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Henmii

321. Posted:

Looking back at the Nintendo conference: Yes it was bad, and it didn't convince me to buy a Wii u just yet! However, Luigi's mansion 2, Castle of illusion sequel and Paper mario 3DS still look fun (though I am a bit sceptical of the stickers mechanic). For Zelda 3DS it may be a little to early. Maybe next year!

As for the Wii u: We hoped we would get blow away by the line-up (3D mario, Retro studio's title, lots of great third-party titles), and the graphics. Instead we got (presumably) the launch line-up wich looks already better then the Wii launch line-up. I mean: There is a interesting new IP from Nintendo: Project P-100. There is Pikmin, something that doesn't appeal to me, but many will be happy! And then there is Game and Wario, a awesome looking Rayman, Zombi u, darksiders 2, Assasins creed 3 (am I correct?), Mass effect 3, Batman: Arkham city, Bit trip runner 2 and Trine! Not bad!

So while I don't think I'll buy it at launch, I may buy it in the future! As for the controller, I have to try it first I guess! Also: Miiverse looks like the return of the Nintendo forums, wich could be fun! But the graphics: Rayman looks awesome and so does Pikmin 3 among some other titles. But I fear Microsoft and Sony will blow the Wii u away!

This is my future shop-list:

Rayman: Hell yeah!
Project P-100: Maybe. Should have had much better graphics though!
Game and Wario: Yes
New mario bros Wii u: Yes, though I am not a big fan
Darksiders 2: Maybe, because it has Zelda-like gameplay
Assasins creed 3: Maybe
Mass effect 3: Maybe. If I had played the first 2 I would say definitely!
Batman: Arkham city: Maybe because it's supposed to be pretty good
Trine 2: Absolutely
Bit trip runner 2: Absolutely
Zombi u: Maybe

Luigi's mansion 2: Absolutely
Paper mario 3DS: Absolutely
New mario bros 2: Yes, though I am not a great fan
Castle of illusion 2: Maybe
Castlevania Mirror of fate: Maybe
Kingdom hearts 3DS: Maybe
Final fantasy Thearhytm (I gues I spelled it wrong): Maybe

That's all!

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322. Posted:

Well I am still getting it for my room,I just hope Nintendoland is bundled in.

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doctor_doak

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I think people's expectations are ridiculously high. I didn't even bother watching E3 (just the couple of replay highlights i was interested in), because I knew it would be underwhelming. It was apparent that there would be no big launch reveal due to the conversations Iwata had with investors before the conference took place that were reported. He made a point of saying that expectations from a software perspective had to be tempered in the initial stages of the console's existence. Implying that they just didn't have any titles that were ready, apart from the already revealed Pikmin 3. The thing is, it's only one quarter of a year in a likely six year cycle. The launch is probably 1/24th of the systems lifespan..

3rd parties deep into development on other projects on other platforms are only just getting on board with the new hardware..It takes time. Also, Nintendo doesn't want it's launch window saturated with competing mega-titles from the whole spectrum of major publishers, because it wants to promote over-arching partnerships like the one's with Ubisoft and EA, and those publishers want a return on their investments.

But we all know that those 1st party titles like Mario 3D, Zelda, Smash Brothers, Metroid, etc... will be released in time. So I don't really understand why people are upset. As I said before, the launch line-up stacks up very well compared to other console launches over the last 10-15 years.

The nature of the business at this time dictates that publishers, and the likes of Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft don't reveal much information about what they're doing until they absolutely have to. This can be pretty frustrating for consumers who want access to all information possible...but from Nintendo's perspective, I think that they're being publicly coy over things like system specs, future titles, online functionality and such simply to deny their competitors information that could be used against them down the line. They're still probably making tweaks to certain components as well, so why give out the exact specs at e3?

I think it'll be ok. They really do appear committed to fixing the lack of support the wii had throughout its existence, because i think they realise they've probably already lost a portion of their customer base to mobile gaming. They're still courting that crowd, but I think they realise that the core console crowd who became disillusioned with the lack of 3rd party support on the wii must also be re-won if they're to make up for that likely shortfall.

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skywake

324. Posted:

Yeah, people are complaining to much. Everyone wanted a new Metroid and they got Halo 4, what more do they want?

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doctor_doak wrote:

The launch is probably 1/24th of the systems lifespan..

But it counts for so much more. The launch of a console is always anticipated, followed. The 3DS launch, although a handheld, is Exhibit A. Sure, it had some decent launch window titles in Pilotwings and Street Fighter. But as so many have written before, it lacked a show-stopper. The loyal, vocal group of early droppers showed their displeasure while the others did so by not purchasing the console. If such a 'dry spell' had been experienced, say, 4 years into the console's life, there's no way Nintendo would slash the price and apologize to current adopters. The launch window may be a small part of a console's lifespan, but it is the most important.

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skywake

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I think the Wii U lacks that system seller title. In hindsight and even at the E3 before it's launch everyone knew that Wii Sports and Super Mario Galaxy were the games people would buy the Wii for. The DS had Nintendogs and Brain Training, the Gameboy had Tetris and later Pokemon, the N64 had Mario 64 and the 3DS has OoT 3D.

The Wii U doesn't have that title yet. I can see Pikmin 3 and Nintendo Land being great titles and Pikmin 3 might end up getting a 10/10 from some reviewers for all we know... but I don't see people lining up to get those games. The Wii U needs its big game, we don't know what it is yet and for a great pre-launch E3 they needed to show us what it was going to be.

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327. Posted:

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Yeah, people are complaining to much. Everyone wanted a new Metroid and they got Halo 4, what more do they want?

What everyone wants... Reggie, Iwata and Miyamoto walking into their living rooms with a golden platter each and showing them games to drool over before quickly exiting while declaring "Not finished yet, see you next fall!"

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skywake

328. Posted:

@Demonic
1. Change the models and put "Metroid Prime 4" at the end of the Halo 4 trailer
2. Put said trailer at the end of the Nintendo conference
3. Watch the internets implode
4. ????
5. Profit

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doctor_doak

329. Posted:

Radixxs wrote:

doctor_doak wrote:

The launch is probably 1/24th of the systems lifespan..

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But it counts for so much more. The launch of a console is always anticipated, followed. The 3DS launch, although a handheld, is Exhibit A. Sure, it had some decent launch window titles in Pilotwings and Street Fighter. But as so many have written before, it lacked a show-stopper. The loyal, vocal group of early droppers showed their displeasure while the others did so by not purchasing the console. If such a 'dry spell' had been experienced, say, 4 years into the console's life, there's no way Nintendo would slash the price and apologize to current adopters. The launch window may be a small part of a console's lifespan, but it is the most important.

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If that's the case, then the Xbox 360 and the PS3 should've brought their respective owners to their knees, because both launches were beyond mediocre. The PS3's launch was laughably bad....but now 6 years into its life, many consider the PS3 to be the only console capable of churning out quality 1st party titles on a regular basis..

If you go back and do a search on all the launch titles of the various consoles over the last 15 years, you might be surprised by how poor they look in retrospect. Name a better console launch in that timeframe because i'd like to know about it..

You're after a 'showstopper' like most others who are bitterly disappointed by E3. If Mario Galaxy 3 had've been shown off as the launch title instead of NSMB's...you'd all be saying that this launch was the best thing since sliced bread! But you know those big titles like Mario 3D, Zelda and Metroid will eventually appear and they'll be epic..The thing is...NSMB is going to drive the 'installed base' on this console, which is why Nintendo chose it over a new 3D Mario. Sure it's stale, but it'll bring in the masses, which then creates the platform for more diverse and challenging titles & the crucial 3rd party support the console needs.

This launch is quite good in my opinion. It's having to cater for a lot of different demographics, and I just don't know why people are complaining. I mean its 4 months!! You're going to get a fantastic 1st party title in Pikmin 3, plus,

Assassin's Creed 3 (not a port)
Darksiders 2 (not a port)
Batman: Arkham City (Armored Edition- all dlc included)
Rayman Legends (not a port)
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed (w/h developers from Bizarre Creations)
Zombi (not a port)
Project P-100 ( an 'EXCLUSIVE' developed by the guys who made Okami, Resident Evil, Bayonetta, Devil May Cry, etc...)
Fifa 13 (likely...with some sort of novel use of the controller)

That's a very solid lineup by my book. Some of those games like Darksiders 2 and Sonic-All Stars Racing are pretty underrated from what i've seen. There's also Mass Effect 3, Aliens: Colonial Marines and Black Ops 2.

I mean, the console has NEVER had this kind of 3rd party support at launch, and the only knockout launch title it's ever had was Mario 64.. So y'know, I just don't get all the fuss..

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330. Posted:

doctor_doak wrote:

If that's the case, then the Xbox 360 and the PS3 should've brought their respective owners to their knees, because both launches were beyond mediocre. The PS3's launch was laughably bad....but now 6 years into its life, many consider the PS3 to be the only console capable of churning out quality 1st party titles on a regular basis..

If you go back and do a search on all the launch titles of the various consoles over the last 15 years, you might be surprised by how poor they look in retrospect. Name a better console launch in that timeframe because i'd like to know about it..

You're after a 'showstopper' like most others who are bitterly disappointed by E3. If Mario Galaxy 3 had've been shown off as the launch title instead of NSMB's...you'd all be saying that this launch was the best thing since sliced bread! But you know those big titles like Mario 3D, Zelda and Metroid will eventually appear and they'll be epic..The thing is...NSMB is going to drive the 'installed base' on this console, which is why Nintendo chose it over a new 3D Mario. Sure it's stale, but it'll bring in the masses, which then creates the platform for more diverse and challenging titles & the crucial 3rd party support the console needs.

This launch is quite good in my opinion. It's having to cater for a lot of different demographics, and I just don't know why people are complaining. I mean its 4 months!! You're going to get a fantastic 1st party title in Pikmin 3, plus,

Assassin's Creed 3 (not a port)
Darksiders 2 (not a port)
Batman: Arkham City (Armored Edition- all dlc included)
Rayman Legends (not a port)
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed (w/h developers from Bizarre Creations)
Zombi (not a port)
Project P-100 ( an 'EXCLUSIVE' developed by the guys who made Okami, Resident Evil, Bayonetta, Devil May Cry, etc...)
Fifa 13 (likely...with some sort of novel use of the controller)

That's a very solid lineup by my book. Some of those games like Darksiders 2 and Sonic-All Stars Racing are pretty underrated from what i've seen. There's also Mass Effect 3, Aliens: Colonial Marines and Black Ops 2.

I mean, the console has NEVER had this kind of 3rd party support at launch, and the only knockout launch title it's ever had was Mario 64.. So y'know, I just don't get all the fuss..

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And now you've opened the doorway for them to retort, "Well, you can just get half of those on PS3/360 for cheap if you get it used..." or "If you want to play Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed, just buy them and a PS3/360; it'll be cheaper than holding out for the Wii U..."

Personally though, I agree with you. With your expectations as unreasonably high as to hope for the next Mario 64 or that nonexistent Metroid-Starfox crossover, I guess this would be a dull E3.

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skywake

331. Posted:

.......... but you can get those games on the PS3/360.

and I don't think it's unreasonable to say that at was effectively an official product unveiling people tend to expect to be told why they should buy said product. Pikmin 3 and New SMB? Oh that's cool but why is this Pikmin/New SMB better than the other versions of these games out already and why whould I get it for the Wii U? Big third party games? Cool again but why should I get them on the Wii U instead of on one of those other consoles? They didn't really have anything on show that they could wave infront of our faces and say "this is why you should get the Wii U".

It didn't need to be a launch title, it didn't need to be Zelda or Mario or Metroid-fox. It just needed to be something. It could have been one of them but it could also have been a Wii Sports or Brain Training or Nintendogs. Something. As it is I'm fairly certain that we won't be listing any of these launch games in 2016 when talking about the "killer apps" that defined the Wii U.

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It didn't need to be a launch title, it didn't need to be Zelda or Mario or Metroid-fox. It just needed to be something. It could have been one of them but it could also have been a Wii Sports or Brain Training or Nintendogs. Something. As it is I'm fairly certain that we won't be listing any of these launch games in 2016 when talking about the "killer apps" that defined the Wii U.

Ah, but we aren't at 2016 yet. For all we know, Pikmin 3 MAY BE THE REASON to get a Wii U. Maybe Project P-100 is one of the top 20 BEST Wii U Games. Perhaps Arkham City will be the DEFINITIVE free roam game on Wii U. We don't know... And as for the whole "It just needed to be something" argument, we did get Nintendo Land (a Wii Sports equivalent if there ever was one), Project P-100 (a game we knew NOTHING about), and Mass Effect 3 (another we knew nothing about). And as for the "It didn't need to be a launch title...," no one means that. We were to get Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D two months after launch and everyone complained. If they showed a trailer saying, "Here comes Legend of Zelda U in 2013," you'd have been so pissed!

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shingi_70

333. Posted:

Well the 360/ps3 lain h could afford to be bad Kt was running on the hd graphics gimmick the same year as HDTVs got big. The wii doesn't have any advantage like that.

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334. Posted:

kyuubikid213 wrote:

Ah, but we aren't at 2016 yet. For all we know, Pikmin 3 MAY BE THE REASON to get a Wii U. Maybe Project P-100 is one of the top 20 BEST Wii U Games. Perhaps Arkham City will be the DEFINITIVE free roam game on Wii U. We don't know... And as for the whole "It just needed to be something" argument, we did get Nintendo Land (a Wii Sports equivalent if there ever was one), Project P-100 (a game we knew NOTHING about), and Mass Effect 3 (another we knew nothing about).

They might be but let's be honest, they probably won't be. I remember the reaction to Wii Sports at E3 '06 and it was hyper compared to what the Wii U has seen post E3 2012. Wii Sports was the game that did that, Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime were what turned it upto 11 and the Wii flew off the shelves. I don't see anything that we know thus far being able to do that. At this point the list of games for the Wii U looks worse than the list of games we had on 3DS' horizon at it's launch.

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And as for the "It didn't need to be a launch title...," no one means that. We were to get Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time 3D two months after launch and everyone complained. If they showed a trailer saying, "Here comes Legend of Zelda U in 2013," you'd have been so pissed!

I wasn't and I wouldn't be. Infact if I travel back in time on the interspheres I was pretty hyped Super Mario Galaxy after 2006's E3 and well into 2007 and the same was true for the 3DS. Looking back I can see that just before the 3DS launched I was talking about how Kid Icarus Uprising and OoT 3D were the games to get the system for with zero complaining about how they weren't launch titles. I didn't buy the 3DS at launch because there was nothing to play until OoT3D but if there was, as there is with Pikmin 3, I would have been hyped about it's future AND there at day one.

So you can say that... but you'd be wrong.

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Nintendoland will probably be pushed as the game that is like wii sports. Problem is I don't see it having the same crossover appeal.

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336. Posted:

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I guess we'll find out whether they've been able to repeat the Wii Sports magic after it's out. If non-gamers get their hands on the Wii U as they did with the Wii and suddenly every house including the retirement village down the road is playing Nintendo Land then I'll eat my words. If I hear my gamer friends talk about how their partners won't let them use the TV because they're playing Pikmin 3 then I'll say the same about that game. If I hear people I know who I wouldn't think of as default Nintendo fans rave about Pikmin 3 in the same way then I'll call it the big game that the Wii U needed.

'till that happens I remain unconvinced that either of these titles are the big games that will blow everyone's minds.

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They aren't. The wii U has no inherent selling points that I can see. Even the casuel focused stuff wasn't that good looking compared casuel stuff from competitors. I even doubt new super Mario bros as a system seller because it already had a major install base by the time the wii game came out.

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338. Posted:

"1. Change the models and put "Metroid Prime 4" at the end of the Halo 4 trailer"

That's exactly what I was thinking.

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skywake wrote:

I think the Wii U lacks that system seller title. In hindsight and even at the E3 before it's launch everyone knew that Wii Sports and Super Mario Galaxy were the games people would buy the Wii for. The DS had Nintendogs and Brain Training, the Gameboy had Tetris and later Pokemon, the N64 had Mario 64 and the 3DS has OoT 3D.

The Wii U doesn't have that title yet. I can see Pikmin 3 and Nintendo Land being great titles and Pikmin 3 might end up getting a 10/10 from some reviewers for all we know... but I don't see people lining up to get those games. The Wii U needs its big game, we don't know what it is yet and for a great pre-launch E3 they needed to show us what it was going to be.

As great as Pikmin 3 may be, it just doesn't have the success or following to have a big impact on the Wii U. The 2 games together on the Gamecube didn't even sell 3 million globally according to VGChartz. I agree with Skywake that it would have been a good idea for Nintendo to show an upcoming must-have "big game."

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340. Posted:

I'm wondering when they are going to show the next wii sports game as the easy of use of that is what sold the system.

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