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Drobotic

Only problem I have with it is that it sometimes freezes and some third party publishers just aren't making games for it,which is why I'm gonna buy a PS3 from someone soon.

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JaxonH

Tophurion wrote:

JaxonH wrote:

Tophurion wrote:

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turtlelink wrote:

Wonderful 101 I heard was not good (though I'll have to try that one out for myself)

You heard wrong. Straight up. Wonderful 101 is a seriously hardcore game, with so much complexity, depth, and extremely high learning curves (you'll probably have to play your first run-through on the easiest setting). Most people who actually bought the game and played it loved it. In fact, it actually scored higher on Metacritic than GTA5 for a while (though now I think it's like 0.3 under). Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Super Mario 3D World, Zelda Windwaker HD, Wii Sports Club, New Super Mario Bros U, Rayman Legends, Lego City Undercover and Deus Ex Human Revolution are probably the top-ten games on the system right now. All of them are superb.

GTA 5 has a metacritic of 95 whereas The Wonderful 101 is at a 78. That is a significant difference. I have not played the game, but I just wanted to correct you there.

I'm talking about USER score. You can't depend on the critic scores. They're always skewed. Wondeful 101 is at 8.3 and GTA5 is at 8.2. So actually, W101 has a higher score even now.

Ehhh. I would take critic scores over user scores any day of the week. The problem with user scores is that only the extremes actually post. Looking at The Wonderful 101's user scores, almost all of them are 10s or 9s. Then you have a couple extraordinarily low scores that should only be given to unplayable games. I cannot trust scores that are universally 10s or 9s without there being some 8s and 7s in the mix. It just shows a response bias. The only people who care to respond are those who LOVED it or HATED it. With GTA 5, it got tons of amazing scores and was the fastest selling game of all time. It definitely deserves a higher score than "good". The reason it is low is because of people who are upset with the game's popularity or their inability to get it. Tons of PC gamers and next gen console owners were quite mad at how it is only on the PS3 and 360 (just look at user scores on games like Halo 4 and see how many angry fanboys attacked it). People also just hate things that are popular. And The Wonderful 101 was made by Platinum Games. Platinum Games is one of those developers that has a strong and very loud cult following. I would not trust their biased scores.

Eh, I still trust user scores. There is no way out of the 36 million copies sold of GTA5, that there are even CLOSE to enough people to drop the average of the score. Not even close. Besides, user scores are always much closer to how I personally would rate games. Do I think GTA5 deserves a 95? No way. Not even a chance. 8.2 is about right. Do I believe Ocarina of Time deserves a 99, as good as it was? No way. 9.3 is much closer, although personally I would rank it lower than that even. Link Between Worlds was a MUCH better game than Ocarina. Critics are often biased themselves, and there isn't a large enough pool to average out the criticism. All it takes is one or two bad scores and it drops the average considerably. That's why I don't like using them. Wonderful 101 got lots of high scores because it's a really great game. Not a 10 to me, but that's people's opinions and they have the right to feel how they feel. GTA5 got lots of 10's also- it's a two way street.

EDIT: I stand corrected. After looking thoroughly for myself, there actually are quite a bit of negative reviews for games that don't explain why. So perhaps your point is a valid one. With that said, it seems as if those scores do a better job balancing out the perfect 10 votes. Kind of a "came to the right end using all the wrong means" situation. In spite of the 0's and 10's, the scores reflected actually seem to be pretty spot on with how I would rate the games. Surely coincidence, but maybe it's just one of those things where it all cancels out and evens out in the end? Idk, but it is disheartening seeing so many 0's and 10's. It's ridiculous actually.

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@kkslider ,I’m still gonna say AC4’s performance was a letdown, DigitalFoundry ranked it below all current consoles (to include the 360 and PS3), and after playing it on the Wii U…………I concur, it was pretty bad. Not Bayonetta on the PS3 bad, but still, not good at all. This is becoming kind of a common occurrence with third party Wii U games that have a high amount of detail, and while some of it may be due to shoddy porting, something tell’s me that that the Wii U’s innards are to blame as well. Sure, Super Mario 3D World looks absolutely gorgeous, but Nintendo knows how to make the most of their own unique art styles, and they aren’t trying to define the pores on a guys face like AC4 is.

@Tophurion ,As for the low Wonderful 101 scores, I think a lot of it has to due with the fact that it’s just really a unique, non user-friendly game……….don’t get me wrong, it’s a pretty kick-@## title, and I played through it twice, but it doesn’t surprise me if some people could just never feel comfortable with the controls (I think I was at the half-way point by the time I could say, yeah, I’m comfortable with everything). Also, if you want to have an enjoyable experience, please play the game on easy during the first run………….I think a lot of these reviewers used medium as default and got instantly frustrated.

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I think you need to also factor in the timeframes for metacritic scores and what not………….Zelda: Ocarina of Time has a 98% or 99% (or whatever), because in 1998, that game was an absolute revelation (when the reviews were published),……………….if your just jumping into it now without the same perspective, yeah, it’s gonna be a 90%, etc……

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@sub12
It's probably a little of both. But there's no denying the Wii U has the potential to make better looking games (Call of Duty Ghosts is a perfect example. It's actually much closer to the PS4 version than the PS3/360 versions). Now, I understand that's only one game, however, all it takes is one game to prove it can be done. And from what I've heard, Ubisoft is declaring the Wii U version of Watch Dogs to be in between the PS3 and PS4 versions. So if those games can do it, all games can do it. Just looking at the specs on paper prove Wii U is more than capable of running games a tad better than last gen consoles (albeit, MUCH closer to last gen than next, but that's not what we're talking about).

Most Wii U multiplats just aren't done properly. They're done quick, and costs are minimized to prevent losses (3rd party games aren't selling well on Wii U). You can't expect them to take the time to make the game the slightly better version if they know it's not going to be profitable for them. They're going to do just enough, and not a tad more. Look at Monolith Soft's X (which IS a high detail game)- that game is being done properly and the results are clear. Games can look just as good as PS3/360, and even a step above. It's just a matter of taking the time to do them right. But again, I'm not a graphics jerk. I play retro games, indie games and handheld games. If I can enjoy THEM no problem, then I don't see how I can't enjoy a multiplat on Wii U. Even the worst looking multiplat is still going to look exponentially better than any of those games.

Also, I think you're spot on about W101. That game was insanely difficult on NORMAL or whatever it was called.

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JaxonH

sub12 wrote:

I think you need to also factor in the timeframes for metacritic scores and what not………….Zelda: Ocarina of Time has a 98% or 99% (or whatever), because in 1998, that game was an absolute revelation (when the reviews were published),……………….if your just jumping into it now without the same perspective, yeah, it’s gonna be a 90%, etc……

You're right. Sometimes I forget to take that into account. Ocarina of Time 3D probably reflects the score more accurately for latecomers.

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MrWalkieTalkie

Also, I've been seeing many people questioning how many games will be on Wii U this year as the list seems a bit more on the short side at the moment, now leaving many people uneasy as to whether Wii U can provide plenty of content to play with.

I'd just like to remind everyone that many games on Wii U last year were both announced and released within the same year. Such as:

Wind Waker HD
New Super Luigi U
Sonic Lost World
Super Mario 3D World (Award winning masterpiece)
Dr. Luigi
NES Remix (Heck, this one released immediately after it's reveal!)
Mario & Sonic at the 2014 Winter Olympics
Wii Sports Resort
Wii Party U
Deus Ex Human Revolution
Pokemon Rumble U

So the list we currently have of upcoming Wii U releases within this new year cannot appropriately represent how many we will really have in the end.

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Right. Nintendo likes to announce games within months of their respective releases. The list we have now probably isn't even half of what we're going to see next year from Nintendo. Not to mention there will be a few 3rd party surprises as well (there always is). Even now there's a rumor that a new game, a 3rd party exclusive, will be hitting the Wii U next year. That's just how Nintendo rolls.

Remember DKC Returns 3D? Reggie says oh, by the way, we're bringing DKC Returns to the 3DS. And by the way, it releass NEXT MONTH lol. Or NES Remix. By the way, you can download this game RIGHT NOW! Or Dr Luigi. By the way, the game releases in less than a week! Or Kirby Triple Deluxe. We barely got a teaser trailer without even as much as a name for the game, when we find out it's releasing in Japan in like a month. Those are extreme examples, but yes, many of Nintendo's games each year are not announced until a few months before release, or at E3.

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SomeBitTripFan

I'm disappointed with Nintendo this generation period. I haven't found a truly good Nintendo game this entire generation. I'm probably going to go pure retro.

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No. I just wish they had a better system transfer program.

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SomeBitTripFan wrote:

I'm disappointed with Nintendo this generation period. I haven't found a truly good Nintendo game this entire generation. I'm probably going to go pure retro.

Do you own a 3DS? I'll be honest, I've been a little disappointed in Nintendo's output on Wii U to this point (aside from Super Mario 3D World which is awesome) but the 3DS is a great system. I've used that to get my Nintendo fix and been more than pleased with it.

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R_Champ

SomeBitTripFan wrote:

I'm disappointed with Nintendo this generation period. I haven't found a truly good Nintendo game this entire generation. I'm probably going to go pure retro.

O_O I think we differ in opinions greatly, good sir. Games like Fire Emblem: Awakening and Mario 3D World are prime examples of some of Nintendo's best work...EVER, IMO.

Personally, I don't regret getting a Wii U at all. I can always find something to do with it. Great games: W101, Mario 3D World, Great Indies, etc. No gamez? Netflix, TVii, Hulu, and Youtube (through the browser) are all great options. Heck, even the sketch pad program is awesome to draw without all the mess (sure, I'm not great, but it's a lot of fun). And I LOVE my backwards compatibility.

And with surely unrivaled games like Bayo 2, "X", Mario Kart, DK TF, and Smash on the way...it's only looking up for me. I understand everyone has different tastes though, it's just games like KH3, FFXV, Killzone, Knack, and the like don't interest me at all, and definitely not enough to make me regret a Wii U over the competition. Battlefront 3 might be a shame to miss out on though...Mass Effect 4? Bioware is dead to me.

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SCRAPPER392

I don't regret it. Wii U was still getting new games throughout the past year. Obviously, Nintendo put out some pretty noteworthy games, even if there weren't that many.

Sonic Racing, Tekken Tag 2, CoD, and Injustice were still new games when they came out. Also, blaming Nintendo for 3rd party support is kind of missing the point of who's exactly in control of said decision.

I agree with the memory thing, though. Wii U has the best procedure in place for holding alot of data without opening anything, and BC is a pretty big plus if you have Wii software. I transferred my Wii Ware and VC games on day one. The games just play better through the HDMI.

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@sub12 Yeah, iv gone so far as to write a review. I did not notice many frame rate drops after one of the patches,there are a few frame rate drops but they are at extremely odd moments(not moments you would suspect to be bogged down which gives the idea of poor coding) and not common.

Anyway can find my review here - http://pauseyourgame.com/game-review/assassins-creed-4-black-...

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JaxonH wrote:

Eh, I still trust user scores. There is no way out of the 36 million copies sold of GTA5, that there are even CLOSE to enough people to drop the average of the score. Not even close. Besides, user scores are always much closer to how I personally would rate games. Do I think GTA5 deserves a 95? No way. Not even a chance. 8.2 is about right. Do I believe Ocarina of Time deserves a 99, as good as it was? No way. 9.3 is much closer, although personally I would rank it lower than that even. Link Between Worlds was a MUCH better game than Ocarina. Critics are often biased themselves, and there isn't a large enough pool to average out the criticism. All it takes is one or two bad scores and it drops the average considerably. That's why I don't like using them. Wonderful 101 got lots of high scores because it's a really great game. Not a 10 to me, but that's people's opinions and they have the right to feel how they feel. GTA5 got lots of 10's also- it's a two way street.

EDIT: I stand corrected. After looking thoroughly for myself, there actually are quite a bit of negative reviews for games that don't explain why. So perhaps your point is a valid one. With that said, it seems as if those scores do a better job balancing out the perfect 10 votes. Kind of a "came to the right end using all the wrong means" situation. In spite of the 0's and 10's, the scores reflected actually seem to be pretty spot on with how I would rate the games. Surely coincidence, but maybe it's just one of those things where it all cancels out and evens out in the end? Idk, but it is disheartening seeing so many 0's and 10's. It's ridiculous actually.

I gave up on userscores when Mass Effect 3 and the new DmC hovered around 4. I don't care what anybody says, there is no way in hell those games are that bad, especially ME 3. 10/10 or even 9/10? Probably not, but I'd put ME 3 at the 8.5 range and DmC at like 7.5-8, both much better than the users at Metacritic would claim. I look at Metacritic as a place where people go to complain about everything. Its community is even worse than IGN or Gamefaqs.

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I do not regret purchasing a Wii U at all. Ever since launch, it is the only system I really use and my PS3 has been relegated to a Blu-ray player. I'm not interested in a another system because I have other things in my life that I enjoy spending my time on beyond video games. The Wii U has plenty of games to keep my happy.

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sonicfan1373

I am not disappointed with the Wii U, but I bought it on the grounds that I would be playing Nintendo games and a few third-party exclusives, and to be honest after the N64, Gamecube, and Wii I have never purchased a Nintendo system on the assumption that we would get good multi-platform title support (though I dream one day Nintendo does release such a system and actually works with third-parties). Also, in all honesty, I cannot see the point in a PS4 or any console for third-party multi-platform gaming at this time simply because a PC can outperform it (although due to the expense and also because for others a powerful PC is not something they need for other purposes I can see why others want a system with decent third-party support), at this time I think the Wii U still has the best exclusives and I actually really like the Gamepad controller.

I also believe your comparison to the Sega Saturn is interesting but not totally indicative of the entire situation. For example, during the Saturn days people inside of Sega itself found it difficult to program for the hardware, Nintendo and those who make games exclusively for the system or those who are porting mobile games have stated that the Wii U is actually quite easy to program for (Nintendo stated that making HD games required more time to make than originally anticipated but that is probably because they are just learning how to effectively program for a graphics system with programmable shaders rather than the system itself being difficult to program for, they would just as many issues, if not more, if they were programming for a competing system). Secondly, the Sega Saturn was actually priced above the competition for much of its life, simply because its supposedly more powerful hardware (theoretically of course, because its dual processors kept on throttling each other which in practice made the system less powerful than its competitors and a nightmare to develop for) was much more expensive to produce; the Wii U on the other hand is less powerful but also less expensive to produce which is good for Nintendo because in the coming year they can better price the system.

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rallydefault

Not at all! You need to be realistic about all of your purchases. When I bought the Wii U, I knew I was doing it mostly to play first-party titles, with MAYBE a few third-party things tossed in that I just didn't feel like getting on PC. Every console has something it can't do. My Xbox One will not be able to play Smash or the next Zelda. Even my PC has a bunch of shortcomings - in my opinion, it's a lesson in frustration trying to play games like DmC or Assassin's Creed with a board and mouse, so for those games, a different console is necessary. Just figure out what you like, and buy according to that. Also, try not to listen to corporate mongering. Yes, Reggie ranted and raved about the Wii U's commitment to third-party stuff, but I never believed him lol

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ejamer

Bah! The day has finally come: I regret my Wii U purchase.

Not because it's a bad system, but because my primary reason for buying was the thought that clearance pricing on the Basic models would be hard to beat. Over the holidays there were chances to buy a brand new Deluxe set with WindWaker for under $200, and our Wii U console has barely been used so far.

That said, still happy enough with the console and the price that I paid. It hasn't blown me away, and we're still playing Wii games more often than Wii U ones... but as long as X gets released in North America, all will be forgiven and I'll love my Wii U.

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