CVG a few weeks back said that although they wouldn't normaly be complimentary about Nintendos chances with the WiiU, they did have a lot information which although they couldn't disclose excactly what at that time could turn the WiiU's fotunes around later this year. It seems CVG has now let slip some at least of that information. E3 for Nintendo may be low key compared to Sony and MS, but I think that it will benifit Nintendo more, as people will be expecting minor announcments but think there's going to be something actually quite big that will take people by suprise and generate a more buzz by being announced in a low key way rather than making a massive fuss on the big stage about it. Time will tell of course. but honestly Nintendo hsvn't been in this industry for so many years when other have came and dissapeared for no reason.
DLC is due for WiiU. 4 new characters in tne next few weeks.. Tbh tho dlc/no dlc.. i figure a game should be credited on its own on disc merit, not by the dlc it can carry. If a game is good, and dlc arrives for the game i'll buy it, If no dlc is released for games I like, then it just means the publisher is getting a bit less of my money which will end up spent elswhere.
When you start calculating costs, Asdas price cut is roughly what the WiiU itself works out at once you take the games also bundled with the console into account offered at dedicated games retailers, especially online. Its just Supermarkets don't often do hardware bundles, and never to the effect of dedicated game retailers. If Asda had kept the prices as standard and just bundled a couple of games with the WiiU then this wouldn't of even made the media. However headlines which falsly indicate the desperate times for WiiU will always provide the most traffic. YES Nintendo are not where they wanted to be, but considering the WiiU overall is roughly on par with 360, in terms of console sales 5 months after launch, and is ahead of the amount of Ps3 units sold in the same time frame Nintendo/WiiU are far from sinking, but headlines showing positive comparisons, pr comments just don't direct enough traffic to websites to be used.
@Peach64 Your right, but EA change of stance regarding WiiU started before WiiU had launched. Take into account that the WiiU sales for the past 5months reaching just under 4mil at last count is around the same as the 360 had and above what the Ps3 had in the first 5 months from thier launch the unit sales argument is void. Yes 360/Ps3 has a larger userbase, thus more sales potential but its taken years to build that userbase. Next years Fifa, Madden etc will be on WiiU no doubt, along with other EA games.
Asda and other Supermarkets do special sales on various entertainment products from time to time, the catch being when the sale stock is gone its back to normal price.
I've picked up some great bargins over the years from these flash sales.
Unless Asda say, its the new price they will be selling the console at then this is no way related to overall sales numbers of the WiiU, but more that it's a promotion to encourage people to buy a WiiU from them, and then make money on games they can sell to people when they buy the console.
But if you in the UK basic bundle from asda, and a 2tb harddrive from Amazon will equate to about £220.
@erv CoD games are very good games but bit like you I think they should be more spaced apart. I tend to buy CoD games 2 or 3 years apart. I had Blops2 on Ps3, and Will get Ghost for WiiU this year so I'm kind of making a exception this year. But then Won't buy next years CoD game.
With Nintendo 'working with 3rd part publishers' as they have repeatedly told us could it be the reason why theres no WiiU announcment now is Nintendo aim to be showing off WiiUs 3rd party games at e3 and have asked activision and maybe other publishers not to announce the wiiU versions of games just yet? Nintendo are going to E3, just not taking to center stage, Nintendo announce thier own games via Nintendo Direct, but using E3, to show the WiiU has gathered more 3rd party support and showing off a number of 3rd party titles, maybe including GTA V could be more benificial as rather than people hearing about a game now, and another one a bit later, and then one more, its probably would make a bigger impact showing numerous 3rd party titles at once.
I think Activision and Ubisoft are the only 2 big publishers to say WiiU is next gen, EA are the ones that started the WiiU not next gen nonsense, and from that the WiiU hate train began its Journey.
About 4 million WiiU, just under at last count so it fair to say if the WiiU users start spending money on 3rd party titles, and Nintendo can teach developers how to unlock the hidden potential of the WiiU's architecture then WiiU will be graced with more support from most publishers.
Its amazing as its getting closer to reveal time for the next xbox, that it seem at least, developers are stepping away from the WiiU not next gen comments, maybe the rumours will be true that the next Xbox will be a lot less powerfull than the Ps4 also, and more akin to the WiiU's specs... or at least be Middle ground between WiiU & Next box... its fair knowledge that Sony themselves only decided on having so much ram at the last minute so to speak, which by all accounts is whats giving the Ps4, the real edge, in terms of 'on paper' specs.
@Koto Just about every Fairytale contians violence, before Disney rewrites them that is. Violent media has been part of culture since man could draw cave paintings.
Rather than put blame on the state the society is in there's always been a scapegoat when it comes to violence or what ever else is socially unexceptable. in the past its been Music & Movies, now its Games, and even further back in time Books were criticized for being a bad influence on society.
I will say for a extreme minority of people there will be cases where they do something in a game and then go and copy it in real life. Its not just games though, this also applies to films, comic books and even books. BUT... The problem isn't the game, film or whatever its the person involved. For someone to watch or play a game then to go out and copy what they've seen means that person had, probably undetected some sort of psychological issue to begin with. Thing is the press automatically blame games for violence these days, in the 80's & 90's it was films, without taking into account other factors like up bringing, thier social enviroment etc. Untill the day I read that someone killed another person while kart racing by throwing a turtle at them I will not accept that gaming is the only influence on one persons actions to another. As I said, the act someone does may be inspired by what was in a game or on a film, but for them to even contemplating repeating what they have seen there has got to be numerous other factors involved.
Next message from Nintendo to Wii should read-
As from <insert date> Wii will no longer be supported by Nintendo and no new releases will be made for the system. This also includes all virtual console and Wiiware releases. The WiiU is the latest console from Nintendo which aswell as having complete compatabilty with excisting Wii accessories, Controllers and games also builds on the Wii to bring vastly superior graphics and unique gameplay features only possible with the WiiU's unique gamepad controller. <insert rundown of WiiU features> As a bonus for current Wii Owners if you register a new WiiU system to the same Club Nintendo account you have registered your Wii console to you will be eligable to recieve 10 free WiiU Virtual Console games or upgrades.
Something like this would explain the differences, explain the WiiU is not a Wii in disguise and offer a incentive for wii owners to stay loyal to Nintendo.
Nintendo would need to do this soon though, well ahead of when ps4/Kinectbox is released.
Ask yourself this.. Would you prefere a console manufacture to block hacked/Modded systems? or Make it so your System has to be always connected online?
A firmware patch is all it takes to make your system that doesn't have to connect online, to have to be connected which then Games can be set to require the system update to work and have the system update embedded into the game code.
@Legromancer WiiU launch hasn't been the best and Nintendo admited they should of done better.
But the biggest problem isn't lack of hardware sales, its the reluctance of the WiiU owners to buy 3rd party games, which is un-doing any steps taken by Nintendo to get more 3rd Party support.
Lack of advertising, launch prep and first party games is down to Nintendo,
Lack of 3rd party support, some of it was due to lost relationships with Wii, some of it is down to the likes EA turning thier back prior to launch as they didn't get want they wanted, Some of it is Nintendo owners not buying 3rd party games that are released on WiiU.
To get more 3rd party support Nintendo need to keep building thier relationships up, whilst at the same time WiiU owners need to buy 3rd party titles.
All is not lost though, and to some degree the media are manipulating things to sound more dire than they actually are. Despite the fanboy claims its still unknown how well the Kinectbox & Ps4 launches will go, and how many games will be available at launch.
They only thing people can know is due to supply manipulation, both the Kinectbox and Ps4 will have headlines saying MS/Sony struggling to keep up with demand. Both Sony and MS and some say Nintendo with the Wii controlled unit supply numbers to artificially create these headlines at the 360/Ps3 launches.
@snax007 If you break tos then regardless of laws about hacking/modding they can block hardware and/or services.
MS and Sony actively do this, either severing connection to xbox live/Psn services and even blocking your system from working.
I understand some people like to mod so they can can do things with the system not the norm, and they don't bother with pirated or modded games, but sadly the number of people who want to mod to save cash on pirate games massivley out number those who mod to get more features.
Given many 3rd Party Devs are claiming lack power and/or lack of hardware sales as false reasons not to develop for WiiU & Given that 3rd parties have a hard time getting thier games to sell on Nintendo Systems anyway. How long do you think it would be for the WiiU to die if it was hacked and people were playing hacked games.. 2 years... tops.
Sega Dreamcast Didn't have massive sales but thats not what killed it or Sega willingness to stay as a console manufacture.. it was the piracy. Games didn't sell at all on Dreamcast, Most 3rd party developers dropped the system knowing there was no way to make any money and then history shows what happened. Game piracy is seen by a lot as harmless thing, but given the cost of game development and how little of the money developers see from game sales.. on top of the current financial climate where numerous development houses have been going bust the past few years Game Piracy is far from Harmless.
Generations and Episode 4 Sonic games have been the best since on the Megadrive. Although going back to roots I hope its another Sonic game like Generations
A game of this Nature would run a lot better on WiiU than Ps3/360 and I'm pretty sure that development would of been started for the WiiU. Wether its still being developed for WiiU or going to be released is another matter, as its pretty apparant too many Nintendo owners only buy Nintendo games, and with under 4mil WiiU units sold thus far would Rockstar consider WiiU viable at the moment? I don't think they would, especially if they are looking at how well other 3rd party titles are (not) selling on WiiU. I would love GTA on WiiU, but can't really see it happening, but with the majority of Nintendo owners having the reluctance to buy 3rd party games I don't blame them, same for a lot of other 3rd party publisher games. If people actually brought 3rd party games the WiiU's Userbase would be considered big enough to publish for.
@Shane904 Modding your system isn't illegal, but T&C of Xbox live, PSN & Nintendo Network have a condition that the user will not use modified hardware. So by using a modded system your in breach of the t&c contract on which you agreed upon signing up.
No matter what the system they will always be hacked, its upto the system makers to ensure updates keep the system hack free. Regular system updates help, also embedding system updates into software, so even if its an illegal copy the system will update. Also games can require a certain system update to work, as is the case on some Vita game.
Thats whats good about consoles these days, there's no way without having an online only system to stop Hackers, but the system makers can ensure its not easy for the hackers to stay up to date with the latest hard or soft mod needed to play pirated games, and the system makers can make it that it's hardly worth modding your system due to regular updates and the need for the latest mods to counter act the updates.
I don't or ever have supported pirated games, developers don't see much of the profit nade from thier games, yet gamers expect them to spend vast amount of money creating great games & game engines that push the boundaries of what we expect to get. I hope that Nintendo have a banning system in place for users caught having a modded system, like MS and Sony do, especially now they have the Network ID system in place.
@PinkSpider ZombiU has only reached a decent number of sales but thats over a long period of time and there being a ZombiU bundle. Injustice, released a week later than ps3/360 very low WiiU sales. NFSMW Yes an older game, but improved textures than on other consolesand additional Content Ac3 Only held back a short time for WiiU launch Deus EX out soon and an old game, but supposedly vastly superior visuals to all other platforms including PC, tweaked gameplay, all dlc properly intergrated.. but again will be hardly brought. Yes whilst some of the above are older titles, there has been significant improvments to other versions, and the rest were released roughly at the same time, very little difference.
The old game reasoning only holds up on a few games as does the inferior reasoning which is decided more by opinions rather than technical fact as others would say these games perform as well on WiiU as on other platforms which yeah I agree shouldn't be the case.
But to say people would buy 3rd party if they wasn't inferior or old releases on other consoles doesn't explain why people havn't brought 3rd party titles like the new Injustice, Upgraded titles like NFSMW, or exclusive titles like ZombiU.
Whilst cloud saves are handy for back-ups, in case of lose of saves, there are too many problems with cloud gaming.
On-live tried and pretty much failed to push this type of gaming. The problem is there are to many limitations set by isp, be it monthly allowences, or usage caps for certain times of the day. Also the variance in network speeds and quality, which can be different town to town, let alone country to country.
Cloud gaming is the way forward in the future, how long in the future will depend on how long it takes isp to stop imposing restrictions and the amout of time it takes for everyone, to get consistantly steady,reliable internet speed with low latency.
Ps4 has all backward compatability via cloud, and I guarantee it will not be as smooth service for most ps4 users as Sony are making it out to be.
Subscription based I hope will be MMO's, love the idea of something Like World of Warcraft but the ease of item/inventry managment, text messaging and map display on the gamepad.
MMO's have been on 360, Ps3, but control schemes have always made MMO's tricky on these consoles compared to playing on PC.
I know sega have been working on a new Phantasy Star MMO and Square have been working on a new Final Fantasy MMO for the past couple of years... be good if one/both appeared on WiiU, with connectivity to PC/other platform players.
@bigskidboy Thats what Nintendo, and some 3rd party devs are saying.. IT IS competitive. Eg- Ps3 on Paper was 1.5 to 2.0x more powerfull than the 360.. but architecture limited it to be on par, or slighly more powerfull than 360. WiiU efficient architecture plays a large part in what the WiiU is capable of, but its a system developets need to learn to make the most of its architecture.
It seems the technical capability of each console will be WiiU will be a little behind the Kinectbox, which in turn will be a little behind the Ps4, making the lack of power excuses some devs use for not releasing games on WiiU redundant, especially since most devs work with scalable game engines. When it comes to the bigger 3rd party support the main issue for the most part is Wii was way to underpowered to be have the big games that graced the 360/Ps3, and as a result 3rd party developers were able to build on thier relationahip with MS/Sony while also being able to build a big franchise fanbase on Ps3/360. Meanwhile Nintendo relationships with 3rd party publishers stagnated and now Nintendo are having a hard time rejuvenating the buisness relationships because 3rd party developers believe that thier main audience will be on Ps4 and Kinectbox.
This problem is compounded by the fact that as much as WiiU owners scream 'we want 3rd party games' on forums and Miiverse and the like, when it comes down to it WiiU owners won't part with thier cash for 3rd party titles.. Look at Injustice, released about the same time as other platforms, bar a week, and still has had low sales. Even if Nintendo can get more publishers onboard, how long will they stay if games wont sell?
As much as I have no interest in MS/Sony as over the years I more & more disliked the direction they are taking with thier systems, hence why I returned to Nintendo with the WiiU, I and a lot people will not be satisfied with only eShop indie games and only Nintendo published games, and unless the WiiU userbase starts showing 3rd party developers support buy buying thier games thats what will happen to WiiU, no matter how hard Nintendo themselves try to get/keep 3rd party developers onboard.
Nintendo, unlike other publishers have always maintained the stance of not releasing a game untill they think its at its best its going to be. Pikman3 is a prime example. Thats why although I wish there were more substantial Nintendo releases for the WiiU at the same time I know that a lot of the reason the titles are not out yet is the games arn't upto the quality Nintendo and us gamers want them to be. I much prefer Nintendo keep tis mindset than follow MS/Sony who put release date windows before game quality.
Obvious bamage limitation PR speak. £40+ for a game you'll complete in just a few hours is a Rip-off. replaying to unlock new stuff should always be classed as extra gameplay, not part of the main gameplay. Stick the the game on eStore around £10-£15max then it's a price thats inline with gameplay length.
Sorry but I won't be paying Retail prices for a 10/12hr game. Fun or Not, All games are made with fun in mind.
Lets be honest estimated length of games determined by developers always fall short for most players So if they are saying 12hrs, in reality most players will have finished it in 6.
Fair enough paying upto £10 of eStore for a short game, you kinda figure that at that price your not going to get a big game, but £40+ for 6hrs..12 at the max thats just a rip-off.
Wonder if it'll be the UPlay edition that ends up on eStore? Unless one lf these editions apear on eStore thats little point in downloading from eStore.
The tourism videos don't make me want to bother, although I like the concept behind them. I would like to see something more exciting though, maybe Theme park attractions, Rollercoater Rides, or even onboard with the Red Arrows Air display team. Maybe then I'd pay a couple of quid, but those Tourism Vids should definatley be free.
Thing is if ghost does come to WiiU, and ir doesn't sell well I doubt any future CoD games will. After the Poor sales of Blops2, it'll be a case of Activision having having one more try on WiiU.
I'm Sure come the full game release Ubi said the challenge app will not be updated with new challenges, but tbh thats good as it may encourage ppl to buy the full game.
Tip.. For anyone getting confused with the various ghost running abbout you can turn them off, Just press Start at the begining of a level.
@NINTENBOY You wont get dreamcast games on VC, Sega are revamping them in HD under a Sega Classic (or something) banner.
Jet Set Radio, was the last one they released to my knowledge. before that un-upgraded with HD they done Sonic Adventure 1/2 (dx as dlc), Crazy Taxy and a few others.
Would like to see Dreamcast games on WiiU, but tbh if they do appear they will be published by sega, maybe upgraded in hd and cost more than what ppl probably would want to pay if they were released on VC.
As for other Non Nintendo Games on WiiU VC, even if they are on Wii VC the licence Nintendo got from the publishers will be for the Wii, Not the WiiU.
Nintendo will have to pay for the rights again to put Non Nintendo published games onto WiiU VC.
Even some Nintendo published games could have assets that they would get licenced to use if a game contains assets Nintendo don't actually own.
Its going to take a bit of time to get WiiU VC on par with Wii. Even titles already on Wii VC need to be converted to WiiU's VC emulation software.
Thing is I would prefer it if Only the biggest Wii VC titles got the WiiU conversion, and Nintendo concentrated on bringing All New titles not yet on Wii VC to WiiU. Reason being If I want a VC game and its only on Wii I can still buy and play it in Wii Mode easy enough... and if by chance one day any Wii VC titles I do own did get the WiiU conversion It would be my choice to pay the upgrade fee or not.
I would like WiiU games to be £10, Estore originals at £5, Vc games to be under £2, going down in price the older the console generation..... I'm being sarcastic by the way.
Yes people want things cheaper than they are, that applys to everything, but to say VC games are over expensive is wrong. VC games are cheaper on the WiiU than they were on Wii, and are cheaper than the carts that are about. Plus on the WiiU you get slight visual improvment, in pal territories 60hz, usually, extra features and you never know maybe a few titles never to make it to pal territory. If anything the upgrade fee should be argued, yes your buying extra features, but the Wii VC titles cost more to begin with.
@PinkSpider what @DESS-M-8 is getting at, you and others are moaning about the price of WiiU VC games, yet a lot of the same people would of brought MH3U on Wiiu, costing twice as much as the Wii Version. These ppl would argue MH3U, has some extras & upgrades over the Wii version, but thats the same as WiiU VC titles compared to those on the Wii and the original cart versions, Except WiiU VC titles are cheaper than they are on Wii, and for the most part are cheaper than the cart versions.
This decision would of been made months ago, probably the end of last year, beginning of this year at the latest. At a time when WiiU sales were good. Its not a caes of stepping down due to failure or competition, or to save money due to losses.
Nintendo have Nintendo Direct to push, sometimes quite big announcment throughout the year, theres no Hardware to unveil, and making several smaller game press events means they can concentrate on getting the right message put out about the strengths of the games and how they will benifite the WiiU and its Users.
I remember Super Mario World, costing me £60 when it was released. Yeh 20 odd years later it still costs £5.49... A local independant game store sells snes carts for upto £12. WiiU VC is good value imo, cheaper than on Wii store, mostly 60hz, plus extra features.
But Maybe its coz I havn't brought into the £1 iOS app, cheaper is better mindset that younger people have brought into.
Been wanting a copy function for save files. It Will come handy to back up game saves in case anything happens to WiiU or my HDD or save file corruption.
@PinkSpider But have you paid 800 points on Wii, for VC games? Check how many points you can buy for £10 on wii store, and check how many points VC titles cost. VC titles work out a bit cheaper on the WiiU, but have extra features.
Suprised VC is coming out on a Saturday, usually content delivery is not done at weekends, its unusual. But maybe there was a problem which pushed things back. Only saying that as EU had eStore maintenance at beginning of the the week and last night.
@gaby_gabito Your about on the money there but would also add, with Curent trends on 360, Ps3 towards Day 1 dlc, and edging towards Micro-transactions, it might also be worth a wait n see approach on both Ps4, Kinectbox to actually see how aggressively this trend is going to be pushed.
Its not the first time Nintendo havn't took to center stage at E3, if memory serves me right Sony and MS have chosen to be lower key in the past... tho not in recent years.
Demo, Game footage, and news that Nintendo put out at e3, will be published by the media, and everyone regardless if they own a Nintendo System or don't will know what Nintendo will be bringing to WiiU and 3DS.
Its simply a case of not needing the big stage to talk games when all it mean would be the games getting totally overshadowed by MS/Sony's Console unveilings and announcments.
@divinelpha yeh the following day after the update. If US get update thur - VC friday If EU get update Fri - VC Saturday, but as usually things liks systems update, eStore updates, VC don't update over the weekend that could push EU VC to Monday.
@divinealpha For EU that maintenance don't start till 1am GMT the 26th. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/netinfo/en_GB/index.html
If thats to implement the system update and VC, the update will roll-out tomorrow with the VC out on Monday unless Nintendo go against the norm and release VC on a Saturday. For EU anyway, maybe The US will just about scrape through to get VC tomorrow and Update later today after maintenance.
eStore has updated here, Just Rayman challenge and Injustice, not even that Panorama View app, but not sure if that was due for release or not tbh. Thought it was though.
Assuming its the same Stateside, but considering it Thursday and its extremely rare for something like VC to be released over the Weekend I'm beginning to think there's been a tech glitch with the System Update.
I would of expected the update to arrive Wednesday, ready for the eStore releases on thursday which would of included WiiU VC titles.
Possibly WiiU VC could be launched Friday, so as not to take anything away from the new eStore content but that would mean the system update hitting today. Considering it now gone 2pm local GMT that seems unlikely.
Expect a Delay announcment shortly imo... Although hope I'm wrong.
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Re: Pachter: Nintendo Made The Right Decision In Skipping E3 This Year
An Almost sensible statement... up unto Nintendo Wont have any games that shine comment.
Nintendo are attending e3, albeit on a much smaller scale, and i'm more than certain that what they do show in terms of games will really shine.
Re: Rumour: Nintendo Planning a 3D Mario Release on Wii U Before October
CVG a few weeks back said that although they wouldn't normaly be complimentary about Nintendos chances with the WiiU, they did have a lot information which although they couldn't disclose excactly what at that time could turn the WiiU's fotunes around later this year.
It seems CVG has now let slip some at least of that information. E3 for Nintendo may be low key compared to Sony and MS, but I think that it will benifit Nintendo more, as people will be expecting minor announcments but think there's going to be something actually quite big that will take people by suprise and generate a more buzz by being announced in a low key way rather than making a massive fuss on the big stage about it.
Time will tell of course. but honestly Nintendo hsvn't been in this industry for so many years when other have came and dissapeared for no reason.
Re: Capcom Announces Two More Wii U Virtual Console Titles In May
Super Ghouls n Ghosts must of been one the the toughest games on Snes...
Looking foward to the cursin n swearing already lol.
Re: Review: Injustice: Gods Among Us (Wii U)
DLC is due for WiiU. 4 new characters in tne next few weeks..
Tbh tho dlc/no dlc.. i figure a game should be credited on its own on disc merit, not by the dlc it can carry.
If a game is good, and dlc arrives for the game i'll buy it, If no dlc is released for games I like, then it just means the publisher is getting a bit less of my money which will end up spent elswhere.
Re: UK Retailer Asda Slashes Basic Wii U Bundle Price To £149
When you start calculating costs, Asdas price cut is roughly what the WiiU itself works out at once you take the games also bundled with the console into account offered at dedicated games retailers, especially online.
Its just Supermarkets don't often do hardware bundles, and never to the effect of dedicated game retailers.
If Asda had kept the prices as standard and just bundled a couple of games with the WiiU then this wouldn't of even made the media.
However headlines which falsly indicate the desperate times for WiiU will always provide the most traffic. YES Nintendo are not where they wanted to be, but considering the WiiU overall is roughly on par with 360, in terms of console sales 5 months after launch, and is ahead of the amount of Ps3 units sold in the same time frame Nintendo/WiiU are far from sinking, but headlines showing positive comparisons, pr comments just don't direct enough traffic to websites to be used.
Re: UK Retailer Asda Slashes Basic Wii U Bundle Price To £149
@ledreppe lol, yeah i did.. my bad, and now fixed
Re: Madden NFL Is Skipping Nintendo Systems For The First Time Since 1991
@Peach64 Your right, but EA change of stance regarding WiiU started before WiiU had launched.
Take into account that the WiiU sales for the past 5months reaching just under 4mil at last count is around the same as the 360 had and above what the Ps3 had in the first 5 months from thier launch the unit sales argument is void. Yes 360/Ps3 has a larger userbase, thus more sales potential but its taken years to build that userbase.
Next years Fifa, Madden etc will be on WiiU no doubt, along with other EA games.
Re: UK Retailer Asda Slashes Basic Wii U Bundle Price To £149
Asda and other Supermarkets do special sales on various entertainment products from time to time, the catch being when the sale stock is gone its back to normal price.
I've picked up some great bargins over the years from these flash sales.
Unless Asda say, its the new price they will be selling the console at then this is no way related to overall sales numbers of the WiiU, but more that it's a promotion to encourage people to buy a WiiU from them, and then make money on games they can sell to people when they buy the console.
But if you in the UK basic bundle from asda, and a 2tb harddrive from Amazon will equate to about £220.
Edit typo- 2gb to 2tb
Re: Activision Reveals Call Of Duty: Ghosts, Doesn't Mention Wii U Version
@erv CoD games are very good games but bit like you I think they should be more spaced apart.
I tend to buy CoD games 2 or 3 years apart.
I had Blops2 on Ps3, and Will get Ghost for WiiU this year so I'm kind of making a exception this year. But then Won't buy next years CoD game.
Re: Activision Reveals Call Of Duty: Ghosts, Doesn't Mention Wii U Version
With Nintendo 'working with 3rd part publishers' as they have repeatedly told us could it be the reason why theres no WiiU announcment now is Nintendo aim to be showing off WiiUs 3rd party games at e3 and have asked activision and maybe other publishers not to announce the wiiU versions of games just yet?
Nintendo are going to E3, just not taking to center stage, Nintendo announce thier own games via Nintendo Direct, but using E3, to show the WiiU has gathered more 3rd party support and showing off a number of 3rd party titles, maybe including GTA V could be more benificial as rather than people hearing about a game now, and another one a bit later, and then one more, its probably would make a bigger impact showing numerous 3rd party titles at once.
Re: Activision Reveals Call Of Duty: Ghosts, Doesn't Mention Wii U Version
I think Activision and Ubisoft are the only 2 big publishers to say WiiU is next gen, EA are the ones that started the WiiU not next gen nonsense, and from that the WiiU hate train began its Journey.
About 4 million WiiU, just under at last count so it fair to say if the WiiU users start spending money on 3rd party titles, and Nintendo can teach developers how to unlock the hidden potential of the WiiU's architecture then WiiU will be graced with more support from most publishers.
Its amazing as its getting closer to reveal time for the next xbox, that it seem at least, developers are stepping away from the WiiU not next gen comments, maybe the rumours will be true that the next Xbox will be a lot less powerfull than the Ps4 also, and more akin to the WiiU's specs... or at least be Middle ground between WiiU & Next box... its fair knowledge that Sony themselves only decided on having so much ram at the last minute so to speak, which by all accounts is whats giving the Ps4, the real edge, in terms of 'on paper' specs.
Re: Mario Kart, Wii Sports And Animal Crossing Named In Violent Games Rundown
@Koto Just about every Fairytale contians violence, before Disney rewrites them that is.
Violent media has been part of culture since man could draw cave paintings.
Rather than put blame on the state the society is in there's always been a scapegoat when it comes to violence or what ever else is socially unexceptable.
in the past its been Music & Movies, now its Games, and even further back in time Books were criticized for being a bad influence on society.
Re: Mario Kart, Wii Sports And Animal Crossing Named In Violent Games Rundown
I will say for a extreme minority of people there will be cases where they do something in a game and then go and copy it in real life.
Its not just games though, this also applies to films, comic books and even books.
BUT...
The problem isn't the game, film or whatever its the person involved. For someone to watch or play a game then to go out and copy what they've seen means that person had, probably undetected some sort of psychological issue to begin with.
Thing is the press automatically blame games for violence these days, in the 80's & 90's it was films, without taking into account other factors like up bringing, thier social enviroment etc.
Untill the day I read that someone killed another person while kart racing by throwing a turtle at them I will not accept that gaming is the only influence on one persons actions to another.
As I said, the act someone does may be inspired by what was in a game or on a film, but for them to even contemplating repeating what they have seen there has got to be numerous other factors involved.
Re: Nintendo Sends Direct Wii U Marketing Message To Wii Owners
Next message from Nintendo to Wii should read-
As from <insert date> Wii will no longer be supported by Nintendo and no new releases will be made for the system. This also includes all virtual console and Wiiware releases. The WiiU is the latest console from Nintendo which aswell as having complete compatabilty with excisting Wii accessories, Controllers and games also builds on the Wii to bring vastly superior graphics and unique gameplay features only possible with the WiiU's unique gamepad controller. <insert rundown of WiiU features> As a bonus for current Wii Owners if you register a new WiiU system to the same Club Nintendo account you have registered your Wii console to you will be eligable to recieve 10 free WiiU Virtual Console games or upgrades.
Something like this would explain the differences, explain the WiiU is not a Wii in disguise and offer a incentive for wii owners to stay loyal to Nintendo.
Nintendo would need to do this soon though, well ahead of when ps4/Kinectbox is released.
Re: Nintendo Issues Statement on Wii U Hacking Attempt
Ask yourself this..
Would you prefere a console manufacture to block hacked/Modded systems? or Make it so your System has to be always connected online?
A firmware patch is all it takes to make your system that doesn't have to connect online, to have to be connected which then Games can be set to require the system update to work and have the system update embedded into the game code.
Re: Nintendo Outlines Developer Support, and a Goal to Address the "Misconception" of Wii U's Capabilities
@Legromancer WiiU launch hasn't been the best and Nintendo admited they should of done better.
But the biggest problem isn't lack of hardware sales, its the reluctance of the WiiU owners to buy 3rd party games, which is un-doing any steps taken by Nintendo to get more 3rd Party support.
Lack of advertising, launch prep and first party games is down to Nintendo,
Lack of 3rd party support, some of it was due to lost relationships with Wii, some of it is down to the likes EA turning thier back prior to launch as they didn't get want they wanted, Some of it is Nintendo owners not buying 3rd party games that are released on WiiU.
To get more 3rd party support Nintendo need to keep building thier relationships up, whilst at the same time WiiU owners need to buy 3rd party titles.
All is not lost though, and to some degree the media are manipulating things to sound more dire than they actually are. Despite the fanboy claims its still unknown how well the Kinectbox & Ps4 launches will go, and how many games will be available at launch.
They only thing people can know is due to supply manipulation, both the Kinectbox and Ps4 will have headlines saying MS/Sony struggling to keep up with demand. Both Sony and MS and some say Nintendo with the Wii controlled unit supply numbers to artificially create these headlines at the 360/Ps3 launches.
Re: Nintendo Issues Statement on Wii U Hacking Attempt
@snax007 If you break tos then regardless of laws about hacking/modding they can block hardware and/or services.
MS and Sony actively do this, either severing connection to xbox live/Psn services and even blocking your system from working.
I understand some people like to mod so they can can do things with the system not the norm, and they don't bother with pirated or modded games, but sadly the number of people who want to mod to save cash on pirate games massivley out number those who mod to get more features.
Re: Nintendo Issues Statement on Wii U Hacking Attempt
Given many 3rd Party Devs are claiming lack power and/or lack of hardware sales as false reasons not to develop for WiiU & Given that 3rd parties have a hard time getting thier games to sell on Nintendo Systems anyway. How long do you think it would be for the WiiU to die if it was hacked and people were playing hacked games.. 2 years... tops.
Sega Dreamcast Didn't have massive sales but thats not what killed it or Sega willingness to stay as a console manufacture.. it was the piracy.
Games didn't sell at all on Dreamcast, Most 3rd party developers dropped the system knowing there was no way to make any money and then history shows what happened.
Game piracy is seen by a lot as harmless thing, but given the cost of game development and how little of the money developers see from game sales.. on top of the current financial climate where numerous development houses have been going bust the past few years Game Piracy is far from Harmless.
Re: Rumour: Next Sonic Game Will Go Back To His Roots, Is Coming To Wii U And 3DS
Generations and Episode 4 Sonic games have been the best since on the Megadrive.
Although going back to roots I hope its another Sonic game like Generations
Re: Rumour: GTA V Has Been Tested On Wii U Dev Kits For Some Time
A game of this Nature would run a lot better on WiiU than Ps3/360 and I'm pretty sure that development would of been started for the WiiU.
Wether its still being developed for WiiU or going to be released is another matter, as its pretty apparant too many Nintendo owners only buy Nintendo games, and with under 4mil WiiU units sold thus far would Rockstar consider WiiU viable at the moment? I don't think they would, especially if they are looking at how well other 3rd party titles are (not) selling on WiiU.
I would love GTA on WiiU, but can't really see it happening, but with the majority of Nintendo owners having the reluctance to buy 3rd party games I don't blame them, same for a lot of other 3rd party publisher games. If people actually brought 3rd party games the WiiU's Userbase would be considered big enough to publish for.
Re: Nintendo Issues Statement on Wii U Hacking Attempt
@Shane904 Modding your system isn't illegal, but T&C of Xbox live, PSN & Nintendo Network have a condition that the user will not use modified hardware.
So by using a modded system your in breach of the t&c contract on which you agreed upon signing up.
Re: Nintendo Issues Statement on Wii U Hacking Attempt
No matter what the system they will always be hacked, its upto the system makers to ensure updates keep the system hack free.
Regular system updates help, also embedding system updates into software, so even if its an illegal copy the system will update.
Also games can require a certain system update to work, as is the case on some Vita game.
Thats whats good about consoles these days, there's no way without having an online only system to stop Hackers, but the system makers can ensure its not easy for the hackers to stay up to date with the latest hard or soft mod needed to play pirated games, and the system makers can make it that it's hardly worth modding your system due to regular updates and the need for the latest mods to counter act the updates.
I don't or ever have supported pirated games, developers don't see much of the profit nade from thier games, yet gamers expect them to spend vast amount of money creating great games & game engines that push the boundaries of what we expect to get.
I hope that Nintendo have a banning system in place for users caught having a modded system, like MS and Sony do, especially now they have the Network ID system in place.
Re: Nintendo Outlines Developer Support, and a Goal to Address the "Misconception" of Wii U's Capabilities
@PinkSpider ZombiU has only reached a decent number of sales but thats over a long period of time and there being a ZombiU bundle.
Injustice, released a week later than ps3/360 very low WiiU sales.
NFSMW Yes an older game, but improved textures than on other consolesand additional Content
Ac3 Only held back a short time for WiiU launch
Deus EX out soon and an old game, but supposedly vastly superior visuals to all other platforms including PC, tweaked gameplay, all dlc properly intergrated.. but again will be hardly brought.
Yes whilst some of the above are older titles, there has been significant improvments to other versions, and the rest were released roughly at the same time, very little difference.
The old game reasoning only holds up on a few games as does the inferior reasoning which is decided more by opinions rather than technical fact as others would say these games perform as well on WiiU as on other platforms which yeah I agree shouldn't be the case.
But to say people would buy 3rd party if they wasn't inferior or old releases on other consoles doesn't explain why people havn't brought 3rd party titles like the new Injustice, Upgraded titles like NFSMW, or exclusive titles like ZombiU.
Re: Satoru Iwata: Nintendo Has No Plans To Adopt Cloud Gaming
Whilst cloud saves are handy for back-ups, in case of lose of saves, there are too many problems with cloud gaming.
On-live tried and pretty much failed to push this type of gaming. The problem is there are to many limitations set by isp, be it monthly allowences, or usage caps for certain times of the day. Also the variance in network speeds and quality, which can be different town to town, let alone country to country.
Cloud gaming is the way forward in the future, how long in the future will depend on how long it takes isp to stop imposing restrictions and the amout of time it takes for everyone, to get consistantly steady,reliable internet speed with low latency.
Ps4 has all backward compatability via cloud, and I guarantee it will not be as smooth service for most ps4 users as Sony are making it out to be.
Re: Nintendo Has Plans to Deliver "New Offers" In Download Stores
Subscription based I hope will be MMO's, love the idea of something Like World of Warcraft but the ease of item/inventry managment, text messaging and map display on the gamepad.
MMO's have been on 360, Ps3, but control schemes have always made MMO's tricky on these consoles compared to playing on PC.
I know sega have been working on a new Phantasy Star MMO and Square have been working on a new Final Fantasy MMO for the past couple of years... be good if one/both appeared on WiiU, with connectivity to PC/other platform players.
Re: Nintendo Outlines Developer Support, and a Goal to Address the "Misconception" of Wii U's Capabilities
@bigskidboy Thats what Nintendo, and some 3rd party devs are saying.. IT IS competitive.
Eg- Ps3 on Paper was 1.5 to 2.0x more powerfull than the 360.. but architecture limited it to be on par, or slighly more powerfull than 360.
WiiU efficient architecture plays a large part in what the WiiU is capable of, but its a system developets need to learn to make the most of its architecture.
Re: Nintendo Outlines Developer Support, and a Goal to Address the "Misconception" of Wii U's Capabilities
It seems the technical capability of each console will be WiiU will be a little behind the Kinectbox, which in turn will be a little behind the Ps4, making the lack of power excuses some devs use for not releasing games on WiiU redundant, especially since most devs work with scalable game engines.
When it comes to the bigger 3rd party support the main issue for the most part is Wii was way to underpowered to be have the big games that graced the 360/Ps3, and as a result 3rd party developers were able to build on thier relationahip with MS/Sony while also being able to build a big franchise fanbase on Ps3/360. Meanwhile Nintendo relationships with 3rd party publishers stagnated and now Nintendo are having a hard time rejuvenating the buisness relationships because 3rd party developers believe that thier main audience will be on Ps4 and Kinectbox.
This problem is compounded by the fact that as much as WiiU owners scream 'we want 3rd party games' on forums and Miiverse and the like, when it comes down to it WiiU owners won't part with thier cash for 3rd party titles.. Look at Injustice, released about the same time as other platforms, bar a week, and still has had low sales. Even if Nintendo can get more publishers onboard, how long will they stay if games wont sell?
As much as I have no interest in MS/Sony as over the years I more & more disliked the direction they are taking with thier systems, hence why I returned to Nintendo with the WiiU, I and a lot people will not be satisfied with only eShop indie games and only Nintendo published games, and unless the WiiU userbase starts showing 3rd party developers support buy buying thier games thats what will happen to WiiU, no matter how hard Nintendo themselves try to get/keep 3rd party developers onboard.
Re: Satoru Iwata: First Party Wii U Game Delays Are to Ensure That They're "Valuable Titles"
@trondood or you could be enjoying, NSMBU, NFSMW, Lego City, Injustice, to name a few titles.. theres really no reason to let the WiiU collect dust.
Re: Satoru Iwata: First Party Wii U Game Delays Are to Ensure That They're "Valuable Titles"
Nintendo, unlike other publishers have always maintained the stance of not releasing a game untill they think its at its best its going to be.
Pikman3 is a prime example.
Thats why although I wish there were more substantial Nintendo releases for the WiiU at the same time I know that a lot of the reason the titles are not out yet is the games arn't upto the quality Nintendo and us gamers want them to be.
I much prefer Nintendo keep tis mindset than follow MS/Sony who put release date windows before game quality.
Re: Platinum's Inaba: Wonderful 101 Is So Much Fun You'll "Wear Out Your GamePad"
Obvious bamage limitation PR speak. £40+ for a game you'll complete in just a few hours is a Rip-off. replaying to unlock new stuff should always be classed as extra gameplay, not part of the main gameplay.
Stick the the game on eStore around £10-£15max then it's a price thats inline with gameplay length.
Re: The Wonderful 101 Is Focused On "Fun" And Not Game Length
Sorry but I won't be paying Retail prices for a 10/12hr game. Fun or Not, All games are made with fun in mind.
Lets be honest estimated length of games determined by developers always fall short for most players So if they are saying 12hrs, in reality most players will have finished it in 6.
Fair enough paying upto £10 of eStore for a short game, you kinda figure that at that price your not going to get a big game, but £40+ for 6hrs..12 at the max thats just a rip-off.
Re: Watch_Dogs Stalking Onto U.S. Wii U Consoles on 19th November, Europe on 21st November
Wonder if it'll be the UPlay edition that ends up on eStore? Unless one lf these editions apear on eStore thats little point in downloading from eStore.
Re: Hands On: Seeing The World in Wii U Panorama View
The tourism videos don't make me want to bother, although I like the concept behind them.
I would like to see something more exciting though, maybe Theme park attractions, Rollercoater Rides, or even onboard with the Red Arrows Air display team.
Maybe then I'd pay a couple of quid, but those Tourism Vids should definatley be free.
Re: Rumour: Call Of Duty: Ghosts Will Be Spooking Wii U This Year
Ganestops Placeholder in-store poster certainly has room for 3 Platforms and the different editions that are released.
http://sickr.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/call_of_duty_display_unit.jpg?w=604&h=805
Thing is if ghost does come to WiiU, and ir doesn't sell well I doubt any future CoD games will. After the Poor sales of Blops2, it'll be a case of Activision having having one more try on WiiU.
Re: Hands On: Getting Competitive in the Rayman Legends Challenges App
I'm Sure come the full game release Ubi said the challenge app will not be updated with new challenges, but tbh thats good as it may encourage ppl to buy the full game.
Tip.. For anyone getting confused with the various ghost running abbout you can turn them off, Just press Start at the begining of a level.
Re: Talking Point: The Importance of the Virtual Console
@NINTENBOY You wont get dreamcast games on VC, Sega are revamping them in HD under a Sega Classic (or something) banner.
Jet Set Radio, was the last one they released to my knowledge. before that un-upgraded with HD they done Sonic Adventure 1/2 (dx as dlc), Crazy Taxy and a few others.
Would like to see Dreamcast games on WiiU, but tbh if they do appear they will be published by sega, maybe upgraded in hd and cost more than what ppl probably would want to pay if they were released on VC.
As for other Non Nintendo Games on WiiU VC, even if they are on Wii VC the licence Nintendo got from the publishers will be for the Wii, Not the WiiU.
Nintendo will have to pay for the rights again to put Non Nintendo published games onto WiiU VC.
Even some Nintendo published games could have assets that they would get licenced to use if a game contains assets Nintendo don't actually own.
Re: Talking Point: The Importance of the Virtual Console
Its going to take a bit of time to get WiiU VC on par with Wii. Even titles already on Wii VC need to be converted to WiiU's VC emulation software.
Thing is I would prefer it if Only the biggest Wii VC titles got the WiiU conversion, and Nintendo concentrated on bringing All New titles not yet on Wii VC to WiiU.
Reason being If I want a VC game and its only on Wii I can still buy and play it in Wii Mode easy enough... and if by chance one day any Wii VC titles I do own did get the WiiU conversion It would be my choice to pay the upgrade fee or not.
Re: Talking Point: The Importance of the Virtual Console
I would like WiiU games to be £10, Estore originals at £5, Vc games to be under £2, going down in price the older the console generation..... I'm being sarcastic by the way.
Yes people want things cheaper than they are, that applys to everything, but to say VC games are over expensive is wrong.
VC games are cheaper on the WiiU than they were on Wii, and are cheaper than the carts that are about. Plus on the WiiU you get slight visual improvment, in pal territories 60hz, usually, extra features and you never know maybe a few titles never to make it to pal territory.
If anything the upgrade fee should be argued, yes your buying extra features, but the Wii VC titles cost more to begin with.
Re: Nintendo Download: 27th April - Virtual Console (Europe)
WiiU VC expensive?
Want to reconsider that opinion?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUPER-MARIO-WORLD-Super-Nintendo-SNES-UK-PAL-Cart-/140962787429?pt=UK_PC_Video_Games_Video_Games_JS&hash=item20d2097065
edit - Original link to full listings wouldn't work, but this seems to be the average price.
Re: Nintendo Download: 27th April - Virtual Console (Europe)
@PinkSpider what @DESS-M-8 is getting at, you and others are moaning about the price of WiiU VC games, yet a lot of the same people would of brought MH3U on Wiiu, costing twice as much as the Wii Version.
These ppl would argue MH3U, has some extras & upgrades over the Wii version, but thats the same as WiiU VC titles compared to those on the Wii and the original cart versions,
Except WiiU VC titles are cheaper than they are on Wii, and for the most part are cheaper than the cart versions.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Changing the Media Game at E3
This decision would of been made months ago, probably the end of last year, beginning of this year at the latest.
At a time when WiiU sales were good.
Its not a caes of stepping down due to failure or competition, or to save money due to losses.
Nintendo have Nintendo Direct to push, sometimes quite big announcment throughout the year, theres no Hardware to unveil, and making several smaller game press events means they can concentrate on getting the right message put out about the strengths of the games and how they will benifite the WiiU and its Users.
Re: Nintendo Download: 27th April - Virtual Console (Europe)
I remember Super Mario World, costing me £60 when it was released.
Yeh 20 odd years later it still costs £5.49... A local independant game store sells snes carts for upto £12.
WiiU VC is good value imo, cheaper than on Wii store, mostly 60hz, plus extra features.
But Maybe its coz I havn't brought into the £1 iOS app, cheaper is better mindset that younger people have brought into.
Re: Wii U System Update Is Now Live
Been wanting a copy function for save files. It Will come handy to back up game saves in case anything happens to WiiU or my HDD or save file corruption.
Re: Nintendo Download: 27th April - Virtual Console (Europe)
@PinkSpider But have you paid 800 points on Wii, for VC games?
Check how many points you can buy for £10 on wii store, and check how many points VC titles cost.
VC titles work out a bit cheaper on the WiiU, but have extra features.
Re: Nintendo Download: 27th April - Virtual Console (Europe)
Suprised VC is coming out on a Saturday, usually content delivery is not done at weekends, its unusual. But maybe there was a problem which pushed things back.
Only saying that as EU had eStore maintenance at beginning of the the week and last night.
Re: Analyst: Nintendo of America "Forgot Marketing 101" For Wii U
@gaby_gabito Your about on the money there but would also add, with Curent trends on 360, Ps3 towards Day 1 dlc, and edging towards Micro-transactions, it might also be worth a wait n see approach on both Ps4, Kinectbox to actually see how aggressively this trend is going to be pushed.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Changing the Media Game at E3
Its not the first time Nintendo havn't took to center stage at E3, if memory serves me right Sony and MS have chosen to be lower key in the past... tho not in recent years.
Demo, Game footage, and news that Nintendo put out at e3, will be published by the media, and everyone regardless if they own a Nintendo System or don't will know what Nintendo will be bringing to WiiU and 3DS.
Its simply a case of not needing the big stage to talk games when all it mean would be the games getting totally overshadowed by MS/Sony's Console unveilings and announcments.
Re: Nintendo Download: 25th April 2013 (North America)
@divinelpha yeh the following day after the update.
If US get update thur - VC friday
If EU get update Fri - VC Saturday, but as usually things liks systems update, eStore updates, VC don't update over the weekend that could push EU VC to Monday.
Re: Nintendo Download: 25th April 2013 (North America)
@divinealpha For EU that maintenance don't start till 1am GMT the 26th.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/netinfo/en_GB/index.html
If thats to implement the system update and VC, the update will roll-out tomorrow with the VC out on Monday unless Nintendo go against the norm and release VC on a Saturday. For EU anyway, maybe The US will just about scrape through to get VC tomorrow and Update later today after maintenance.
eStore has updated here, Just Rayman challenge and Injustice, not even that Panorama View app, but not sure if that was due for release or not tbh. Thought it was though.
Re: Nintendo Download: 25th April 2013 (North America)
Assuming its the same Stateside, but considering it Thursday and its extremely rare for something like VC to be released over the Weekend I'm beginning to think there's been a tech glitch with the System Update.
I would of expected the update to arrive Wednesday, ready for the eStore releases on thursday which would of included WiiU VC titles.
Possibly WiiU VC could be launched Friday, so as not to take anything away from the new eStore content but that would mean the system update hitting today. Considering it now gone 2pm local GMT that seems unlikely.
Expect a Delay announcment shortly imo... Although hope I'm wrong.