I'd pay 400 points for games like Bard's Tale and Pool of Radiance.
Unlike a lot of people here, I think the more systems on VC the better. Are we retro gaming fans, or just whiny fans of one or two specific games? More systems, more games, more easy for Nintendo to give us multi-game weeks. I'd love to see Sega CD (Dark Wizard, Lunar) and Panasonic 3D0 (Super Street Fighter II Turbo) on the VC at the same price point as N64 games.
EDIT: I think Rapadash was probably thinking about the Master System when he made his last post. C64 was everywhere in North America.
@Rapadash6, I doubt that will happen, since there is no "River City Ransom Collection" readily available for PS2 and GC in North America. The existence of such a collection is the "some reason" that keeps Mega Man off the North American VC.
@Roo, RCR isn't just another side-scrolling beat 'em up—it's THE side-scrolling beat 'em up! It's hilarious, and it has fantastic music to boot. I can't imagine anyone who gives this game a blind try being disappointed.
I had this for my NES back in the day. I traded it in at a flea market for a copy of Mega Man II, which I then traded in with $4 for Final Fantasy. Those were the days.
This is a fun, fast-paced little platformer, but the controls aren't as tight as what Nintendo made us used to, and the graphics have a bit of a shallow/cartoony look to them. Worth checking out, especially for all of the Wonderboy/AI faithful around here.
Yes, this is the best week of the year! I am PRAYING that we get River City Ransom in North America on Monday. PRAYING. River City Ransom and Warsong are the two games on the "coming soon" list that I have been waiting patiently for.
EDIT: Since North America already has Adventure Island, I wonder if we'll be getting a one-game week, or if we'll get a surprise from left field.
Excellent news. I have as fond memories of the C64 as anyone, but I wouldn't pay $5.00 for the games. I would consider paying $3.00, but Nintendo's not going to dip that low. This only means I'll be happy to see the C64 on the VC, but I just won't buy any of the games!
@master of retro, I saw Mega Man Anniversary Collection used at a local EB for $10 the other day. That's about $1.15 per game. That's the same price for 8 games as it is to get the two games currently on the VC for 500 points a pop. I guess you might want to shell out the extra $$$ so you can use the Wii Remote instead of the GC controller, though..............
We won't be seeing Final Fantasy on the VC for a long long time, if ever. And even though Starwolf_UK holds out some hope for it, I don't think we'll see Chrono Trigger on the VC either. It's not strictly a flagship game, but there are some cases in which securing licensing is difficult because of the breakup of development teams, license owners working for different companies nowadays, etc. These factors make it very difficult to come to a final agreement, and Chrono Trigger is one of those games.
It's nice to see Square Enix's support for the VC, but no one should imagine this means we'll ever see Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior. We should be very lucky to get some more second-tier games from these companies, like Soulblazer, RoboTrek, 7th Saga, ActRaiser II, Brain Lord, Rad Racer, and maybe, if we're really really lucky, FF: Mystic Quest.
I'm not going to complain about the quality of games on the VC because I still haven't come anywhere near playing the currently released ones that I want to play. I just get frustrated when I see a flood of complaints about games we don't have when people haven't stopped to think about the logistical difficulties and economic implausibility involved.
The fact of the matter is that Nintendo still does have a lot of great games up their sleeves, and we just have to be patient for them. But you're dreaming if you think the VC is getting every third party's flagship titles.
@Tim, that's my point—we can't expect a special game for every niche holiday (though Koei's Liberty or Death could be appropriate for any number of patriotic American holidays ).
It's Heritage Day in Canada on Monday. Not all of North America is the USA.
But Nintendo isn't even acknowledging their own milestones with special releases, so I have a hard time believing they'll celebrate minor holidays with special games.
@Bensei, you're right, as I said before. And when it does come to VC, I expect Phantasy Star won't be far behind. Breath of Fire could be another story, though. It's a shame, too, because I think the first one is the best in the series.
@ATRUEZELDAFAN: Phantasy Star 1 is for the Sega Master System, which isn't on the VC yet but will be soon. Breath of Fire 1 was licensed by Squaresoft, so there is probably more wrangling involved in getting the license for the VC than just asking Capcom.
I would think the reason Nintendo doesn't want us to be able to play games from SD cards or copy games from external storage should be obvious. They don't want someone to buy a VC game and then give it to all his friends. There are a lot of ways to work around this problem, of course. I'm sure Nintendo is going to be addressing storage sometime in the future. It's something that'll be really easy to do and really lucrative. We don't need to worry, just be patient.
Just because Nintendo wants WiiWare to be a platform for experimental and low budget development doesn't mean it can't also contain first-party software updates and other downloadable content. I think WiiWare is a perfect place for downloadable content and game add-ons, as long as it's priced properly. That's the main thing. I would be totally up for downloading new characters as long as they are cheap cheap cheap.
Honestly, I have no interest in this genre, but unlike many people here (apparently), I have no problem going for a week without downloading something. I'm perfectly content to let the LoT fans be happy and take a pass on it myself.
I'm one of those crazy North Americans who had a Master System (as well as a NES), and I'm glad to see it coming to the VC. I've always thought the MS version of Altered Beast was better than the Genesis version...
New content, good price, storage isn't an issue because you can just delete it as soon as you're done playing it (and download it again for free if you want to play it again), and promise of continued support. This is only good news.
While it's true that no one's wish list will ever be 100% complete on the VC, we have to remember that there are a lot of people who simply wouldn't buy and play retro games if it weren't for the VC. These casual retro fans will eagerly play the games that are beamed into their living rooms, but wouldn't go out of their way to acquire the old faves that the VC lacks. The effortless acquisition of these games appeals to a huge market.
If the VC doesn't have certain games that I want, I just don't play those games (chances are I've played them to death during my childhood anyway). My gaming time is more than filled with games that are on the VC (and with new Wii games), so I generally don't have time to whine about the classics I'm missing. I'm sure that's true of a lot of Wii owners.
Demon, I know there are plenty of games, but my point is that there are significantly fewer first party games that don't involve some kind of licensing agreement. Nintendo can't bank on being able to release all of those puppies, and they probably want to keep pace with what they control until they know they can do otherwise. This is speculation, of course, and by no means meant to excuse one-game weeks.
I want tons of games as much as the next guy, but my point is that Nintendo doesn't owe anyone anything other than what they're giving us.
Lolo 2 is a wonderful game, but it's a bit of a kick in the pants to get it as the only game this week.
I don't think they're stalling so they can make their games last for ten years -- I think they're slowing down to make sure they can secure some more consoles and license games from other companies. If they can't, then they'll need to curb the pace. If they can, then they can start throwing a variety of mostly crappy games at us again.
I like the VC because I don't have to keep 6 consoles around and in working shape. Another advantage is that you don't have to worry about the built-in batteries dying so you can't save your games (which happened to many of my faves). I also like being able to switch between games with a few button presses rather than swapping out carts.
So even when a game costs a bit extra on the VC, which is true of many NES titles, I feel it's worth it for the convenience and peace of mind.
I've heard that this game is the weakest link in the PS series. Still, having not played any of the PS games (shame, shame!) I'll definitely be giving it a try when it's released here.
KhaoShar, GoldenEye 007 is Rare's classic, and Rare is owned by Microsoft. Thus, it's Microsoft's classic. They're not going to release all of their first party games in a big rush, expecting to be able to license more. I think it's a pretty good move to slow down until they can secure more games on the VC for sure. Expect releases to pick up when Nintendo signs another licensee or gets another console on board. And soon enough we'll also have WiiWare to think about, so the VC cutbacks won't seem as drastic.
Yes, we need another system! Maybe we'll go back to getting 3 games for a few weeks because they'll be able to tuck some Master System games in. Besides, I see this as a gesture—they had to give us the MS before they could give us Sega CD.
This isn't really big news. The update on the smash bros site says most of the demos will be so short/quick that you won't even know you were playing them. I can think of better things to do than play 30 seconds of Ice Climber.
It would be cool if each copy of SSBB let you unlock one of those original games for download from the VC. You could play the demos, choose from a menu in-game, and then play the whole game. Greedy me!
Great week! This is one of those big marquee games, and it's good to finally have it on the VC. I guess some people are upset that they didn't get two token crappy games out of the way at the same time, but meh.
I'll come out and say that I'm pumped for Brawl, but I wouldn't VC the original Smash game. Brawl will be enough for me.
Let me mitigate this by saying that I'll immediately get the original SNES Mario Kart when it comes to the VC, so the retro effect certainly exists, it just depends on the gamer.
And Ron, I think it depends on what circles you hang out in! Everyone I know is a drooling SNES Mario Kart fanatic, and the ones that know there was even an N64 version of the game think it sucks.
Lolo is pretty fun. My problem with these Street Fighter games is that they're each missing some things the others have. Super doesn't have Turbo, Turbo doesn't have the new fighters, etc. It's a shame we're unlikely to get the 3DO's Super Street Fighter II Turbo on here.
This one looks fake to me (or else it's a really basic, simple tech demo, hence why it got passed out to a Hudson employee), but that's not to say there won't be a Duck Hunt game on the horizon.
Nintendo doesn't "owe" us three VC games per week. They don't even owe us three games per month! Some people need to get over their sense of entitlement. If they release one good game, and a decent chunk of people want to play it, then power to them, their business model is succeeding.
Fang, I think the people who are threatening to sell their Wiis because of bad VC games deserve it... for buying a Wii just for VC games! Who spends $300 to use a next-gen console as an emulator?
My guess is that the people who are happy with the VC library just aren't posting as much. Nothing to complain about. And I suspect that most people are satisfied with 5-15 good games out of the catalogue, since not everybody needs to buy 2-3 games per week after all.
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Re: Commodore 64 coming to Virtual Console
I'd pay 400 points for games like Bard's Tale and Pool of Radiance.
Unlike a lot of people here, I think the more systems on VC the better. Are we retro gaming fans, or just whiny fans of one or two specific games? More systems, more games, more easy for Nintendo to give us multi-game weeks. I'd love to see Sega CD (Dark Wizard, Lunar) and Panasonic 3D0 (Super Street Fighter II Turbo) on the VC at the same price point as N64 games.
EDIT: I think Rapadash was probably thinking about the Master System when he made his last post. C64 was everywhere in North America.
Re: EU VC Releases - 22nd February - Street Gangs
@Rapadash6, I doubt that will happen, since there is no "River City Ransom Collection" readily available for PS2 and GC in North America. The existence of such a collection is the "some reason" that keeps Mega Man off the North American VC.
@Roo, RCR isn't just another side-scrolling beat 'em up—it's THE side-scrolling beat 'em up! It's hilarious, and it has fantastic music to boot. I can't imagine anyone who gives this game a blind try being disappointed.
Re: Adventure Island
I had this for my NES back in the day. I traded it in at a flea market for a copy of Mega Man II, which I then traded in with $4 for Final Fantasy. Those were the days.
This is a fun, fast-paced little platformer, but the controls aren't as tight as what Nintendo made us used to, and the graphics have a bit of a shallow/cartoony look to them. Worth checking out, especially for all of the Wonderboy/AI faithful around here.
Re: EU VC Releases - 22nd February - Street Gangs
Yes, this is the best week of the year! I am PRAYING that we get River City Ransom in North America on Monday. PRAYING. River City Ransom and Warsong are the two games on the "coming soon" list that I have been waiting patiently for.
EDIT: Since North America already has Adventure Island, I wonder if we'll be getting a one-game week, or if we'll get a surprise from left field.
Re: Commodore 64 coming to Virtual Console
Excellent news. I have as fond memories of the C64 as anyone, but I wouldn't pay $5.00 for the games. I would consider paying $3.00, but Nintendo's not going to dip that low. This only means I'll be happy to see the C64 on the VC, but I just won't buy any of the games!
Re: US VC Releases - 18th February - Ninja Gaiden III
@master of retro, I saw Mega Man Anniversary Collection used at a local EB for $10 the other day. That's about $1.15 per game. That's the same price for 8 games as it is to get the two games currently on the VC for 500 points a pop. I guess you might want to shell out the extra $$$ so you can use the Wii Remote instead of the GC controller, though..............
Re: US VC Releases - 18th February - Ninja Gaiden III
We won't be seeing Final Fantasy on the VC for a long long time, if ever. And even though Starwolf_UK holds out some hope for it, I don't think we'll see Chrono Trigger on the VC either. It's not strictly a flagship game, but there are some cases in which securing licensing is difficult because of the breakup of development teams, license owners working for different companies nowadays, etc. These factors make it very difficult to come to a final agreement, and Chrono Trigger is one of those games.
It's nice to see Square Enix's support for the VC, but no one should imagine this means we'll ever see Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior. We should be very lucky to get some more second-tier games from these companies, like Soulblazer, RoboTrek, 7th Saga, ActRaiser II, Brain Lord, Rad Racer, and maybe, if we're really really lucky, FF: Mystic Quest.
I'm not going to complain about the quality of games on the VC because I still haven't come anywhere near playing the currently released ones that I want to play. I just get frustrated when I see a flood of complaints about games we don't have when people haven't stopped to think about the logistical difficulties and economic implausibility involved.
The fact of the matter is that Nintendo still does have a lot of great games up their sleeves, and we just have to be patient for them. But you're dreaming if you think the VC is getting every third party's flagship titles.
Re: EU VC Releases - 18th February - Sega Week - Phantasy Star II
@Tim, that's my point—we can't expect a special game for every niche holiday (though Koei's Liberty or Death could be appropriate for any number of patriotic American holidays ).
Re: EU VC Releases - 18th February - Sega Week - Phantasy Star II
It's Heritage Day in Canada on Monday. Not all of North America is the USA.
But Nintendo isn't even acknowledging their own milestones with special releases, so I have a hard time believing they'll celebrate minor holidays with special games.
Re: EU VC Releases - 18th February - Sega Week - Phantasy Star II
@Bensei, you're right, as I said before. And when it does come to VC, I expect Phantasy Star won't be far behind. Breath of Fire could be another story, though. It's a shame, too, because I think the first one is the best in the series.
Re: EU VC Releases - 18th February - Sega Week - Phantasy Star II
@ATRUEZELDAFAN: Phantasy Star 1 is for the Sega Master System, which isn't on the VC yet but will be soon. Breath of Fire 1 was licensed by Squaresoft, so there is probably more wrangling involved in getting the license for the VC than just asking Capcom.
Re: EU VC Releases - 18th February - Sega Week - Phantasy Star II
Good week for Europe. I predict a single-game week of Phantasy Star II for North America next week.
Re: Wiiware focus - Interview with Medaverse (Gravitronix)
This sounds like it could be a lot of fun. I'll be happy to support them.
Re: The Great Internal Memory Debate
I would think the reason Nintendo doesn't want us to be able to play games from SD cards or copy games from external storage should be obvious. They don't want someone to buy a VC game and then give it to all his friends. There are a lot of ways to work around this problem, of course. I'm sure Nintendo is going to be addressing storage sometime in the future. It's something that'll be really easy to do and really lucrative. We don't need to worry, just be patient.
Re: Smash Bros. Brawl to get WiiWare Portal?
Just because Nintendo wants WiiWare to be a platform for experimental and low budget development doesn't mean it can't also contain first-party software updates and other downloadable content. I think WiiWare is a perfect place for downloadable content and game add-ons, as long as it's priced properly. That's the main thing. I would be totally up for downloading new characters as long as they are cheap cheap cheap.
Re: US VC Releases - 11th February - Harvest Moon
Yoshi, they're playing catch up in the sense that neither game is completely "new" to the VC—they're both games Europe already had.
Kevin, you'll be waiting a looooong time for Mega Man. I can't explain why we don't have Vectorman yet, though.
Re: US VC Releases - 11th February - Harvest Moon
These are both good as the 200th game. Good week for North America. Cheers!
Re: Super Mario World
This remains the best Mario game to this day. Perfectly balanced platforming. Great levels designs. And HUGE! Five stars from me.
Re: EU VC Release - 8th February - Lords of Thunder
Lugia2, we're never getting Chrono Trigger at all, so scale your hopes back a bit.
Re: EU VC Release - 8th February - Lords of Thunder
DEMON212, not everyone has already downloaded 75% of the entire VC catalogue. Go sit in the corner.
Re: EU VC Release - 8th February - Lords of Thunder
Honestly, I have no interest in this genre, but unlike many people here (apparently), I have no problem going for a week without downloading something. I'm perfectly content to let the LoT fans be happy and take a pass on it myself.
Re: Butterfly Garden Coming to WiiWare
The WiiWare announcements we've seen so far have me holding out hope for a simple Risk-type strategy game with online multiplayer.
Re: Kirby's Dream Land 3 Reclassified by ESRB
This would be a more disappointing 200th game than our 100th game. But oh well! There's tons of games to be played that are already on the VC!
Re: Hardware Focus - Sega Master System
I'm one of those crazy North Americans who had a Master System (as well as a NES), and I'm glad to see it coming to the VC. I've always thought the MS version of Altered Beast was better than the Genesis version...
Re: Eternity’s Child Confirmed as WiiWare
New content, good price, storage isn't an issue because you can just delete it as soon as you're done playing it (and download it again for free if you want to play it again), and promise of continued support. This is only good news.
Re: US VC Releases - 4th February - Operation Wolf
Lords of Thunder, SSB, and WiiWare (Dr. Mario!) on the horizon. I'll be patient.
Re: Are Virtual Console games good value for money?
While it's true that no one's wish list will ever be 100% complete on the VC, we have to remember that there are a lot of people who simply wouldn't buy and play retro games if it weren't for the VC. These casual retro fans will eagerly play the games that are beamed into their living rooms, but wouldn't go out of their way to acquire the old faves that the VC lacks. The effortless acquisition of these games appeals to a huge market.
If the VC doesn't have certain games that I want, I just don't play those games (chances are I've played them to death during my childhood anyway). My gaming time is more than filled with games that are on the VC (and with new Wii games), so I generally don't have time to whine about the classics I'm missing. I'm sure that's true of a lot of Wii owners.
Re: EU VC Releases - 1st February - Adventures of Lolo 2
Demon, I know there are plenty of games, but my point is that there are significantly fewer first party games that don't involve some kind of licensing agreement. Nintendo can't bank on being able to release all of those puppies, and they probably want to keep pace with what they control until they know they can do otherwise. This is speculation, of course, and by no means meant to excuse one-game weeks.
I want tons of games as much as the next guy, but my point is that Nintendo doesn't owe anyone anything other than what they're giving us.
Re: EU VC Releases - 1st February - Adventures of Lolo 2
Lolo 2 is a wonderful game, but it's a bit of a kick in the pants to get it as the only game this week.
I don't think they're stalling so they can make their games last for ten years -- I think they're slowing down to make sure they can secure some more consoles and license games from other companies. If they can't, then they'll need to curb the pace. If they can, then they can start throwing a variety of mostly crappy games at us again.
Re: Are Virtual Console games good value for money?
I like the VC because I don't have to keep 6 consoles around and in working shape. Another advantage is that you don't have to worry about the built-in batteries dying so you can't save your games (which happened to many of my faves). I also like being able to switch between games with a few button presses rather than swapping out carts.
So even when a game costs a bit extra on the VC, which is true of many NES titles, I feel it's worth it for the convenience and peace of mind.
Re: Win a Classic Controller! - Caption competition
"Mario... they think you're a girl! Shaving your mustache was the worst Halloween idea ever!"
Re: Phantasy Star II
I've heard that this game is the weakest link in the PS series. Still, having not played any of the PS games (shame, shame!) I'll definitely be giving it a try when it's released here.
Re: EU VC Releases - 25th January - Super Street Fighter II
KhaoShar, GoldenEye 007 is Rare's classic, and Rare is owned by Microsoft. Thus, it's Microsoft's classic. They're not going to release all of their first party games in a big rush, expecting to be able to license more. I think it's a pretty good move to slow down until they can secure more games on the VC for sure. Expect releases to pick up when Nintendo signs another licensee or gets another console on board. And soon enough we'll also have WiiWare to think about, so the VC cutbacks won't seem as drastic.
Re: Win a Classic Controller! - Caption competition
Mario and Luigi don't have Classic Controllers, so they have to play Super Mario World with the next best thing.
Re: Win a Classic Controller! - Caption competition
"Much to Luigi's embarrassment, the warp to Childhood Land had made Mario's little secret obvious."
Re: US VC Releases - 28th January - 1080 Snowboarding
They're slowing down the release schedule so they can make Super Smash Bros. the 200th game.
Re: Master System Games Coming to The VC!
Yes, we need another system! Maybe we'll go back to getting 3 games for a few weeks because they'll be able to tuck some Master System games in. Besides, I see this as a gesture—they had to give us the MS before they could give us Sega CD.
Re: Smash Bros. Brawl to include VC Demos!
This isn't really big news. The update on the smash bros site says most of the demos will be so short/quick that you won't even know you were playing them. I can think of better things to do than play 30 seconds of Ice Climber.
It would be cool if each copy of SSBB let you unlock one of those original games for download from the VC. You could play the demos, choose from a menu in-game, and then play the whole game. Greedy me!
Re: Master System Games Coming to The VC!
The Master System version of Altered Beast is also better than the Genesis version. Not that we'll see it, with the Genesis version out and all...
Re: Master System Games Coming to The VC!
I loved the master system. I can't wait to play the maze game again!
Re: EU VC Releases - 25th January - Super Street Fighter II
Great week! This is one of those big marquee games, and it's good to finally have it on the VC. I guess some people are upset that they didn't get two token crappy games out of the way at the same time, but meh.
Re: Original Smash Bros Coming to VC?
I'll come out and say that I'm pumped for Brawl, but I wouldn't VC the original Smash game. Brawl will be enough for me.
Let me mitigate this by saying that I'll immediately get the original SNES Mario Kart when it comes to the VC, so the retro effect certainly exists, it just depends on the gamer.
And Ron, I think it depends on what circles you hang out in! Everyone I know is a drooling SNES Mario Kart fanatic, and the ones that know there was even an N64 version of the game think it sucks.
Re: US VC Releases - 21st January - Super Street Fighter II
Lolo is pretty fun. My problem with these Street Fighter games is that they're each missing some things the others have. Super doesn't have Turbo, Turbo doesn't have the new fighters, etc. It's a shame we're unlikely to get the 3DO's Super Street Fighter II Turbo on here.
Re: New Duck Hunt Coming to WiiWare?
This one looks fake to me (or else it's a really basic, simple tech demo, hence why it got passed out to a Hudson employee), but that's not to say there won't be a Duck Hunt game on the horizon.
Re: Goldeneye NOT Virtual Console Bound?
This shouldn't be surprising, given that Microsoft owns Rare.
Re: EU VC Release - 4th January - Harvest Moon
Nintendo doesn't "owe" us three VC games per week. They don't even owe us three games per month! Some people need to get over their sense of entitlement. If they release one good game, and a decent chunk of people want to play it, then power to them, their business model is succeeding.
Re: EU VC Release - 4th January - Harvest Moon
Fang, I think the people who are threatening to sell their Wiis because of bad VC games deserve it... for buying a Wii just for VC games! Who spends $300 to use a next-gen console as an emulator?
My guess is that the people who are happy with the VC library just aren't posting as much. Nothing to complain about. And I suspect that most people are satisfied with 5-15 good games out of the catalogue, since not everybody needs to buy 2-3 games per week after all.
Re: US VC Releases - 31st December - Light Crusader
@ Drake: I know, we have the whole collection on a cheap used GameCube disc. When they release them here on the VC I'll eat my hat.
Re: US VC Releases - 31st December - Light Crusader
Bubble Bobble is an excellent, excellent little game. PS: They've already released Mega Man and Mega Man 2 in the US.
Re: Japanese Virtual Console List - January 2008
I swear, if people keep asking about Goldeneye, Final Fantasy, and Mega Man...