You don't think is what NintendoLand is for?

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Dunno about you, but for many a casual, having a "Tablet Controller" is a selling point. I can see casuals, seeing an iPad controller, but playing full games like on Xbox360 and PS3. From the people I talk to, this idea would excite them, which it has.

The problem is, the Casual market, unlike the 'core' market, has no common mindset. 'Playing of Casual' like people say Nintendo did with the Wii won't always support you. It's not a safety net. Is there honestly a way to tell what the casual market will or will not eat up? Can we, as 'core' gamers, make that call? What do you guys think?

Nintendoland is way to complicated to be a Wii Sports equivalent for the Wii U. I could never play that game with my family, since my parents would never learn how to play more than the DK game. (and even that may be tricky at first.)

...I don't get it, they're both basically minigame compilations. :/

I don't consider Wii Sports a mini game compilation at all. Nintendoland.. I count it as more of a sophisticated minigame compilation versus the simple Mario Party 9 minigames..

The Mini-games in Nintendo Land are too complex. Playing Zelda on Nintendo Land is not nearly as simple as playing Bowling in Wii Sports. I mean, who doesn't know how to bowl?

I have felt deflated about Nintendo for quite some time, TC. Quite some time..

It's a pretty easy test really. Find a "casual gamer", show them trailers and ask them what they think. Using that test I would say that NintendoLand does not fit the bill and out of all the games shown New SMB U is probably the closest thing the Wii U has to Wii Sports' mass appeal.

Yes, I feel very deflated

Seriously though, from the looks of it , the fact it looks boring and the fact that it's complicated, is not the reason I'm worried. It's just that Nintendo think this is THE BEST THING EVAR!!!!!!!!!!! and their putting all their hopes into it. If Nintendo Land fails, Nintendo are doomed for all eternity. They have to get this right.

Er ... Nintendo Land seems complicated???

My biggest problem with the Wii U is still the lack of games. I can see potential for the technology, but if all we have are the same few first party Nintendo titles and some ports of games that have been out for other systems for years, what's the point? Why would anyone rush out to buy a Wii U for Arkham City?

The even bigger problem is the Xbox "720" and PS4, which are strongly rumoured to be out next year and will be significantly more powerful, once again leaving Nintendo with no third party support. They can continue to state that graphics aren't important, which is somewhat true, but when it limits how advanced games can be and even what games can be released for the system, it's a serious problem.

Nintendo seem to have a knack for making products very successful, after everyone else has assumed they will fail, but I'm having a hard time seeing this one ending well.

Nintendo Land
Scribblenauts Unlimited
Just Dance 4
Lego City Undercover
ZombiU
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
TANK! TANK! TANK!
Project P-100
Game & Wario
Wii Fit U
SiNG
Rayman Legends

This is not a lack of games in my opinion. I've even removed the ports and "the few same" Nintendo titles.

And as for the PS4 and 720 being "significantly more powerful," I don't think they will be so powerful that Wii U gets left out. If Microsoft and Sony make their next systems dramatically more powerful than the PS3 and 360, production costs will be through the roof and the systems will end up being crazy expensive (PS3 launch anyone?), thus giving Nintendo the opening they need (should they price it fairly) to pull another Wii.

But, unlike where you ask the thoughts of A 'core' gamer, it won't necessarily be a common thought.
From what Iv'e seen, the casual market is unpredictable, unless of course you sit each individual down.

But, I could be drastically wrong.

Problem is, judging how things are falling into place, I highly doubt the power significance between WiiU and the other two next gen consoles will be dramatic like Wii vs PS3/360. Let's put this in perspective- If Sony decides to go being the most powerful console of next gen like they did for PS3, do you think developers would want to ditch WiiU's affordable dev kits as well as the costs to make games on WiiU compared to PS4? Especially when the gap is minuscule? Doubt it. And judging And honestly, the difference is not what everyone is thinking. Not to mention, Microsoft and Sony don't have the dinero to be spending so much on having SUPER-EXTRA-MODERN-MODERN-FUTURE technology like everyone is believing.

Costs of game development is rising. And because WiiU is that bridge between current and next gen, it may turn out to be the system 3rd parties would rather develop for if the costs to make games between WiiU vs 720/PS4 are huge.

Thats really wishful thinking when most big third parties already have 720/PS3 kits are the ones wanting more power.

Just like its wishful thinking about the other two being leaps above WiiU.

You're drastically wrong and I have no idea what you're actually saying here. What I'm saying is that it's really, really easy to gauge someone's thoughts on an idea by simply showing it to them. As for being unpredictable, the biggest "casual" success stories have been things like Brain Training, Wii Sports, Guitar Hero, Wii Fit and Just Dance. The level of success for all of them was mind blowing but the appeal was obvious from the moment they were first shown.

If anything it's the core games that are hard to predict.

Cheaper development costs didn't do much for the Wii this gen..

And developing a game for the PS4/720 will always make more sense financially. Not only because the games are more expensive, but because even in this gen, multiplats on the PS3/360 reach just as many people on both consoles combined as they would reach on the Wii.

Basically Nintendo and their lower-tech unusual accessories will never receive tons of 3rd party attention as long as there are two higher tech equivalent consoles.

Well thats common sense but Microsoft could go for a giant  leap if they wanted too. The hardcore gamer and general tech guys will grab a new console at $400 and for everyone else why do you think they are experimenting with the contract model as well as getting it to be a cable box.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/05/07/99-xbox-360-c...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405359,00.asp

They could easily go with a uber powerful system and use non traditional methods to cover the costs as well as expanded marketshare making sure they are once again the lead console.

Still don't think Kt will happen however. I'm expecting a xbox/ps2/gamecube type of power levels.

Yeah, same here. We're too far in a recession (by "we" I mean a lot of the countries these companies sell to...) for super powerful systems right now. They need to focus on gimmickry rather than sheer power right now (which is fine by me, I'll wait until the gen after for the super awesome and hopefully more traditional systems).