@BONHOMME-7HEURE It was never released on a 16-bit system so won't make it to Virtual Console. I know there's VC Arcade but let's face it, that's deader than 3DS Virtual Console
@Burning_Spear ha, I really should have done that!
"Nintendo lost money on every machine except the one bought by Nintendo Life user Burning Spear, who insisted on paying an extra $300 for the privilege. 'I just really like Nintendo,' he said."
Nintendo has only been releasing consolidated earnings reports for the past 30 years, so I can't dig any further. "First annual loss in 30 years" is closer to "first annual loss in the 30 years since Nintendo started releasing statistics."
Other sites are saying it's the company's "first-ever loss" but as Nintendo's a 122-year old company and we haven't got records from before 1981, that seems unlikely.
So there you have it. Nintendo may have posted a loss more than 30 years ago but without the earnings reports I can't prove it. Just covering my backside on this one
@kyuubikid213 Nintendo made and sold a number of different products and services before consoles — love testers, Ultra Hand, love hotels! — and of course it was making arcade games before NES came out. Wouldn't surprise me if they lost Nintendo money!
@Kirk I only have access to their financial records for the past 30-something years but Develop and Gamasutra — both experts in this kind of thing — say Nintendo previously posted losses over 30 years ago. It's certainly the first annual loss for Nintendo as a console manufacturer.
@Kage_88 I think it's more to do with the machine's release, to be honest — if it's out in the last few months of this year, how likely is it to shift 5m before April?
It's an interesting figure for sure — Nintendo expected 4m 3DS sales in its first month, so what percentage of this figure is for Wii U and what is for Wii? Tell me, Mr Iwata!
@Burning_Spear No idea, man. MCV just says "software only (accessory value not included". I assume it means the total RRP of the whole package, rather than £34.99 for game + £6.99 for wheel or whatever. I don't know, I just know it's a whole shed full o' money.
@clubmini Yep, and still does! Press L or R on the Home Menu to bring up the option. I guess Nintendo figured not many people knew that, so now it's in the eShop settings menu, where plenty more people ca... oh wait.
@CowLaunch I think there needs to be a balance. Making Skyward Sword MotionPlus-only was a great creative choice, but financially probably not so much. Wii U looks like an awesome creative machine, but isn't a guaranteed moneymaker.
At a stage where 3DS is still growing, Nintendo needs as many bankable hits as possible to grow the machine to a point where it's viable a smaller, more offbeat title could turn a profit. We all moan that Rhythm Thief and Tales of the Abyss don't trouble the charts but that's because the 3DS install base just isn't big enough. More Mario games will help.
@Knuckles There's a thread with over 600 comments. I challenge you to find it.
3DS needs hit software to sell more hardware to encourage more developers to take a chance on it. If Nintendo makes a Mario game that sells another 15-25 million units, this is a Very Good Thing for everyone.
Tom Nook has been the shopkeeper in every Animal Crossing game yet, but in this one he's changed vocations and is now a real estate agent, I believe. Looks like he left a pink sheep in dungarees in charge (sales increase 500%)
@NaturalGus It'd be ace if they used sprites for this, all hand-drawn like Wario Land: Shake It or Rayman Origins. Though that would mean no Miis... I'd be fine with that, actually.
They're going to do both 3D and 2D Mario in Wii U's lifetime, let's be honest. I really like NSMBW but having done it all I'm ready for a new version. This should be it!
@SkywardLink98 You can fight against friends — as the review says, "you can choose to battle a stranger or a friend, as long as you swap those Friend Codes of course."
@DJM it's SEGA-published so it was their decision to make it online, not Capcom's, form what I gather.
@madgear I too have had some good matches on here, just wish there were a bit more personality to it — had some great fights against a strong Guile on Friday, but will never know who it was!
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Re: Nintendo Download: 26th April 2012 (North America)
@BONHOMME-7HEURE It was never released on a 16-bit system so won't make it to Virtual Console. I know there's VC Arcade but let's face it, that's deader than 3DS Virtual Console
Re: Fire Emblem: Awakening Battles to Number One in Japanese Chart
@cfgk24 NOW.
Re: Nintendo Posts First Annual Loss in 30 Years
@Burning_Spear ha, I really should have done that!
"Nintendo lost money on every machine except the one bought by Nintendo Life user Burning Spear, who insisted on paying an extra $300 for the privilege. 'I just really like Nintendo,' he said."
Re: Nintendo Posts First Annual Loss in 30 Years
@Burning_Spear Correct! Good spot. Article updated now.
Re: Nintendo Posts First Annual Loss in 30 Years
@Kirk It's what I do.
(Actually right now I'm eating a pizza but there you go.)
Re: Nintendo Posts First Annual Loss in 30 Years
OK, so here's the skinny.
Nintendo has only been releasing consolidated earnings reports for the past 30 years, so I can't dig any further. "First annual loss in 30 years" is closer to "first annual loss in the 30 years since Nintendo started releasing statistics."
Other sites are saying it's the company's "first-ever loss" but as Nintendo's a 122-year old company and we haven't got records from before 1981, that seems unlikely.
So there you have it. Nintendo may have posted a loss more than 30 years ago but without the earnings reports I can't prove it. Just covering my backside on this one
Re: Nintendo Posts First Annual Loss in 30 Years
@kyuubikid213 Nintendo made and sold a number of different products and services before consoles — love testers, Ultra Hand, love hotels! — and of course it was making arcade games before NES came out. Wouldn't surprise me if they lost Nintendo money!
Re: Nintendo Posts First Annual Loss in 30 Years
@Kirk I only have access to their financial records for the past 30-something years but Develop and Gamasutra — both experts in this kind of thing — say Nintendo previously posted losses over 30 years ago. It's certainly the first annual loss for Nintendo as a console manufacturer.
I'm still investigating it!
Re: Nintendo Sets 10 Million Wii U Sales Target
@Kage_88 I think it's more to do with the machine's release, to be honest — if it's out in the last few months of this year, how likely is it to shift 5m before April?
It's an interesting figure for sure — Nintendo expected 4m 3DS sales in its first month, so what percentage of this figure is for Wii U and what is for Wii? Tell me, Mr Iwata!
Re: Review: Prince of Persia (Wii Virtual Console / Super Nintendo)
@Ninjadead it's the original Apple version, not the Super NES conversion Post #15 has more!
Re: Peek Between Your Fingers at a Project Zero 2 Trailer
@Gameday Why so late? It's 24 hours after the Japanese release ;D
Re: Nintendo Dominates UK's All-Time Top 10
@Burning_Spear No idea, man. MCV just says "software only (accessory value not included". I assume it means the total RRP of the whole package, rather than £34.99 for game + £6.99 for wheel or whatever. I don't know, I just know it's a whole shed full o' money.
Re: Nintendo to Distribute Heroes of Ruin Across Europe
You can use mic but I believe it'll support a headset if one is made.
Re: Club Nintendo Offers Mystery Boxes
The link works for me, but then I'm not a US CN member. Apologies if they're already gone!
Re: Theatrhythm Shimmies to Europe on 6th July
I'm sure Square Enix, publisher of Kingdom Hearts, will be gutted to hear that.
Re: Guide: Nintendo 3DS System Update v. 4.0.0-7
@clubmini Yep, and still does! Press L or R on the Home Menu to bring up the option. I guess Nintendo figured not many people knew that, so now it's in the eShop settings menu, where plenty more people ca... oh wait.
Re: Guide: Nintendo 3DS System Update v. 4.0.0-7
@6ch6ris6 I assume it'll be free for anyone who buys the game, either now or in future.
Folders-wise — don't forget you can use upper and lower case letters, plus symbols
Re: First Impressions: Art of Balance TOUCH! (3DS eShop)
@XCWarrior Hate to disappoint you, but it's not.
@FonistofCruxis Yes, all the WiiWare stages plus four new worlds.
Re: Guide: Nintendo 3DS System Update v. 4.0.0-7
@johnrichard07 They do, you just need to hold it down for a moment
Re: Take On Kid Icarus Multiplayer Masters at HMV Stores
@dizzy_boy That's awesome — tell them Nintendo Life sent you!
If anyone else is going to this, please say you're from Nintendo Life — it'd be a big help!
Re: First Impressions: Art of Balance TOUCH! (3DS eShop)
@BenAV the difference is here Art of Balance is one of the highest-rated WiiWare games, whereas FFM... well, it isn't.
Re: Does Ocarina of Time Look Better with Link to the Past's Graphics?
@Avi That's a great link! In fact, it's so useful it's been in the original article all along!
@Adam Oh, you!
Re: Talking Point: What New Super Mario Bros. 2 Means for 3DS and Nintendo
@zane I will bet you everything I own this is going to hit retail.
Re: Talking Point: What New Super Mario Bros. 2 Means for 3DS and Nintendo
@CowLaunch I think there needs to be a balance. Making Skyward Sword MotionPlus-only was a great creative choice, but financially probably not so much. Wii U looks like an awesome creative machine, but isn't a guaranteed moneymaker.
At a stage where 3DS is still growing, Nintendo needs as many bankable hits as possible to grow the machine to a point where it's viable a smaller, more offbeat title could turn a profit. We all moan that Rhythm Thief and Tales of the Abyss don't trouble the charts but that's because the 3DS install base just isn't big enough. More Mario games will help.
Re: Nintendo Reveals New Super Mario Bros. 2 for 3DS
@Knuckles There's a thread with over 600 comments. I challenge you to find it.
3DS needs hit software to sell more hardware to encourage more developers to take a chance on it. If Nintendo makes a Mario game that sells another 15-25 million units, this is a Very Good Thing for everyone.
Re: Animal Crossing Tobidase Reaches Japan This Fall
Tom Nook has been the shopkeeper in every Animal Crossing game yet, but in this one he's changed vocations and is now a real estate agent, I believe. Looks like he left a pink sheep in dungarees in charge (sales increase 500%)
Re: Nintendo Reveals New Super Mario Bros. 2 for 3DS
I wonder if there'll be any sort of cross compatibility between the 3DS and Wii U games.
Re: 3DS Gets Pokémon Black & White 2 AR Apps
I now want Pokémon Snap Wii U more than anything else in the world.
Re: 3DS Gets Pokémon Black & White 2 AR Apps
It should be said the 1,500 Yen to dollar/pound conversion is a straight-up currency conversion.
Re: Organise Your Home Menu With New 3DS Update
I would be surprised if a folder took up even so much as a single block.
Re: Nintendo Reveals New Super Mario Bros. 2 for 3DS
@WaveBoy "Not another NSMB Sequal" — this is the third NSMB game in nearly six years. You make it sound like they're every five minutes
Re: The World Ends With You Follow-up Teased by Square Enix
The World Ends Wiith U, please.
Re: Europe, Your Next Nintendo Direct Show is Tomorrow
@MetalDragonZero We'll translate for you
Re: Europe, Your Next Nintendo Direct Show is Tomorrow
No news on an American one yet, but expect to hear more today.
Re: Review: We Sing Pop (Wii)
@FonistofCruxis Yes because it's been such a well-kept secret until now.
Re: Uh Oh, Castlevania: The Adventure Rated for 3DS VC
@metafaniel How do we know it isn't developing one? We just might not have heard about it yet
Re: Donkey Kong Jr. and Sonic Blast Head to Japan 3DS VC
SEGA actually owns Nintendo. Trufax.
Re: Feature: Super Mario on Wii U - Crowd Pleaser or Game Changer?
@NaturalGus It'd be ace if they used sprites for this, all hand-drawn like Wario Land: Shake It or Rayman Origins. Though that would mean no Miis... I'd be fine with that, actually.
Re: Namco Bandai Shouts "Thundercats, Ho!"
Love that Lion-O just drew on his six-pack.
Re: Camelot Justifies No RPG Mode in Mario Tennis Open
YES!
Also I had no idea so many of you were addicted to crack cocaine.
Re: Mario Wii U "Based On" New Super Mario Bros. Mii
They're going to do both 3D and 2D Mario in Wii U's lifetime, let's be honest. I really like NSMBW but having done it all I'm ready for a new version. This should be it!
Re: Nicalis Announces 1001 Spikes for Wii U and 3DS eShop
NightSky due this summer, apparently..!
Re: Review: Super Street Fighter II (Wii Virtual Console / Mega Drive)
@Betagam7 After reading so many speculative comments about its PAL conversion I had to, really But you're welcome!
@lonlon-milker Not really.
Re: Nintendo Download: 19th April 2012 (Europe)
@VintageBoy Nope, it's Colors! 3D all the way, in the press release at least
Re: Review: Super Street Fighter II (Wii Virtual Console / Mega Drive)
Things were better when I were a lad.
Re: Review: Super Street Fighter II (Wii Virtual Console / Mega Drive)
@Ren Nope, no username at all. Total anonymity!
@TrueWiiMaster You can add a point if you like
Re: Miyamoto to Show Wii U Mario at E3
@BudrSbastig You're not going to be happy: GameCube accessories aren't supported by Wii U.
Re: Review: Super Street Fighter II (Wii Virtual Console / Mega Drive)
@SkywardLink98 You can fight against friends — as the review says, "you can choose to battle a stranger or a friend, as long as you swap those Friend Codes of course."
@DJM it's SEGA-published so it was their decision to make it online, not Capcom's, form what I gather.
@madgear I too have had some good matches on here, just wish there were a bit more personality to it — had some great fights against a strong Guile on Friday, but will never know who it was!
Re: Interview: Ludosity - Alien Chaos 3D
@Djrr-ific They're doing Boulder-Dash XL 3D
Re: Miyamoto to Show Wii U Mario at E3
@Samholy That actually sounds amazing. You know what though? That mechanic would work even better in Star Fox...