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@erv
Really? I've been seeing it's a must have. Nintendolife said 2D games are difficult to play with the joycons. I've seen many hands on impressions that said pro controller is the way to go with Zelda, Splatoon etc.

Switch is going to be flooded with 2D games. And you're forced to buy a pro controller to play them.
Nintendo needs to show us the must have game that uses this HD rumble technology.

@BertoFlyingFox
I keep seeing many here saying they will buy Zelda for WiiU. Some IGN editors said they are going to buy it on WiiU after playing both. I didn't say it won't sell on Switch. It will sell an easy million quickly. I'm just saying people are more likely to wait to buy Switch since many Nintendo fans already have WiiU and they already own MK8.
Games due get discounted quicker on PS4 and XboxOne but mostly due to very high competition. Most games get a December discount for the holidays too.

@Franklin I agree about selection. I could not care less about Pokémon or fire emblem. But they should be at launch.

@BertoFlyingFox killzone sold a couple million copies on a brand new system. It also had pretty good reviews.
Yeah some of those titles were on old systems. But there was no comparison on how they looked on new systems. Zelda is a WiiU game.
I'm not saying any system has great titles at launch. Switch has a port of a WiiU game.
Nintendo can keep their prices high because that's all somebody can buy for their system. It's buy Nintendo made games or play nothing.

@River3636
You're in your reality.

@River3636
"It would seem, the only people who think it is weak must have no job or no life. "
Sure man...Spin it how you want.

I was trying to be as ridiculous as your comment was. You basically called anybody who thinks the lineup is weak a loser.

@River3636
Launch lineup is weak period. I have a job, social life and I'm betting I can bench more than you. It will take me longer to beat Zelda than most. Launch lineup is still weak.

@WKE I think their point is valid. If others don't like Switch, we have another WiiU. Short life cycle with droughts in between Nintendo's great games.

I preordered two Switch's. One for me...one for my friend's kids. But I'm cancelling the one for my friend's kids. They love mario kart, mario, wiisports, donkey kong, mario party games etc. There's nothing in the launch for them. They already have MK8. The first game they'd like arrives in December.

@BertoFlyingFox
The PS4 launched with alot of 3rd party support. There were your online shooters (COD and BF), sports titles, racing titles, lego superhero game, Assassin's Creed etc etc. Resogun (a free game) is a better game than anything not named Zelda in Switch's launch. PS4 also offered the promise of the most powerful console available with a ton of games on the way. 3rd parties for Nintendo say "maybe in the future". That maybe means no original titles for a couple of years...and maybe a small number of (inferior) ports.
Switch is also launching against two hugely successful and more powerful systems with huge libraries of great games. PS4 and XboxOne had to win over gamers with who had the more promising future.

Switch is launching against two very successful consoles with years left in their cycles.
All these 3rd parties are considering Switch. That's great... but an original title would be years away if it was started now. That leaves us with inferior ports. PS4 and XboxOne launched with many 3rd party titles on the way. The Switch is launching with maybes.

Too many better games to spend my time with. If this was Switchsports, then I'd pick it up.

The games are the problem. If you have a WiiU, they really haven't given you a reason to buy the Switch.....unless you want to play WiiU games on the go.

@jaymacx I'd go for that .
It's crazy all the extra stuff you need to buy. The system doesn't come with a controller that suits 2D games smh

Surprised they didn't include a d-pad. Don't really want to haul around pro controller when portable.

@Skunkfish
I agree. Switch Sports....including bowling....should have been a no brainer.

@NEStalgia
I agree. I know many people turned off to Nintendo after Wii and WiiU. Nintendo will need home runs to win them back.

@NEStalgia
They still shouldn't charge new fans full price.

@datamonkey
I'm ok with that but those can't be considered major releases for Switch. The perception would be Switch is just another WiiU you can take out of your house (you could already play these games handheld in your home).
Paying the same price for MK8 is really gouging the fans (if it indeed launches at this price). While I'd like to have it on Switch, I'm not paying full price based on principle.

The Wii was all over the news. Nursing homes were using them. People were throwing controllers through their TV screen. People were getting their grandmas to play.
Some people are going to come home with the Switch and not have much to play...especially if they don't care about Zelda. The lineup is weak for the average gamer...and it won't get much better this year unless you are a Nintendo fan.

Where is the game that will sell that many consoles? WiiSports sold the Wii. I haven't seen anything in the first year that showcases the new controllers in anything other than gimmicky ways. There are things people will play once or twice...but there' s no Wii Bowling. Zelda is a big title for gamers...but how many will stick with the WiiU version?

@idrawrobots I have both and I agree that Xbox Live is more stable. Playstation seems more vulnerable to attacks and stays down longer. However, Playstation's is still very good for the most part. Party chat is great.

Sounds good. Can I get a bundle deal for PS4, XboxOne and Nintendo?

If it had all the features of the other two, I would be fine paying the same amount.

@duffmmann
Any confusion is because of Nintendo's poor communication. They are only talking about this app. Just because you can connect those things, doesn't mean they will be used in chat. I really hope so though.

@UmbreonsPapa So you work all day...come home and want to play online. Your phone probably isn't going to have much of a charge, so you'll have to wait while it charges.
To me, this whole conversation is ridiculous. Whether you have a smart phone or not.....how much battery you have.....using your minutes vs wifi.....none of it should be happening. You should not have to use your phone to chat online.

@FreakFerrett I'm 100% with you. It's ridiculous for people to have to use their smart phone.

@OzHuski
I'd never use the voice msgs. If I can't type, I'd just talk into the phone and have it turn it to text. But that's just preference, so it's good for you...useless to me.
It's cheaper for Nintendo to put the chat burden on your phone than to have it in their system. The power of the Switch is a result of cutting costs.

@OzHuski Yes I use the PS one often. It shows me who is online. Alerting people online is something PS and Xbox used to do automatically, but it gets really annoying. I think you can still do that, but it's not the default because nobody liked it.
You can't send voice msgs...but not sure why you would? And I don't think i'd ever join a chat if I'm not playing the game.

Nintendo isn't doing this for any other reason than to cut corners and costs.

@OzHuski PS4 and XboxOne already do this. There's the main PlayStation app which you can add friends, buy games, etc etc. Then PS Messages where you can msg your friends, setup game times etc.

@Ledgendt
I'm not sure about any of those. PS4 and XboxOne both have apps where you can do a lot of that (without turning on your console).
I can't imagine anybody who has used the PS4 chat system could think what Nintendo is doing is better.

@peeks
Which is one reason I wish Nintendo would just make handheld hardware and make games for PS4 and XboxOne. I know it's a very unpopular opinion for Nintendo fans. But Nintendo could use more advance hardware. As great as Zelda looks, it looks dated compared to Zero Dawn. They could focus resources on what they do best.....games.

@Ledgendt
Or you went to college and have a good job......

@peeks
I get both sides. The only way to make a company change is to vote with your wallet. There's really no reason for me to buy a Switch right now.....I have a WiiU and the flagship Switch title...and really only title worth full price....is a WiiU game. But here I am...buying a Switch....$70 pro controller (yet I will have these expensive gimmicky controllers that come with it that I don't need right now).
But I love Nintendo...and when they make one of their great games, there's nothing like it. Unfortunately for me, they don't seem to make the games I want as often anymore.

@Kroko Because nobody wants to run down their phone battery for something that should be included in the system. When you see how great PS and Xbox have incorporated chat, you realize how far behind Nintendo is. You shouldn't have to tie up your phone to play a video game either.
I keep hearing the comment about not wanting to hear strangers yell this or that. I use PS chat all the time...and I only talk to people I want to...and I only hear people I want to.
Of course....alot of this online talk is sort of a waste. Nintendo isn't offering a compelling game to play online (like a Destiny etc).

@8-Bit_Link
By owning each system, I'm able to buy the best games for each. Somebody who just buys Switch will buy Zelda and maybe a couple other launch titles. But for me, I'll buy Zelda and Zero Dawn for PS4. I'd suggest that instead of buying some average games for Switch, save up and buy another console.
And you are right......time is very valuable. It takes a really good game to make me spend time on it.

If i have to use my phone to chat, I won't bother with online games on Switch. I'll stick with PS4 and XboxOne for online.

@Donutman
I don't care if it's $100 if it's a good game.

@8itmap_k1d
I'd save your money. I know it's hard to resist Mario, but the game is way too short and it's not that interesting to play. Replay value is a placing coins in harder to reach areas.
And my friends in the UK....at least you don't have Trump.

@liveswired More importantly, Nintendo did.

@Adam Just like alternative facts.
It's called theft. While I'm tired of companies selling the same thing over and over, It's their right.

@Andrzej777
I agree about the hidden costs. Controllers are ridiculous considering Nintendo hasn't made a game using this tech other than in a gimmicky way. Most will want a pro controller. A stand. Carrying case. Memory. Etc etc.

Yeah, not sure why people can't see other's point of view. I will have a Switch day one. But I also understand everybody who says there's no reason to pick one up now, and I understand their disappointment.

@Jessica286
It is good they are trying something different. Let's face it....they cannot compete with Sony or Microsoft when it comes to tech. But they can lead when it comes to fun games. I just don't see anything yet that will win over anybody new. They must over deliver on the games.
Being overly secretive isn't a good strategy right now. Besides.....the other two shouldn't be able to copy what Nintendo is trying to do.

@Jessica286
I have no problem with what Nintendo is trying to do. I have a PS4 and Xbox and that's where I'll play Zero Dawn, Mass Effect etc.

The problem for me is...where are the games? I have a WiiU....so i don't need to get Zelda for Switch. The rest of the launch lineup? Nintendo isn't offering anything new or different outside of a tech demo. And let's not paint PS4 and Xbox One as a bunch of FPS. Nintendo hasn't offered me anything like Witcher 3 in a long time. Nintendo isn't offering an online experience like Destiny. Games like Tomb Raider play as good as any Nintendo game.
I understand games take time, but I'm not sure what Nintendo has been doing the last couple of years. I'd like a hint of how the features of Switch are must haves. They never did it with the WiiU (they barely implemented the gamepad into most of their games).

@ULTRA-64 "nothing new at all from Nintendo on their new hardware because everything is just old recycled Wii U games we wanted a better margin on"

I'm not sure how people can argue that this is a good launch. Zelda is a WiiU game. 1-2 Switch by all accounts isn't worth playing more than once.
There's nothing that takes advantage of the portability (how bout something like a Pokemon Go experience?). There's nothing that warrants the motion/rumble controls.
Of course, there's always somebody who will say they are happier than a pig in sh*#& with the launch games. That's great. But I think we are discussing how it will be received overall. With Nintendo, it's all about the games. And yes, launches typically won't have that many great titles. But Nintendo needed more because they really let down many fans the last couple of years (insert the happy pig comment next).

@OorWullie
Most reports I've read say they play better with pro controller.
I didn't like the motion controls in the last two Wii Zelda games.
Nintendo probably should have done a Switch Sports as a launch title.

I don't care if it's in Zelda. But I'd like something worthy to buy that justifies all this expensive tech built into the controllers. When is that title coming?

@Tru80zGamer
Thanks

@Tru80zGamer
Thanks......I'll keep checking.