I would like to give some credit to gamestop though. By offering in-store preorders first, they did take an active measure to prevent scalpers Stinks that most were not able to take advantage (myself included) but at least it was offered. Of course one might argue that offering those bundles is a away to deter scalpers too...
@Ryu_Niiyama trust me I get it....I think we probably share similar opinions about avoiding a rush to the bottom in regards to price.I buy all my games new (including several capcom fighters) and avoid buying used. I will not, however, give a company as big as capcom a pass when it comes to charging too much for this particular product. In fact, when a company releases a similar game to one they already have and charges double,it harms the very idea of value in games. You have companies putting a lot of effort and value into games (see Injustice 2) who yes deserve every penny of that $60. Yet here we have a $15 dollar game masquerading as a $40 game. It only hastens a rush to the bottom as people would see how little difference there is to the $15 dollar version released nearly a decade ago, and feel ripped off. Yes, in some ways the 2008 release sabotages this release, because of its similarity and price. However, I believe Capcom should have recognized that and added more value to make up for the difference. In no way do I think I deserve an update for cheaper because I own previous versions-but I do expect the price to be in line with previous/other enteries in relation to value. I have never minded having to buy Separate 3ds and Wii U virtual console games for example, as they both have value in different ways ( one being portable, the other on a tv). Just because I own one doesn't mean I am entitled to the other. As a fighting game fan, I understand this version different then the previous release....however as I alluded to in my comment and a previous comment I made; unless you are a hard core fan there appears to be little difference, and the difference that is there is not worth the price. I almost never factor in price when buying a game...but in this case it's boarderline egregious. Look at the recent mario kart 8 deluxe release. It meets your qualification: it's not totally the same game. There were modifications and stuff was added....on the surface they look similar but fans of the game know there's differences. Yet they did not charge double for it ( and since all dlc was included, it was actually cheaper then the original release). Capcom should be put to task for not adding value to the package, it's not like this is a totally new game ( far from it in fact). I would happily support them ( in fact I have - I own Several street fighter games including 5...which I bought out of support for the series and on game play merit alone), but cannot see myself purchasing this at full price. I for one am glad they are getting this result in reviews. I hate to have to say that, as I am a street fighter fan, but it does help send the message that they can't just half bake something and expect it to be well received. For the record I would gladly pay $40 for this if it had $25 of additions over the 2008 release. I would have no problem. It's just that 2 "new" characters, a color editor, and some tweaks are not that value. To put it another way, if you were the owner of Street fighter 2hd on ps 3 would you pay $25 for an DLC pack that includes the tweaks and characters from this release? Would capcom be justified in charging that? Sorry for the long reply...I almost never like or think that cost should affect how a game is received, but I think there are times when it's appropriate and this is one of those times. The games community (reviewers included) should not turn a blind eye to a package where the value is so off, otherwise the wrong message is sent. You sound like a Street fighter fan, have fun with the game...as we both know the core game is great. As for me this package just does not have the content to justify its cost. I am glad it exists, but hopefully the critical response will help capcom to make more thought out decisions with future releases.
@Ryu_Niiyama The complaints stem from the fact that they released a very similar game 9 years ago and ,unless you are a hard core fan, appears to almost be the exact same thing except that it cost $25 more (more then 2x the cost of Street Fighter 2 HD). Would you buy a port of Smash Brothers Brawl for wii (released in the same year I believe) that added 2 "new" barely characters (Golden Mario and Emerald Link lets say) and be willing to pay $120 for it? (twice the cost of the release price of Brawl) Yes if you are a Street fighter fan, by all means buy it. I am sure it will be amazing. However, the price point is a legitimate complaint as more should have been done to validate the price. I mean its great that its portable and all...but If you have to pay twice the amount...then its like buying a game twice anyway (home and portable version).
While I get your sentiment about comparing this to Mario Kart 8 deluxe, I think you are missing a few important points here. First is that Mario Kart 8 deluxe actually has substantial and good additions, such as battle mode and true new characters (can you imagine if Nintendo added a palette swapped yoshi and toad and called them new characters for this), two weapon boxes (and new weapons), and the smart steering (Ok that is the dad in me talking- this feature lets my 5 year play much better). Also it includes all the DLC which I believe was 12 dollars when released. So really Mario kart 8 plus DLC was 72 dollars for Wii U, making the Switch version (edit) the cheaper version if you have the individual who has not owned it before. The real issue I (and several others will I am sure) have is that, aside from changes only hard-core street fighter fans will notice, the changes to this game are minimal. It is ostensibly the same game released 9 years ago on PS3 and Xbox 360 for 15 dollars. So if you count the 2 new characters as a $5 add on, lets say the price should be 20. So yes, double the cost for this new release. This is one of the few cases when I say the game media should take cost into consideration, at the very least to inform people. I mean I don't think this site would have given Mario Kart 8 deluxe a 10 if it had been priced at $144 (double the cost of Mario Kart 8 plus DLC), which then makes comparing USF2 and MK8D an apples to apples comparison. I absolutely love Street Fighter 2 and own it several times over, but I will be voting with my wallet on this one. There were several ways that Capcom could have added value to this...at the very least they could have priced the digital copy at $30 and put a trinket or cool manual to entice physical buyers at $40 (like puyo puyo tetris). They could have included another ready made game (like Dark Stalkers HD)...they could have included a straight port of Street fighter 3. I mean the 3ds got a better value with Street Fighter 4 at Launch ($40 - 6 years ago- on cartridge). Again I agree with your main sentiment, but I don't see an apples to apples situation comparing this to the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe review without doubling the price of Mario Kart 8.
While I was disappointed by the overall event. It was nice to see something so whimsical. Also great to see Star Fox looking sharp and Super Mario Maker looks to be amazing. Furthermore it was a fantastic surprise to get Earthbound Beginnings.
The whole Animal Crossing Wii U spot was the most disappointed I have ever been in regards to conference reveals about video games. In the grand scheme of life, that doesn't mean much at all...but it really did feel like the rug was swept out from under the collective feet of all those hoping for a proper release.
Now to don my tin-foil hat a little bit. It was quite a quick response from Nintendo to address the disappointment people where feeling, indicating that they do indeed monitor social media in real time. So they may have seen that the majority of people where quite disappointed that Retro's next game was (EDIT: Could possibly be) related to the DK franchise, and perhaps they pulled that from the presentation. It would explain the bananas well, don't you think? Like I said, tin-foil hat stuff.
Well, in trying to understand the ebb and flow of the video game world, it is likely that a lot of their (Nintendo and friends) resources are being transferred to the NX, and so filler games will be the norm until then.
As much as I like the character and the looks of the game, the globulous fall release date makes me think that they may be setting this up as the "big Fall release" due to Zelda being delayed. This would not be a proper substitute in my opinion.
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Re: Soapbox: The SNES Classic Edition Pre-Order Farce Proves Nintendo Hasn't Learned A Thing
I would like to give some credit to gamestop though. By offering in-store preorders first, they did take an active measure to prevent scalpers Stinks that most were not able to take advantage (myself included) but at least it was offered. Of course one might argue that offering those bundles is a away to deter scalpers too...
Re: Review: Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers (Switch)
@Ryu_Niiyama trust me I get it....I think we probably share similar opinions about avoiding a rush to the bottom in regards to price.I buy all my games new (including several capcom fighters) and avoid buying used. I will not, however, give a company as big as capcom a pass when it comes to charging too much for this particular product. In fact, when a company releases a similar game to one they already have and charges double,it harms the very idea of value in games. You have companies putting a lot of effort and value into games (see Injustice 2) who yes deserve every penny of that $60. Yet here we have a $15 dollar game masquerading as a $40 game. It only hastens a rush to the bottom as people would see how little difference there is to the $15 dollar version released nearly a decade ago, and feel ripped off. Yes, in some ways the 2008 release sabotages this release, because of its similarity and price. However, I believe Capcom should have recognized that and added more value to make up for the difference. In no way do I think I deserve an update for cheaper because I own previous versions-but I do expect the price to be in line with previous/other enteries in relation to value. I have never minded having to buy Separate 3ds and Wii U virtual console games for example, as they both have value in different ways ( one being portable, the other on a tv). Just because I own one doesn't mean I am entitled to the other. As a fighting game fan, I understand this version different then the previous release....however as I alluded to in my comment and a previous comment I made; unless you are a hard core fan there appears to be little difference, and the difference that is there is not worth the price. I almost never factor in price when buying a game...but in this case it's boarderline egregious. Look at the recent mario kart 8 deluxe release. It meets your qualification: it's not totally the same game. There were modifications and stuff was added....on the surface they look similar but fans of the game know there's differences. Yet they did not charge double for it ( and since all dlc was included, it was actually cheaper then the original release). Capcom should be put to task for not adding value to the package, it's not like this is a totally new game ( far from it in fact). I would happily support them ( in fact I have - I own Several street fighter games including 5...which I bought out of support for the series and on game play merit alone), but cannot see myself purchasing this at full price. I for one am glad they are getting this result in reviews. I hate to have to say that, as I am a street fighter fan, but it does help send the message that they can't just half bake something and expect it to be well received. For the record I would gladly pay $40 for this if it had $25 of additions over the 2008 release. I would have no problem. It's just that 2 "new" characters, a color editor, and some tweaks are not that value. To put it another way, if you were the owner of Street fighter 2hd on ps 3 would you pay $25 for an DLC pack that includes the tweaks and characters from this release? Would capcom be justified in charging that? Sorry for the long reply...I almost never like or think that cost should affect how a game is received, but I think there are times when it's appropriate and this is one of those times. The games community (reviewers included) should not turn a blind eye to a package where the value is so off, otherwise the wrong message is sent. You sound like a Street fighter fan, have fun with the game...as we both know the core game is great. As for me this package just does not have the content to justify its cost. I am glad it exists, but hopefully the critical response will help capcom to make more thought out decisions with future releases.
Re: Review: Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers (Switch)
@Ryu_Niiyama The complaints stem from the fact that they released a very similar game 9 years ago and ,unless you are a hard core fan, appears to almost be the exact same thing except that it cost $25 more (more then 2x the cost of Street Fighter 2 HD). Would you buy a port of Smash Brothers Brawl for wii (released in the same year I believe) that added 2 "new" barely characters (Golden Mario and Emerald Link lets say) and be willing to pay $120 for it? (twice the cost of the release price of Brawl) Yes if you are a Street fighter fan, by all means buy it. I am sure it will be amazing. However, the price point is a legitimate complaint as more should have been done to validate the price. I mean its great that its portable and all...but If you have to pay twice the amount...then its like buying a game twice anyway (home and portable version).
Re: Review: Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers (Switch)
@Lewieboy124
While I get your sentiment about comparing this to Mario Kart 8 deluxe, I think you are missing a few important points here. First is that Mario Kart 8 deluxe actually has substantial and good additions, such as battle mode and true new characters (can you imagine if Nintendo added a palette swapped yoshi and toad and called them new characters for this), two weapon boxes (and new weapons), and the smart steering (Ok that is the dad in me talking- this feature lets my 5 year play much better). Also it includes all the DLC which I believe was 12 dollars when released. So really Mario kart 8 plus DLC was 72 dollars for Wii U, making the Switch version (edit) the cheaper version if you have the individual who has not owned it before. The real issue I (and several others will I am sure) have is that, aside from changes only hard-core street fighter fans will notice, the changes to this game are minimal. It is ostensibly the same game released 9 years ago on PS3 and Xbox 360 for 15 dollars. So if you count the 2 new characters as a $5 add on, lets say the price should be 20. So yes, double the cost for this new release. This is one of the few cases when I say the game media should take cost into consideration, at the very least to inform people. I mean I don't think this site would have given Mario Kart 8 deluxe a 10 if it had been priced at $144 (double the cost of Mario Kart 8 plus DLC), which then makes comparing USF2 and MK8D an apples to apples comparison. I absolutely love Street Fighter 2 and own it several times over, but I will be voting with my wallet on this one. There were several ways that Capcom could have added value to this...at the very least they could have priced the digital copy at $30 and put a trinket or cool manual to entice physical buyers at $40 (like puyo puyo tetris). They could have included another ready made game (like Dark Stalkers HD)...they could have included a straight port of Street fighter 3. I mean the 3ds got a better value with Street Fighter 4 at Launch ($40 - 6 years ago- on cartridge). Again I agree with your main sentiment, but I don't see an apples to apples situation comparing this to the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe review without doubling the price of Mario Kart 8.
Re: Poll: What Did You Think of Nintendo's E3 Digital Event?
While I was disappointed by the overall event. It was nice to see something so whimsical. Also great to see Star Fox looking sharp and Super Mario Maker looks to be amazing. Furthermore it was a fantastic surprise to get Earthbound Beginnings.
The whole Animal Crossing Wii U spot was the most disappointed I have ever been in regards to conference reveals about video games. In the grand scheme of life, that doesn't mean much at all...but it really did feel like the rug was swept out from under the collective feet of all those hoping for a proper release.
Now to don my tin-foil hat a little bit. It was quite a quick response from Nintendo to address the disappointment people where feeling, indicating that they do indeed monitor social media in real time. So they may have seen that the majority of people where quite disappointed that Retro's next game was (EDIT: Could possibly be) related to the DK franchise, and perhaps they pulled that from the presentation. It would explain the bananas well, don't you think? Like I said, tin-foil hat stuff.
Well, in trying to understand the ebb and flow of the video game world, it is likely that a lot of their (Nintendo and friends) resources are being transferred to the NX, and so filler games will be the norm until then.
Re: Yoshi's Woolly World Knits Up Some Release Details And An Adorable Range Of amiibo
As much as I like the character and the looks of the game, the globulous fall release date makes me think that they may be setting this up as the "big Fall release" due to Zelda being delayed. This would not be a proper substitute in my opinion.
Re: First Passcode Released for Pokémon Shuffle
@Iggly I here you on that one...that was a frustrating battle...
Re: Guide: Everything You Need to Know About Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS
Great job on the servers Nintendo! Downloaded at 9pm PST. Downloaded quickly. Having a blast.
Re: Talking Point: What We Expect From Nintendo at E3 2014
Time is reporting a story about a Wii u starfox shown off by Miyamoto.
Re: Matters Of Import: Survival Horror In A Sweet Home
I must still be in Godzilla mode...I looked at that picture and thought it was Godzilla in red....
Re: Feature: What We Want to See in SNES Remix
When/where was starfox (SNES) released on virtual console?
Re: Game of the Year: Nintendo Life Staff Awards 2011
I would have to say my most surprising moment was playing skylanders and finding out it is actually pretty good.
Re: Yuji Naka Not Interested in Making Sonic Games
As long as he makes a Billy Hatcher sequel...were all good.