You're going to get a very different answer from gamers and shareholders. On the 30th, they could show us Zelda, Metroid, F-Zero, and Star Fox for Wii U. This forum would go into meltdown with happiness, but the stocks would plummet because they didn't announce mobile games. That's where the money is in Japan. It won't be gamers that decide wether Iwata stays or not. For several years now, Iwata's words have come across as hallow to many people. He said they'd learn from the mistakes of the 3DS launch, but made them again with the Wii U launch. He said the Wii U would be a console for the 'hardcore' gamer, but their focus still seems to be on the casuals that never played games before Wii.
Yamauchi made Nintendo a success through being ruthless, not being sentimental, and in his prime he simply would not have have allowed a period like this to continue. Don't forget, Yamauchi just wanted to make money. He didn't love games, he tried many other things to make money. Putting games out on mobile would be a lot less of a drastic change than when he had Nintendo start making video games in the first place.
And the 3DS is seriously very far away from being the best selling handheld ever. People are being blinded by the awful Wii U figures. 3DS is selling less than the DS, PSP and GBA did. It's quite likely to end up the lowest selling handheld for quite some time (if you don't count failures like the Virtual Boy and Vita). I can't find figures for the Gameboy and Gameboy Color, just that they did 118 million combined.
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Uhh... I want Iwata to stay in the company, but for all stockholders concerns someone should take over him as CEO. Iwata's a wonderful figure in the world of gaming, but not so much one in the world of business. I think even if he steps down from CEO he should keep charge of the Nintendo Directs, Iwata Asks and all those promo things he's been doing so far. Honestly, I dunno. I'm not sure whether I'd prefer Nintendo to make more profitable games which I might not like as much, or keep making the games that we all love and end up producing unsustainably. I guess it's right when they say the best things never last.
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I'll maintain my opinion (as I do) that Iwata's made errors but I find it unlikely that someone who would likely take over would be an improvement without being a greedy, let's jump into the worst of gaming trends because money type of person. There are better people, I just don't think they would be the ones to replace him basically. No no no, it is not overly optimistic to assume Iwata's consistently done a particularly good job (very hit or miss imo, if more hits than misses), it is other people being idealist to a silly degree to believe a company the size of Nintendo would suddenly do everything right because a single guy in charge was replaced. Look at how EA tried and ultimately failed to change their ways if you need some proof of that. I'm the one being realistic here.
I feel like Nintendo has gotten too far ahead of themselves. Development time has skyrocketed, game consoles are more expensive than ever, people want fresh ideas, people want cross-buy, account systems, and a meaningful way to use the hardware they have provided.
This doesn't happen in less than 2 years, and that's exactly what they're trying to do. They're cutting this close, to say the least.
It looks like they just threw some hardware out there. The hardware itself is good, but they haven't exactly programmed it, at all.
The Wii U's OS isn't even close to doing what it technically can.
I feel like Nintendo has gotten too far ahead of themselves. Development time has skyrocketed, game consoles are more expensive than ever, people want fresh ideas, people want cross-buy, account systems, and a meaningful way to use the hardware they have provided.
agreed. Nintendo going to HD was gonna be kinda awkward unless Nintendo went to the most ludicrous extremes to pay money to do EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW. It's fine if people are annoyed at Nintendo not being the quickest towards these things but I don't think they realize the money it would cost to do so at the rate they want and that being profitable is more important (and was going to be unlikely in the short term anyway because HD, so let's not make it worse). And I also think most of the reasons Wii U has been struggling could have been at least somewhat avoided without having to spend that much more.
He doesn't need to resign.
The problem is that he inherited a corporation with a culture that is now vanishing. Nintendo was always about kids and families sharing a good time at home, surrounding a single medium: the TV. Now there are so many entertainment media devices that Nintendo's culture cannot keep up with it. And, of course, as Nintendo is Japanese, they are practically krazy-glued to tradition.
They have turned very oblivious to the dominant home gaming demographic, championed by Microsoft, which is unmarried consumers in their 20s and 30s with credit cards. Nintendo has nothing for them.
But is that Iwata's fault? He lives in Japan, FFS! Xbox is dead there, and mobile gaming is king. He's done a fine job catering to the demographics out in his country. He has soundly defeated Sony in the portable dept. and Nintendo has the RPG crowd locked with Pokemon, DQ, and Monster Hunter. It's in the west where things are going badly. And whose fault is that? It's Reggie's!
Here's a question: What has Nintendo of America done to contribute to the company? E3 is in AMERICA, and they still go all goofy on their initial Wii U presentation? Hasn't someone told Iwata that Nintendo isn't cool there? That there's a problem with US-based developers not going to their system? That promotion of Nintendo products in America is next to Zero, and whatever promotion there is out there isn't ANYWHERE AS AGRESSIVE as Microsoft or Sony?
Whose fault is that? As far as I'm concerned, the Yamauchi "Iron fist" should be coming from America, and all that's there in Redmond are Starbuck's-sipping mascots!
My argument is that we couldn't possibly know how much he has screwed up because there are other departments and branches responsible for the Wii U's current financial predicament. Even idiots like Mike Jefferies, who's own comments insult a huge majority of possible customers of Abercrombie & Fitch, which causes a huge social backlash and a loss in sales still has his job. Mr. Iwata didn't cause the Wii U's horrendous first year sales. Many things have caused this, Nintendo's image, consumer confusion due to a lack of a strong marketing campaign from Nintendo of America, and the lack of the large casual gamers due to mobile games and tablets. The only other casual gamer are the 12-16 year old who basically buy Call of Duty boxes. Iwata's choices as president also has to appease a board of directors and investors, who only see the dollar value of a console, not the quality of the games.
All I can say to your argument is you win, not trying to start an argument or anything especially if we're just going to go around in circles taking up forum space. If you believe in Iwata it's your right to do so and I respect that
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I have a pretty good idea of what they're doing.
Xbox 360 OS RAM = 30mb
Wii U OS RAM = 1GB
That's 33× more OS capability than Xbox 360, yet there aren't any real results. This implies to me, that the OS is being programmed very carefully, and in consideration of how the Wii U runs, with its efficient architecture. Wii U is a completely different machine than Xbox One, yet people expect the same results. You can compare Wii U's RAM to Xbox 360's, but not Xbox One's.
If the company Nintendo and it's major shareholders wish to move abandon 6 million Wii U owners, go into Mobile, canning it's hardware and making games for the Xbox and PS4, and palming off it's IP willy nilly to any Tom, Dick and Harry, then yes Iwata has to go.
But I get the feeling that Iwata will stay because most of the board knows that going 3rd party will take away their power and percentage of profit like it did in the Atari days, plus they don't trust Sony after the previous encounter. Iwata is from the games industry, understands the workings of the industry and Nintendo's own workforce, and does seem to care for keeping Nintendo's core fan base happy. Plus he's Japanese. Doing the other stuff for the US market would probably mean bringing in an American, which I doubt Nintendo would do.
He's OK for now, but things can change if it gets worse.
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My biggest problem with Iwata at this point is that the hasn't fessed up to any actual mistakes. Sure, he's commented on not hitting financial targets, overestimating sales, not achieving high console adoption rates... blah blah. Those are simply the results though, not the causes. The causes are things like failure of their marketing teams, poor branding of the Wii U, slow software development, loss of third party support...
He's not taking responsibility for these things or saying how he and his organization screwed up. That I don't like. Every failure in business works it's way up to the CEO, they have total responsibility. If the business fails, they are held accountable.
Would it be so hard for him to just be honest with his shareholders and say "We dropped the ball on third party support. We designed a console that was difficult to develop for..."
My biggest problem with Iwata at this point is that the hasn't fessed up to any actual mistakes. Sure, he's commented on not hitting financial targets, overestimating sales, not achieving high console adoption rates... blah blah. Those are simply the results though, not the causes. The causes are things like failure of their marketing teams, poor branding of the Wii U, slow software development, loss of third party support...
He's not taking responsibility for these things or saying how he and his organization screwed up. That I don't like. Every failure in business works it's way up to the CEO, they have total responsibility. If the business fails, they are held accountable.
Would it be so hard for him to just be honest with his shareholders and say "We dropped the ball on third party support. We designed a console that was difficult to develop for..."
You're right. They should stop trying to fix the problems and instead just spend their time spreading the word of their failures and apologising for them. That'll get the console selling again.
I'm sure he would like to retire so he can come to all our homes.
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But is that Iwata's fault? He lives in Japan, FFS! Xbox is dead there, and mobile gaming is king. He's done a fine job catering to the demographics out in his country. He has soundly defeated Sony in the portable dept. and Nintendo has the RPG crowd locked with Pokemon, DQ, and Monster Hunter. It's in the west where things are going badly. And whose fault is that? It's Reggie's!
Here's a question: What has Nintendo of America done to contribute to the company? E3 is in AMERICA, and they still go all goofy on their initial Wii U presentation? Hasn't someone told Iwata that Nintendo isn't cool there? That there's a problem with US-based developers not going to their system? That promotion of Nintendo products in America is next to Zero, and whatever promotion there is out there isn't ANYWHERE AS AGRESSIVE as Microsoft or Sony?
Whose fault is that? As far as I'm concerned, the Yamauchi "Iron fist" should be coming from America, and all that's there in Redmond are Starbuck's-sipping mascots!
It's not Reggie's fault he got dealt a bum hand with the Wii U. All the advertising in the world doesn't mean anything if your product isn't compelling in the first place.
And I've seen plenty of advertising for the Wii U, both on the internet and on TV (particularly kids networks like Cartoon Network and Disney) that do a pretty good job of showing what the Wii U is.
The Wii U doesn't have as much power as the competition, and doesn't have the online capabilities as the competition from 2005. Then there's the whole thing with how Nintendo hasn't made a fully-featured game yet that actually uses the gamepad in a meaningful way, therefore justifying the weirdness of the controller. And let's not forget that their current online store isn't in the same league as the competition yet either.
The Wii U is just a really hard sell to all but most the ardent Nintendo fans.
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I'll maintain my opinion (as I do) that Iwata's made errors but I find it unlikely that someone who would likely take over would be an improvement without being a greedy, let's jump into the worst of gaming trends because money type of person. There are better people, I just don't think they would be the ones to replace him basically. No no no, it is not overly optimistic to assume Iwata's consistently done a particularly good job (very hit or miss imo, if more hits than misses), it is other people being idealist to a silly degree to believe a company the size of Nintendo would suddenly do everything right because a single guy in charge was replaced. Look at how EA tried and ultimately failed to change their ways if you need some proof of that. I'm the one being realistic here.
the idea that he has broken nintendo is as wrong as believeing that nintendo is broken in the first place.
It has been ONE year of slow sales (not bad, just slow) for the Wii U - which is only one part of the company. How has software development been? How have 3DS sales been? How have the past 8 years been? How much more is nintendo worth since he took over? How does he treat the staff and the company as a whole?
I've said it many times, the problem with Iwata is not that the the sales were not good, the problem is that he kept insisting up until the last moment on the pipe dream of selling 9 million Wii Us without really any plan for achieving it which shows lack of touch with reality and no real plans for the future.......
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