
As we enter the final few major shopping days before Christmas, we're certainly curious as to whether this festive period will deliver the sales success that Nintendo craves. The picture appears to be relatively positive in the US, with November showing strong software sales and an increase over 2013 figures for Wii U hardware, with hopes that December will prove lucrative; the 3DS continues to dominate in Japan, too.
We'll certainly learn a lot more from a global perspective in mid-January (US NPD) and — more important — Nintendo's next financial results that will be issued at the end of January. While there could be positive results to boast of in Europe, meanwhile, the UK may be a concern, once again; though the latter half of 2013 brought progress, it's often been identified as a particularly weak market for Nintendo. If the data from MCV's annual retail survey is anything to go by, Nintendo's influence in the country's retail space has fallen very far indeed.
MCV polled "over 100 games stores - independents, specialists, mainstream outlets and online stores - to discuss what they felt about 2014", and in general Nintendo had little relevance or role to play in the sector. The company isn't featured at all in a category assessing publishers that best supported retailers, while the category highlighting the most successful game of the year had just one Nintendo title — Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire — that picked up just 2% of votes. Nintendo earned just 2% of the vote for best quality peripherals, while in a category determining which system retailers thought would 'rule' in 2015, Wii U and 3DS claimed just 1% each. One of the stronger voting categories for Nintendo — though still way down the field — was a 4% return for The Legend of Zelda on Wii U as the most anticipated game of 2015.
Of course, there are flaws with such surveys that seem to demand absolutes in their phrasing, but the full report is still an interesting read. It reinforces an impression we've gathered throughout the year in the UK, with shelf space and prominence of Nintendo products being continually marginalised and restricted in the face of rival products from Sony, Microsoft and also toys for the Skylanders and Disney Infinity ranges. It should be said, also, that while we can point to the nature of the survey not doing Nintendo favours, it would have likely scored very highly when DS and Wii were dominating the retail scene in 2007 and 2008.
The UK is but one relatively small market on a global scale, of course, and there's cause for more optimism in other territories. Quite whether Nintendo wants to play 'the game' of paying for shelf space and competing in that manner for retail real estate is also up for debate; perhaps the focus will be on its own official store — tellingly still UK-only in terms of its style and scale — and on pushing download content.
Whatever the ins and outs, Nintendo is certainly not ruling the high street in the UK.
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Considering what actually sells in UK, it's kinda surprising Nintendo ever had relevance there.
But I'm sure these surveys would turn out better if the WiiU had FIFA games.
I'm surprised they didn't try to boost sales with the new 3ds in Europe. I realize there is still plenty of stock for the other system but let the retailers put those on a heavy discount.
The British public is too miserable to enjoy Nintendo products.
Mario Strikers 3.
Constantly disheartened when I walk into my local GAME, wall to wall Xbox and Playstation with usually just one or two shelves for Nintendo. Obviously due to the other two playing big bucks for shelf space but it's still disappointing. Interestingly I had a conversation with one of the staff about this and they stated its just a purely a commercial decision, they don't see money in selling Nintendo. Indeed they told me they don't even necessarily bother getting some new WiiU releases in as they don't see the point. A shame.
I do console myself though by remembering that GAME is rubbish.
hmmm one look at the charts kinda suggests the uk market is doomed for any creative games.all we seem to buy is recycled franchises year on year .the closed-mindedness of the general public in this country makes me sad.
The only thing holding Nintendo back form selling more Wii u's is games. Third party games to fill the gaps between Nintendo releases.
While there is nothing wrong with the gamepad, it does not add anything much to a third party game.
If a game is released for the Xbox and PlayStation and plays OK without the second screen, then third party developers should release the same game for the Wii u and pro controller and not the gamepad.
@jord91 @CasuallyDressed
That's the spirit! Blame the customers, not the company.
It's not the retailers fault that they have shelves of Sony and Microsoft stuff, it's Nintendo's fault. Next time properly launch a console that has consumer appeal outside of the small grouping of Nintendo faithful.
I would say that at most retailers in the US, Nintendo products command a smaller, but still noticiable amount of shelf space. It's not the Sega Saturn where you just couldn't find the thing.
@OK_Commuter
I have to say I see the same things in Game too.
Walls at the front for Xbox 1 and Playstation 3 and 4. I have no interest in those consoles and games as the games seem to be all similar.
I love Nintendo games.
I don't seem to see many shops now that sell video games, the only main other I can think of is HMV in town.
Its not surprising because they never stock new and always at a none competitive price compared to Amazon / Shopto / The Game Collection / cdkeys.com
This is just adding to the myth that it's struggling more in the UK than the US. In the US, Nintendo puts out press releases saying hardware is up over last month, or up over last year. I can guarantee that in the UK, Wii U sold more in November than October, and more in December than November. I'm also pretty certain it's sold more in 2014 than 2013. So exactly the same stats NOA puts out, but Nintendo UK doesn't bother with the press releases.
The fact is, despite increases over last month/year it's selling terrible numbers in both territories. It was outsold over 5 to 1 by the 'struggling' Xbone in November in the US. 1.25 million to 245,000. That's a huge, huge gap. I'm not sure the Wii U has even sold 1.25 million all year in the US, but Nintendo puts a bit of spin in a press release about percentage increases and it apparently fools people into thinking things are not as bad? It's still behind where the Gamecube and the Dreamcast were after 2 years in the States. Doesn't sound too positive to me.
I keep hearing US posters calling the UK Sony land, or Microsoft land... but why? PS1 was the top selling console in the UK for that gen... just like the US (and Japan). PS2 was the top selling console in the UK for that gen... just like the US (and Japan). 360 was the top selling console in the UK for that gen... just like the US. People complain about FIFA selling well, but FIFA is a very well reviewed game, a lot better reviewed than Madden which the US buys up in it's place. Sports games dominate the US charts far more in fact. Last year's top 10 selling games in the US included Madden, FIFA and one of the basketball games.
@Peach64
We don't need the likes of you and your rational logic......best to get lost bud.
Oh well. I still enjoy the console for what it is and what it offers.
While the 'Next Gen' twins scrap it out over resolution and FPS,us Nintendo gamers concern ourselves with and squabble over tiny percentage rises and Club Nintendo territory rewards.I remember a time when it was all about the games and Blast Processing
@Peach64 The disconnect is in UK and the rest of Europe and indeed, in most regions worldwide, where the Wii U is performing better than in US/UK. Problem is that the US and UK are such major markets that it puts a huge dent in the Wii U's commercial viability when both markets hate it. If the Wii U was selling comparatively as well in US/UK as it was in, say, France, Germany, or Japan, it wouldn't even be struggling at all. Probably a solid 12-15 million LTD.
But there is no myth here. The Nintendo brand is absolutely toxic in the UK and probably always will be.
It does indeed paint a pretty depressing picture. And then I realize this is the first nintendo console I've not owned in 3 generations (I don't have any current gen). Whilst the price is attractive, I have played lots of U games and none at the moment are irresistible. Also I much prefer physical games to the download stuff for 2ds. I dislike going into GAME and seeing those download cards. I think they are a very poor way to fill a couple of shelves.
On the bright side, UK is smaller than Japan (population) but Wii U still seems to do better in UK than X1 in Japan, but I dont think anyone is writing off the X1 yet. Consumers, retailers, and Nintendo themselves, nobody seems to care aboutNintendo in UK. If Nintendo cared -in the slightest - Captain Toad would not have been scheduled to release in early Jan. That was just so wrong. At least DKCTF got pushed back to Feb.
Today I spent several hours looking for controllers for my Wii U. It's nearly Christmas and I have family over and it's the perfect time to crack out nintendoland and mario kart. Couldn't find anything. Most retailers have resigned Nintendo to a single shelf whilst Xbox and PlayStation dominate. It's really rather annoying and in no way helps Nintendo's situation if people who actually want to buy the console/games/accessories can't find them.
I'm just gonna repeat what i've said many times: Nintendo needs a firm European presence! You can't sit around expecting Europeans to look up US buzz and advertisement! (for games that are often delayed)
@OK_Commuter
Microsoft and Sony don't pay for shelf space in those stores. The decisions for store layouts are, no doubt, largely the same as GameStop in the US--organize around what sells, and if Nintendo stuff isn't selling, it's no wonder it gets marginalized. Publishers and the like will frequently supply advertisements, placards, and posters and crap, but it's up to the store management if any of it gets used.
EA once sent the GameStop I miserably worked at a cool box of promotional pins of characters from Crysis, Army of Two, and Dead Space 3. Not a single customer got one of these pins and the display was never used. The manager didn't even care what happened to the pins, so I took one of each.
@Punished_Boss_84
To be perfectly fair, customer buying habits drive marketing focus. If people are buying games for Xbox One and PS4 but not Wii U, then retailers will work harder to supply the stuff that sells for XBO and PS4 over the stuff that doesn't on the Nintendo systems.
Nintendoomed eh NLife?
What about writing WiiU is 2nd best selling console in France?
@Quorthon To add on to what you wrote, people tend to forget that Nintendo had a much larger retail presence in stores like Gamestop and Best Buy around 2007 and 2008 when the Wii and DS were the top selling systems. I remember my Gamestop stores locally had an entire wall devoted to the Wii and another one devoted to the DS, with the GBA games getting a prime location at the front counter.
People tend to think that these companies have some hatred of Nintendo or are being bought off. The reality of it is, retail stores what to have what is selling and what is hot right now. And those hot products are the PS4, Xbox One, Skylanders, and Disney Infinity, along with an assortment of tablets.
Plus, Gamestops are selling alot more stuff then they did back in 2007. Back in 2007, a Gamestop sold PS2, PS3, PSP, GBA, Gamecube, Wii, DS, Xbox, and 360 games and consoles. Now, Gamestops are selling not only game consoles and games, but also tablets, laptops, and Skylanders and Disney Infinity figures.
These stores need to allocate shelf space to what sells, and right now as much as it might bother people, it's not Nintendo. But before we act like Sony is buying Nintendo's shelf space, think about one thing. Namely, how small the Vita section is at many stores. And that is a system that is selling even worse then the Wii U.
Nintendo losing shelf space is not due to some evil plan to undermine them or drive them from the market. Simply put, its due to their current success in the market, which since the Wii U, they have struggled to reverse.
@CasuallyDressed The Irish public is equally miserable unfortunately.
This is all due to Nintendo's idiocy this gen. The fans here are riled up, but you guys need to face it: Nintendo has lost the plot, badly.
@Phil_Kavadias Why is Apple stuff not seen as "for dem gay geezers" I don't really understand that. (Looks above all else).
The games market in Britain is dominated by vanilla first person shooters which unfortunately most teenagers want. Character and charm plays no part in video games any more, it's very sad.
@CasuallyDressed "great" words of "wisdom" from a mod/some associated with the site. It shows what new low this site reaches.
Gee, I wonder why Nintendo is losing in UK. Constant delays for EU, idiotic marketing decisions, acting like they have no competition, archaic account system... Naaaah, that can't be it. In Europe, Nintendo is possibly the worst option, and yet the only thing that Nintendo with Iwata do is... complain. Great job.
@Peach64 Whoa whoa whoa way too much logic for me to compute.
Isn't it already given Nintendo is 'The Alternative'? It isn't going to 'WIN' anything, but not being 1st doesn't necessarily mean not making profit. We the fanatics will buy 99% of Ninty's products because we know they'll be fun, polished games worth our cash. We rarely trade them in 2nd hand either. We know when the new games are out because we watch Nintendo Directs religiously, we don't need to be bombarded by mass advertising. I personally think if your over a certain age and don't like Mario or Pokemon by now, you never will, and trying to advertise to that demographic is pointless. So Nintendo is catering to the converted and kids. You may not see the advertising but then do you read kids comics, or watch the youtube video's they do?
Personally I see the XB1 and PS4 as The Foo Fighters and Coldplay: Bands who have a very fickle beige following who own the 'greatest hits' of crowd pleasers. It works great on adverts and for people to sing along with in football stadiums. Meanwhile I'm here with my Wii U listening to the entire works of Elvis Costello going over every note, sentence, and concept committed to vinyl. I am part of a niche market, but I may spend 3 times as much on your average Boner/Coldplay fan.
@CasuallyDressed Hey, we aren't all like that.
GAME ups prices on popular Nintendo titles and accessories to above the RRP.
They often don't have a WiiU display unit, but usually do have for the XB1 and PS4.
They put the Nintendo stuff at the back and give it less space so you're looking at the spine rather than the front cover.
They wonder why people aren't buying Nintendo.
All that said, Nintendo doesn't help themselves. They don't push things like they should and it seems at the moment they have zero control over release dates.
Won't be at all surprised if Nintendo's presence in the UK vanishes altogether by next gen.
@Dave24 @Punished_Boss_84 Maybe he was joking have you both considered that?
@sub12 We don't need the likes of you and your rational logic!Oh wait you're just like the rest of us here in this site,blinded by our own opinions oh well better luck next time and then you might leave friendo.
@Mahe So you are saying that Nintendo needs to give up then. The way you people think just blows my mind. " Oh no Nintendo lost the generation by one unit! Nintendo has lost it!" LOL.
Those Fifa games need to have a big thanks to Christiano Ronaldo and Messi because they are helping sell the game.
Oh a survey, must be a useful measure then! What, like the 2013 NHS survey that found that people who take a lot of medication die before those who do not? No mention that the people who take a lot of medication are sicker than those who do not and so that is the likely reason for earlier death and not the medication in itself.
We know Nintendo are struggling in some aspects in western markets. We know the stores don't stock Nintendo products in the same ratios as Sony and Microsoft goods. We know British teens are more hooked into FPS type games than the offerings of Nintendo. So what? Does Nintendo really need the UK market? Other consoles are fine as long as the cognitive dissonance needed to stop people acting out game scenarios is not disturbed. Even though I feel like these realistic multiplayer blood fests are more of a glorified measuring competition than a true charcter-building experience, I still won't condemn anyone just for liking the genre. Each to his own. Perhaps there is more to it than I can imagine. Don't think it's for me though. I prefer Nintendo games. Grow a pair and stand up for what you believe in and who you are. What you think of yourself is more important than what others think of you (providing you are not certifiable). Are you really so insecure that you need to see the brands you like plastered everywhere all the time so you can be reminded of how well you fit in? Take a look at modern culture and decide how much you really WANT to fit in.
Wii U and 3DS don't have FIFA or CoD...so of course it isn't relevant in a country with such narrow minded gamers....
It's just such a shame the Wii U isn't getting the sales it deserves. But we can go on about whether the British have poor taste or not, in the end only Nintendo is to blame. Bad marketing and even worse naming of the console lead to a situation where even employees of some of the biggest retailers still not know the Wii U is actually not just a terribly expensive Wii peripheral. Wii U party basic SKUs are sold for anout £135 in the Netherlands and when I asked the girl behind the counter if she could believe these deals, she replied: "I feel its way too much for such an ugly tablet", in Dutch ofc And those are the people that have to inform customers.
Nintendo should have made the gamepad optional a long time ago, although I love it to bits. Then it would have been possible for them to compete because they could price it really low; prices could have been £99 this Christmas giving the sharp decline in cost for the components. The gamepad is dragging them down, also due to the fact that the predicted productioncosts of the gamepad didn't go down as planned.
With better advertising, a better name and an optional Gamepad (which Ninthousiasts would have bought anyway for £75 - £100) I honestly believe they could have sold 20 million by now, just with their own library alone. But íf they performed like that, there would've been way more 3rd party support to fulfill the needs of the British.
All I know is that I'll be playing U games for years to come, like I do with all my other Nintendo consoles, but there's no way in hell I'm keeping the PS4 plugged in a day longer than necessary. I hope some day the new generation will start appreciating Nintendo again or at least demand the same quality that Ninty had been giving us over the years; cause a world filled with Ubisofts and EAs, is a world I don't wanna live in!
@CasuallyDressed no idot i am from nes 8 bit days and before and been though nearly ever console there are hardcore gamers and young ones like you that only know fifa and cod.
people are the same all over the world.
There is nothing in the slightest, worrysome about this.
It's the younger gen gamers that buy cod and fifa and a lot of younger gamers only know tablet games like rubbish birds and after that they know xbox. There are older gen like me that grew up before 8bit nes the days of tapes that took 45mins to load .
My gen grew up with just japanese games and SNK neo geo.
It is a pity that fifa and cod sells well in the black friday sales here they where pushing xboxones hard 260 with 3 games and a micro tablet. Most the time is because the wii u is high in price and people can't afford one.
the other is because people are like sheep so if their friends get xbox or ps4 they copy. I play ps4 as well but like wii u best i hear people on ps4 chat call wii u wiip00 and i tell them off as they don't know real games.
I buy loads of wii u games make its just a few that keep nintendo going here. The price doesn't help as many other brands like ps4 sell the console at a loss so people buy the games and it makes up the price. ie..... you need the console to play the games.
What does sell in the UK? FIFA (mildly racist guess)? But seriously, I don't know
Makes me laugh seeing people blaming the public dog Nintendo's failures. For some of the zealots on this site Nintendo are never to blame, it's always someone else's fault. The Wii U can't be failing because of the Gamepad being unpopular or the lack of games or the lack of advertising or the absence of third-party support or Nintendo's historical disdain for/disinterest in the UK (lots of stupidly late releases over the years-still happening now with Captain Toad).
No, it can't be that. It's the people's fault. Sigh....
@Peach64 Yeah like a survey is actually representative of the entire region. We don't even know how many people were questioned in that survey anyway. Lets face it UK to me is practically nothing without the rest of Europe and I recently found earlier its been doing quite decently in France http://playeressence.com/nintendo-of-france-gives-more-sales-numbers-for-wii-u-3ds/ Also the point is Wii U is improving and there have been many signs that perception is in fact changing for the better. From what I hear it was essentially 200k above last years numbers which isn't a bad improvement. There is a reason some people call UK Sony and MS land the only things that seem to sell in UK happen to be COD, MADDEN, AND FIFA. Its not really a fair comparison anyway since when put up against the US UK is the smaller market.
Maybe if GAME were actually good at stocking Nintendo products and not hiding them in the back of their stores, they would get some better customer experiences. I've actually had a terrible time with them lately one which has led me to miss out on the first edition set for Bayonetta 2. Their online service has declined so much in the last year or two as well. This is the problem when they run almost unopposed in the high street market.
I understand that Nintendo has various departments around the world but it seems like they are so inconsistent depending on where you live. In Canada we rarely see Nintendo ads. We saw a rush of ads for MK8 and SSBWU but it's pretty quiet for the rest of the year. In South Korea (also where I have lived), Nintendo is never on tv, never advertises and yet, South Korea is a massive gaming culture. Nintendo goes over the top for Japan, which I get, but it's not like Japanese customers are overly loyal to them; they have stiff competition from Sony. I guess Nintendo has decided that it will battle in some countries and leave other markets alone. In the long run, the lack of communication from Nintendo and their track record of poor relationships with third party developers will lead to lower sales. They need to readjust their projections if this is their business model.
God what's wrong with people in the UK... every time they disappoint.
@dumedum
It's not the people in the UK. We bought the Wii by the bucketload and the games to go with it. This was a result of some bad decisions by Nintendo both in the design and promotion of the Wii U. It doesn't inspire confidence when third party developers jump ship so soon. No one likes to think they are buying a lemon.
I should know ... I bought a Goldstar 3DO and an Atari Jaguar
Reading some of the comments about how stores in the UK only have a small section for Nintendo sounds familiar. In my area here in Canada, Nintendo only commands a very small portion in the video game sections of stores like Walmart. Even in something like Gamestop/EB Games, I find the Nintendo stuff is kind of back in the corner while they have Xbox and PS front and centre.
Maybe this is just my area though? I don't know. But the Wii U selection is always very limited wherever I go.... so I just buy all my stuff on Amazon nowadays to avoid wasting my time. I've only seen a handful of ads on TV for Nintendo as well. Xbox and PS4 are advertised like crazy on almost every station.
You can't blame the folks over in the UK, nor can you really blame the retailers for not stocking what doesn't turn a profit. Nintendo dropped the ball with the Wii U. Marketing has generally been poor everywhere, and the name is horrible. They also failed to realize that third party games need to be there in order to fill the gaps between major first party releases. People underestimate the selling power things like sports games. There are people who buy the new Fifa/NHL/Madden/whatever every single year. The average person will probably not buy more than one game system, so if you can't get the new Fifa/NHL/Madden on the Wii U, that's a drawback.
I thought most of the UK bought games at grocery stores?
@CasuallyDressed hey I love nintendo and have owned and still do, every console since the nes. I do however hate their stupid e shop policies.
@Gamecubed well there is nothing they can do here about third parties that ship has sailed and isn't coming back. Third parties just hate Nintendo.
@electrolite77 OK we get the picture that Nintendo is doing bad there. People don't need to bring it up every time. Its like when you lose to someone else and that one person you lost to brings it up all the time. Its annoying.
Let's be honest here, the only real reason the Xbox One is suddenly selling well anywhere is because Microsoft went into panic mode and have been practically giving it away for the last couple of months.
The console launched for over £400 last year with enforced Kinect, so didn't sell that great and worldwide sales have been behind the Wii U all year....fast forward to Black Friday and nearly every single website is promoting Xbox Ones with 3 or 4 games including latest stuff like either Assassin's Creed Unity or GTA V or whatever for around £299. Of course that's going to capture the public's attention, they think they're getting all the latest stuff at a bargain price right before Xmas.
So I'm not surprised in the slightest that Xbox One sales have suddenly shot up. Wii U prices are of course also lower than they were at launch now too but you usually only get one bundled game (albiet a brilliant one like Mario Kart or Smash Bros), and Nintendo didn't do any prominent price slashing right on top of Black Friday/Xmas like Microsoft did.
Xbox One's even finally overtook PS4s in terms of sales, why not mention that too?
Point is, Nintendo really need better marketing and pricing like Microsoft (and Sony last year) in order to grab the public's attention and make them buy.
I also don't understand the mentality of gamers either. On any given day, I can read at least a few websites (including UK centric ones) full of people complaining that they've bought a PS4 or Xbox One and there's hardly any games on it they want that haven't also been released for previous gen, and they're sick of games like The Last Of Us and GTA V that only came out last year just being re-released again at full price. Yet these people will still stubbornly stick to their guns that buying a PS4/Xbox One during 2014 was a better decision than buying a Wii U that had Mario Kart 8, DK Country Tropical Freeze, Bayonetta 2, Hyrule Warriors and Super Smash Bros as major exclusives all in the same year, and a recent back catalogue including Pikmin 3, Zombi U, Zelda Wind Waker HD (a game that hasn't been around for a while and was actually worth bringing back) and Super Mario 3D World.
SMH
i am in no way saying that nintendo is blameless,as most non gaming people still have no idea what a wii u is,i was just saying the narrow minded ness of this country makes it all much worse,talk to tge average uk gamer n they all want the same thing .exactly what their friends have cos its the popular predictable option
my friends at school used to mock me cos i talked about mario galaxy instead of cod lol that says it all
i do think amiibo will break the uk tho and force retailers and casual minded consumers to take notice.which will undoubtably be a step in the right direction .
It's hard to pin point where the issue with the UK is. FIFA will always do well here, for obvious reasons. And not having it on the Wii U, as much as I despise the game, will hurt Wii U sales.
I think it's largely down to marketing and branding. It appears to me that the UK market is a lot younger than most and Nintendo is not seen as "cool". The majority of teenagers want to appear to be "grown-up" and so the xbone appeals to them. Nintendo is no longer seen as cool. It done well with the Wii because it tapped in to the family market, but that's no longer there.
@Peach64 - absolutely true. There's so much UK bashing and no US bashing but these idiots are so dumb they don't realise that the US market is almost the same.
@sub12 - funny that, because I was thinking the same thing about you.
@CasuallyDressed Are you for real?
Also are you a mod here at NL Mr Happy? I'd expect a better, more thoughtful, intelligent answer than your sweepingly-bad generalisation of an entire nation than you gave.
You sir, have really loved me off.
If I was Nintendo I quit worrying about beating the other two and focus on the sea of customers who still don't know about the Wii U. I would put my retail focus on places like ASDA and Tesco's who will get my prime audience. I would put more focus in places like ToysRus.
I think it's time for Nintendo to sell a branded official external HDD that comes with some eShop credit. Let Nintendo customers know about the eShop. If the majority of their sales came from eShop they would be making much higher margins.
I would get into malls and start touring like the days of the Wii. I would flood shows like X-factor and Christmas specials with ads of products that appeal to that audience like Mario Kart 8. I would spend my money on those kinds of things.
As for core gamers I would fix the bloody website so you can easily browse and BUY games in the UK. Right now none of the titles come up with their search thing. I would also focus on getting viral marketing going on Youtube and other social networks and really try and get the message to core gamers about the cool lineup of Wii U titles.
And finally I would make an incredible starter bundle that included Smash Bros and Mario Kart 8 and some Amiibos.
Poor ad campaigns, most people dont even know the wii u is a new console.
Game has sold out to Xbox and play station, but to be fair they charge on average £10 more per game than other shops and £10 more than thier own online store.
Also the atmosphere is appalling in game nowadays filled with Xbox yobo's, if your a ninty you are intelligent so you shop smart which means you will buy online or elsewhere, where the product is well represented in price and atmosphere.
It is true the UK high street is dead, and with Tesco being the only supermarket still stocking Nintendo (be it a small selection). Online is the way forward.
I look at the whole high street experience and find that nowadays shopping in town is such a waste of money, to park for three hours is £6.80 (that could have been an indie game purchase) trapesing around shops which either have overpriced titles or none you want to buy, or sale where the prices are still more than online. The money wasted on lunch £6 ( or another EShop purchase). The answer is : STAY IN, BUY ONLINE, PLAY GAMES, MAKE LUNCH!
A tv advert once in a while might help with the situation. Since lunch nintendo's efforts in the UK have been nothing short of a joke.
I'm beginning to wish Nintendo just give up on the UK market altogether... might as well.
@xboxfanuk I really agree about the eshop part of your comment. Even on this site where you'd think most people would check out the offerings that weren't first party or virtual console, you generally get a majority vote like 34% "nothing for me this week".
@Grumblevolcano What do you expect when half the 3rd party eshop offerings are iOS-tier shovelware crap.
@Quorthon
While that's a very good point, that just comes back to Nintendo's inability to gain a truckload of games. But the customer is never at fault.
@midnafanboy
Even if he's joking, I don't believe for a second the comments made below are joking either. And it nots funny at all.
This is really a sad day indeed for Nintendo UK, if the 4% market share stats are true. Yes Wii-U is recovering in the USA much like how 3DS did. For the time being,
PS3 and 360 still have greater market penetration in the US compared to Any of the next gen consoles, though that statistic may change after this holiday season. It's a three way rat race right now but it's close with Nintendo only trailing slightly behind Xbone and PS4.
Sorry Nintendo is losing market in UK and Europe, but with NOE is even more reluctant to advertise than NOA, what can I say?
@Kaze_Memaryu its clear to me that you know nothing about the UK.
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I am British and own a wii u, but thats because im a nintendo fanboy. i have not seen a single Wii U advert on TV or any sort of promotion at all for a long long time. Even the launch was total crap with little to no TV advertising etc. the shelf space Nintendo takes up in game stores compared to other consoles is pitiful. This is Nintendos fault not ours. the average consumer doesn't even know the wii u exists! and how would they if there's no bloody advertising! Nintendo need to step up their game MASSIVELY over here, its the same everywhere in europe, Nintendo are doing a TERRIBLE job of advertising their console. I want the best for them, but this is ridiculous.
I used to work in GAME and all the managers cared about is making money. The staff don't really know what they're talking about but sure why would they care they're on minimum wage. I'm not being funny here but even Nintendo Reps would give out miss information on release dates.
UK has never seen Nintendo as a popular choice, for the exceptions of NES, SNES and Wii, it seems to have always been a challenging market. There are a few different ways Nintendo can look at this but I think Iwata has the right mentality in thinking that there is much potential in UK and Europe as a whole.
As for the performance of the Wii U, I can distinctly remember UK based publications basically out right telling people to not buy a Wii U until its in the bargain bin. (When I seen this I did wonder how this actually helps the games industry... the industry they work in... colour me surprised!). MCV's editorial generally report on the negative side when it comes Nintendo, one could argue they are part of the Nintendoom club. A year an a half of negative reporting has effected the public's perception of the Wii U.
I'm very happy with the Wii U and most people seem to think market share is all that matters but look at the state of Sony if the PS4 had a similar launch to the PS3 I don't think they'd be trading as a company. How long are Microsoft happy to let the XBOX division bleed money from the company. In the end of the day Nintendo make great games and are trying to turn the Wii U business into a positive one. Which neither Microsoft or Sony can do without 3rd parties. It's not about market share for Nindento any more it's about making profits.
@koochiekoo Well, somebody can't take a joke.
@Punished_Boss_84
We need to get over this childish notion of "who's to blame" and "who's at fault" because people get offended at nothing because of it. If you like the terms "fault" or "blame," the customer does partially fit those terms.
But the reality is that customer buying habits impact market focus of corporations. It always has and it always will. Companies can try and try to sell turds to the public, but the public will not always fall for it--no one fell for the Edsel, and the public turned hard against the Pinto.
Every dollar (pound, euro, rupee, yen, kuatloo, gold-press latinum etc) you spend is a vote for the marketplace you want. If customers are not spending those "votes" on Nintendo products, it's clear that the public does not want those products as much as something else--if they want it at all.
This drives market focus. Retail outlets will cater to those dollars (etc), and manufacturers will work to appeal to whatever is popular at the moment. Look at the last generation, we have a perfect example: The Wii Remote. The Wii Remote was so ridiculously popular that it altered the corporate focuses of both Microsoft and Sony to come up with something to compete with it.
Is the customer sometimes and partially at fault? If you want to use those words, then yes, clearly the customer is partially at fault, because without customer spending, the market has no direction. Companies aren't going to release and sell a bunch of crap that doesn't make money and that's being ignored by consumers. That's how it works. That is supply and demand. If words like fault and blame bother you, you might want to get over them because this is how it works.
I don't care about pointing fingers or finding someone to blame. I care about facts and reality. The reality is: Customers determine what is produced, and customers determine who wins and loses at retail. No company is going to continue to try to sell a losing proposition. At some point, they all cut their losses. Unfortunately, gamers voted (with their money) against the Wii U, and Nintendo fans in particular, voted against third party support. It's no wonder the Wii U gets marginalized in store fronts. What the hell would you expect to happen?
@originaljohn
Much of your post is quite good, except for the very bottom part, where you mention making profits. Unfortunately, without revenue from third party support, Nintendo's profits hover quite low, as we've seen with two straight years of losses and mingling reports that they're "turning it around now" but no real solid information that they're actually profitable.
We need to stop acting like Nintendo is some kind of sacred cow that can "totally go it alone forever." That's not true, and even Nintendo understands this, which is why they took such drastic measures with the Wii--because they largely went alone on the N64 (most notable games developed by Nintendo or Rare), and it was damaging enough that the GameCube was starting from a losing position--the new entrant of the generation, the Xbox outsold the GameCube.
Development costs are far higher now than when the GameCube was out. Without revenue from subscription services or third parties, etc., Nintendo's profits become more and more limited. Which means they have to change their focus from "profits" to "survival." That is not a position you want to be in as a corporation.
I do agree with you on Sony. The company has been in bad shape for the better part of a decade, and it was noted that the PS3 largely reversed the fortunes the company earned with the PS2 and PS1. Sony has also lost a competitive edge to other companies like Panasonic and Sharp, and specifically Samsung, who is really the new Sony.
This is why it so annoys me to see blind Nintendo fanboys (and I'm generalizing here, not targeting you specifically) act like Nintendo is some kind of weird invincible company that can fail forever and be fine. Sony has been on a failing edge for, as noted, the better part of a decade. They sold a billion dollar office building and the Viao PC division, and still had losses for that year. The PS4 is a return to resounding success for the Playstation brand, and Sony is reportedly putting more emphasis on the gaming division (which they're doing quite well), but it doesn't mean the company is on safe ground yet. If the PS4 had launched and fortunes between it and the XBO had been reversed, Sony could very well have been in danger--of ceasing to exist.
Whenever Nintendo fans talk about how Nintendo "doesn't need third parties" and can "do just fine alone," the reality is exactly the opposite. They are then effectively asking for--at best--Nintendo to spend several years scraping by, hoping for a PS4 of their own to reverse a small part of years of losses, or at worst, exiting the hardware side like Atari and Sega before them. Two console makers whose final consoles struggled to have any 3rd party support.
And before anyone tries to pull the old special pleading of "well Nitnendo has Mario and Zelda, etc.," keep in mind that at one time, Atari's franchises--Centipede, Haunted House, Missile Command, things like that--were the Marios and Zeldas of their era. Sega also had first party titles every bit as loved as Nintendo's. One mistake these two made was a failure to evolve--and that included in their core franchises, which they thought would continue to garner sales on nostalgia when they had little else.
As I pointed out before (elsewhere), nostalgia may be a minor strength for Nintendo, but it is arguably a worse weakness. Every time Nintendo banks on the same old franchises over and over again, I can't help but see Atari--still trying to sell hardware with the same old Centipede game on the Atari 7800. To the gaming public outside of the core Nintendo fanbase, they don't see "another great Zelda game," they see a company that is still banking on the same old franchises over and over again.
Suffice to say, Nintendo going it alone? That is not something to celebrate. That is when we should be the most worried. All that money they made last generation wasn't just because the Wii and DS sold like gangbusters, but because there was so much software and 3rd party support on which Nintendo was making boatloads of revenue. The Wii didn't sell because it said "Nintendo" on it, and even Nintendo seemed to understand some kind of negative stigma had formed around their company name, which is why officially, the console was just "Wii," not "Nintendo Wii." The Wii sold as a motion-controlled fad--one that had run its course (as sales dropped dramatically) around 2009/2010. Nintendo fans put too much stock and value on Mario and Zelda and Pokemon (the Pokemon Company is actually a second party, I believe), when what really brought them success last generation, was Wii Sports and waggling all the way to the bank. The only reason those Mario games sold so well was because the Wii did, not the other way around.
Stupid Brits don't know what is a good game. Sad, really! By the way, Amiibo are selling like hot cakes here in Australia which is fantastic news! This country also has bad tastes in games as well!
@Peach64
While what you say is true for maybe the top 10 games but that's just missing the full picture where middleware software does a lot better in the US than the UK.
The UK is an extreme version of the US. Lesser known, smaller titles always sell proportionately less and the only successes will be licensed games or the biggest most advertised titles. The average buyer in the UK doesn't diverge from the norm and people will only play the games that everyone else is.
@Quorthon I agree with much of what your saying, Nintendo by themselves is a very bad situation, hell even 3rd parties don't want Nintendo taking up potential shelf space with systems they don't support. They have a lot of work to do with building confidence to 3rd parties and customers. However Nintendo made massive profits on the hardware in the last generation in both departments. Sony and Microsoft sell both their systems at a loss at least initially therefore both heavily rely on 3rd party licencing. The 3DS and Wii U where the first systems Nintendo launched at a loss and initially neither system resonated with their respective markets. This and the fast decline of the DS and Wii businesses hit Nintendo very hard hence the last 3 years of losses. The transitional costs of moving from one generation to another are very high and in the Wii U's case it has taken very long for the install base to become profitable for Nintendo let alone an 3rd party. In saying that I'd wager they make less money on licencing 3rd party games than selling 1st party games.
I'd also wager Amiibo's exist to replace money from licencing 3rd party software, to act as a gap filler between big 1st party games, which is a great move for them as they will have revenue coming in and complete control over releases. This Christmas has been a complete mess for Amiibo's but it has shown there is massive demand for them. In 2012 Activision announced the Skylanders business surpassed $1billion source: (http://investor.activision.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=739250). The question is will Amiibo's generate that kind of revenue? Personally I can't see why they wont.
'Nintendo fans put too much stock and value on Mario and Zelda and Pokemon (the Pokemon Company is actually a second party, I believe), when what really brought them success last generation, was Wii Sports and waggling all the way to the bank. The only reason those Mario games sold so well was because the Wii did, not the other way around.'
Wii Sports was a new IP which expanded the industry. It brought a new audience into GAME stores that would never have entered before. But I'd also like to think Mario games tend to sell well because they are very high quality games.
@originaljohn
On the Wii U, Nintendo is definitely going to be making more profit--what little will occur--on 1st party over 3rd party, unless we ever actually get solid data on the eShop. On all previous Nintendo consoles (sans the Virtual Boy and maybe N64), the bulk of Nintendo's profits came from revenue from 3rd party games. We need to keep in mind that, even with the high "sales" of Wii Sports, they didn't really make money on them.
While in the past Nintendo sold the consoles for profit, it was not a whole helluva lot of profit. A better way of looking at it would be "not sold for a loss" since the profit margins on hardware have always been low. This generation, by they way, features a full reversal of the past few generations--both Sony and MS have noted that they are selling the hardware for profit this time.
My point about Mario games had nothing to do with quality. For the most part, they are high quality, but the reason they sold such high numbers on the Wii is because the Wii (due to the fad) had high sales, and keep in mind, New Mario Wii and Mario Kart Wii and (I think) Mario Galaxy were all packaged with Wii Sports and the Wii at various points.
I don't think Amiibos will reach the revenue of Skylanders for a few very simple reasons:
1. They have no dedicated game to sell them.
2. They are mostly being sold as collectibles, not game-use toys.
3. They only work with 2 platforms. Skylanders, by comparison, is on no fewer than 6--3DS, Wii U, X360, XBO, PS3, PS4, IOS, and I think PC and Android. Amiibos have no chance to sell as well as Skylanders.
4. Nintendo has been extremely half-assed with supplies, shipments, and news on whether or not they're going to discontinue some of these or when. Skylanders, meanwhile, has plentiful stock everywhere.
Amiibo will not reach that billion dollars in revenue, and I think it's logically incorrect to say Amiibos will replace revenue from 3rd parties. Nintendo doesn't have to spend anything to make money from 3rd parties, for one thing, but they do have to spend money to manufacture and ship the Amiibos, which no doubt, cost a lot more to ship than games.
I also don't see, thus far, how much of a future Amiibos have, whereas we are all very aware of the future Skylanders and Disney Infinity toys have, as dedicated sequel games will be released. If I had to make a guess based on current information, there will be a demand for Skylanders at this time next year--but I'm not sure if the same can be said about Amiibo. Once the collector's are done with them, what more do they offer? Thus far, their uses in games has been less than impressive.
The long and the short of it is, the only thing that will replace lost 3rd party revenue--is more 3rd party revenue. Even the otherwise popular 3DS has barely a shadow of the support of it's predecessor. EA, Ubisoft, etc--they were all still churning out DS games throughout it's life. The same is not true of the 3DS, where most of the third party support is licensed software and not a plethora of original titles, or portable versions of major titles--such as Call of Duty.
I understand you're trying to find other ways for Nintendo to drive up some income, but at the end of the day, all consoles, even Nintendo's, live or die based on the third party support they have. It's not just the revenue from those game alone, but that third party support means being able to sell hardware to a wider audience. We, as Nintendo fans, understand the appeal of a lot of their stuff (some of us better than others, when we realize there's far more to the company than just Mario-Zelda-Pokemon), but while Nintendo's brands may look to have wide appeal, sales indicate that they do not. The Legend of Zelda is not and has never been a major system seller to anyone not already interested in the franchise. To appeal to wider audiences, Nintendo needs something more than their core franchises. That means developing and heavily promoting new IPs (which they won't have on the 3DS or Wii U until next year!), snagging 3rd party support, and having enough content to appeal to more than their core audience.
They found it with the DS and Wii, but those audiences were mostly there for the fad--and in that time, Nintendo didn't realize how to keep them engaged and they forgot how to appeal to regular gamers.
I would not be surprised if they announced a third straight year of losses when this fiscal year ends, and I would be equally unsurprised to see Sony and MS reporting real profits. And that's after Sony's near-disastrous last decade.
@originaljohn
As a final note: Nintendo's biggest problem right now is that the entire industry is telling them it's time to go third party, and by "entire industry," I'm including their own general fanbase, including the bulk of the people posting on this very site.
When even Nintendo fans are just treating the company like a "Nintendo box maker" instead of a "console maker" (where we look forward to a variety of games from a variety of developers and publishers), then perhaps it really is time for Nintendo to throw in the towel on the hardware side--at least on home consoles.
There are a lot of people here (too damn many) that adamantly hate 3rd parties. I don't get that at all--my favorite games run a gamut of different developers and publishers, and my gaming experiences are so much richer with that variety, but I digress. Game consoles exist for consumers to buy and play a lot of games. No one treated the NES or SNES or Game Boy o GBA or DS or (arguably) the GameCube as just a "Nintendo box." But there are many treating the Wii U and 3DS that way, which means we're telling Nintendo that we're only buying this hardware out of a grudge to get a few games. No one bought an Xbox to play just Halo and Forza. No one bought a PS4 for just Uncharted and Infamous and God of War. But there are staggering numbers of people, apparently, that are buying Nintendo consoles just for Mario and Zelda and Pokemon, and the rest doesn't matter.
I have no idea how Nintendo can escape this trap, but it is a trap in which they are very clearly deeply enveloped. It limits their income, it limits their appeal, and it limits their reach, and options, and audience. Ultimately, it even prevents the typical non-Nintendo crowd from even having the opportunity to chance upon Nintendo's greater gems. I can only say it's not just one problem. It's an awful lot of problems.
This is why, despite Sony's past decade, I think Nintendo and Sony should just suck it up and get together. Sony make the console, Nintendo make the portable, they share operating systems and standards, and they both make games for both pieces of hardware. That, or given the overwhelming similarities in the XBO and PS4, it's time to champion a unified console format, where everyone has a channel and a shop, just like a TV Set-Top box.
Morons, maybe if they pulled their heads out of their rugby and soccer games that never change year after year, they'd play actual video games. Idiots.
It's pretty well known that the UK has an utterly horrid taste for games.
FIFA, Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty! Every chav's wet dream.
@mh1989 Is that why most PS4 and XBO games are sequels and rehashes? Because the rest of the industry is progressing so much?
The UK is pretty much a lost cause for Nintendo as it is Sony country, where it seems like the majority would rather play a steaming turd on a Playstation system than a great game on a Nintendo one.
To be fair though, the UK did always get gouged on console prices and games being late (if appearing at all) and I'm not sure how much it has changed.
@mh1989
For the rest of the world the 3DS is the best selling system with the best lineup of games. Isn't the Vita popular there? I'm not sure how that can offer more value with a higher price, less games and ridiculously expensive memory cards.
@Quorthon
Your probably right little money was made on Wii Sports, but the cost of manufacturing the Wii would have allowed an extra game free and still count towards profits. It just so happened that Wii Sports effectively defined last generation for a lot of players. The Wii was no fad, 100Mil systems is not to be snuffed at, it carved a thriving business for many developers and publishers, was hard to find for 3 Christmas' in a row at retail, lasted a solid 5 years and put a substantial amount of money in the bank for Nintendo and it's partners.
This generation is no different from past there is no reversal. PS4 and XBOX 1 were initially sold at a loss. The systems had to hit the break even point and due to the rate of sales both claim to have done this. Which is really not that surprising considering both systems are made from off the shelf parts when in comparison the ps3 and 360 which were much more exotic at the time.
I don't really know what else I can say about Mario. He sells systems and he sells standalone, the proof is in the data, it's foolish to think that every Mario Kart Wii, New Mario Bros Wii and Super Mario Galaxy sold was bundled in with a system and therefore don't count towards profits. That's about 76 million units of software your disregarding and is nearly the entire install base of the Wii. In the Wii U business both Mario Kart 8 and Super Mario 3D World triggered hardware spikes. The same is true for 3DS, Mario Kart 7 and Super Mario 3D Land triggered massive interest in the system. My personal opinion on Mario (I not a huge fan) is the industry was over saturated when New Super Mario Bros U hit as a launch title, which in turn effected the impact of 3D World for Wii U. In fact Nintendo's release schedule for the first 18 months had a negative effected the Wii U success even though the standard of it's games are very high.
Looking forward and at Amiibo's, every game Nintendo publish in the future has to potential to ship with a unique set of Amiibo. Who's the largest publisher in the console and handheld space? I'll give you a hint, if your thinking 3rd party your wrong. It's also stupid to measure Skylanders current situation with Amiibo's opening Christmas, for a better comparison you have to look at Skylanders launch and the exact same thing happened. Availability was a big challenge for Activision and there are select figures that got discontinued too soon and became very expensive collectibles. Nintendo have dropped the ball on communication big time and they have major supply/demand issues but as future games and Amiibo get released the supply issue will get fixed. From what I mentioned above Star Fox Wii U could receive it's own set of Amiibo which brings greater awareness to lesser know franchises increasing potential profits for the game. Not having a dedicated game is a massive positive for Amiibo and that's not to say maybe there will be one down the line at some point.
Again a better comparison for 3DS would not be DS but GBA as hardware unit sales indicate 3DS will sell sub 100Mill and we must keep in mind Nintendo haven't grown much since the GBA days we know this because they saved those huge profits from Wii and DS. I do think 3rd party wise Nintendo is in a greatly concerning situation but they have enough $ in the bank to try different things and see to the end of Wii U and 3DS life cycles. I enjoy 3rd party games too but I think the 'hate' on here appears when publishers don't show Nintendo systems equal support, Ubisoft coming to mind.
I say this as a proud, day one adopter of the Wii U, a person who's favourite brand has, and always will be Nintendo, and as someone who was also born and bred in the UK; but IMO, not that I personally give a flying fudge about sales really, but the reasons the UK is not so Nintendo friendly is because the Brits are like sheep and will generally get what everyone else has got, which in this case is not a Wii U, Brits are also very narrow minded and don't like change (they go on holiday somewhere and the first thing they look for is a pub for English beer and a cafe that does chips and Full English Breakfast). I think a lot of them are simply in denial that they want a Wii U because it's not cool to play colourful games any more when you are in college or are working, and also, I'm sorry, but the Brits are also generally as tight fisted as a camels ass in a sandstorm, and would never comprehend buying ANOTHER console. That's just my opinion and I do apologise in advance for anyone that may have got offended.
For me, the 3DS presents great value for money. The wii u, not so much, which is why i'm yet to jump on-board. Antiquated hardware, a gimmick that's useful, but not 'game changing', no 3rd party support, and too much of a focus on co-operative and multiplayer experiences. I'll get one when they drop the price by $50-$100AU and announce a new Metroid, Paper Mario, and other more single player oriented games.
I've had multiple opportunities to buy a brand new PS4 or XBox1 bundle for a cheaper price than the RRP of the Wii U here in AUS. It's weird...
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