The Switch Mini rumours have been coming thick and fast over the last week or two. Despite Nintendo plainly stating that the E3 2019 Nintendo Direct would not feature a new hardware reveal, it was half expected there might be a cheeky announcement. We’ve heard multiple stories from respected outlets for a while now, as well as manufacturers and retailers listing accessories for the as-yet-unannounced hardware revision. It almost feels that the sheer force of the internet is willing this thing into existence, whether Nintendo planned it or not.
But of course it surely has planned for the revision. There’s a 3DS-sized hole in the market that the current Switch isn’t quite filling. As a budget option the 3DS (and 2DS) is still a fabulous device, but any parent knows that only the latest and greatest will do in the playground. Give a six-year-old a choice between a full, mint-in-box NES library or a Switch with Smash Bros. and Fortnite and it’ll be bye-bye retro quicker than you can say "Stadium Events".
The original Switch concept made for a great sales pitch as a ‘household’ device, bringing together an increasingly fragmented family unit with one device. Having become the go-to local co-op machine, Nintendo can now afford to play up the other side of Switch’s dual identity – the portable, solo gaming device (that also interacts with other Switches). In shareholder meetings, it’s been made clear that Nintendo plans to get more than one Switch into households, following the 3DS business model rather than the traditional home console route. Switch, after all, is not a ‘traditional’ home console, and it can take advantage of its hybrid nature in more ways than one, branching out into other rooms of the house.
The imagined smaller dimensions of a Switch Mini may cause some of us to hold our current console and wonder just how much smaller the unit can get before reaching Game Boy Micro levels of cramping discomfort, but the fact is that we still surf ebay in the vain hope of picking up one of those beauties for a decent price, if only as a showpiece. Switch could certainly stand to lose a little weight. The current screen is lovely, and while we’d ultimately prefer it to lose the bezel and grow in size (if not resolution) in a ‘Pro’ model, it could stand to shrink a little for a Mini variant.
The Joy-Con themselves arguably couldn’t be made any smaller and fusing them to the screen is the only practical way to reduce the size of the unit as well as eliminate components and free up space. Nintendo could then remove the railings, wireless gubbins and the separate batteries, incrementally driving down production costs and potentially permitting some of the console’s internal components to spread outwards by a few millimetres. That might not seem like much, but tiny changes can make a big difference. A unified case will provide better structural integrity meaning it’ll be able to withstand a few more bumps than the current version – a must if this is going to be aimed at gamers with smaller hands. Maybe lose the flimsy kickstand, too - we only ever interact with it to get at the micro SD card. Alternatively, replace it with something a little sturdier.
There would be other challenges to overcome. The infamous Joy-Con drift that’s plagued so many of our controllers will need eradicating if the company wants to retain its reputation for producing rock-solid hardware. The Joy-Con are nifty little devices, but they’re pricey and Nintendo has arguably stretched its reputation to breaking point with many users, first with launch model connection problems and later with recurring drifting stick issues. It’s one thing for a break-off accessory to need periodic repair, but consumers will soon get sick of sending their console for repair once a year just to get the sticks replaced.
If Nintendo is planning for a +1 Switch in every household, it probably makes sense to remove the Dock from the box, too. We’d dispute the wisdom of a Switch Mini which you can’t dock – yes, 2DS removed the nominal gimmick of its parent console, but what is a Switch if it can’t ‘switch’ to a TV? It makes more sense to simply sell the dock separately, or perhaps market a new ‘travel’ dock – also compatible with OG Switch – for people who want it. We’ve seen some third-party alternatives and with a focus on portability, a dock to match would be welcome.
Switch has already got the software – pricing is key for a new SKU, and for this to be attractive it’s going to have to hit the £200 / $220 mark. If we look to the 2DS as a comparable update that was also a cheaper, more durable 'downgrade', it's the price point that set it apart from the ‘premium’ alternative. Throw in a selection of bundles including ‘evergreen’ titles (think Smash Bros., Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Super Mario Odyssey), plus the inevitable Pokémon Sword and Shield and Animal Crossing: New Horizons tie-ins, and it would seem like Nintendo has a pretty good holiday season ahead.
We’re still eager for a ‘Pro’ model, but in the meantime a Mini version makes more sense considering the demographic underserved by the current console. The November launch of Pokémon would seem to be an obvious target to get consoles into stores ready for the lucrative Black Friday period, although a September or October release would arguably work just as well – that’s the beauty of an evergreen library. All it takes is a new Special Edition console to get fans excited about ‘new’ hardware. Could I interest you a Triforce encrusted Switch Mini with your copy of Link's Awakening and accompanying amiibo, sir? Why not take two! Sony and Microsoft will presumably be concentrating on bundle deals for existing consoles ahead of new hardware in 2020, so Nintendo could have the ‘shiny new device’ category to itself. The confirmation hasn’t come yet, of course, but all the signs indicate that Switch, in whatever form, will have Holiday 2019 tied up with a bow.
Would you be in the market for a potential Switch Mini? Two docks used to be the height of luxury, but two Switches? A Switch for every room (bagsy not the toilet Switch)! Let us know what a new SKU would need to tempt you below.
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I'd be more interested in upgrading to a Switch Pro / Switch XL, whatever. But maybe in a year or two...
@Tibob Same, I want an upgrade.
I'm all in on the Switch Pro. Switch Mini will be a pass for me.
Make it animal crossing or fire emblem themed and I'm there.
I remember in 1987 when people were flooding the letters section of game magazines wishing for a NES Slim/Jr. It's perfectly normal, isn't it?
I don't want a hardware revision at all, don't want to feel like my original one is inferior. Shrug.
I really wish it wasn’t a Mini. I would rather we got a Switch Pro with upgrades, rather than a downgraded smaller budget Switch that can do less than the base model I already own.
I really don't think nintendo can alienate the millions of current owners by bringing out a device that runs games the original can't although a resolution bump and quicker loading, extra memory etc would obviously be welcomed. Id like a screen that could be played outdoors, id buy that tomorrow. A mini with non detachable joy cons for 200 quid seems more likely for now. As someone who travels abroad with work, I'd bite your hand off for a mobile smaller dock as well
Mini all the way.
A "Switch PRO" is like an "iPad PRO"... Nothing "pro" about it for the people who have an actual home console or a Surface.
Why the Switch killed the 3DS but $350 GPUs and 7 year old Home Consoles (and games on both) still sold like crazy.
People are going to go ga-ga over RayTracing and next gen of VR. Make a MINI+PS5 combo more affordable to that group.
Here we go again.
@Fazermint
I would say it's the other way with this, like others I would much rather see a pro version. But it's a good option for those who just want a handheld and less expnsive
I would give up the current model for a Pro/XL (with extended screen, not larger model) AND a mini (for mobility). But Nintendo only allows you to use one active device, so no interchanging of games like EVERY PREVIOUS Nintendo handheld. 😕
No what points to it is the fact that Nintendo has made a revision of every handheld after the Game Boy Color. Every one of them.
I like the idea, but I won’t be in the market for one any time soon. Not until it’s insanely cheap.
Here’s a possibly compelling reason that I’ve not seen anyone suggest yet: intra-family Pokémon trading. Got 2 kids? Buy one Sword and one Shield and get them trading/battling together. Oh wait? You need a second console for that? How about this here low budget model...?
I promise you, the Switch Mini will be out in time to capitalise on poké-parents.
If the Switch Mini is based on the 2DS model, that means Nintendo will start releasing games that don't have the joy-cons in mind at all, the same way the 2DS became the model for which Nintendo made games and forgot about 3D.
And people won't complain much, even say things like "who dettachs joy-cons anyway?". Just like what happened to the 3DS unique approach.
I’d definitely buy it for my Son!!! I’m happy with my Nintendo Switch; in fact, I waited in Line for 5 hours to buy my Nintendo Switch!!!
Great article. As much as some will complain on here, a Mini is entirely the way to go.
The fused joycons won’t be an issue either, people can buy more. It isn’t like the 3DS where you needed multiple Consoles for local multiplayer.
The site who cried Switch Mini
My Switch is a total lemon: multiple store exchanges, sent it to Nintendo for repair before I could even finish my first game, then they sent me a refurbished Switch with problems and told me to send it back again.... I didn’t send it back, I’ve lived with it’s issues because I just knew that they’d do a revision in time. So these rumors are mighty welcome. And if they can get the Switch closer to a Vita in size and weight (the Vita to me is the perfect sized handheld) that’d be a dream!
Switch Mini? Switch Pro? Where's the NX?
I agree and i really don't get why some are against it. Like the 2DS not being for people who already own a 3DS Switch mini won't be for someone who owns a Switch unless they are getting it for their spouse or kid. Even if you can't put joycon on it it will likely still be compatible and even if there is no dock included there can still be some way to connect to the tv.
@NinChocolate
Don't get your hopes up. These rumours have been going around for at least a year with a monthly (or weekly?) article about it.
The Switch could even do 3DS ports!
Some people can’t envision it (and that’s okay), but once they see a 2nd generation Switch, I just know many people will realize just how first generation the current Switch is.
The current Switch doesn’t have that New Nintendo 3DS polish to it. I’m confident a Switch mini will have it though as Nintendo are masters of handheld refinement.
If you ever saw a chart of Nintendo’s handhelds, you’d know they are just itching for a Switch variant or two at the very least.
@infernogott I appreciate the caution, but I’m not relying on the rumors, I’ve had a gut feeling that Nintendo will improve the Switch because there are/were too many widespread issues with it for them to not take pride in doing so. I just expect more from them with this hardware having been there since the very beginning with game boy.
I wonder why not a Console only mode instead?
Ditch the screen, battery, dock, joycons, etc... And the price could get really, really low.
You will grab a total new market of households that don't have a current gen console. The competition would be inexistent at that price.
I want Pearl White color Nintendo Switch.
So a switch that you can't plug into a tv without buying an extra dock and an extra set of joy-cons.
Nintendo may well do this, since they're mad geniuses. But as a consumer it sounds like the opposite of the economical option to me.
It would super cute to have a Switch mini that still had detachable joy cons. Tiny little joycons!
Also, I absolutely don't want a higher resolution screen on a switch Pro. PS4 and Xbox 1 can't even handle 1080p, so there's no way whatever increase in power the pro model has would be able run all games at 60fps. I'd rather have a Switch Pro that has a 600p screen. Then they'd have to patch old games to run at 60fps in handheld mode! That would be an awesome improvement for Switch. I also think an oled screen would be amazing. I just compared my oled Vita's screen to my Switch's screen using Downwell, which I have on both. I've always thought the Switch looks great and never thought to criticize the screen at all, but the oled looks amazing in comparison. Switch doesn't NEED an oled screen, but it would be astonishing. I bet new oled screens are even better than the old Vita oled.
I'd buy both a pro for in the house and maybe a cheaper mini for travelling, I hate travelling with my switch even with cloud back up I always worry about damaging the console I use on my TV. Gah, as it is I'm waiting for a handheld announcement from retropi or one of the other manufacturers for today's biggest manufacture hardware announcement the pi4!
@Zequio that’s a good idea. Would be like the Vita TV thing Sony released a few years ago... would be a good option in addition to any handheld revisions they make.
@WebHead the Switch mini would only be for families who already have a normal Switch. Those are the people who already have a dock and joycons, the people for whom this would actually work out any cheaper at all than just buying a (second) normal Switch.
Why I bought a 2ds was because it was dirt cheap. The cheapest way to make a switch is for nintendo to make a apple TV type box. No screen. No cart slot. No need for a dock. but everyone apparently wants portable so here comes the switch mini.
Not interested in a smaller version of the Switch.
We have a perfectly good portable handheld device, the 3d/2ds. This could be re-designed with a bigger screen without adding to the dimensions. And a Switch card slot added. The second screen would not be needed. It would play Switch games, and that is what Nintendo wants.
The downside to any new handheld taking Switch cards is the price of the game. The Switch game price is to high just to play on a small console.
The original Switch was designed as a home console that could also be played on the go. So the home console game price is acceptable.
Not every one in the market for a Switch mini would own a Switch and a £49 / $60 game price is to high. They would be paying the price for a home console game and only ever use it on a small Switch.
Shut up about the Switch Mini already, maybe it'll happen and maybe it won't, but stop trying to take every little thing as UNDENIABLE PROOF that the Switch Mini is coming.
Not interested in a mini to be honest, but I can see why there is a market for that.
My wifey whould love it though, she travels a lot and dont likes the size of the original switch.
Me personally want a pro model make it even xxl large, oled screen and a stable 60fps with 1080p and im verry happy, but thats not gonna happen lol
The majority of people here who are commenting “I don’t care about the Switch Mini, give me Switch Pro!” are forgetting that we are NOT the target audience for the Switch Mini.
The Switch Mini is going to target two major groups: those who were satisfied by the 3DS and have a smaller budget when it comes to gaming, and those who would like a secondary console to their PS/Xbox/PC but can’t justify spending $300 for just a secondary console. Switch Mini will target both of those groups with huge success. If Nintendo really wants 100 million Switch units sold and a Switch for each person, they are going to have to make a cheaper model — whether it’s a Switch Mini and even a small black box Switch Home — to make that happen. And that’s a win for everyone — more people buying means more developer support which means more games for everyone.
TLDR; While the Switch Mini won’t be for the majority of people who visit this site, it will target price-conscious people which would help expand the number of people who have the console and result in getting more games to the system — a win for everyone.
@N64-ROX yeah why not just sell the switch without the dock and cut the price by 100. That's easier than making a mini. Then when the person wants a dock you sell the one you already make.
Maybe they’ll get it out for £150 and go with a really small screen, like the 4.8” of an IPhone 6 sort of size? That would be crazy adorable. £200 and you’re getting into iPod touch territory and software be damned, there is an excellent range of software for iOS devices. One could legitimately use one as their main and only gaming device and not lose anything.
Maybe for kids, but the joy-cons are already too small for adult hands.
Not believing in any switch mini. It amounts to ruining 3 years of marketing as a "home you can carry" machine, break compatibility with the large range of joycons and the worst, the dock.
True, but the 2DS also happened, which ruined the 3DS marketing
If a revised console doesn't have removable joycons then all games won't work with it. This is a recipe for disaster, since the average consumer don't want to have to figure out if a game works with their exact model of console.
With how crappy the joy cons are I really wouldn't want this. I'm on my third pair of joycons in the 18 or 19 months I've owned the system. That means I'd be on my third repair of one of these guys. The kicker is that I hardly play anything so I really dont know how these things keep messing up. It's just the thubsticks but it's still annoying to have to keep getting new ones. They aren't cheap either.
@shadow-wolf finally someone who gets it. Its not meant for people who are trying to replace their current switch with a new one. Its for kids, families and low budget gamers.
If it was a apple TV type box at a super cheap price I don't even think I'd argue about the resolution and frame rates any more. But when the system is priced at the same cost as a ps4 it's going to get comparisons.
I do not see an issues with a portable only switch device but it should not be loads cheaper than the original save for the costs of the joycon and no TV/docked mode in order to not undermine the selling point of the main system. or maybe the whole system can act as a single joycon but idk how many games NEED the joy con specific features to function.
@N64-ROX Disagree, Switch Mini would also be for those who don't care about the docking functionality.
I get it, Nintendolife never wanted a Nintendo Switch. They never wanted a hybrid console, but just a plain, old handheld.👍 Basically just a better Gameboy Advance.
@Agramonte
Surface is a crappy tablet and a mediocre laptop.😆
Funnily enough I would absolutely be the audience for a smaller Switch, lower pricepoint would mean justification for a second system. The Joy-Con always toe the line of being too foolish/fiddily and I'm surprised they are even a selling point. Would be alright to see them go in favor of a more robust design (slightly reduced form factor). The dock has also been janky af and would be the easiest price reduction. A big as cable might still be the most efficient way to proffer a TV connection, provided they include some easy to break magnetic connector for those prone to happen accidents.
@electrolite77
Why even bother with local multiplayer? I mean, no one want's to play on a TV, so why should any developer integrate local multiplayer on one device/screen anymore?
@Tibob Nah a larger Switch just seems like it would be a ridiculous product. Maybe if we got a "pro" revision with more powerful hardware that could be desirable but the whole concept of a mini Switch sounds a lot more appealing for the time being. The Switch could use a smaller and more portable version as the Switch is already a rather large device when it comes to handhelds.
I wouldn’t own a Mini and base simply because not everything is cloud save.
The Switch is slightly slower than the $199 iPod Touch. If even Apple makes ENOUGH money at $199 I'm sure Nintendo can.
@Grumblevolcano
And people who care about the hybrid nature and other features of the Switch would be left behind, because developers would sooner or later only cater to the cheapest crowd with not more features in their games than necessary.
@JayJ Depends if you're taking it outside or just playing at home.
@Tibob Yeah that is why I think a Switch pro would work as an upgraded model, maybe make the screen a little bigger if they do that, it would work as a high-end offering for people who want max performance and the best handheld display possible if they aren't traveling with it much. The thing is I think a concept like that is better off as a later revision, by then we should be able to get a more worthwhile upgrade at a better price. For the time being downsizing with a mini Switch seems like the better idea, it will fill a niche for people who want a very portable handheld and we don't have to worry about any upgrades.
The switch mini doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. New Pokémon games are coming and parents probably aren’t going to buy a $300 handheld for each of their kids. Curious why it wasn’t mentioned at E3 though. There’s arguments for and against to be sure.
This whole article rings out like a persuasive piece about how a Switch Mini would be a good idea...
I am scratching my head trying to figure out who it is who said "No! I don't want a Switch mini ever! Never ever!"
I know there are people who aren't too interested in one but they aren't the people who this would be for anyway.
This feels like telling crowd of people that drinking water is good for survival. Like, is there really anyone who strongly disagrees with that?
As the die hard Switch fan that I am, I more want a Switch Pro, a more expensive model with more storage, better battery, larger screen (just ditch those bevels!) and that screen being brighter and 1080p. And louder speakers and Bluetooth support for headphones.
But a Switch mini makes sense to ultimately replace the aging 3DS as the entry level product for kids.
@ItalianBaptist Lol, you say that, but then I see 8 year old kids in the store walking around with 700 dollar iPhones alongside their parents with their own phones also out. There are plenty of parents willing to buy whatever for their kids these days.
@JayJ Do you mean... "maybe in a year or two" ?
i am not really interested in a mini, but i do know a few people that would be willing to buy a second switch if it were cheaper and dockable.
@MrBlacky Surface lets you use Creative Cloud, Press Cloud Management and Active Digitizer on CAD, Illustrator and ARTRage.... and can actually recognize a WACOM. But people think "Pro" = Watch youtube and muck around with Google Doc ... You just made my point 😂
Also no tablet is a "good laptop"... completely different tool.
The games still cost $80 a piece. That's a non-starter for a "budget" system.
@Tibob Yeah I am sure in a couple years that would be perfect timing.
It needs to be backwards compatible with original switch docks. For charging and tv play
Yes, I need the Mini. Not the Pro.
I swear they use this Switch revision theme just to meet their quota for new articles. But I REALLY hope Nintendo doesn't actually release this stupid thing. If they make a Mini with fused controllers, it will probably spell the end of games being designed to use joy cons as detached controllers and taking advantage of motion controls. Just like developer's ignore the touchscreen because people playing it in docked mode won't be able to reach it. So if a good percentage of Switch owners don't have joy cons, get ready to see their functionality totally go away too.
@Agramonte
Saying the Switch Pro is pointless because the PS5/Xbox Scarlett are coming is like saying the Gameboy Color, DSil and New 3DS were pointless because of the existence of the Game Gear, PSP and PS Vita.
Ultimately, Nintendo is the only company that is offering a hybrid system (that doesn't require streaming to work lol), so a Switch Pro has its place.
@Euler
Switch software is selling 2X faster than 3DS software, so I don't think software pricing is an issue at all.
Yup, if the mini is indeed real then it's purpose will more likely than not be to cater to the more budget friendly demographic and kids. Parents won't want to shell out $300+ dollars for a Switch and Pokemon this holiday season for their kid. But maybe a $200 option could sway them. Pokemon, and even other games such as Luigi's Mansion 3 and Animal Crossing will bring in a lot of casual players and younglings alike that want cheaper entry points. Nintendo whipped out the 2DS in time for X/Y, and I imagine they will do the same with a Switch mini for Sword/Shield.
If they make it small enough I’d be interested in a model that I could always keep with me. Slightly smaller, not so much.
these rumors needs to stop cause nintendo alrdy made it clear theres no new models coming.
What if Nintendo Switch Mini with Dolby sound systems ?
how dare you call my beautiful and precious 3DS Link Between Worlds a whack job! It's the most lovely of things and the only themed console I've ever bought
This having built in controls but not a real dpad would be the funniest thing they’ve ever done, like them refusing to admit it’s a problem. They’ve had plenty of time to put out a dpad joycon, that would fit with the modular design of Switch but instead they do nothing.
@westman98 The main argument the Switch Mini people make is that it would expand the market for the Switch, particularly to younger gamers that are more price-sensitive. If Switch games (the main source of profit, not the machine itself) are already selling well, then that kind of defeats the purpose. Evidently there aren't that many budget-conscious players this would appeal to.
@Euler
The purpose of the Switch Mini is to increase the Switch's overall install base to increase the potential for more software purchases.
It's not like all Switch games are full-priced games. There is a plethora of indie content on the Switch (which was very much lacking on the 3DS/Wii U), as well as plenty of eShop sales throughout the year.
I'm interested, I want to buy animal crossing for my girlfriend, so a cheaper switch is a welcome prospect for me, once shes done she probably wont touch it so then I will have a spare switch to take on tougher trips ie concerts (between sets not while bands play) and hiking. Then, when the pro model comes out I can buy that too and mortgage my soul to Nintendo. I dont know how it could get any better than a more powerful switch that could play games at the level of ps4 and ps5 next gen. Like you guys it's only a matter of time now think about it, we may have peaked here. It would be more concerning were it not so gosh darn wonderful.
To add context, I didn't play any games on the ps3/xbox360 era of consoles. I only had handhelds growing up, so every time a port is announced for switch, it's a new game to me. It's been a wild 2 years haha
All these yes/no opinions....
Smaller does not equal cheaper.
That why I do not think that we see a Mini Switch.
There is no marked for a smaller Switch with less function that a current Switch.
Now taking a current Switch and making it smaller would not only be determined by the controllers and the screen.
But also the motherboard and the battery.
You also have to think about the cost of running a new production line for a Mini Switch.
Having smaller hardware that differs from a Switch or Switch Pro would mane that you are dedicating money to parts and production that cannot be used on another production line.
I think it would be far easier for Nintendo to make a more "Classic" console for the cheap end of the marked.
In short a Switch or Switch Pro motherboard in a shell.
The cost of buying it would be cheaper because you are not paying for the screen and battery, but you lose the ability to game on the move.
Still a cheap "Classic" console model would be a good buy if you just and that 2nd console for home use only
A £200 Mini would be much better to a wider audience than a £350 Pro
@MrBlacky
Because some people like it? Just because a particular hardware iteration doesn’t include the Controllers to play local multiplayer doesn’t mean they should ditch it all together. That makes no sense whatsoever.
@Euler
That logic doesn’t make sense at all. You use the word ‘evidently’ when there is no evidence for what you’re saying. There is lots of room for widening the market and selling more games.
”for this to be attractive it’s going to have to hit the £200 / $220 mark”
I bet it’s going to go for $259.99 with a bundled game.
@Agriculture there are no games that require you to remove the joy cons to play it (or maybe mario party is the only one) and even is you cannot detach them that does not mean you cannot use original joy cons with it anyway.
Switch mini is not for me but I can see being an interesting product for many. The way I see it the switch is very portable already if you pack the tablet separately from the cons. I don't see the mini as pocket friendly anyway... About a pro I will wait and see and if it brings a relevant change I may upgrade from the current one
@Slitth I would you buy a traditional console for cheap with Switch hardware if you could buy a PS4 for the same price and bigger library...
@Balta666 : That is incorrect. There are quite a few games that cannot be played in handheld mode. I cannot provide an exhaustive list due to the sheer volume of games available, but Super Mario Party is one, Fun! Fun! Animal Park is another, there's Fitness Boxing, the Just Dance games obviously can't be played without detached Joy-Con, however, menus can be accessed and videos can be watched in handheld mode. The Let's Sing games also need to be docked as they require a USB microphone, though perhaps an app can be used, therefore allowing handheld/tabletop support as well (I don't have the game to check).
Retail games will specify on the back of the packaging whether the games are compatible with the various configurations (docked, tabletop, and handheld mode), and that will provide the clearest indication as to whether the game must be played with detached Joy-Con. Unfortunately the eShop isn't quite so clear in this regard.
Presumably all the games that require detachable joycons will be patched? Super Mario Party has been mentioned. Pretty sure Death Squared also requires them if memory serves.
@Yas : That won't happen. Ubisoft isn't going to patch their Just Dance games so that people will be swinging their $300 consoles around, and for motion-heavy games, such as Fitness Boxing and Super Mario Party, it just wouldn't be possible without completely overhauling the gameplay. Plus it is neither feasible nor reasonable to force developers to suddenly have to modify all of their games to accommodate handheld mode.
The notion of a Switch mini wouldn't prevent one from buying a separate set of Joy-Con and playing such games in tabletop mode, but having non-detachable Joy-Con would only serve to anger customers who haven't done their research prior to buying non-handheld games, and Nintendo would want to minimise the possibility of such confusion from occurring. Consumers were confused enough with the Wii U, 2DS, and the New 3DS lines. It could very well be that a hypothetical Switch mini will have smaller Joy-Con to match, while accommodating existing Joy-Con in tabletop mode.
A Pro of some description would be the preference for me too.. but I'm not sure the technology exists atm at least as far as a more powerful Tegra X1 is concerned, (I'm sure all the devs wouldn't mind higher clocks & more ram either) perhaps there's a different, powerful, viable soc out there that could be used? a larger/better battery and a design revision for the Joycon's too whilst you're at it please Nintendo.
A bit random I know but, anyone think it's possible we'll ever see a powered dock anytime potentially? (more cpu/gpu grunt etc)
@Miseryguts we have the technology:)) https://i.redd.it/l3wonh07mupy.jpg
At this point I want to get the hardware revisions simply to not see a new rumour about them every week.
The original 3DS NEVER required the 3D aspect ingame. EVERY single 3DS game can be played in 2D.
This is NOT the case for the Switch. There are MULTIPLE FIRST PARTY games THAT REQUIRE the Switching mechanic (handheld mode (LABO), removable joycon (LABO, MarioParty, etc).)
The only comparison I could make is with the Wii Mini. Which was launched AFTER the successor (Wii U) was launched. And didn't have Component video, Online (in any form) or GameCube playback. And even that console could play ALL Wii games. This Switch Mini wouldn't be able to play some games. Or would require the purchase of additional controllers.
I do, however, see a Switch Pro happening. But not before holidays of 2020. The Switch Pro should have the exact same form factor as the current Switch with maybe improved JoyCon and ofcourse a better CPU / GPU / battery. It would still fit in a normal dock, or a LABO kit and you could still play tabletop with shareable JoyCon. It would still be a Switch. And should be able to do all games in 1080p30 or 60 docked and 720p30 or 60 handheld. Without compromises. 4K would not be happening, since even the PS4 Pro can barely handle it. (99% of PS4 Pro games are upscaled checkerboards)
A Switch Mini (without dock, removable JoyCon) is not a Switch. It's a PSVita.
@Balta666 The thing is that a console needs to be "out-of-the-box-ready". People hate having to go back to the store to buy additional accessories to be able to use a console.
It used to even be a selling point of the N64 that you didn't need to go and buy a memory card. If they decide to launch a Switch without joycons that detach, then someone will buy a Switch with Mario Party for their kids, and that someone will be annoyed.
I suppose Nintendo will surely release a Switch Mini and a Pro model. I can expect the Mini to be released this November along with the new Pokemon games, while the Pro will launch next year to have a better Switch on the market at the time PS5 comes out.
I think the Mini will cost no more than 199$, it will obviously be cheaper because several components are removed as the Joy-cons are fused with the console: so, 1x ir-camera, the 2x motion sensors and the 2x HD-rumble (so a single motion sensor and an HD-rumble embedded with the main console body). All games will be compatible with this model, except when playing in tabletop and docked modes that will require additional Joy-cons or a Gamepad pro.
IMO the Pro model will only have a better hardware (with more ram, higher CPU frequencies and a revised Tegra X1 or X2) for boosting games performance towards 60fps and 1080p res, and a better screen of course! It could also include a 4g/5g module to play online on the go, bluetooth voice chat directly on the console and a smoother eShop experience.
@sanderev "A Switch Mini (without dock, removable JoyCon) is not a Switch. It's a PSVita."
Not really. The Switch aspect is the ability the play either on the move or on the TV. A theoretical Switch Mini could have non-removable Joycons and an HDMI out instead of a dock. So it would still be a Switch in both name and functionality.
@Silly_G again those games are not incompatible with a new system as longs as you can wireless connect joy cons to it...
@Agriculture like a 3ds without an AC adapter? Literally something without it you cannot play at all...
@Balta666 All things are relative of course, but to buy a new console with a game for it, then finding out you have the wrong controller and need to pay €70 more will anger people.
@Agriculture the size of boobs in video games anger people too... (First world problems)
@Agriculture people went out and paid for the pro controller just to get a d-pad. Sure, it was technically possible to play 2D games, but it was still a frustrating compromise for those used to a controller having a conventional d-pad since forever. So a system with (likely) a proper d-pad is going to make a lot people happy (Mario maker’s a big beneficiary here) too. So there’s new compromise, yes, but not without addressing old compromises at the same time. I’d argue that d-pad will get sooo much use in the upcoming platform games to really make a lot of folks love that
@graysoncharles Yeah, and that proves my point. The fact that the N64 had save memory in the cartridge was a selling point, while the expansion pack was a detriment. I'm not saying a Switch that lacks detachable joycons won't sell a single unit, I'm saying it will hurt it's sales somewhat, which is not a good idea because the Switch is still in 3rd place in this generation of consoles.
This is a stupid article, giving leverage to RUMORS! Every time Nintendo has given a revision to their consoles, they removed stuff, making them "worse" than the basic model. The 2DS is the perfect example of it. The New 3DS might be the only revision which was an "upgrade" from the original model, but it only got one exclusive game, and Nintendo only did it because they were going to start losing money with the original 3DS, due to the fact that they lost a lawsuit for the patent of the 3D technology.
@Balta666 Depends on the price.
If the cheap version was half price that a normal Switch, then yes.
And that would not be an unreasonable price drop.
With no dock, no screen and no battery.
The production cost would be far cheaper.
I bet that you could take a current Switch and make it run in a dock without the screen and battery installed
I love articles like this on here,the sound reasoning of a smaller cheaper model to appeal to the 3DS/2DS crowd,that will also appeal to current family Switch owners who are looking for another cheaper option of owning another Switch for their kids,a model that is a little smaller and dare I say a little more robust.
All this reasoning goes out of window as all anybody on here wants is a uber powerful Switch revision,which in all honesty I do not see Nintendo making anything as powerfull as people are expecting.
I'm going to get this when it comes out because I don't want to be left behind!
I would like mine in blue!
I Would like a 2ds/switch combo so we could use 2ds/3ds cartridges and switch cartridges in the new console they name something like the newest2ds lol
@NinChocolate
Like what issues? I got mine last year and no issues (knock on wood).
@westman98 I'm saying the Switch is already better than a 3DS or VITA. It can be a "Handheld Pro" today.
Home consoles, PC GPUs or "home only" AAA games still sell in the millions - Switch "hybrid convenience" never changed that.
They have the time to play mostly at home and they expect all the bells and whistles... No Switch will win as a Primary device for that group.
People who need a "hybrid" have a Switch. Take the guts and put it in a MINI "shell" and make it more affordable so that some in the other group can pick it up as a 2nd device.
@Agramonte I do not think that there will be a big price drop by putting the guts of a Switch in a mini shell.
It would be more likely that the Switch "Pro" would be the new main version and the we would just see a price drop in the current Switch.
The real question would be is it the games on the Switch, the price or the hand-held feature that would be the selling point for the people how has not bought a Switch or is looking for a 2nd console.
If the handheld function is value less than a low price and/or the game that you can get.
Then a cheap "classic" version would be able to sell without competing with current Switch and a Pro version.
You could even put is a NES shell and say that is a way to play the retro NES games
@westman98 Maybe some people buy a Switch for the indie games, but I doubt many do (besides, Nintendo only gets a part of the profit for them). People generally buy the Switch for BotW/Smash/Odyssey/Pokemon/Splatoon/Animal Crossing/Mario Kart and each of those will set you back $80, even if they're a year or two old (notwithstanding rare, limited, temporary sales). If $80 games really were suitable for a budget system, 3DS games would cost $80. They don't, they're $50 when they come out and they go down over the system's lifespan.
@Slitth It would need to be cheaper. If taking the dock, cutting down the molds from 6 to 2 and reducing the parts from the joycons is not enough - it wont work.
I am not sure how the "pro" would be the same price. The X1 is a T210 part from 2015 that retailed at $27. They will need a better chip and more ram - that is not happening for that. The Tegra X2 is still short of the PS4.
@Euler
A casual player would probably buy a Switch Mini to play a small handful of system sellers (i.e. the games you listed), but indies and the occasional eShop sales will ensure that said casual player continues to engage with the Switch over time.
3DS games aren't $60 USD (or $80 CAD) because nobody in this decade will buy scaled-down 240p games at that price. Heck, there aren't even that many people who are buying scaled-down 240p games at the current $40 USD price, given how slow 3DS software sales are compared to that of the Switch (and PS4/XBO/PS3/360/Wii/NDS).
@Agramonte
The Switch Pro won't exist to compete with the PS4/XBO/PS5/Xbox Scarlet, much like how the New 3DS wasn't made to compete with the PS Vita, the DSi wasn't made to compete with the PSP, etc.
It will exist to convince hardcore fans to upgrade to a new unit with better hardware and thus better game performance. That's all.
@Agramonte Yes, you can cut down the number of molds you would need, but you would also have to retool the production line.
And the molds and production line that handle Joycons will still be running
And it all depends on what strategy Nintendo will choose.
They can of course stop the production on the current Switch and go with a Pro and Mini.
Or will they go with a Pro and the current Switch. (My bet)
Or will the go with a Pro, current and cheap versions.
To be honest I do not see a place for the "mini" Switch because it would not be cheap enough to compete with a current Switch sold without a dock.
It might even have to compete with a current Switch sold without a dock and Joycon if we are talking selling to people that already have one Switch at home.
@Slitth They made a wedge shaped 2DS that was 100% deferent. Not only in molds but a brand new motherboard.
I say "MINI" as in the changes would bring the price down. If they can actually make a Switch PRO at $300 and drop the "regular" down... it would be the same thing. I do not think it even needs to be smaller, just easier to afford.
@westman98 So just to sell it to the 36 million who already own a Switch. I mean that is fine.
I just think there is an opportunity to sell a device to the gamers who already skipped on the "hybrid" concept at $300 and bought a Home Console or 1060Ti.
@Agramonte
The 2DS was made cheaper because they drop the clam design.
This allowed a bigger motherboard and one screen to be mounted, and this lowered the price without drop in quality.
The Switch design makes this much harder to do.
You would need to drop the quality of some of the parts or drop some of the function to make it cheaper.
And I do not think that the removable joycons would be enough.
Add the fact that this drop this function would make some games unplayable without buying extra joycons and you have a small problem.
Improving the production line for the current Switch and removing the unneeded extra equipment would be a better way to make a cheap alternative
I want a Switch that has front facing speakers
As much as I want a Switch Mini, given that it would fit my lifestyle far better than the current bulky one, I don't see it happening. As others have pointed out, Nintendo have worked very hard to communicate the message of playing the way you want and fusing the Joy-Cons to the system would destroy a key method of play that they've advertised so heavily. It would confuse the market, man.
Article after article about a Switch mini?! Is news really that slow? There really is no need for it right now, the Switch still sells massively worldwide. Eventually they may come with new version, but they may wait untill XboxTwo (or whatever it will be called) will be released (holiday 2020). Only when that console arrives the Switch may go down a little sales-wise. But only in the west, Japan isn't that interested in very big homeconsoles. They rather have a handheld, made by a japanese company.
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