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skywake

It's not what is happening but they way that they present it that I'm not ok with. In something like GTA there's similar sorts of crap but the cops come down on you hard and the character your playing isn't really treated like a hero. In GTA you might do something like this in one moment but then soon after you might do something that's completely absurd. So the only way I would say this might be ok is if they changed it significantly. Make what's in the trailer "Act 1" and have it turn half way through. Make this nonsense part of some loser's fantasy which they wake up from and try again before getting taken down by the cops after five seconds. Then maybe I could be ok with it.

.......... but I probably still wouldn't be interested in getting it

Edited on by skywake

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unrandomsam

So it was on greenlight then pulled then added again personally by Gabe Newell. (And now loads more people know about it than before).

That type of publicity for something like this usually costs a fortune. (Max Clifford did the same thing for GTA for loads of cash).

All over mainstream media.

Be a good test for me to work out whether I 100% only care about gameplay (Presuming it plays well - I am quite fond of that genre).

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DefHalan

I just like how Professional the Developers have been throughout this whole process. They didn't get mad at Valve and threaten people's lives. They were very respectful and professional. For that reason I hope the succeed. I personally am not interested in the title.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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iKhan

I understand why people are getting mad about this game, but it's basically the video game equivalent of a slasher flick. It's not a huge mainstream game. It's a niche game for people who like ultraviolent media.

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Bloodix

Hatred would have to get ESRB rated/etc if it came out on consoles. Nintendo wouldn't prevent it, unless it was rated AO/equivalent. Only then really would it prevent it from being on the system.

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unrandomsam

Bloodix wrote:

Hatred would have to get ESRB rated/etc if it came out on consoles. Nintendo wouldn't prevent it, unless it was rated AO/equivalent. Only then really would it prevent it from being on the system.

NoA blocked the Binding of Issac : Rebirth afaik. (Niaclis did want to bring it to 3DS).

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R_Champ

unrandomsam wrote:

I will get it. (Don't like being told by some hipster I shouldn't get something).

Games are not real.

Haha, yeah that magical hipster that looks over your shoulder is worse than Jesus! Wait...a beard? Long hair? Something fishy is going on here...

I wouldn't touch something like this because I don't have a gore fetish. To each their own, but I think violent scenes to protray a theme (like in war) is one thing, but I think people are just stroking their own...uh...ego, with mindlessly violent games like this.

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iKhan

unrandomsam wrote:

Bloodix wrote:

Hatred would have to get ESRB rated/etc if it came out on consoles. Nintendo wouldn't prevent it, unless it was rated AO/equivalent. Only then really would it prevent it from being on the system.

NoA blocked the Binding of Issac : Rebirth afaik. (Niaclis did want to bring it to 3DS).

That's mostly because of an old policy against religion in games.

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DefHalan

^That is the news that resurrected this thread, a few posts above yours

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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CaviarMeths

I'm disgusted by this game for a multitude of reasons, but I guess it deserves to exist.

I'm just not sure who the target audience is. Anyone young enough to think this game is cool isn't going to be old enough to buy it anyway. Except unrandomsam.

Edited on by CaviarMeths

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skywake

After the stuff that went down in Sydney this week I'm even less impressed with the idea of this game. Just too close to home and they're glorifying it. I was reading a thread about this on a PC gaming forum where someone asked if if there was a line that could be crossed and was surprised that this wasn't it. People responded saying it was fiction and there was no line. Then someone asked whether it would be ok if a game was literally a Holocaust simulator where you got rewards for being a good Nazi. People said they were even find with that.

This is what happens when people try to keep their ideology pristine, they miss the broader picture. No one answer is correct. I have a feeling that some of the people heavily defending this are just being purely reactionary and aren't really thinking about it.

Edited on by skywake

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DefHalan

skywake wrote:

After the stuff that went down in Sydney this week I'm even less impressed with the idea of this game. Just too close to home and they're glorifying it. I was reading a thread about this on a PC gaming forum where someone asked if if there was a line that could be crossed and was surprised that this wasn't it. People responded saying it was fiction and there was no line. Then someone asked whether it would be ok if a game was literally a Holocaust simulator where you got rewards for being a good Nazi. People said they were even find with that.

This is what happens when people try to keep their ideology pristine, they miss the broader picture. No one answer is correct. I have a feeling that some of the people heavily defending this are just being purely reactionary and aren't really thinking about it.

Personally I go with the idea that there is no line for what content a game (or movie/book/comic/whatever) can have in it. But stores (even digital ones) have the right to not stock a game based on its content. Also consumers have the right not to purchase a product based on content. So if you make a "Holocaust simulator" and stores refuse to stock it and people refuse to buy it, then that is those people's choice. Just like the developer had a choice whether or not to create such a product.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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Jazzer94

DefHalan wrote:

skywake wrote:

After the stuff that went down in Sydney this week I'm even less impressed with the idea of this game. Just too close to home and they're glorifying it. I was reading a thread about this on a PC gaming forum where someone asked if if there was a line that could be crossed and was surprised that this wasn't it. People responded saying it was fiction and there was no line. Then someone asked whether it would be ok if a game was literally a Holocaust simulator where you got rewards for being a good Nazi. People said they were even find with that.

This is what happens when people try to keep their ideology pristine, they miss the broader picture. No one answer is correct. I have a feeling that some of the people heavily defending this are just being purely reactionary and aren't really thinking about it.

Personally I go with the idea that there is no line for what content a game (or movie/book/comic/whatever) can have in it. But stores (even digital ones) have the right to not stock a game based on its content. Also consumers have the right not to purchase a product based on content. So if you make a "Holocaust simulator" and stores refuse to stock it and people refuse to buy it, then that is those people's choice. Just like the developer had a choice whether or not to create such a product.

I'm sorry but no just no there really should be a concious moral line with these kinds of things, I mean just look at the tone of the game it's sick.

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skywake

DefHalan wrote:

Personally I go with the idea that there is no line for what content a game (or movie/book/comic/whatever) can have in it. But stores (even digital ones) have the right to not stock a game based on its content. Also consumers have the right not to purchase a product based on content. So if you make a "Holocaust simulator" and stores refuse to stock it and people refuse to buy it, then that is those people's choice. Just like the developer had a choice whether or not to create such a product.

Well it's like that game PETA made about Mario, there are actual organisations that make and use that sort of content to recruit. I don't really think it's a good idea to have proper developers doing this for them. There definitely is a line. This game? I'm not sure which side of that line it's on, it all hinges on who the protagonist is. As presented here I kinda get a Columbine sort of vibe from it and that's borderline. If he was clearly a loser I'd be more ok with it. If he was a Nazi, KKK member or Taliban then there'd be mass protests in the street about it......

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Sisilly_G

This will never be released on a home console, at least certainly not in Australia as it would definitely be banned.

To quote the National Classification Code…
1. Computer games that:
(a) depict, express or otherwise deal with matters of sex, drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence or revolting or abhorrent phenomena in such a way that they offend against the standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults to the extent that they should not be classified; or
(b) describe or depict in a way that is likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult, a person who is, or appears to be, a child under 18 (whether the person is engaged in sexual activity or not); or
(c) promote, incite or instruct in matters of crime or violence

…will be refused classification.

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unrandomsam

skywake wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

Personally I go with the idea that there is no line for what content a game (or movie/book/comic/whatever) can have in it. But stores (even digital ones) have the right to not stock a game based on its content. Also consumers have the right not to purchase a product based on content. So if you make a "Holocaust simulator" and stores refuse to stock it and people refuse to buy it, then that is those people's choice. Just like the developer had a choice whether or not to create such a product.

Well it's like that game PETA made about Mario, there are actual organisations that make and use that sort of content to recruit. I don't really think it's a good idea to have proper developers doing this for them. There definitely is a line. This game? I'm not sure which side of that line it's on, it all hinges on who the protagonist is. As presented here I kinda get a Columbine sort of vibe from it and that's borderline. If he was clearly a loser I'd be more ok with it. If he was a Nazi, KKK member or Taliban then there'd be mass protests in the street about it......

I would like to play a Taliban centred CoD like game. Interested in why and think games are quite a good way to show such things. (Maybe highlighting some of the bad stuff the so called good guys did but mainly helping me try to understand something I don't).

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DefHalan

Jazzer94 wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

skywake wrote:

After the stuff that went down in Sydney this week I'm even less impressed with the idea of this game. Just too close to home and they're glorifying it. I was reading a thread about this on a PC gaming forum where someone asked if if there was a line that could be crossed and was surprised that this wasn't it. People responded saying it was fiction and there was no line. Then someone asked whether it would be ok if a game was literally a Holocaust simulator where you got rewards for being a good Nazi. People said they were even find with that.

This is what happens when people try to keep their ideology pristine, they miss the broader picture. No one answer is correct. I have a feeling that some of the people heavily defending this are just being purely reactionary and aren't really thinking about it.

Personally I go with the idea that there is no line for what content a game (or movie/book/comic/whatever) can have in it. But stores (even digital ones) have the right to not stock a game based on its content. Also consumers have the right not to purchase a product based on content. So if you make a "Holocaust simulator" and stores refuse to stock it and people refuse to buy it, then that is those people's choice. Just like the developer had a choice whether or not to create such a product.

I'm sorry but no just no there really should be a concious moral line with these kinds of things, I mean just look at the tone of the game it's sick.

I agree, I am not interested in the game and it does not fit my personal moral beliefs, but that doesn't mean I should have the power to make this game not exist. I will not spend money on it and am surprised that people are actually interested in. I don't want it.

skywake wrote:

Well it's like that game PETA made about Mario, there are actual organisations that make and use that sort of content to recruit. I don't really think it's a good idea to have proper developers doing this for them. There definitely is a line. This game? I'm not sure which side of that line it's on, it all hinges on who the protagonist is. As presented here I kinda get a Columbine sort of vibe from it and that's borderline. If he was clearly a loser I'd be more ok with it. If he was a Nazi, KKK member or Taliban then there'd be mass protests in the street about it......

Organizations may pay to get a game (or movie/book/comic/whatever) produced to "recruit" but the people they are paying to make this game didn't have to make he game, they could have refused the project. I personally am not ok with the content in the game but that doesn't mean I get to control the content that other people experience.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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unrandomsam

"revolting or abhorrent phenomena" as far as I am concerned is stuff like X-Factor. Unlike something like this that sort of junk does affect society badly.

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skywake

unrandomsam wrote:

I would like to play a Taliban centred CoD like game. Interested in why and think games are quite a good way to show such things. (Maybe highlighting some of the bad stuff the so called good guys did but mainly helping me try to understand something I don't).

1. This game isn't anything like CoD
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shaneoh

Jazzer94 wrote:

I'm sorry but no just no there really should be a concious moral line with these kinds of things, I mean just look at the tone of the game it's sick.

As opposed to mowing down mooks for some contrived reason like humour, war or revenge? It's obvious the PC is a lunatic and it's refreshing that a game is so obvious about it.

sillygostly wrote:

This will never be released on a home console, at least certainly not in Australia as it would definitely be banned.

To quote the National Classification Code…
1. Computer games that:
(a) depict, express or otherwise deal with matters of sex, drug misuse or addiction, crime, cruelty, violence or revolting or abhorrent phenomena in such a way that they offend against the standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults to the extent that they should not be classified; or
(b) describe or depict in a way that is likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult, a person who is, or appears to be, a child under 18 (whether the person is engaged in sexual activity or not); or
(c) promote, incite or instruct in matters of crime or violence

…will be refused classification.

Won't necessarily mean we won't have access to it. If they don't get it rated at all then we will likely still be able to get it on steam, Unepic hasn't been rated and Australia can still buy it on steam (I have). Postal 2 (terrible game) is also available on steam despite being refused classification (or i believe it was refused, it may not have been submitted)

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