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@Hotfusion Wow dude cool your jets. I find it amusing that people think they know how all this works. LOL.

@Quorthon You seem to do what basically Third parties are doing which is blaming Nintendo fans for their poor sales. Again, If third parties want better sales they need to stop making excuses,stop blaming fans for their poor sales of their games and also RELEASE FULL VERSIONS OF THEIR GAMES. They also need to stop poking at Nintendo too geez. Lastly you seem to do what you are blaming other fans of doing which is pretending that others are doing good. All three are not doing well right now lets just leave it at that yes they are making money but elsewhere they are losing tons of money and had to cut somethings back in order to make the bleeding less severe. Lastly people need to stop predicting things and stop with all this fair–weather nonsense Nintendo,Sony and MS are gonna stay in the Gaming industry no one is going anywhere. Geez cool your jets bro.

@electrolite77 It annoys me that people assume that they are always right and others wrong. There has been a lot of that here and I havent even been here that long.

@Cyberbotv2 So you are saying Nintendo should just give up then?

@Quorthon Sony is making profit on the PS4 but everything else they are losing money. With MS and their xbox one they are making a profit yet you call it a success story for them. But when Nintendo is making cash on their products even on Wii U yet its a mission failed for Nintendo. So I guess not making profit does not matter to you what actually matters is outselling your competition even if you have not made a profit. Yeah way to go on that front. Also MS cut the price for the Xbox one so they can match the sales of the PS4 that got them to take losses and got their shareholders angry. But of course to you what matters is selling more units than making actual profit but why bother since you believe you are always right and others are always wrong,wrong,wrong. Lastly releasing a new console now is a pretty crappy idea given it has lots SEGA tons and tons of money and it could cause Nintendo to lose tons of money which would be really bad.

@Quorthon blah blah blah that is all I hear from you. Thinking you are always right and others wrong. Stay far in the high clouds of jumping into conclusions dream land.

@JaxonH yeah I understand what you are saying. I am sorta like you I just play the games I want to play and that have my interest. I simply don't pay attention to all the negative stuff its kind of like the news which is mostly bad news. Just ignore people like him and just play what you like that's what I do I just ignore all that stuff and just game. He thinks by calling people fanboys and childish that proves his point when it does not. Just don't let people like him bother you to me people like him are like party poopers trying to ruin people's fun. Let him worry about all that stuff and blow things out of proportion.

@Quorthon wow bravo on point for calling someone childish. What is your problem? If you have a problem with fanboys why don't you just ignore them? What do you want to see? Mario dressed up as snake with Luigi blowing things up with bazooka's? You seem to blame fanboys for Nintendo's problems. Yeah it's them that are running things over at Nintendo (sarcasm). Seriously its really hard to impress gamers like you thinking that a company revolves around you when it doesn't work that way. Might has well just stop since no matter what a person says you seem to ignore it and think that you are always right when you are not. Huevon

@JaxonH dude you are not gonna win an argument with him. Why do you care of what he says? Is that gonna stop you and other that love those games to stop playing them? No. If that's what he thinks that's his problem not mines or yours. I like playing games that are fun and that I know i will come back and play them. To this day I still play NSMB Wii on my Wii U because its a really fun game. I tried against him but its almost impossible to win one against one that thinks Mario golf plays like Mario Galaxy. LoL.

@Ralek85 why are you comparing those tow?

@Quorthon What Nintendo needs to actually work on is their advertising and marketing heck I can come up with tons of ideas on who to do it. Like advertise it on fox sports and have a football player like payton manning play it and explain its features and the games it has LOL. I also have this feeling that they are severely understaffed they are juggling between the 3DS and Wii U making games for those tow systems and trying to make VC games for both they are like person that is unprepared trying to get ready while doing other things at once. They should also get others like SEGA or at least buy Capcom to make games like mega man. If they aren't doing anything with mega man why not just make him join the Nintendo game roster?

@Sceptic Lost it in what??

@Quorthon OMG!! See again you continue to ignore what I said!! Instead of reading or thinking on what I have said you call me ignorant!! So I guess you call everyone that does not agree with you ignorant or fanboys then. Look I already explained it to you many many times and you continue to ignore or call me ignorant instead of taking the time in thinking about what I have said. Seriously its like talking to a wall. Your whole comment fell apart by just calling me ignorant. Because you seem to have a problem with "fanboys" and you seem to call everyone that doesn't agree with you fanboys or that they are ignorant. Is that all you can say?

@Quorthon So you are saying that Nintendo should just go and bribe third parties to make games for them like Sony and MS? And how many times do I have to explain this?? If Nintendo makes a console that is so powerful third parties still refuse to work with Nintendo. They have said it themselves they would probably work with Nintendo if they would follow what MS and Sony is doing with them which is throwing money at them to make you games. No matter how powerful it is they still choose to not go and work with Nintendo. Its like people cant seem to sink all that in and realize it geez. Idk why you always put fanboys in your comments there are some that are not fanboys but will disagree with what you are saying. So please understand,powerful hardware will not make third parties flock like sheep to make games for Nintendo that ship has sailed long ago. The Gamecube says hi. That had good third party support yet it did not help the gamecube all that much. If third parties want their sales of their games to improve they need to stop all that bull and make good full versions of their games. So let all this sink in people seem to not realize it.

@electrolite77 Idk third party support for Nintendo is gone it is not coning back no matter what Nintendo does. They hate Nintendo they have said at times that they refuse to work with them. They said Nintendo should do what MS and Sony are doing with them which is paying tons of money just to make games for Nintendo. I find it annoying when people say that they need to "copy" the competition when it won't change the minds of third parties and it certainly isn't gonna make people flock to buy the new console.

@Sceptic I find it mind boggling that something isnt doing good and people blow everything out of proportion. Nintendo blew it by not advertising the console add that not enough games at launch and games like MK 8 should have been launched earlier. Those are the problems that put the Wii U in this situation. Putting in powerful hardware and a regular controller is not gonna make people flock like sheep to buy Nintendo's new console. IMO the Wii U is a great console it has that magic those other tow do not have. I invited my friend over to play Wii U we were having a blast and that convinced him to get one himself he told his family members about it too even my other friends are getting one. If Nintendo would have advertised the console correctly people would find out what it is and the great games it has and what it has to offer people will try it out they will like it then they will tell everyone they know about it. Those Nintendo mistakes is what has killed the Wii U. It is sad because it is a really great console.

@electrolite77 What I mean is that they do not need to copy what the others are doing. Again people seem to miss this, that even with a powerful console third parties will not want to work with Nintendo. Putting powerful specs on the gamecube certainly did not help them that gen and that had decent third party support.

@zool idk why you guys don't like the gamepad how else is Nintendo supposed to make their console look different from like the rest and like the Wii? And people cannot afford a Wii U apparently but can afford a Xbox one and PS4.

@Melkac that is not the point! What is the point putting in powerful hardware if it is not gonna change the minds of third parties. People assume that by just putting in a powerful machine that it will change the minds of third parties with a blink of an eye. Sony and MS have the $ power to swoop in those third party games for their consoles. Didnt you hear some of them say "If Nintendo embraces the approach that Sony and MS is doing we can work with them". Which means by bribing them to make games for you.

@electrolite77 and you guys don't seem to have this in mind. Even if Nintendo brings In a really powerful console its not going to make third parties work with Nintendo.

@zool yeah but only in games? Sony and MS are so busy with the specs war that they have the most powerful machine when it only benefits the third parties. Again even if Nintendo puts in a powerful machine third parties will still refuse to work with Nintendo. What I don't want happening is if they do it could be more expensive than the Wii U which will be tough for me.

@electrolite77 like how I explained it to another person putting in powerful hardware and a regular controller is not "innovation" its just following what others are doing. If you guys say Nintendo should do their own thing them why should they follow the footsteps of the rest? And its not like putting in a powerful processor isn't gonna open things fast or make smooth transitions through the OS.

@Melkac Thats just wrong. And I understand that there arent any games that use the gamepad alot but putting in powerful hardware and just a regular controller isnt gonna change much plus it makes the console look more like the twins also it just seems that you are copying the competition which makes it feel that you are out of ideas. Maybe you dont like sticker star but I liked the game from beginning to end. And his image is altered just because of one so called bad game!! What is wrong with you guys!!

@Melkac wow that is just so messed up. How would you feel if someone told you to retire on something you love doing? Thats just rude and wrong seriously.

@zool Then how do they differentiate themselves from their competition? Just add more powerful hardware and just a regular controller? Its like they believe that putting powerful hardware is innovation when it isnt.

@IceClimbers Dont waste your time they will not understand no matter what you say. I like Nintendo's approach finding new ways to play games like a competitive advantage. Nintendo does not need to just make a console that matches the power of the other tow and put in a regular controller then they have nothing to differentiate themselves from their competition.

Then why did miyamoto say after they released 3D World they are working on another 3D Mario title for Wii U? Was it just lies??

@Alucard83 I totally laughed when you said that a gamecube game can surpass SSB U. You have got to be joking.

@electrolite77 OK we get the picture that Nintendo is doing bad there. People don't need to bring it up every time. Its like when you lose to someone else and that one person you lost to brings it up all the time. Its annoying.

@Gamecubed well there is nothing they can do here about third parties that ship has sailed and isn't coming back. Third parties just hate Nintendo.

This game is really good. Its a shame that places like the UK just keep themselves away from these kinds of games just because there is no guns or that is a sport in those games. " Before I played COD I was a child after playing it I became a man!" LOL

Those Fifa games need to have a big thanks to Christiano Ronaldo and Messi because they are helping sell the game.

@Mahe So you are saying that Nintendo needs to give up then. The way you people think just blows my mind. " Oh no Nintendo lost the generation by one unit! Nintendo has lost it!" LOL.

@Quorthon I knew you wouldnt understand instead of calling me a fanboy I guess I am a fanboy who grew up playing with Nintendo, Sony and sega. SNES,PS1 and Sega Genisis. I think you did not stop and think after you read and I think you did not even read what I typed. I just dont understand why do you defend them? You make bogus excuses for them even when they did all that to Nintendo fans and Nintendo. You say because of online and underpowered hardware yet Nintendo could make a console that could blow the other tow out of the water yet third parties will not want to work with Nintendo. Again they have said and done so many many times that gave us an indication that they do not want to work with Nintendo no matter what Nintendo does. You still defend them even though all the crap they do that I explained to. They make excuses to why a game isnt coming to Wii U. They blame Nintendo fans for the poor sales when its their problem not making proper definitive versions of their games with all the DLC. They release the version of the game at the same time on all the platforms they release the Wii U version way later. I just dont get that, even with all that stuff I mentioned what the third parties have done you still defend them. I would also like to point out have the third party games ever help Nintendo sell their consoles? Even with the Gamecube which had good third party support yet it didnt help Nintendo win that generation even though they made profit off of the Gamecube. All I am saying is the image of the third parties isnt gonna change until they start changing themselves. Not blame fans for their poor sales of their games, release their games at the same time on all platforms,and release good definitive versions of their games. Again I would not spend my money on a game with no DLC or half of the DLC, and that is unfinished. If I have to drag myself into mud to explain to you my point then I will. Third party support is gone its not gonna come back third parties will not want to work with Nintendo no matter what they do even make the most powerful machine and still it wont change their minds. And to quit making it seem that its all that important when it has not helped Nintendo's consoles in any way like with what I explained with the Gamecube. And please stop calling me a fanboy I grew up playing with Nintendo,Sony and Sega even there are things I do not like what Sony has been doing especially charging for online and no backwards compatibility might not be a big deal for you but for others like my brother and I its a big deals since we have tons of PS3 games. Quit making it seem that third parties are important when it hasnt done jack and this is the nail in the coffin that third party support for Nintendo is gone and there isnt one single thing that Nintendo could do at this point and bribing isnt gonna do anything either. No please sit back and think about it for a sec on all the things on what the third parties have done. Yet they expect us to buy their games.

@electrolite77 thats because they dont. If you put tow games infront of one person a sports game like fifa and the other a really good game with excellent storyline and good characters they would pick Fifa over that game. Its like they dont care about those types of games. They want to be like christiano ronaldo or like messi.

On topic, its mind boggling that a big company like Nintendo does not know how to advertise their products. Nintendo you cant expect to sell tons of units of the Wii U when lots of people do not know about it. Geez bust out the big guns and market it. I bet if lots of people saw it on TV and actually know what it is they could try it themselves and will love it. They will tell everybody they know about it and will do the same. See how that works Nintendo? Get it together Nintendo!

@Quorthon I am sick and tired of people like you making excuses for third parties. Do you think blaming Nintendo fans for the poor sales of their games is gonna make people gonna change their mind? Do you think releasing crappy half baked games is gonna make their sales any better? Why on earth would I spend my money on a crappy unfinished game with little to no DLC and missing some other important modes like online? Maybe if they released their games at the same time has the PS4 and Xbox One and have all the modes and available DLC in them. And with Nintendo and the third party support dude I am sorry but that is gone and its not gonna come back. 3rd parties have made it clear time and again that they do not want to work with Nintendo even if Nintendo begged them they still will not want to. Add in the fact that the bogus excuses they make on why a certain game is not gonna be on the Wii U instead of telling the truth. Not sure why you people countinue to defend them when they pull all this crap releasing games late on Wii U, making them incomplete not the definitive versions of the games with DLC, blame the fans for the poor sales of their games, making bogus excuses has to why certain games are not going to be on Wii U. Its things like that as to why we dont like them they pull stupid stuff like that. And they expect us to buy their game when they are just crappy half baked junk. Buying a game that is incomplete that has little to no DLC missing some key modes and sell it at $60? no way man. Yet they expect us to buy their games. pfft yeah right.

@Joruus_Cbaoth please take off the troll shades please. Thank you.

@Quorthon dude no offense but if you were in charge of Nintendo those ideas wpuld be terrible. First off no saying its bad to have an achievement system but what the heck for? You just get an achievement and that's that. And I am not sure if its because of laziness or something but, can't you guys just buy a freaken drive and your set. Also with all those things your are storing in the PS4 and Xbox you are gonna run out of space quickly and that's if you buy lots of digital games. I agree on a price cut but I don't think Nintendo should do the same like what MS is doing. MS is cutting the price just to catch up to the "sales" of the PS4 and are taking hits from that and receiving punches from angry investors. And I want to explain something else no matter what Nintendo does even make a console 10 times more powerful than sony and MS that is not going to change things especially with third parties. Third parties just don't want to work with Nintendo and have made it clear on that indication several times now. I love Nintendo too but let's not forget why the Wii U is where it's at because of Nintendo's poor marketing and not having lots of good games at launch that ended up being delayed. Geez it's mind boggling when there is a problem people jump into conclusions and forget what the actual problems are.

@electrolite77 I don't even go to look at scores of a game to tell me what is bad and good. The only way to know is to play the games yourself. Plus people in those put in bogus excuses in those scores.

@Quorthon that's because they never are. Being real is one thing but saying things like they are "slowly becoming irrelevant" or that they should copy what others are doing it is pushing it and go with the "trends" and that is getting a little redundant.

@Quorthon again why do you say that I am delusional? You sound just like those shareholders at Nintendo never ever satisfied. It's their job to spoil little good news that comes around.

@Quorthon OK what ever you say Mr.negative.

@Quorthon Did you even read what I said? They are my opinions. And calling me a kid surely doesn't help your cause. What do we need achievements for? To get one just for turning on your console what other purpose are they used for? Good lord I find it pretty hilarious that people like you try to blow things out of proportion. Can you actually tell the future? You probably have stock with the company that's probably why you are never satisfied. Hmph!

@Quorthon I get really annoyed when people say that they are going the way of saga and people saying all this bad negative things mixed in when they don't realize the problem. Here is where I think Nintendo screwed up. The launch of the Wii U plus the lack of a big library of games and little to no advertising is the problem. Its not because of those third parties the GameCube had good third party support but that didn't help it win that gen. Again didn't you ready what I said!!?? If you care about those sales fine but to me (again to me) I don't give a crap. I find it kind of funny that when ever Nintendo is in a slump people like you go around spinning things around saying all these things when they are not part of the problem. Its what Nintendo did at the start is what killed the Wii U you guys seem to forget what the real problem is without advertising and marketing you are not gonna sell a lot of your products if lots of people don't know about it. Sony did it with the PS4 and bam they are selling PS4's. And pay attention when I say this please, those games on other consoles is what I see. Yes there are RPG games but those other games like shooters and zombies with violence and death do not interest me at all I don't have a PS4 yet but I am not gonna spend $400 on it just for 2 games like final fantasy and sonic. IMO I see those types of games and those do not interest me at all they don't have that "magic" feeling I get when I play them heck neither does my friend when he played the Wii U it convinced him to get one and now he is getting one and spreading the word. I bet if lots of people would know about the Wii U and try it they will love it and see how great it is. I swear though Nintendo and Wii U are the punching bag of the industry.

@Quorthon ahum so you are basically saying that Nintendo should get rid of the things that has gotten them success? And I am not entirely sure but isn't that what the other companies are doing? Are you a share holder or something because it sounds like you pay too much attention to the sales than the games themselves and nothing seems to satisfy them.

@Quorthon oh yeah if its about sales then all those sales MS has with the Xbox one and yet no money made off of those units. The black Friday deal has even killed them even more at still have not made any money off of the Xbox. Those third parties have been nothing but pointing fingers especially to gamers for the poor sale's maybe if they didn't make half baked crap and release full versions maybe we would buy their games. And like I have said IMO the Wii U is the best console out of the three yes there are games that are on the other consoles but they do not interest me I don't like shooters I don't like those weird realistic racing games I don't like games that have nothing but violence zombies and death and it makes it feel that is all they are doing. I want games that are really really fun not make me feel like I am in a movie theater. And again if you care about sales fine but I don't really give a crap about them has long as I am having fun with my Wii U. Lastly people have been saying there is evidence that Nintendo will go to the Sega route yet they are still standing. Adios.

@Quorthon good lord you are just like the shareholders yelling "do this and that implement that copy this" and again I am not sure why you guys defend 3rd parties? After all the crap excuses they make on top of that blaming Nintendo fans about poor sales and they expect us to buy their junk? And are hard drive's really that expensive? I like Nintendo's way than Sony or MS. And 3-6 Mario games a year!?? We have only had 2 for Wii U so far!!?? But anyways I will let you care about those worries. For me I like the Wii U and it is the best video game console this gen whether you agree with me or not I play on it more that Xbone and PS4 heck I haven't even touched my PS3 in over a year and the last time I played it was for FF 10. Their games just don't seem to interest me anymore has they used too (cough crash bandicoot) (cough spyro the dragon). You guys worry about "sales" while I am having fun with my Wii U.

@gage_wolf then don't by them no one is forcing you too. Besides didn't amiibo's just come out not too long ago?

@darthllama I don't get this whole "they need to learn and do what others are doing" nonsense. All Nintendo needs to do is just make a good Advertisement doesn't have to be like mind blown or something just a good one. At least its something.