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@Klunk23 Wait? What? Three houses literally came out in June. And byleth isn't to sell three houses, it's to sell the dlc to people who had three houses

@Joeynator3000 No. But we will get a pokemon

@BenAV All the characters are basically ads.

@GameOtaku I mean, eventually, maybe. Atlas has been shoeing in joker into everything on the switch. Wouldn't surprise me that he cameos in smt 5 whenever that comes out. Sorta like a Dante in SmT 3 situation

@C-Chakra I think they had a plan to release Botw 2 and a new switch this year, bit then production issues like a flu epidemic messed things up so btow are push back a year. Now, they said a new console won't come out this year. If one is coming out next year, then it probably will be announced this year. Probably before the new consoles

@HardcoreDaBoss That's the main reason a upgraded switch would be great. There probably would only be a couple exclusives to it from Nintendo, but publishers could port basically all of the PS4 and Xbox one library and some select Ps5 and SX games with less than low settings like how it is now with Wolfenstein and Witcher.

@Heavyarms55 I agree. I really can't notice a difference between 1080p and 4k for the franerate hit that goes with it. Id just want the switch to hit 1080p on all games docked and be stable at 30 fps. Not even all first party titles can do that botw (and even three houses. It's easier to name the few that do). That's the point where jaggies for the most part disappear.

@Ventilator I feel you, but only 4 times? Let's say you make 6 dollars and I say I'll give you for times that, now you have 24 dollars. You went from being able to eat off a dollar menu to eating at a cheap restaurant. Exponents are always a significant improvement.

@Heavyarms55 I'd like 1080p in docked to be honest. And a stable 30fps. The switch is pretty hit and miss on just that. Before 4k, just being a stable 1080 would be a significant upgrade

@HalBailman Gameboy color. Literally 4 times as powerful as the of Gameboy and in color.

@SalvorHardin There absolutely will be the Better iterstions in 3 years and maybe even worse, cheaper, versions of at least the Xbox probably before that. What's wrong with having options? That's how laptops, tvs, phones, and toasters work for a reason. If there's a better thing, some people want the better thing. You don't have to buy it

@wren Well, Microsoft is effectively out of the console game. They are alledgely making multiple SKUs of the Xbox that will be iterated on every couple years like the surface lineup. Since every Xbox game is also a Windows game, essentially what you're buying is a cheaper gaming PC. Say there is a Xbox series x at 500 that can run games at 4k 60 with raytracing and Xbox series C at 300 bucks that's about half as good as the SX, a gaming PC that would do either of those things is still double the price. It's a lot like Amazon and the Kindle, TV, and fire. They are charging less for the thing to get people in the ecosystem.

Sony is the only one really doing things the way it's always been done. Nintendo is technically only in the handheld console game now.

I think it's a good thing to have iterations because I do care about the quality of games I play. If a game can be more stable I want that and there is a market for that. It's not a death spiral, they are selling something for a higher premium to a smaller sub-audiance that wants it.

@wren Graphics aren't the only thing that require Bette hardware, there's CPU intensive tasks like rendering more than 3 things on screen and AI and math. Think about why cities skylines runs terribly on the switch. That's why. Pretty pictures isn't the only reason you need good hardware, if you want things to happen in a game, there needs to be a thing to do all the math magic that makes that happen. The new COD may be able to run, but it can't with all the particle effects and which are also part of the game. You chose a case that it really is purely a matter of graphics. Let's look at something else

Take Wolfenstein 2 or doom. Those engines are incredibly well optimized and even then they run at lower than low settings at super low resolutions at unstable framerates. Same with witcher 3. These games run, but you know what is always said about these switch ports? That it is impressive that they work. Not that theyvwork well, not that they are good for being on lesser hardware, that it is an accomplishment that they work at all even if it's substandard.

And that's why it's just not correct to say anything can run on anything exactly without any loss of quality. It's the same reason you don't see Assassin's Creed Odyssey on a playstation 1. Hardware limitations are real and there's a difference between a game running and it running well.

Also, let's reiterate this, the Sims 4 isn't on the switch. It's not a graphical thing, the CPU can't handle it. Graphics aren't the only thing going on here

@wren Wait, no. They aren't possible Games for the base PS4 and Xbox One have always hardly ran on those consoles. Nothing was at a stable franerate or resolution until the upgrades. That's why there were upgrades. Some people care if games run well.

Also, again, every major handheld iteration did have a new processor with noticible performance gains. The lite also has a new iteration on the X1, but that's another thing

@JayJ There is room for the mobile stuff to grow. There is a plateau in full fat hardware right now, though. This is exactly the kind of video that they should do because it highlights the significant moves being made with mobile stuff that has happened in the last 5 years.

@sixrings 4k isn't necessary for a 6-8 inch handheld. It's not really necessary at all, but full HD at even a stable 30 would be a significant improvement.

@wren Nintendo did it first (With handhelds). Every major iteration (and there were several per generation) for their handhelds came with greater hardware to some extent. Best example: The Gameboy Color. Also the New 3ds. And the DSi. The Gameboy SP. The expansion pak for the 64 kinda. The GameCube had expansions as well.

@Pod I forgot about mad world. That was such a good game

Great. It looked 15 dollars fun. I'll totally pick it up in a sale in 6 months

@kenyowa I'd look it up ok YouTube. Platinum is a great developer that have made some good games (and some average licensed ones), but nier and W101 aren't exactly similar. Neir isn't exactly similar to their other games either.

@Moshschocker It's not visuals, hardware also governs stuff like, literally, everything else like AI, how many things can be on screen at once, loading times, draw distance, how big a level or world can be, etc. There seems to be this illusion here that hardware just means higher resolution when honestly it's not that visual fidelity is the reason why Cyber punk wouldn't ne on the switch, but that the lower quality that it would certainly have is because the switch isn't powerful to handle the game and the games engine that was designed for other better hardware.

Microsoft is drifting directly into specialized pcs. I'm not talking about how the XS looks, but of Series X is a model identifier them there could be a model whatever every year or two like there is a new surface book, pro, laptop. Also, with the thing being backwards and forwards compatible and the Ps5 also being backwards compatible is something that hasn't been a thing for 15 years and forwards compatibity just never has been a thing. And again, Sony is trying to get into game streaming being good and Microsoft and game pass is a giant selling point for the thing. If you can directly just buy PC games to play on the Xbox and vice versa that would be a game changer as well. It wouldn't be surprising.

Point is, yeah, the environment is changing

This doesn't mean that there wont be another console that exists at the same time as the switch. If, like the other next gen consoles, backwards compatibloty is a thing then the switch can have 10 year lifespan that is backwards and somewhat forwards compatible while there also is another console that exists at the same time. Forwards compatibloty hasn't been a thing in the console sphere, but Microsoft is experimenting with itm no reason to assume Nintendo is totally against it

Also, consoles or handheld consoles? Those things have a slightly longer support

Kid Icarus? I mean, Uprising felt like it pushed the 3ds hard. He's got to have some other ideas in his weirdly youthful looking head.

@progx I heard Royale was a bit of a let down for what it added compared to Fes and Golden. Fes was also a full priced re-release, but with all the extras, and basically another full game it was totally worth it. Royale apparently has less new content than golden for 20 bucks more

Eh, I played 5 and may get R. I love musou games so I would get this if it was Animal Crossing Warriors

@rjejr Wait, wasn't the point of the article that the islands would somehow be locked to the console and not to the account so you cant make another account to play on a different island on the same switch?

Wait, I have the opposite problem. What if you have two switches and two people who want to share an island? Just use cloud saving no problems? Nintendo kinda ballses the multiple console thing up for a company that sells two different SKUs. Who owns two ps4s or Ones? Almost nobody, but if you do it's just pick up and play no matter what. Nintendo and their hoops, man

@Tyranexx They said there was no new models last year and then three months later they announced the switch lite. And technically the revision would be a new model. New processor, different model number, different model. Thats two against this being completely true.

@SwitchForce Again, you got it. They literally did this a few months ago with the switch lite

So, they said the same thing literally two months before the switch lite. Do with that what you will

@RiasGremory it does not. They said the same thing last year. There is not a revision and the lite.

@nhSnork Oh, I had no thoughts that any switch upgrade would rival the PS5 and SX. More that it could be brought closer to the level of the base ps4 now. Which I heard was the case. And I'm talking more about an interative upgrade rather than a full next gen of the switch. Which is honestly what I really want. The quality of gameplay doesn't bother me about the switch, it's the resolution and framer rate of some of these games that bothers me. If you're expecting a 300 dollar pricetags, of an upgrade like this, I think that is unrealistic, but at a 450-500 price, that seems realistic this year. If it doesn't happen this year, I don't think anything will happen until the next Nintendo thing

@sanderev oh, the thing about it being around the Xbox one S, it would be around the bade PS4. It's not a huge difference, but it does mean every switch game including ports would hit a more stable framerrate and run at full HD. That's a good bump. It really doesn't mean much aside from that, but it also means that more PS4 and One ports can happen which is good and that more things can happen on screen at once which is good. It's the exact reason why Hyrule Warriors ran on the new 3Ds and not the 3DS. It's not a game changing improvement at all, but it's one I definitely want. Again, just because it can happen means it should. And it'll probably be around 400 bucks. There are other reasons iPhones are expensive. Even the Xbox S is a significant improvement over the switch, so that's fine as well. At least that'll give every game a resolution bump. To be honest I was taking more about a switch 2 than a switch pro. With how things are now, it'll just make switch games better, which is what I want.

@sanderev It's not out yet, but reading comprehension man. I didn't say cyberpunk on the switch, I said games on the level of detail of cyberpunk on the switch. The better the hardware is, the better games could be. It's like there were good games on the GameCube, what if Nintendo never made any console after the GameCube and just kept putting out games for the GameCube? Those games could be good, but you can't help but think about what if they just upgraded the hardware? How good would they be then? You'd never have any of the switch games you like, for sure. Same argument can be made with anything. Yes, this car, tv, fridge is fine, but there can be a better one with current technology. Why would you not want the better thing since that better thing can exist?

@sanderev Yes, it runs a Wii u game. That's fine. Use your imagination. What could they do with say hardware that can run Cyberpunk in terms of level of detail and stuff. My argument isn't that there aren't good games, it's that there could be better things that can't exist now that we don't have the concept for because these ideas haven't and can't happen with the current hardware. I'm not talking about porting PS4 games, I'm saying if they have more horsepower they can do more things and make better games. Obviously that's true. There's no reason not to want that.

And it's not a generation behind like thenwii and the PS3 360, it's at a ps3 level when we have a the Ps5 and SX. Again, it's fine for it to be behind, it can't be too far behind. Which it is and doesn't have to be because mobile hardware exist to bring it up to current gen. Why, really I want this answer, why not want a thing that could easily exist that probably will in a year or two?

@sanderev The other one, man. The one they sell as a console. That's the one were talking about. The lite can be underpowered. That's the one that makes sense in the context you describe. The full fat one can't be, because it is sitting next to things that can do stuff on an entirely different level. And the real thing isnt to see games like cyber punk on the switch, it's that if Nintendo had access to the ability to make a game on the scale of detail of cyber punk, what awesome shot could they do? I think that's what everyone here is missing.

@sanderev the problem with that is that the switch isn't a handheld. At least they don't sell it as one, primarily. And again, the switch can be behind the current and even next gen consoles; where it can't be is two generations behind, which is where it is. There's grey area here. The issue isn't that it's not as good as the other consoles, it's that the games for the other consoles are beginning to be on a totally different scale as to what you can find on the switch and that doesn't have to be the case at all.

Which is why I think there might be an announcement soon of an upgrade.

@sword_9mm To he fair, the Ps5 still hasn't been announced

@Menardi I mean, there is an argument that every game maxes out the hardware giving the time and budget, but there doesn't seem to be much more that could have been done with botw than was done hardwarewise. And Witcher 3 runs at 400p with literally dozens of tricks to make it run. It's a miracle and demonstration of Craftsmanship that it runs. That it runs is a statement about the guys that ported it more than to the switch as a machine.

My point was, theres is literally stuff you can put in the switch as it is and have something like the Witcher hit where it is on the PS4 or greater and still maintain the form factor as well as crank up the level of detail and view distance. I can't understand for the life of me why anyone would not want that.

@nhSnork The moving away from console things make sense. It doesn't look like Microsoft even makes gaming consoles anymore, they make gaming PC's with its own ecosystem built in. All signs are pointing to Microsoft treating the Xbox like the surface line and putting out multiple SKUs and pricepoints every couple of years instead of how it has traditionally been done. Literally the only traditional console left is the playstation

@sanderev But hardware does dictate what games you can make. That's not an arguable point. There's only so many ideas you can have within the limitations of a machine before you just need a better machine. It's like everything else technological, it's good enough until it isn't. The switch is hitting a point where it isn't good enough because better hardware exists for it to be upgraded to. Which is why I think it'll get an upgrade soon.

It doesn't need to get to Ps5 levels, that's not really possible for a reasonable pricepoint, but bumping it up to around where the base ps4 is is possible and would make every game on the switch now just straight better while allowing devs to port more things if they want and Nintendo to make games of say the scale of the Witcher 3, which is a game that runs, but not at the level Nintendo shoots for. Which is to say, the Witcher 3 barely runs. Imagine botw 2 having the density of the Witcher 3, that why there needs to be an upgrad. Games are good now, things could be better. Better doesn't invalidate the good, but if something exist that can make something better, that thing should exist as an option

@MrGawain the issue is that those are names. For games to run they need machines to run on and innovative ideas to drive sales. Innovation requires the tools to innovate. If someone comes up with an great idea for a new Zelda or Mario game, the thing we shouldn't want as fans of games is to for the developer to say, "Well, we can't make that idea because our hardware can't run it." Seriously, if you want better games you want better hardware. The switch isn't at a place that's good enough, it's about on par with 15 year old machines. There is a place where the hardware can be behind the curve and still be useful in making games similar to what's on other things and not appearing archaic, the switch is behind that now. It doesn't need a huge bump either, just to about where the base PS4 is, which is possible with modern mobile tech.

I totally agree. The switch doesn't need to be on par with this generation of consoles going into the next one, not the pro and x versions, but it needs to be on the level of the consoles that came out in 2012. The thing people don't seem to understand with the argument that hardware doesn't matter as long as there are good games is that to make good games you need to requisite hardware. Things scale down and basically at this point games are at a sort of plateau in graphical quality and scale. The problem is, the switch is below that plateau mark. It doesn't need an upgrade to 4k to keep up, literally just to where the base PS4 is.

I mean, seriously the thing was maxed out when botw came out; that is as pushed as the console can get. If you ever want more from a game, and that game was heavily limited in terms of what could be represented in onscreen which mostly presented as a lack of NPCs and towns, you want a better machine. Or I guess you want every game to be post apocalyptic

@Edu23XWiiU No, I'm not getting that thing because I have a PC. The switch is good because of the games, I never really claimed otherwise. Personally, I don't care about 4k. My issue is that the quality of games is basically for now capped at around somewhere in between a PS4 and PS4 pro. Not only resolution, but in how big and dense game worlds can be. The issue is botw was a good game, but it was for the most part empty because there had to be a compromise between rendering the game world and rendering the gameworld plus enemies and npc. It's the reason there couldn't be any major towns larger than a few houses. Hell, certainly the reason the game is sort of post apocalyptic is because of hardware limitation as much as anything else.

There's also just basic quality of life things. The Witcher 3 runs on the switch somehow, but not well and definitely below HD. This isn't a argument of me saying I need 4k, when it comes to resolution, I'm arguing for at 720p would be nice, but the tech exist to boost things like Doom and Witcher to 1080p or 900 at 60 fps. And we know that because of the Alienware thing and just other mobile hardware solutions.

Like, 4k is really an extra it's not something I care about at all, but having the game have 5 feet draw distances and resolution scaling is incredibly distracting. My whole issue with this argument against a better switch is that there's no reason not to want this. It's just better and it exist to be made. It's not science fiction or anything weird and it's going to be made, Nintendo is going to make this thing. It may not be this year (though i think it will be) but there will be a better version of this thing. Are you just not going to get tat, the inevitable Switch 2?

@Onion Dq monsters is happening, though. It stars Erik and his sister from DQ 11 as kids

Yeah, I'm just gonna hold out for dragon quest monsters

@sikthvash Oh, botw?

@Krull Weird Funny, the Ps5 weirdly hasn't been announced even though we know it's coming in novmeebr

@Blizzia I'm thinking so too. I played a lot tonight, but byleth looks like a pure punish character. Like you have to wait and bait get anything done. But she's also ungodly strong and has four shield breakers so she has a built in come back thing. I mean, literally, she's so slow and her hitboxes are so weird that basically of you press a button first, you'll get wrecked. But, again, the reason everyone got a bigger shield is because that's literally her thing. If those moves were easier to land she'd be broken as hell. Hell, too many moves kill at like 40% for her to be straight bad, but she's entirely too hard to use because her speed and wonky hitboxes. She's like a more complicated Ganon I guess.