
@crimsontadpoles Actually for almost 10 years now the games that chart in NPD, UK charts, and EU charts have been almost FPSs, GTA, EA Sports, Ubisoft AAA titles and the other AAA Blockbuster. Occasionally a Nintendo game or niche 3rd party title would chart, but that is rare.
Those people who buy those games don't want to associate with Nintendo games, E rated games, most T rate games or anything that is considered family friendly or female friendly according to NPD, Sony, EEDAR and the rest.
We literally have the market research on it, showing that the "hardcore" wants nothing to do with non "hardcore" stuff and people. They don't even like going to non gaming places that non-"hardcore" people go to for stuff.
@Vandy While that is true, the gaming industry has been ignoring virtually everyone else who isn't into that.
I mean there is nothing on PS4 and/or Xbox One that appeals in any significant way to families, kids, women, nerds, "casuals", or whatever other type of person you can think of these days. It just has to have the right appeal, content and price ( a $250+ piece of hardware is too much).
If it is true that the "hardcore" really are buying multiple PS4s and Xbox ones, then there is no reason why PS4 can't reach 100M sold off the backs of the "hardcore".
I mean it's believable because the average Xbox 360 owner bought upwards of 3 Xbox 360s before the gen ended and the average PS2 owners were said to own multiple PS2s.
Nintendo can provide an alternative to the gritty and violent "hardcore" gaming as you described. Though their alternative has to be simple, straightforward, and priced under $250 USD.
The Wii U was too confusing, too pricey and too muddled of a message to appeal to mainstream/casuals/women. It just had too many bright colors and E — T rated games at launch to be seen as "hardcore".
Nintendo cannot complete against Microsoft and Sony for the "hardcore" who want the games you mentioned because Microsoft and Sony literally lost over $10+ Billion USD last gen competing for them to the point it nearly bankrupted Sony.
PS4 is slightly profitable on hardware margins, but Sony is spending close to $1 Billion USD to get Western 3rd parties to support their system in full capacity. This alone is more than Sony makes on selling PS4s.
Microsoft is spending almost as much as Sony just to get less 3rd party
When this gen is done, Microsoft alone will have spent will over $1 Billion USD and Sony will have spent over $2 Billion USD for Western support.
But the good news is Smartphone sales for 2015 are negative (as in they sold less phones than in 2014) and 2016 is expected to be the year where Apple sells less iPhones while Android drops even further.
All the Major Western markets want are shooters, GTA games, realistic sports, M-rated games and AAA Blockbuster games.
This is why everything else is bombing on Steam, PS4, Xbox One. Hell Microsoft and Sony's first party games are now struggling to sell 1M in West outside of Halo 5 and Uncharted.
This is also why PS4 is a raving success on par to outsell PS3 and tie PS1.
Xbox One is doomed because it isn't laser focused on that group.
Wii U was seen as having kiddie and "casual" games like every Nintendo system before it and not giving gamers what they want just like Nintendo has done with every system.
If Nintendo wants to regain gamers in the West, they need to showcase software for NX that is only AAA Blockbuster, realistic sports, shooters and full of blood and gore.
If Nintendo decides to show bright colorful games, Zelda, Pokemon and Mario etc... the media and gamers will decry them as kiddie and "casual" games with NX forever carrying on the tradition of Nintendo hardware bearing the kiddie and "casual" labels (even if it offense certain subtypes of gamers).
Sure Nintendo could make an NX userbase of 10-60M out of handheld and console for people who want T — E rated games in the West. But it would be very lacking in shooters, GTA games, realistic sports, M-rated games and AAA Blockbuster games due most Western third parties refusing to support it because it lacks a userbase made of gamers.
Gamers in the West don't play games with bright colors, animish charactes, etc... They are very reluctant to buy T — E rated games too. They also hate playing on systems that have a userbase made up of women, children, nerds, Nintendo fans, parents etc...
This why Sony, EEDAR and NPD shows the PS4 userbase is almost exclusively 15-35 year old Western males, which the industry calls "hardcore" gamers (Yes I hate this term, but we can't avoid it and if you don't fit this group accept what you are instead of going off the deepend). This userbase mainly plays shooters, GTA games, realistic sports, M-rated games and AAA Blockbuster games. They seemingly for whatever reason ignore everything else that is released on PS4. Same thing to a slightly lesser extent on Xbox One, due to slightly more diverse userbase.
Wii U userbase consist of people who aren't "hardcore" gamers and are willing to buy most decent games. This has lead to indies for the most part doing better, T — E rated game selling better on Wii U than the other systems, and small companies doing better too.
For whatever the reason is "hardcore" gamers don't want anything to do with the rest of the industry to a devastating effect. They also wanted to be catered to exclusively and will respond negatively if the center of attention deviates from them.
So this means Nintendo has two choices:
1) Make a play for the "hardcore" gamers at the expense of everyone else. Though this means no traditional Nintendo software, no games like Mario, Zelda, DK, Splatoon because they will drive the "hardcore" gamer away like they did on Wii U, Wii, GC, SNES, and NES (Thankfully the "hardcore" don't bother with handhelds and PC for the most part).
2) Make a system that is for everyone aka kids and "casuals" with a diverse software offering and hopes that the "hardcore" gamers and the companies that sell to them don't turn the public against you.
So what are you?
A "hardcore" gamer who is playing those games on their PS4s while constantly insulting and scowling at every one else seeing them as kids and dirty "casuals".
Or everyone aka kids, "casuals", nerds, women etc... as Sony, NPD and EEDAR state. We play all the other games.
@WiltonRoots I suggest you delete your post before those who are on the attack discover it. I bet they will be wiling to go as far as taking it to you physically in public.
I fear your safety is in danger.
It's not unheard of or unusually for things of this nature to spill out from this and other gaming sites into the real world.
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@Ogbert
I've done well in Mii Drop when it comes to get items I want.
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@Ogbert
Yeah getting candy sucks, but they are only useful when someone hides their answers.
You can get Mii drop tickets from My Nintendo Rewards.
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@Turbo857
F-Zero GX maybe a perfect arcade racer, but it is one of the worst selling Nintendo first party titles ever!
I don't think it ever hit the 300k mark in sales globally.
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@Project_Dolphin
You have to go to Sony's Investor relations site and hope they have the old data still posted.
Same goes Microsoft and Nintendo.
Though I do know this much...
N64 + GB/GBC > PS1+Saturn+ other consoles makers in profit.
Gamecube + GBA > PS2 + Xbox + DC + N-gage + Wonderswan in profits
Wii + DS >>>>>>>> PS3 + Xbox 360 + PSP + N-gage reboot
Wii U + 3DS ~= PS4 + Vita (depending on the year)> Xbox One (rumored since no official Xbox One numbers exists)
The reason is Sony, Sega and Microsoft traditionally sell their systems at a steep loss the first few years in hopes that software will sell enough and convince enough people to buy enough systems to turn a profit.
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As for the industry on mobile:
EA and Ubisoft have well over 20 games on Android and iOS.
Activision has a few.
Blizzard has a few
Bethesda has a few mobile gaming apps
Square-Enix has over 20 titles on mobile, most being old RPG ports.
Capcom has a quite a few mobile titles
Konami has a few mobile titles
etc...
Microsoft has a few mobile gaming titles on Android and iOS.
Sony has had numerous mobile gaming efforts on Android and iOS
Nintendo is just catching up to the rest of the industry.
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@Project_Dolphin
PS1 turned a nice tidy profit, by pushing the adoption of CDs.
PS2 took 4 years to make a profit, though once it did it was a nice profit. But the profit was mainly from pushing the adoption of DVDs.
PS3 was hogged tied by Cell Processor and Blu-ray.
PS3 cost Sony over $6 Billion, nearly bankrupting the company.
PS4 was designed with profits in mind, thus Sony purposely used cheap CPUs and GPUs and skimped on power.
So the hardware has made a few hundred million, but Sony has spent way more than that on 3rd party support and marketing.
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@Dezzy
That's not entirely true.
Xbox is in the Entertainment and Devices division.
From Wiki
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft#Entertainment_and_Devices_Division
This division consist of The Entertainment and Devices Division produces the Windows CE OS for embedded systems and Windows Phone for smartphones.[87] Microsoft initially entered the mobile market through Windows CE for handheld devices, eventually developing into the Windows Mobile OS and now, Windows Phone. Windows CE is designed for devices where the OS may not directly be visible to the end user, in particular, appliances and cars. The division also produces computer games, via its in-house game publisher Microsoft Studios, that run on Windows PCs and other systems including titles such as Age of Empires, Halo and the Microsoft Flight Simulator series, and houses the Macintosh Business Unit which produces Mac OS software including Microsoft Office 2011 for Mac. Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices Division designs, markets, and manufactures consumer electronics including Xbox, the handheld Zune media player, and the television-based Internet appliance MSN TV. Microsoft also markets personal computer hardware including mice, keyboards, and various game controllers such as joysticks and gamepads."
Xbox hardware numbers aren't reported after the restructuring and are hidden behind other profitable products in the divisions.
The Mac Business Unit, PC accessories and Android patents make up most of the profit of that division.
Microsoft purposely quit releasing Xbox numbers due to Investors demanding that they sell the Xbox brand off due to all the losses.
Re: Nintendo Wants Mobile to be a "Pillar of Profit"
@Dezzy
It's in their financial reports.
Though they quit reporting Xbox numbers with Xbox One to hide the losses.
Microsoft lost well over $1 Billion dollars on the first Xbox, over $5 Billion on Xbox 360 (not including all the necessary repairs and litigation from RRoD), and they announced at Xbox One's first E3 they planned to spend over $1 Billion alone to get 3rd party content and even special $400 Million dollar deal with EA to get their content.
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@Yorumi
Investors wanted them to drop out of hardware with Nintendo 64, investors wanted them to drop hardware with Gamecube.
Investors wanted them to drop hardware at the peak of Wii and DS.
Investors still want it now.
The point is simple: Nintendo cannot outspend Microsoft who has bottomless cash reserves and Sony who is able to lean on other divisions to outspend them.
Microsoft and Sony spend over $1 Billion each year on gaming alone in just advertisements.
Sony and Microsoft spend even more to get product placements and sponsorships of key sporting events and others.
Mobile would provide Nintendo the influx of cash and mindshare from people constantly interacting with their software.
They get even more mindshare and money once their theme park stuff at Universal Studios opens which will keep people engaged.
Once films and animations come out based on Nintendo IPs it will give them more money and mindshare.
Add in products featuring Nintendo characters such as currently Band-Aids and Soup cans then you get even more attention.
Microsoft did this type of stuff this gen:
1) They teamed up with NFL for all things Microsoft and they regularly advertise Xbox exclusively at NFL events.
Xbox One is the exclusive console for NFL Content
2) The Xbox App is on the Windows 10 store front and center. The Xbox App is front and center in the start menu of Windows 10
3) Microsoft keeps Xbox One as part of the Windows 10 devices at retail and in all the retail in store placements
4) Microsoft advertises Xbox One as one of the main devices using Windows 10.
5) Xbox One is everywhere Windows 10 is now.
Re: Nintendo Wants Mobile to be a "Pillar of Profit"
People forget that Mobile is part of Nintendo's massive expansion plans.
Nintendo said they wanted to expand into Mobile, Theme Parks, Animation, Films, other products etc...
This will give them the necessary revenue, profits and mindshare to go against Microsoft who makes $10-$18 Billion dollars each year just from Windows and MS Office.
Microsoft makes enough money each year that they can spend whatever they want on gaming and never have to profit from gaming (which they haven't).
Microsoft has repeatedly stated they will spend whatever it takes become the main gaming company (they have the money).
Sony has 25 divisions, which in turn allows them to get parts for Playstation systems for massively cheaper than Microsoft and Nintendo.
This has let Sony typically price their Playstation systems much cheaper than the competition.
They also can lean on other divisions to sell Playstations stuff at some losses.
Nintendo is the one who is small fry and can't take huge losses on products, nor do they have endless cash to burn
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@Yorumi
Mobile made games do not undermind their hardware.
If done right it can lead to a halo effect and get those consumers to buy dedicated hardware.
A lot of iPhone and iPad users ended up buying Macs.
A lot of Galaxy buyers bought other Samsung products.
Putting software on PC/Steam will send the wrong message and expectations to the market and 3rd parties.
Microsoft would run with the narrative that Nintendo is going 3rd party and probably go as far as launching commercials about it.
Gabe of Valve would spout of at the mouth about it to the press.
Sony hasn't even bothered to port their old games to PC yet either.
Nintendo isn't going entirely mobile, they are doing what investors have demanded them to do.
Though DENA is doing most of the work on Nintendo's mobile titles not Nintendo.
Re: Nintendo Wants Mobile to be a "Pillar of Profit"
@AyeHaley
But their is no market for family friendly titles on Xbox or Playstation these days.
Re: Nintendo Wants Mobile to be a "Pillar of Profit"
All this doom and gloom is quite funny.
Microsoft literally make all of it's profits outside of gaming and uses part of those $12 Billion to do everything they do with Xbox. I mean that's how they were able to sell Xbox 360 at over $200 loss in the beginning.
Sony make the majority of it's revenue outside of Playstation.
Hell this past year Sony made the most of it's revenue by selling prime real estate to avoid bankruptcy.
Sony was only able to sell PS3 at huge losses because the majority of it's revenue is made outside of gaming.
Nintendo is hamstrung competing against two huge corporations that make more revenue in a year than Nintendo in a decade.
Re: Reminder: This is the Final Day for a Number of My Nintendo Rewards
@ECM
So true.
But don't be sexist and exclude women from it.
Re: Reminder: This is the Final Day for a Number of My Nintendo Rewards
@rjejr
Did you miss how the majority in each territory hated Club Nintendo because it had "crappy" prizes, "worthless" games, and "insulting" platinum prizes.
Also practically everyone hated entering in those pins to get coins. They also hated the surveys too.
But My Nintendo does have menu to input PINS.
Re: Reminder: This is the Final Day for a Number of My Nintendo Rewards
Are people really upset over a truly free rewards program?
I mean they aren't the greatest, but you get most of the coins for interacting with the Nintendo products....
This is much better then most others companies, who force you to spend money get all the rewards (I'm part of numerous rewards programs).
I mean Sony just ended Playstation MVP (the PS rewards program) with no replacement in sight.
They said the cost didn't justify the result.
Microsoft doesn't bother to do anything with Xbox Rewards, yet doesn't have the heart to kill it.
But at least Xbox users get a free digital cake card on XBL and a free quarter for their birthday.
In the end I can't complain about My Nintendo Rewards, I got free goodies for have fun with Nintendo products.
Re: Poll: Are You Confident About Nintendo's 3DS Focus for 2016?
It's good year for my 3DS.
I still need to get Paper Jam, Bravely Default 2, possibly Kirby Triple Deluxe.
I also plan to get Pokemon Sun or Moon, DQVII, DQVIII and anything else that catches my fancy.
I'm getting at least 6 3DS games by the end of the year, so I'm quite happy.
Re: Nintendo Share Price Drops Over 8% as Analysts Weigh in On NX and Mobile Plans
@rjejr
None of those companies have a reason to rise sooner.
Android growth is negative, Google's ad revenue isn't growing fast anymore and they don't have new product to drive profits.
Microsoft is seeing it's business software sales stagnate as companies aren't upgrading their software and hardware because of economic instability.
Windows 10 hasn't been driving revenues.
Xbox One is struggling to hit 20M and Microsoft won't release any numbers on it.
Windows 10 phones are dead in the water and are cost Microsoft money.
PC market is still contracting significantly each quarter.
Windows 10 first quarter saw a 7% decline in the PC market.
Apple's iPhone sales are barely growing compared to last year.
Their Mac sales are barely growing
Their other hardware is barely growing.
Their software is barely growing
iTunes is seeing digital music sales fall of a cliff as everyone moves to streaming and piracy (Apple is not the only one being hit hard by it).
Etc...
Activision will probably recover once the new Call of Duty breaks launch numbers at the end of the year.
But they still aren't going to be at E3.
EA might see a recovery, but none of their new products are actually selling well (Star Wars doesn't count as they co-developed it with Disney) .
EA won't be at E3 either.
Re: Launching NX Next Year Is The "Proper" Thing To Do, Says Nintendo Boss Tatsumi Kimishima
It easily has to do with this.
AMD promised everyone their next generation CPUs and Polaris GPUs would be ready for market in late 2014.
AMD delayed them both for reasons until mid 2015
AMD then delayed them to early 2016.
AMD recently delayed them to an end of the year launch with full production in Q1.
(it's a big deal to PC gamers and PC users).
Sharp is the process of a massive takeover by Foxconn or Innovation (Japanese). They've pretty much been forced to delay all new parts and products until the takeover finalized. that won't be a for a few more weeks.
These are Nintendo's two biggest suppliers of parts and chips.
You obviously cannot force your suppliers to overcome issues.
I mean Nintendo 64 was delayed a whole year due CPU and GPU yields. The system was originally planned for Spring 1995.
Even Apple and Samsung (two biggest consumer electronic companies) are rumored to be pushing up their new product launches to avoid U.S. Holiday season due to it being too over crowded these days.
Re: Nintendo Share Price Drops Over 8% as Analysts Weigh in On NX and Mobile Plans
@Kid_Sickarus
Stock market reacts based on many things and your stock can tank due to non related global variables.
Investors are becoming more and more panicky as the global economy inches ever closer to stagnation and possible recession.
To get a good bump for a yearly or quarterly reports, you have to beat the market's expectations, despite how crazy their expectations maybe.
Just doing good to decent profit and sales are not good enough.
Investors want high growth and high profit.
Re: Nintendo Share Price Drops Over 8% as Analysts Weigh in On NX and Mobile Plans
@day
It has little to do with Sony and more to do component suppliers behind schedule.
You also forget that practically every company in the world launching products to meet the U.S. Holiday period to the point is vastly overcrowded and overwhelming for everyone.
U.S. Holiday period so hyper competitive that only those who do the most marketing tend to win out.
Companies for the past few years have been launching their products in the other parts of the year, because they get more attention and better sales, with less competition.
Re: Nintendo Share Price Drops Over 8% as Analysts Weigh in On NX and Mobile Plans
@rjejr
The question is who's stock will drop further before rebounding...
Microsoft
Nintendo
Google/Alphabet
Apple
They are all neck in neck in drops.
Re: Nintendo Share Price Drops Over 8% as Analysts Weigh in On NX and Mobile Plans
@Wouwter
Because significant drops can lead to credit and liquidity issues.
But since most Japanese companies are cash rich and not really dependent on credit, it doesn't bother them as much.
Like I posted Microsoft, Apple and Google are down almost as much as Nintendo because of their quarterly reports.
Re: Nintendo Share Price Drops Over 8% as Analysts Weigh in On NX and Mobile Plans
Duh Investors and stock market weren't happy so the stock went down. It's no secret that major investors visit sites such as NeoGaf, Gamespot, IGN and 4chan to gauge response to gaming stuff before deciding what to do with the stock.
Nearly all technology stocks are way down after most of them had modest quarterly reports.
Apple is down over 8% due to investors and the market being unhappy with their quarterly results of $10.5 Billion in profit
Alphabet/Google is down just shy of 8% after their quarterly report a week ago.
Microsoft's stock is down 8.12% over their quarterly report rattled the market.
EA's stock is down over 4% over their quarterly report.
Activision/Blizzard are down almost 2% over their quarterly report.
Sony is down nearly 3% over their quarterly report.
Take Two is down nearly 4% over their quarterly report.
Ubisoft is nearly down 2% since their quarterly report.
Twitter dropped almost 13% on their quarterly report.
Etc...
The stock markets have been rattled the past few days tanking lots of stock down with them.
Re: Reaction: Nintendo Shakes Up E3 With No NX and a Focus on Legend of Zelda
@Kris_Gunn
They don't view Nintendo as a joke.
They view Nintendo as family friendly, kiddie, "casual", women oriented instead of "hardcore" oriented like Playstation and Xbox.
This isn't anything new, it just blew up bigger when Sony and Microsoft focused nearly exclusively on the "hardcore" gamer.
I mean EA left this year, there are whispers of Ubisoft leaving next year, and others that could be leaving including hardware vendors.
Re: Reaction: Nintendo Shakes Up E3 With No NX and a Focus on Legend of Zelda
@arnoldlayne83
So you'd rather Nintendo release another "bad' Zelda like Skyward Sword, TP, WW, MM?
All of those were hated when they came out by everyone for not being as good as their predecessors.
I mean Zelda might beat the Last Guardian out!
Re: Reaction: Nintendo Shakes Up E3 With No NX and a Focus on Legend of Zelda
@Kage_88
Actually Microsoft incorporates Xbox into it's Windows 10 press events and marketing.
Xbox One is officially labeled a Windows 10 device and appears in all the marketing for it.
I can't wait for E3 to shrink massively or die, North America shouldn't be call all the shots in gaming news.
Re: Reaction: Nintendo Shakes Up E3 With No NX and a Focus on Legend of Zelda
@PikminSalad
Ironically that's what people have been saying about Microsoft and Apple on other sites.
Nintendo has undergone an emergency transition to a new CEO, restructured it's internal teams, and today they restructured into a Western style form of management.
This has happened in the last two years.
Add that to the fact that AMD is behind schedule with new CPUs and GPUs productions, it makes it even worse.
Add Sharp stuck in limbo due to takeover by one of it's competitors, then it makes it even worse. Though we will find out soon who won the takeover of Sharp.
AMD and Sharp are two of Nintendo's biggest suppliers of parts.
PS4 and Xbox are unaffected because they use older AMD chips and GPUs.
Re: Reaction: Nintendo Shakes Up E3 With No NX and a Focus on Legend of Zelda
@VanillaLake
Actually Phil Spencer has gone on record saying that he doesn't want an Xbox 1.5 and doesn't plan to compete with PS4K anytime soon.
According to NeoGaf developers are unhappy with PS4K and have been giving Sony and earful.
But E3 this year lacks to of the biggest game makers and 3rd parties in the industry EA and Activision.
There has been rumblings of Ubisoft pulling out next year, due to the show being overcrowded and too expensive.
Re: Reaction: Nintendo Shakes Up E3 With No NX and a Focus on Legend of Zelda
@Dizzard
E3 has been losing major support as companies have pulled out.
EA was the latest company to leave E3 because it wasn't a good venue to show their games off anymore.
There are other trade shows Nintendo goes to, like Gamescon (Germany, August), PAX Main (U.S. and in Fall), GDC (U.S. in March), and PAX East in Boston during the April and May.
Nintendo also goes to Penny Arcade, the fighting game tourneys, The Pokemon Championships and a few other non gaming shows.
There is also CES in January where Microsoft takes Xbox and Windows stuff to show off.
E3 like I've said it mainly just for Sony, Microsoft, and Ubisoft to show off their "hardcore" games.
Re: Reaction: Nintendo Shakes Up E3 With No NX and a Focus on Legend of Zelda
@the-madprofessor
You should know better than to stand in the way of gaming reactions.
Re: Reaction: Nintendo Shakes Up E3 With No NX and a Focus on Legend of Zelda
EA and Activision are both skipping E3 this year for their own shows.
Many other 3rd parties are also skipping the show as well.
This year's E3 will as usual consist of Microsoft showing off new AAA Blockbuster games and shooters.
Sony will show more AAA Blockbuster games and shooters all targeted at the Western "hardcore" gamer.
Ubisoft will go crazy with The Division, and any other AAA Blockbuster adventure/AC style games they have.
Bethesda will announce their next game and more Fallout 4 stuff.
And then Nintendo has a huge booth that will show Zelda and something else.
As with the past 10 years, the gaming press will whine about having to cover Nintendo games when they'd rather be at one of other booths and conferences. They will whine about how Nintendo doesn't throw an after party and give them tons of goodies.
The mainstream press will widely report heavily on the games shown while saying that Nintendo shouldn't be there due to them bring family friendly games with bright colors into a show for adult gamers.
Nintendo is better off holding it's own event and going to PAX in full swing. Nintendo is loved at PAX and is the only major gaming company to show most years and gets tons of positive press from it.
I mean Valve, EA, Activision, other smaller 3rd parties, Apple, Samsung, LG, HTC, etc.. all have their own events and get plenty of positive press without needing to go to a crowded shooter fest.
Also Sony does Playstation Events to show off it's non "hardcore" titles as in those that don't appeal to 15-35 Western Male. Sony says they do this to not to drive away that crowd like Nintendo does.
Microsoft does the same and for the Windows products too.
Lastly launching NX in March will put in line with many tech products that launch in March even many Apple products launch in March now.
It also makes it much harder for Sony and Microsoft to adapt to whatever useful thing Nintendo brings to the table.
To repeat E3 is shrinking each year as it has become a massive money pit and it is now just for 15-35 Western males who prefer AAA Blockbuster games and shooters.
You don't bring anything else to E3 or be laughed out Nintendo style.
Re: Reaction: The NX Release in March 2017 and How It Changes the Game
It's evident that most people haven't been following AMD and SHARP.
AMD is behind in their new GPU production.
They are literally almost year behind production.
They are also delayed with their new CPUs as well.
Sharp who provides screens and stuff to Nintendo has been having an output issue as it is literally frozen due to the takeover fight by it's two main competitors.
Foxconn is also have issues with parts too.
I easily think this delay is due to part suppliers having trouble.
This stuff is also effecting other companies as well.
Re: Nintendo NX Will Be Launched Globally in March 2017
@ikki5
You like others seem to forget Nintendo is horribly out of place at E3 with the games they make and show.
The gaming press goes to E3 to play Call of Duty, Ubisoft games, Sony games, Take Two games, Microsoft games and Bethesda games.
The gaming press and attendants tend to avoid Nintendo's massive booths for the others.
So what's the point of Nintendo going to E3, when the gaming press would rather being playing "hardcore" games and shooters at E3 instead of playing Nintendo games?
EA is not at E3 this year as is many other bigger publishers.
Re: Nintendo NX Will Be Launched Globally in March 2017
@Aryx
I read you.
It's no big secret Nintendo ended major support for Wii U over a year ago.
Do you own all the major 1st and 3rd party games on Wii U?
If not then you still have plenty to play and buy.
if you do well then save your money and find something better to do than gaming.
People always complain about the final year of each console (even from Microsoft and Sony) have no games of any sort from any developer.
There are plenty of indie games and lesser 3rd parties still coming to Wii U.
The only thing Nintendo can do now is rush out the NX and it's games or wait until everything is ready to go.
Re: Nintendo NX Will Be Launched Globally in March 2017
Now that I have thought about it PAX is a much better venue for Nintendo to do a blow out of NX information, since the major gaming companies don't bother to show there.
Also PAX user actually like Nintendo and E3 users mostly don't!
Re: Nintendo NX Will Be Launched Globally in March 2017
@Jin15
That's not true.
People spend just as much money now in the U.S. and other countries in Quarter 1 (January - March) as they do in Q4 (October - December).
The last few holiday quarters have been shrinking in spending size while Q1 has increased in spending size.
Nintendo should have March all to themselves, which is also a big spending month in Asia and many parts of Europe.
Hell many companies launch new products in Q1 and Q2 now due to them being less crowded quarters.
Nintendo should actually perform better without having to compete with the Western industry in that quarter.
Re: Nintendo NX Will Be Launched Globally in March 2017
@Aryx
Well do you want them to rush NX out with rushed games and have repeat of the Wii U and GC launches?
Re: Nintendo NX Will Be Launched Globally in March 2017
@SM4SHshorts
Pokemon never gets E3 floor time let alone any real time in a conference.
E3 is literally about AAA blockbusters, M-rated games, Call of Duty and Sports.
Now with EA hold it's own separate event at the same they don't even have most sports.
Re: Nintendo NX Will Be Launched Globally in March 2017
@Aryx
They have a few games scheduled until then.
Including Pokemon Sun and Moon.
Would you rather Nintendo rush NX like they did the Wii U?
E3 attendees will probably laugh Zelda U out of E3 for being too kiddie.
Re: Nintendo NX Will Be Launched Globally in March 2017
@eeyore
They didn't say they wouldn't announce new software.
They said that Zelda would be the only game they'd show off.
I mean they have a huge booth at E3 they have to fill with something.
But to be fair every year for the past 10 years, Nintendo has essentially been laughed out of E3 by the industry for the games it's brought.
More people would rather go to EA's booth and demo the new EA sports than play Nintendo games at E3.
Also EA isn't showing at E3 this year either, instead having their own event.
Re: Nintendo NX Will Be Launched Globally in March 2017
Duh!
AMD GPU and CPU business is slightly behind scheduled.
With everyone complaining that Wii U and 3DS launch games were "rushed", it makes sense to delay to March.
A lot of people were upset with the idea of Nintendo releasing NX this holiday season cutting Wii U short at 4 years.
Also Sharp (one of Nintendo key screen suppliers) is under a massive takeover fight right now.
Nintendo is likely to garner much more attention launching NX in March Globally, than showing it at E3 and launching in Holiday.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Needs to Excite A Mainstream Audience in 2016
@earthboundlink
Actually Traditional style American subsidizes have ended in the U.S., Canada, Mexico and a few other markets that had them.
Now AT&T makes you pay full price or pay huge monthly installments now.
Verizion will subsidize your phone, though you still have decent sized monthly payments (bigger than before), but you must return the phone at the end of the contract.
T-mobile doesn't do contracts, so you have to pay full price but you get a smaller bill than others each month. They do pay fair price for older phones.
Sprint is almost as bad as AT&T and Verizon in monthly fees.
Again all the sales trackers show smartphone sale sdown significantly from 2014 and are showing an even bigger decline for 2016 sales (due to iPhone sales being stagnant so far).
Smartphones are now in decline like PC, Tablet, and other industries.
Smartphone users have been buying less software each passing years, with developers relying on shady methods to earn money.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Needs to Excite A Mainstream Audience in 2016
@Yorumi
They can do that, but it will require something to capture their attention.
Unifying the OS and development environment (including architect) will make development that much more streamlined and simplified.
Though you need to find away to streamline controls to make them user friendly and intuitive.
Valve did a good job with their Steam Controller, but they received a big backlash from the angry "hardcore".
Nintendo find a way to streamline and meld traditional controls with something that is intuitive, easy and user friendly and user personalized. If they can do fully customizable controls then that is a big win for me.
As someone who has gamed for 26 years, dual shock and Xbox controllers are god awful and horrible for most games.
I hate dual analog games with a passion because they are so anti user friendly and horrible cumbersome.
Anyways serving this market, which I believe the plan to will drive "hardcore" gamers away and the Western 3rd parties who need them for sales.
Say good by to EA, Ubisoft, Activision and WBi with their AAA blockbuster games and M-rated titles.
Though to be fair WBi and EA have already left PC/Steam markets.
Ubisoft is winding down PC/Steam support.
Activision doesn't fully support PC players on what little they release.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Needs to Excite A Mainstream Audience in 2016
@GrailUK
Actually it is way beyond 11 year olds and preteens.
Surveys in the Western markets show a large number of adults associate Nintendo with a brand for children and young kids.
Wii and DS were the only Nintendo systems to escape that image and become known as mainstream and female friendly.
Wii U returned to being the kiddie console.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Needs to Excite A Mainstream Audience in 2016
@crimsontadpoles
Actually for almost 10 years now the games that chart in NPD, UK charts, and EU charts have been almost FPSs, GTA, EA Sports, Ubisoft AAA titles and the other AAA Blockbuster.
Occasionally a Nintendo game or niche 3rd party title would chart, but that is rare.
Those people who buy those games don't want to associate with Nintendo games, E rated games, most T rate games or anything that is considered family friendly or female friendly according to NPD, Sony, EEDAR and the rest.
We literally have the market research on it, showing that the "hardcore" wants nothing to do with non "hardcore" stuff and people.
They don't even like going to non gaming places that non-"hardcore" people go to for stuff.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo Needs to Excite A Mainstream Audience in 2016
@Vandy
While that is true, the gaming industry has been ignoring virtually everyone else who isn't into that.
I mean there is nothing on PS4 and/or Xbox One that appeals in any significant way to families, kids, women, nerds, "casuals", or whatever other type of person you can think of these days.
It just has to have the right appeal, content and price ( a $250+ piece of hardware is too much).
If it is true that the "hardcore" really are buying multiple PS4s and Xbox ones, then there is no reason why PS4 can't reach 100M sold off the backs of the "hardcore".
I mean it's believable because the average Xbox 360 owner bought upwards of 3 Xbox 360s before the gen ended and the average PS2 owners were said to own multiple PS2s.
Nintendo can provide an alternative to the gritty and violent "hardcore" gaming as you described.
Though their alternative has to be simple, straightforward, and priced under $250 USD.
The Wii U was too confusing, too pricey and too muddled of a message to appeal to mainstream/casuals/women.
It just had too many bright colors and E — T rated games at launch to be seen as "hardcore".
Nintendo cannot complete against Microsoft and Sony for the "hardcore" who want the games you mentioned because Microsoft and Sony literally lost over $10+ Billion USD last gen competing for them to the point it nearly bankrupted Sony.
PS4 is slightly profitable on hardware margins, but Sony is spending close to $1 Billion USD to get Western 3rd parties to support their system in full capacity.
This alone is more than Sony makes on selling PS4s.
Microsoft is spending almost as much as Sony just to get less 3rd party
When this gen is done, Microsoft alone will have spent will over $1 Billion USD and Sony will have spent over $2 Billion USD for Western support.
But the good news is Smartphone sales for 2015 are negative (as in they sold less phones than in 2014) and 2016 is expected to be the year where Apple sells less iPhones while Android drops even further.
Re: Poll: NX and Mobile Make This a Defining Year for Nintendo - Are You Optimistic?
That's a tricky one for NX
All the Major Western markets want are shooters, GTA games, realistic sports, M-rated games and AAA Blockbuster games.
This is why everything else is bombing on Steam, PS4, Xbox One.
Hell Microsoft and Sony's first party games are now struggling to sell 1M in West outside of Halo 5 and Uncharted.
This is also why PS4 is a raving success on par to outsell PS3 and tie PS1.
Xbox One is doomed because it isn't laser focused on that group.
Wii U was seen as having kiddie and "casual" games like every Nintendo system before it and not giving gamers what they want just like Nintendo has done with every system.
If Nintendo wants to regain gamers in the West, they need to showcase software for NX that is only AAA Blockbuster, realistic sports, shooters and full of blood and gore.
If Nintendo decides to show bright colorful games, Zelda, Pokemon and Mario etc... the media and gamers will decry them as kiddie and "casual" games with NX forever carrying on the tradition of Nintendo hardware bearing the kiddie and "casual" labels (even if it offense certain subtypes of gamers).
Sure Nintendo could make an NX userbase of 10-60M out of handheld and console for people who want T — E rated games in the West.
But it would be very lacking in shooters, GTA games, realistic sports, M-rated games and AAA Blockbuster games due most Western third parties refusing to support it because it lacks a userbase made of gamers.
Gamers in the West don't play games with bright colors, animish charactes, etc... They are very reluctant to buy T — E rated games too.
They also hate playing on systems that have a userbase made up of women, children, nerds, Nintendo fans, parents etc...
This why Sony, EEDAR and NPD shows the PS4 userbase is almost exclusively 15-35 year old Western males, which the industry calls "hardcore" gamers (Yes I hate this term, but we can't avoid it and if you don't fit this group accept what you are instead of going off the deepend).
This userbase mainly plays shooters, GTA games, realistic sports, M-rated games and AAA Blockbuster games.
They seemingly for whatever reason ignore everything else that is released on PS4.
Same thing to a slightly lesser extent on Xbox One, due to slightly more diverse userbase.
Wii U userbase consist of people who aren't "hardcore" gamers and are willing to buy most decent games.
This has lead to indies for the most part doing better, T — E rated game selling better on Wii U than the other systems, and small companies doing better too.
For whatever the reason is "hardcore" gamers don't want anything to do with the rest of the industry to a devastating effect.
They also wanted to be catered to exclusively and will respond negatively if the center of attention deviates from them.
So this means Nintendo has two choices:
1) Make a play for the "hardcore" gamers at the expense of everyone else. Though this means no traditional Nintendo software, no games like Mario, Zelda, DK, Splatoon because they will drive the "hardcore" gamer away like they did on Wii U, Wii, GC, SNES, and NES (Thankfully the "hardcore" don't bother with handhelds and PC for the most part).
2) Make a system that is for everyone aka kids and "casuals" with a diverse software offering and hopes that the "hardcore" gamers and the companies that sell to them don't turn the public against you.
So what are you?
A "hardcore" gamer who is playing those games on their PS4s while constantly insulting and scowling at every one else seeing them as kids and dirty "casuals".
Or everyone aka kids, "casuals", nerds, women etc... as Sony, NPD and EEDAR state. We play all the other games.
Re: Review: Star Fox Zero (Wii U)
@WiltonRoots
I suggest you delete your post before those who are on the attack discover it.
I bet they will be wiling to go as far as taking it to you physically in public.
I fear your safety is in danger.
It's not unheard of or unusually for things of this nature to spill out from this and other gaming sites into the real world.
Re: Review: Star Fox Zero (Wii U)
@Oubie
Then you should be able to find it.
It's out of print in NA and other parts of the world.