Topic: For Everything but Wii U

This really needs no introduction. This further confirms I think 3rd parties just want to screw with Nintendo. Why? Who knows.

There is no reason why the can't port theses games to the Wii U but will port them to PS4 and XboxOne which haven't even been released yet.

EDIT: Ok, how do frickin post videos again?

They'd do it if the profit was worth time a resources. It's just not right now. And many of them may not think the future of Wii U is bright, evidence being they trip over themselves to get stuff on the other consoles, especially ones not even released yet.

You post a video by doing this:

Also, I'm pretty sure that the reason publishers aren't putting games on Wii U is because they have no confidence in it as a way to make money. That's a pretty good excuse if you ask me.

EDIT: Reply to my comment and you'll see what I'm doing.

Pretty simple answer really.. The system isn't selling. Why bother releasing software for it, adding additional costs for both the devs and publisher, if they risk loosing more cash than they'd make?

"It's all about the money!" Sad but true.

Yes, third parties are clearly more concerned with hating Nintendo than wasting resources and losing money. Because they're in the business to hate businesses, not to make money.

Even from a business standpoint I can understand not releasing stuff for the Wii U, my thing is for consoles that aren't even released yet. How can they be so confident that the PS4 and Xbox1 are going to have a huge install base 6 months after release. I'm not saying those two systems will bomb, but it's a much bigger risk I would think speaking you don't even know what's going to happen.

By the way thanks moomoo.

Because the pre-orders have been through the roof. Hold on, I'll find ya some links.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/ubisoft-xbox-one-ps4-preorders-t...
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/07/07/gamestop-ends-...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2422016,00.asp

The Wii U got quite a few multiplatform-titles on release too. If they had sold things might look different now. _{Not saying these were very attractive though.}

Ok, well at least there basing it on SOMETHING. It still remains to be seen whether this adoption of the next gen will last for several months and be quick. While definitely grounded in some numbers as you have shown, I still feel there is a significant risk involved.

No problem man. It took me a while to get the hang of the way threads work here, so I know what's it's like.

Frankly, I feel like it's less risky to go into uncharted waters than to go into waters that you know won't turn out as well as you'd like. Pretty much every publisher has been disappointed with the Wii U. The only reason why it hasn't been completely abandoned is because Ubisoft, Warner Brothers, and Activision feel like there's some small money to be made.

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I know what your saying and its correct that if the Wii U doesn't get it's act together by January 1, 2014 the system will be a supported only by hardcore fans like me. The thing is though uncharted waters are still uncharted. May be LESS of a risk, but its still a significant risk where the possibility of failure isn't all that of a crazy improbability.

Well, there are games being released on the Xbox One and PS4 on their launch days. The games could just as easily launch on Wii U the same day as those consoles.
There's really no reason to doubt Wii U with a much larger install base. They haven't even invested money on the thought that games like Destiny or GTA V would be coming to Wii U, but if they port it for less than it initially cost to make the game, it would make more money on each sale, along with with having a bigger install base to begin with.

The truth is, as many others have said, money talks.

If the Wii U and its games were flying off the shelves, these developers would find a way to make the engines that the Wii U is too weak for to work, they'd find a way to get these next generation games on our system because others have sold well.

However, the problem is, developers are testing the water by rereleasing older games, like NFS: Most Wanted, Arkham City, Sniper Elite, etc., on the Wii U months or years after their release on other systems. If we wanted to play the game so badly, we would've bought the other systems.

All we can do is support these developers, buy third party games for Wii U, recommend the system to our friends, and show devs. that we want to play their games!

(if we did this then maybe I'd have my South Park; Stick of Truth on my Gamepad)

There are 2 actual main reasons for the so called hypocrisy. Really simple ones really.

1. Nintendo Wii eventually became a disaster for trying to get 3rd party success barring the most pandering examples of casual gaming...and also Sonic. Everyone involved with making the previous sentence a fact should eternally be ashamed of themselves. But yeah, new system, lack of games early on, not the best idea to put games on it.
2. Nintendo doesn't give companies money solely to get games on their system. This is why Xbox One and PS4 are getting games relatively quickly. Because they do that. There's nothing else to it.

Basically Nintendo continues to be a pretty conservative company. Despite how frustrating it can be, I can't get mad at Nintendo for focusing on not spending too much. A company being alive and profitable should always go ahead of being the most important and relevant brand in the industry.

People seem to underestimate the costs of porting games, especially when the system doesn't always support the same engines. Sure, it's cheaper than building the game from the ground up, but it still costs a lot of money and takes a lot of time (which also is money). Right now, porting a game to the Wii U is likely to cause a company to lose money unless it's already a low budget game. For most companies this is a huge red flag. On the other hand, while investing money in unreleased consoles is a risk, there is still a good chance for a profit, especially since there are less titles to compete with on or right after the consoles are released. It's much wiser financially to invest in unreleased systems than a system that likely will only lose them money. I'm sorry if that upsets anyone, I want more third party support too, that's just the way it is right now. Hopefully Nintendo will pull themselves up soon.

Also need to add, if you want more 3rd party games on the WiiU, then buy 3rd party games on the WiiU, and encourage others that you know who own the system to do so. Perfect example are the Ubisoft games coming this fall/winter, games like splintercell and watchdogs among others. That's the only way it will happen.

There's simply an inherent risk to being 'different'. Sometimes it works, sometimes it may not. PS3 lucked out of a risky decision. Wii U can do the same. But I don't think anything is a given.

In this case it's not so much the pre-orders (the pre-orders is just the proof that 3rd party developers made the right decision, since development began many months before E3) but just financial projections, and graphs, and statistics, and other stuff that corporate accountants would know about, that tell publishers where to safely place their money on. The conclusion is that Nintendo is not a safe place. And, these days, with the huge budgets and large amount of manpower--and time--devoted to releasing games, plus the large amount of sales needed to make profit on software, means anything that isn't a "sure hit" will be nixed. And that means Nintendo is out.
...but, all it takes is a good idea and Nintendo will be back with 3rd Party publishers. I think even they, they publishers, know Nintendo is the true trailblazer in the industry. Sony and Microsoft just follow along on gaming concepts that Nintendo begins. I figure whenever the time returns to a period where development isn't at a knife-edge, and risks can be taken, Nintendo will be the go-to system for many developers, much like the portable arena.

I think Wii U is gonna be the PS2 eventually in terms of the ammount of games available.
PS2 won 6th gen in the money and games area, but it didn't win hardware wise. That could happen to the Wii U, as Wii could be considered the PS1.

GCN was basically the PS3 of 6th gen, and PS3 was the N64 of 7th gen. It flip flops alot, but I think it's pretty easy to point out similarities on how well a console is fairing in comparison to another from a different generation.