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FriedSquid

Jaz007 wrote:

Um, are you really bringing up a fighting game here, where most of the female characters are, and Splatoon is a silly example. You also should remember that The Order 1886, Uncharted, and other Sony games will have Women in them, and really, a fighting game is seriously reaching for "Nintendo has more women than Sony and MS."

Why should the genre make a difference if there's gender equality in the game? Fighting games are no exception.

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Jaz007 wrote:

Um, are you really bringing up a fighting game here, where most of the female characters are, and Splatoon is a silly example. You also should remember that The Order 1886, Uncharted, and other Sony games will have Women in them, and really, a fighting game is seriously reaching for "Nintendo has more women than Sony and MS."

Yeah, it's not good to cite party games as balancing the gender bias.

Bayonetta is a good example, but game like that are present across all platforms. Nintendo isn't leading the charge in any gender balance. Nor are they leading the charge in sexuality balance too.

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Squid wrote:

Jaz007 wrote:

Um, are you really bringing up a fighting game here, where most of the female characters are, and Splatoon is a silly example. You also should remember that The Order 1886, Uncharted, and other Sony games will have Women in them, and really, a fighting game is seriously reaching for "Nintendo has more women than Sony and MS."

Why should the genre make a difference if there's gender equality in the game? Fighting games are no exception.

There's such a big difference between a female having a prominent role in a fighting or party, than a adventure or FPS. The difference is huge. It's like claiming you serve a wider variety of food because you served a stir fry.

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skywake

Jaz007 wrote:

There's such a big difference between a female having a prominent role in a fighting or party, than a adventure or FPS. The difference is huge. It's like claiming you serve a wider variety of food because you served a stir fry.

Well in Nintendo's defence here there weren't that many games that you say "are the only ones that count" on show. The ones that they did show however had quite a balance of characters. Hyrule Warriors which for other reasons we could all whine about for being "sexist" does have a fair chunk of female characters. The Zelda trailer? Well we know nothing about it really so it's impossible to say. But then there are these "party games" that apparently don't count for anything.

Splatoon, about 50:50. Mario Kart? Was also about half and half. Smash Bros? Again about half and half. And you say that's nothing which you could argue for but of the 16 characters total in the original Smash and Kart combined there were only two female characters. Peach and Samus. That was it. In the new ones they didn't have to have Rosalina, Baby Rosalina, Pink Gold Peach, Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Palutena or the Wii Fit trainer. But they did, and that's a positive. Plus some of those characters in Smash should be some of the better characters to play. So that's progress.

Is it a full scale adventure game or massive RPG revolving around a central female character? No, definitely not. Should it be brushed off entirely because they're "just party games"? No, I don't think so either. And frankly I'd argue that Splatoon in particular is the counter to just about everything I dislike about modern gaming in one game.

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ultraraichu

I was thinking that but more so with just Super Smash Bros. With the addition of Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, Palutena, Rosalina, Mii Fighter, and maybe Greninja if you want to be "that guy", the male to female newcomers ratio is like 50-50 compared to the past when it was more one-sided.

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It makes me very happy to see girls being playable more in Nintendo games lately. :3

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Dreamz

While I'm fairly happy with the gender ratio on Nintendo compared to the other consoles, it'd still be nice to either have a female Link, or playable Zelda in the next game.

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Jaz007 wrote:

Squid wrote:

Jaz007 wrote:

Um, are you really bringing up a fighting game here, where most of the female characters are, and Splatoon is a silly example. You also should remember that The Order 1886, Uncharted, and other Sony games will have Women in them, and really, a fighting game is seriously reaching for "Nintendo has more women than Sony and MS."

Why should the genre make a difference if there's gender equality in the game? Fighting games are no exception.

There's such a big difference between a female having a prominent role in a fighting or party, than a adventure or FPS. The difference is huge. It's like claiming you serve a wider variety of food because you served a stir fry.

With this you have to keep in mind Nintendo's desire to remain faithful to its current stable of IP's. In all likelihood there will be a gradual migration to a stronger female representation (rhyme), perhaps resulting in new IP's with female leads.

But it remains true that their most anticipated IP is Smash Bros.

Introducing high profile female combatants is one of the most visible strides for Nintendo to make in its current ecosystem.

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CaviarMeths

Dreamz wrote:

While I'm fairly happy with the gender ratio on Nintendo compared to the other consoles, it'd still be nice to either have a female Link, or playable Zelda in the next game.

Have you seen the new Link doe?

Need to keep reminding myself...

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unrandomsam

I don't think it is worth it supporting both just takes miles more effort. (Especially if it involves redoing al the cutscenes and the voice track).

Doesn't bother me either way. (i.e What gender the character is).

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Peach64

It's kind of like saying Dead or Alive is helping to represent females because it has lots of female characters. I'd be happy to see more games that have a female as the main character though. We have Bayonetta 2, maybe today we'll see Metroid Dread.... hope

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Sean_Aaron

I can't say I like Bayonetta being used as a positive in a discussion about gender bias when the character is extremely sexualised to appeal to a male audience (unlike the recent Laura Croft game where that aspect has been toned down in favour of character). I do like the balanced rosters though characters like Toadette and Wendy Being just female versions of male characters indicated by the use of pink and accessories to mark them as such indicates we have a ways to go. Overall I do think Nintendo's approach is leaning towards the positive.

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skywake

Peach64 wrote:

It's kind of like saying Dead or Alive is helping to represent females because it has lots of female characters.

Even when you purely focus on Zero Suit Samus and the gif on the first page of this thread
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CaviarMeths

Sean_Aaron wrote:

I can't say I like Bayonetta being used as a positive in a discussion about gender bias when the character is extremely sexualised to appeal to a male audience.

I disagree. Her personality in general is very sexual, so her clothing and mannerisms are just an extension of that. I don't consider it sexist.

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Jaz007

CaviarMeths wrote:

Sean_Aaron wrote:

I can't say I like Bayonetta being used as a positive in a discussion about gender bias when the character is extremely sexualised to appeal to a male audience.

I disagree. Her personality in general is very sexual, so her clothing and mannerisms are just an extension of that. I don't consider it sexist.

This brings up another question though, males made a female character with a sexual personality, hmm, I wonder what the intent was here. It might just make the issue worse.

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Peach64

Would people go nuts (in a bad way) if Link in the Wii U Zelda was a girl? Link isn't a set person right? So there's no reason why a female could not end up becoming the Hero of Time. Now I think that would be really, really great, but my friend thinks it would cause a backlash on toon Link levels.

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