The reason why Nintendo fans gets this kind of crap from game devs is that they think there's some huge loyalty to Nintendo that they can exploit. There is a loyalty, but it's mostly focused towards Nintendos own games.
Much like Devil May Cry, they should have never made a second game. Remaking the first one was all they needed to do. To quote Rictus Erectus "it was perfect in every way".
I really hate this thread of overvaluing games that are on the Switch. It happened with that crappy shooter Sine Mora EX too. User score is 4/10, but somehow this reviewer thinks it's 8/10. Yes, we understand that 3rd party games are important on the Switch, but it doesn't mean we have to praise bad games, or overpay for good games, or even be forced to buy the Devil May Cry HD Trilogy as separate games just because we happen to own a Switch.
@Razer Like others have said, it's a matter of price on the console and the games. In most countries, kids has to settle with either a Switch or a PS4, not both.
@Xansies Yes, or they can at least vary the style of simpler art. Nintendo does this well, because Odyssey looks nothing like BotW, but both games stay clear of the demanding semi-photo-realistic style used by most AAA-games.
I know it's completely unreasonable, but one thing I would love to see return is the same game being different games on Sony and Nintendo consoles. Back during the N64 and PS1 era, a game could come to both consoles, but essentially only the broad strokes was carried over, and each game looked and played way different.
Square has sort of done this with FF15 by having a mobile version. Imagine if Rockstar released a GTA or Red Dead game on the Switch, but with an alternate art style. It would never happen because it would cost too much, but just imagine it.
@electrolite77 I never said it needed to be as powerful. I'm saying that it needs to run the same games as the PS5, but at 900p and some effects turned off.
@electrolite77 So we're seriously going to go back to the whole "the Switch is a portable and doesn't compete with home consoles"? The portability of the Switch is a selling argument, a pretty good once, but still just a selling argument.
@link3710 It does. If it becomes the norm that Switch Pro/2 owners don't get the latest big AAA releases, then lots of people will just choose PS5 or the next Xbox.
@electrolite77 No, it hasn't been disproven. The PS4 has sold almost 3 times as many units as the Switch. Now, you can keep bringing up excuses for this all day long, but those are hard numbers that you can't get away from. It doesn't matter if the Switch launched much later, or if it outsold the PS4 in this or that month. What matters is how many consoles are in people's homes.
It does matter, and it does make people stay away from the Switch. The next iteration of the Switch needs to sell the idea that you're not missing out on other games by picking it.
@electrolite77 Everyone will buy the PS5 or next Xbox, get GTA 6 or whatever AAA game they launch with, then 1 year later no one will be able to afford yet another console.
@link3710 That's the thing though, you the create this imagine of people who disagrees with you as irrational. 2K hates the Switch you say, as if they held some sort of irrational hatred that made them act in a way that would lose them money. You've never run a company the size of 2K, so the opinion you hold of them could be entirely wrong.
I think it is. I think they approached the Switch with great caution because it didn't have enough storage or performance, and because, while it did have great sales, it wasn't yet something that is in everyone's home.
The ideal Switch Pro/2 won't happen, because it would be ridiculously expensive, but Nintendo certainly are going to have to get closer to it. For example, storage, an ideal Switch would have 1 tb of storage, but that won't happen since it will make it too expensive. It is however entirely possible to put 256 gb in it, which would make it way more viable.
@SwitchForce It's not about that one game, it's about how that one game is indicative of if a console gets Assassins Creed, Call of Duty, Far Cry, etc.
@link3710 All I hear from you is excuses. GTA6 will be a massively big deal, and if Nintendo doesn't have it, a significant amount of people, young and old, will chose a console that does have it.
It also isn't about having every game on your console, it's about giving the general impression that you're not missing out on big releases if you go with a certain console.
@StevenG Yeah, but you're an adult. Kids from 12-17 who plays Fortnite either has a PS4, an Xbox One, a Switch, or a gaming PC.
Nintendo is also a very rich company that owns some of the most profitable media franchises in the world, so they can afford to take some of the costs to make the next iteration of the Switch better. It is entirely possible for Nintendo to outsell the PS5, because now they have the mobile edge over Sony.
When kids and adults who has less money, are trying to decide which console to get next gen, they could pick the Switch 2/Pro because of it's portability, but only if it actually get the big AAA releases.
@link3710 The PS5 and next Xbox will probably be way more expensive, since they can't be less powerful than the Xbox One X, which will cost a lot. It will probably be even rarer to own multiple consoles. It's also ridiculous that you still, after all this time, parrot the whole "Nintendo isn't really competing with Sony and Microsoft".
They are very much in competition, and if they delay the Switch Pro/Switch 2 to 2021, they'll be in as much trouble as Sony was with the PS3.
@link3710 I'm talking about the console Nintendo will launch simultaneously with the PS5 and next Xbox, that will de facto compete with those consoles.
If they don't launch it at the same time, they're boned. If it can't run GTA6, they're boned. It needs to be able to sell as much as the competitors.
@link3710 I want the next Switch to be able to sell as much as the PS5 and next Xbox. Microsoft will not screw up their launch as badly as they screwed up the Xbox One, and Sony is also bringing their A-game. If the next Xbox and the PS5 end up selling 50 million units each, and the Switch Pro sells 20 million, it will affect Nintendos position in the console market.
@SwitchForce When the PS5 and next Xbox releases, it is likely that GTA 6 will either be a launch game, or release shortly after launch. On the PS5, it might run at 4k 60fps with various effects turned on. Now, if the Switch is to remain relevant, then a Switch Pro needs to be able to run this game at lower settings. Maybe 900p60fps with some effects turned off.
If it just straight up not have GTA6, then it probably won't have the next of any of the biggest AAA releases, and that would make the console not sell as good as it needs to.
No, it's not. What we are waiting for is a Switch Pro using a Xavier chip manufactured in at least 10 nm, if not 7 nm. The PS5 and next Xbox launches soon, and if it can't run next gen games on lower settings, the Switch won't be competitive.
I'm certainly not buying a PS5, and if the Switch Pro can't run GTA 6, then I see no reason to buy that either.
@gaga64 Yeah, I got Metal Slug. I'll get Magician Lord and NAM-1975 when they're 50 % off. It's way to expensive to pay full price for Neo Geo games, even if they were some sort of luxury goods back in the day.
@sanderev What I meant was that if the Gamecube had come standard with a DVD reader, then the games could have been on DVD, which would probably have made the console more successful. The Gamecube got very limited by the smaller amount of data on the discs it used.
@Alpha008 Lots of people have stocks in Nintendo. If the stocks are distributed like this:
Nintendo themselves own 20 % Person A owns 20 % An index fund owns 20 %
Then you would start by attempting to buy as much new stock as you can, let's say you get 20 % (a new stock is basically a loan that you give Nintendo) before they (Nintendo) notices and refuse to sell more. Then you contact Person a and the index fund to buy theirs (usually they know what is going on at this point, and will only sell them above what they are worth). A this point you have 60 % of the shares of Nintendo and can fire anyone you want and hire new people (usually after a hostile takeover the management gets replaced to people who are loyal to the company that does the takeover).
I'm looking forward to paying for my games with shekels. Shekel! Shekel! Shekel! I made you out of clay! I couldn't even pay, because you're made of clay!
As a Switch owner, I'm so grateful for the opportunity to pay the same amount of money for the first game as the entire trilogy on PS4, while also not getting a physical copy and also with a file size almost as big as the trilogy. "Switch tax" is so last year, 2019 is all about getting screwed over.
@graysoncharles Yeah, and that proves my point. The fact that the N64 had save memory in the cartridge was a selling point, while the expansion pack was a detriment. I'm not saying a Switch that lacks detachable joycons won't sell a single unit, I'm saying it will hurt it's sales somewhat, which is not a good idea because the Switch is still in 3rd place in this generation of consoles.
@Balta666 All things are relative of course, but to buy a new console with a game for it, then finding out you have the wrong controller and need to pay €70 more will anger people.
@Balta666 The thing is that a console needs to be "out-of-the-box-ready". People hate having to go back to the store to buy additional accessories to be able to use a console.
It used to even be a selling point of the N64 that you didn't need to go and buy a memory card. If they decide to launch a Switch without joycons that detach, then someone will buy a Switch with Mario Party for their kids, and that someone will be annoyed.
If a revised console doesn't have removable joycons then all games won't work with it. This is a recipe for disaster, since the average consumer don't want to have to figure out if a game works with their exact model of console.
@ReshiramZekrom You are wrong. That part doesn't contain any rom, it just contain the connectors. Also, if someone tries to put it into a Switch, it will probably get stuck.
@Kimite That's just a modern form of indulgence. Get kids hooked on gambling, give some of the money to forest conservation groups to escape your conscious.
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Re: Street Fighter Producer Says Fans Need To "Convince" Nintendo, If They Want More Entries On Switch
The reason why Nintendo fans gets this kind of crap from game devs is that they think there's some huge loyalty to Nintendo that they can exploit. There is a loyalty, but it's mostly focused towards Nintendos own games.
Re: Poll: Vote For The Best Resident Evil Games
Much like Devil May Cry, they should have never made a second game. Remaking the first one was all they needed to do. To quote Rictus Erectus "it was perfect in every way".
Re: Review: A Hat In Time - A Fine 3D Platformer That Was Worth The Wait On Switch
I really hate this thread of overvaluing games that are on the Switch. It happened with that crappy shooter Sine Mora EX too. User score is 4/10, but somehow this reviewer thinks it's 8/10. Yes, we understand that 3rd party games are important on the Switch, but it doesn't mean we have to praise bad games, or overpay for good games, or even be forced to buy the Devil May Cry HD Trilogy as separate games just because we happen to own a Switch.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@Razer Like others have said, it's a matter of price on the console and the games. In most countries, kids has to settle with either a Switch or a PS4, not both.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@Xansies Yes, or they can at least vary the style of simpler art. Nintendo does this well, because Odyssey looks nothing like BotW, but both games stay clear of the demanding semi-photo-realistic style used by most AAA-games.
I know it's completely unreasonable, but one thing I would love to see return is the same game being different games on Sony and Nintendo consoles. Back during the N64 and PS1 era, a game could come to both consoles, but essentially only the broad strokes was carried over, and each game looked and played way different.
Square has sort of done this with FF15 by having a mobile version. Imagine if Rockstar released a GTA or Red Dead game on the Switch, but with an alternate art style. It would never happen because it would cost too much, but just imagine it.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@electrolite77 I never said it needed to be as powerful. I'm saying that it needs to run the same games as the PS5, but at 900p and some effects turned off.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@electrolite77 So we're seriously going to go back to the whole "the Switch is a portable and doesn't compete with home consoles"? The portability of the Switch is a selling argument, a pretty good once, but still just a selling argument.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@link3710 It does. If it becomes the norm that Switch Pro/2 owners don't get the latest big AAA releases, then lots of people will just choose PS5 or the next Xbox.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@electrolite77 No, it hasn't been disproven. The PS4 has sold almost 3 times as many units as the Switch. Now, you can keep bringing up excuses for this all day long, but those are hard numbers that you can't get away from. It doesn't matter if the Switch launched much later, or if it outsold the PS4 in this or that month. What matters is how many consoles are in people's homes.
And you can keep pretending that it doesn't matter if a poster for a new AAA game looks like this: https://www.yugatech.com/news/red-dead-redemption-2-now-available-for-pre-order-at-datablitz/#sthash.uYfyHTBE.dpbs#3XDw70e3cRJL54j9.97
It does matter, and it does make people stay away from the Switch. The next iteration of the Switch needs to sell the idea that you're not missing out on other games by picking it.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@electrolite77 Everyone will buy the PS5 or next Xbox, get GTA 6 or whatever AAA game they launch with, then 1 year later no one will be able to afford yet another console.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@link3710 That's the thing though, you the create this imagine of people who disagrees with you as irrational. 2K hates the Switch you say, as if they held some sort of irrational hatred that made them act in a way that would lose them money. You've never run a company the size of 2K, so the opinion you hold of them could be entirely wrong.
I think it is. I think they approached the Switch with great caution because it didn't have enough storage or performance, and because, while it did have great sales, it wasn't yet something that is in everyone's home.
The ideal Switch Pro/2 won't happen, because it would be ridiculously expensive, but Nintendo certainly are going to have to get closer to it. For example, storage, an ideal Switch would have 1 tb of storage, but that won't happen since it will make it too expensive. It is however entirely possible to put 256 gb in it, which would make it way more viable.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@SwitchForce It's not about that one game, it's about how that one game is indicative of if a console gets Assassins Creed, Call of Duty, Far Cry, etc.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@electrolite77 It's way behind the PS4
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@link3710 All I hear from you is excuses. GTA6 will be a massively big deal, and if Nintendo doesn't have it, a significant amount of people, young and old, will chose a console that does have it.
It also isn't about having every game on your console, it's about giving the general impression that you're not missing out on big releases if you go with a certain console.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@StevenG Yeah, but you're an adult. Kids from 12-17 who plays Fortnite either has a PS4, an Xbox One, a Switch, or a gaming PC.
Nintendo is also a very rich company that owns some of the most profitable media franchises in the world, so they can afford to take some of the costs to make the next iteration of the Switch better. It is entirely possible for Nintendo to outsell the PS5, because now they have the mobile edge over Sony.
When kids and adults who has less money, are trying to decide which console to get next gen, they could pick the Switch 2/Pro because of it's portability, but only if it actually get the big AAA releases.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@link3710 The PS5 and next Xbox will probably be way more expensive, since they can't be less powerful than the Xbox One X, which will cost a lot. It will probably be even rarer to own multiple consoles. It's also ridiculous that you still, after all this time, parrot the whole "Nintendo isn't really competing with Sony and Microsoft".
They are very much in competition, and if they delay the Switch Pro/Switch 2 to 2021, they'll be in as much trouble as Sony was with the PS3.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@link3710 I'm talking about the console Nintendo will launch simultaneously with the PS5 and next Xbox, that will de facto compete with those consoles.
If they don't launch it at the same time, they're boned. If it can't run GTA6, they're boned. It needs to be able to sell as much as the competitors.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@link3710 I want the next Switch to be able to sell as much as the PS5 and next Xbox. Microsoft will not screw up their launch as badly as they screwed up the Xbox One, and Sony is also bringing their A-game. If the next Xbox and the PS5 end up selling 50 million units each, and the Switch Pro sells 20 million, it will affect Nintendos position in the console market.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@link3710 I think you're wrong. Nobody would accept not getting the latest games that everyone is looking forward to.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
@SwitchForce When the PS5 and next Xbox releases, it is likely that GTA 6 will either be a launch game, or release shortly after launch. On the PS5, it might run at 4k 60fps with various effects turned on. Now, if the Switch is to remain relevant, then a Switch Pro needs to be able to run this game at lower settings. Maybe 900p60fps with some effects turned off.
If it just straight up not have GTA6, then it probably won't have the next of any of the biggest AAA releases, and that would make the console not sell as good as it needs to.
Re: Rumour: Nvidia's New Tegra X1+ Chip Could Make Switch Performance "Up To 25% Faster"
No, it's not. What we are waiting for is a Switch Pro using a Xavier chip manufactured in at least 10 nm, if not 7 nm. The PS5 and next Xbox launches soon, and if it can't run next gen games on lower settings, the Switch won't be competitive.
I'm certainly not buying a PS5, and if the Switch Pro can't run GTA 6, then I see no reason to buy that either.
Re: Nintendo Download: 17th October (Europe)
@gaga64 Yeah, I got Metal Slug. I'll get Magician Lord and NAM-1975 when they're 50 % off. It's way to expensive to pay full price for Neo Geo games, even if they were some sort of luxury goods back in the day.
Re: Sonic Will Be A Hidden Playable Character In Super Monkey Ball On Switch
@Krambo42 That's very good to hear. I'm most def getting this. Most def.
Re: Sonic Will Be A Hidden Playable Character In Super Monkey Ball On Switch
@PBandSmelly Probably due to marketing. If he was in ball form all the time, people wouldn't recognize the hog.
Re: Sonic Will Be A Hidden Playable Character In Super Monkey Ball On Switch
Does anyone know if this game can be played without motion controls on the Switch? I really think I will like this game, but I hate motion controls.
Re: Poll: Box Art Brawl #11 - Final Fight
I love that they're smiling on the Japanese cover. Like they're thinking "it's gonna be so much fun stabbing each other".
Re: Feature: Nintendo Hardware Refreshes Through The Ages
@sanderev What I meant was that if the Gamecube had come standard with a DVD reader, then the games could have been on DVD, which would probably have made the console more successful. The Gamecube got very limited by the smaller amount of data on the discs it used.
Re: Feature: Nintendo Hardware Refreshes Through The Ages
The Panasonic Q is what the Gamecube should have been. With a proper DVD reader it would probably have sold more.
Re: Review: The Sinking City - A Solid Port For This Lovecraftian Detective Mystery
I absolutely love the fact that 82 years after ones death, the outrage mob is still after you for things you've said. It's astonishing.
Re: The Physical Version Of Spyro Reignited Trilogy On Switch Will Require A Sizable Download
@sandman89 I'm a professional ass farmer in rural China.
Re: The Physical Version Of Spyro Reignited Trilogy On Switch Will Require A Sizable Download
Not going to buy it then
Re: Poll: How Do You Pronounce These Nintendo-Related Words?
I think Reggie Fisa Mer was great for Nintendo, it's just a shame he farted so much.
Re: NPD Reveals Top Five Best-Selling Zelda Games Of All-Time Within The US
I was certain the number one Zelda game was The Wand of Gamelon.
Re: Poll: Have Your Joy-Con Been Drifting?
I caught my joycon drifting so I took the car key and locked it away.
Re: Nihon Falcom Lacks The Ability To Release More Games On Switch, Says President
@Gzeus88 I never said it didn't. Other Nintendo games do tend to look at least smooth. YS 8 looked very jagged.
Re: Nihon Falcom Lacks The Ability To Release More Games On Switch, Says President
@Galenmereth I liked YS 8, but I agree with you. I'm not super picky about graphics, but it looked very dated.
Re: Despite Switch Lite, Nintendo Game Devs Will Still Utilise Features Of The Original Switch
A more important thing is the fact that the Switch Lite is stuck with the slower clock speed that handheld mode uses.
Re: Nintendo Explains How It Would Combat A Hostile Takeover
@Alpha008 Lots of people have stocks in Nintendo. If the stocks are distributed like this:
Nintendo themselves own 20 %
Person A owns 20 %
An index fund owns 20 %
Then you would start by attempting to buy as much new stock as you can, let's say you get 20 % (a new stock is basically a loan that you give Nintendo) before they (Nintendo) notices and refuse to sell more. Then you contact Person a and the index fund to buy theirs (usually they know what is going on at this point, and will only sell them above what they are worth). A this point you have 60 % of the shares of Nintendo and can fire anyone you want and hire new people (usually after a hostile takeover the management gets replaced to people who are loyal to the company that does the takeover).
Re: Daemon X Machina's Orbital Limited Edition Comes With A Statue, Steelbook And More
These collectors editions would be great if they didn't cost a small fortune.
Re: Nintendo Finally Opens A Second Official Retail Store
I'm looking forward to paying for my games with shekels. Shekel! Shekel! Shekel! I made you out of clay! I couldn't even pay, because you're made of clay!
Re: Review: Devil May Cry - A Stone-Cold Classic That's Trapped In Time
As a Switch owner, I'm so grateful for the opportunity to pay the same amount of money for the first game as the entire trilogy on PS4, while also not getting a physical copy and also with a file size almost as big as the trilogy. "Switch tax" is so last year, 2019 is all about getting screwed over.
Re: Talking Point: The Sound Strategy Behind 2DS Points To A Switch Mini
@graysoncharles Yeah, and that proves my point. The fact that the N64 had save memory in the cartridge was a selling point, while the expansion pack was a detriment. I'm not saying a Switch that lacks detachable joycons won't sell a single unit, I'm saying it will hurt it's sales somewhat, which is not a good idea because the Switch is still in 3rd place in this generation of consoles.
Re: Talking Point: The Sound Strategy Behind 2DS Points To A Switch Mini
@Balta666 All things are relative of course, but to buy a new console with a game for it, then finding out you have the wrong controller and need to pay €70 more will anger people.
Re: Talking Point: The Sound Strategy Behind 2DS Points To A Switch Mini
@Balta666 The thing is that a console needs to be "out-of-the-box-ready". People hate having to go back to the store to buy additional accessories to be able to use a console.
It used to even be a selling point of the N64 that you didn't need to go and buy a memory card. If they decide to launch a Switch without joycons that detach, then someone will buy a Switch with Mario Party for their kids, and that someone will be annoyed.
Re: Talking Point: The Sound Strategy Behind 2DS Points To A Switch Mini
If a revised console doesn't have removable joycons then all games won't work with it. This is a recipe for disaster, since the average consumer don't want to have to figure out if a game works with their exact model of console.
Re: Devil May Cry Unleashes Stylish Hack And Slash Action On The Switch Next Week
Physical copy of the entire HD trilogy with all 3 games on the card. Why even bother this just releasing the first game digitally?
Re: Mario Kart 8 Is Now Five Years Old
And still cost 50-60 euros
Re: Random: Switch Owner Finds Half A Game Card Inside Their Copy Of Civilization VI
@ReshiramZekrom You are wrong. That part doesn't contain any rom, it just contain the connectors. Also, if someone tries to put it into a Switch, it will probably get stuck.
Re: Random: Prince Harry Thinks Fortnite Should Be Banned
@Kimite That's just a modern form of indulgence. Get kids hooked on gambling, give some of the money to forest conservation groups to escape your conscious.
Re: Random: Prince Harry Thinks Fortnite Should Be Banned
The topic should read "A guy named Harry thinks Fortnite should be banned".