Epic Games is facing a class-action lawsuit from parents who claim that the team knowingly developed Fortnite to be highly addictive (thanks, TechRadar).
Concern over the game's level of addiction have been a hot topic of conversation for a good few years now. The lawsuit was first opened up back in 2019, with lawyers claiming that Epic Games hired psychologists to assist in making the title as addictive as possible and provided players with no warnings of these effects. The case has been under review ever since and has now been deemed worthy of approval.
Claims of the game's "very, very addictive" design come from two parents who have become increasingly concerned about the online shooter's effect on their children - one of whom has reportedly racked up 7,700 hours in the game over the past two years.
This being the case, an Epic Games spokesperson, Natalie Munoz, has stated that the company "plans to fight this in court," citing its efforts that have made to offer "industry-leading" parental controls and screen time reports in the past.
While the claims made against the studio blame the game's design for the players' lack of sleep and nutrition amongst other things, Munoz has stated that the "the case is meritless" and Epic apparently has the information to prove it.
The official starting date for the case is yet to be set, but we imagine that the studio will want to get the matter solved sooner rather than later.
What do you make of these claims? Let us know in the comments below!
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Imagine being the kid who's mom does this though
" one of whom has reportedly racked up 7,700 hours in the game over the past two years."
"BLAME THE GAME!"
Bad parents being bad parents.
You know what my parents did when I spent too much time playing games as a kid? Unplugged the TV and hid the cable. It ain't hard.
All about the money! But they´ll never win!
It's quite sad that this is being taken that seriously that there is going to be a court case, very sad.
I didn't the find the game addictive at all
Ok seriously do parents no longer parent? Restrict access and buy the child a book. That’s what my folks did. I was allowed an hour a day except weekends and no M rated games. I adhered to that until I was 18 (aside from one time I was loaned blood omen 2 by a classmate when I was 17). My parents however intentionally cultivated a love of reading and playing outside so I wouldn’t want to game so much. And it worked. I know that some people are more vulnerable to addictive behavior but it is the parents’ job to be vigilant and how is a payday from Epic gonna help them monitor their kids better?
If you instill good habits/discipline in your kid they can moderate their usage as they age. I’m not talking helicopter parents I’m talking home training. It isn’t perfect (people slip up ) but they have a good foundation to keep from being consumed/making bad choices.
@Olliemar28 My parents took the plug off my spectrum, but that didn't stop me as I just shoved the wires in the socket instead.
Can't see these parents winning this, end of the day you're the parents so take control as its not Epic's fault you can't control your kids.
Can I do the same for Cracktorio, sorry I mean Factorio?
Reminds me of that other case where a man tried suing Bethesda because he became so addicted to Fallout 4. He lost his job, his wife left him because he couldn't stop playing.
https://www.pcgamer.com/man-sues-bethesda-over-fallout-4-addiction/
“McDonald’s (or insert other restaurant name here) knowingly made their food delicious and I can’t stop eating it! I demand money!”
That’s how I read this. Just…so stupid.
@Olliemar28 Doesn't work for the Switch does it?
Wow, that is in Canada! I thought it was only in the USA that parents didn't actually parent their children, and then complained about how it was everyone else's fault?
I missed a train once reading a book. Should I sue the author?
Imagine how addicted these kids would get if they actually played a good game.
Stuff like this just makes no sense. If your kids are playing too many games, you have the authority as a parent to set limits for them. Don't blame the game for being successful at its goal.
@Falco1863 Bad parents are everywhere in the world.
If your kid has put 7,700 hours into a video game...be a parent. Who the hell sues someone because they are a garbage parent?
Parental controls are a thing. Not to mention that there are many other ways to, y'know, parent. Limiting gaming hours, concrete house rules, hiding or unplugging electronic devices, etc., etc. I'm not saying it's easy, especially in today's connected world, but there are ways.
It should also be noted that parents who can't parent aren't limited by country. 🙄 Unfortunately, these people exist everywhere.
@Buizel just take the Switch. I never got in trouble enough to find out but I knew kids whose parents would take their gameboys to work with them. Even in today’s insta access world you can restrict gaming. Requires a little research and ingenuity but it is doable. And actually talk to your kids and cultivate other interests. Problem solved.
Off course is a free to play game designed to be addictive. Every single one is. Don't these parent teach their children this?
@Tober True. I guess they need to make it addictive so people buy stuffd like vbucks so they make money
Oh lord. Just another frivolous lawsuit by parents who just don't like the game; or video games in general 😒
" ... one of whom has reportedly racked up 7,700 hours in the game over the past two years"
That's roughly an average of 10 hours a day every single day. That kid's parents are the ones who should be in legal trouble!
I miss the 00's where the intellectual eruptions of similar caliber were laughed at
Everyone is missing the point here!
It's not about blaming poor parenting but acknowledging that there is, for some, an addiction problem in the gaming community.
While some games (like the ones made by Nintendo) are designed for FUN,, an increasing amount are being engineered for ADDICTION.
How many people have divorced because of videogames? (I know at least 3 couples).
How many kids have failed exams?
How many adults have lost their jobs?
This is an extremely important topic that no one in the community wants to acknowledge or write about.
Isn't it a game company's job to make their game addictive? As a parent, I agree with the comments above about placing restrictions around game time.
@SmileMan64 yeah I remember that. Couldn't take responsibilities for his actions. People will sue companies and other people for any stupid reasons just for a buck.
@Twilite9 this is why gamers and parents need to set time limits to their gaming habits, not sue companies. That's like a suing an alcohol company because a person drank too much and then drive and crashed their car when they should've drink responsibly and not drive when they are intoxicated.
@Twilite9 addictive design isn’t new. That harkens back to the quarter eaters in arcades. However this isn’t an unsupervised adult. This is a child with parents whose job is to supervise their child’s behavior. If the kid gets addicted at 30 because of no oversight you can blame the game preying on vulnerability but game design would have to be fundamentally altered to remove addictive elements as that is literally the point of gaming (gambling too). No one is ignoring that at all, however there is a greater role that is neglected here which is parental responsibility and supervision and that is what everyone is pointing out.
For that matter most companies spend billions on marketing to convince people that they need a product. All products are geared towards addiction even if it is addiction to the company brand.
So much wrong w/ this lawsuit.
addictive <> fun should be the end of it though.
But Epic probably does have the numbers though. For every 1 kid out of control who won't stop playing there are probably 10,000 kids who played for a week, hour or month who then just stopped. Therefore not addictive, done.
But I watch enough sci-fi to think this could be a thing in the future. Where like once you start playing you literally can't stop, it truly messes up everyone's brain who plays it. Fortnite ain't it though. Maybe Minecraft or World of Warcraft. 😂
Honestly, I play about an hour a day of Fortnite, and it is not NEARLY as addictive as match 3 games like Candy Crush or a game like Peggle. The lights and sound effects in Peggle may have been truly addictive, like casino slot machines. If Peggle had endless levels like Candy Crush I'd probably still be playing it. Thank goodness it didn't. 😁
@Twilite9 I get what you mean. However, I still firmly believe that people should be aware that there are more important things than playing video games. Everybody has their own brain. I know how addictive multiplayer games can be (although Fortnite did not click with me at all), but I control my time spent playing instead of blaming other people. I'm not denying your points nor dismissing the problem entirely, I'm just saying that people are easily manipulated and it's primarly their fault.
BAHAHHAHA! This is so ridiculous! Sounds to me like a parenting problem, not a Fortnite problem. Lol
Agree this is ridiculous, but sometimes you do need a ridiculous high profile case to actually see some real meaningful change.
Parents hold a lot of responsibility, but not all of it. There are so many external factors that are out of their control, not least peer pressure and the fact this particular game can be played on so many different devices. It is not as simple as unplugging a TV, and I find the idea that it IS that simple a huge part of the problem.
As a gamer and a parent myself, I won't be letting my kids anywhere near Fortnite. Nothing is going to change my mind on that... I know it's a bad thing. I'd rather they play Call Of Duty. Genuinely. Can call me a gaming snob(!) But I know Fortnite for what it really is... deep down we all know, and actually, this court case isn't as crazy as some of us are making it out to be....
@Olliemar28 my parents would come into my room and see what I was doing. But it was very rare when I would play a game for a ton of hours on end. The only game I remember playing a lot was Tales of Symphonia when it first came out
Those parents might need to get their kids looked at by a doctor.
@ComfyAko @Ryu_Niiyama @BlueCoolYoshi
The big difference is that our society understands the addictive nature of alcool, tobacco, drugs or gambling. But addictive games (designed with behavioural psychologists) is a new phenomenon.
Most parents won't know how much more addictive Fortnite is from a Mario game.
I hope this lawsuit wins and that addictive games are forced to display a warning about their danger.
why can't parents be responsible and parent their children instead?
Or sue for actual problems, like games having gambling mechanics?
Ok, not even my mom would do this. She'djust tell me to go outside, and I'd do it. Probably because I have a legitimate fear of her. Either way, a lawsuit just is dumb. Your kid isn't doing their homework? IT'S THE GAME COMPANIES FAULT FORMAKING A FUN GAME
@Twilite9 I think you are giving a pass that isn’t there. People know gaming is addictive. I grew up in the 90s and remember the complaints and lawsuits and all the ERSB announcements. Games put up warnings telling people to go take breaks. Same with the reports on TV addiction. Gaming addiction is being treated by therapists now. I worked in Gamestop for years informing customers about games and I was surprised by the apathy parents displayed. People know, but it’s easier to give your annoying kid a game and sit them in their room and enjoy the silence. This is still on the parents. To your examples, people know the harm of cigarettes but tons of kids still vape or smoke. Do the parents still get a pass since it is on your known quantity list? Parents need to parent.
A game you enjoy is usually addictive but most have a definite endpoint unless you want to be a speedrunner. Fortnite has no end and seemingly an infinite amount of money you can spend and that is where the problem comes from. Sounds like the parents aren't happy paying Epic to babysit their kids any more.
@Ryu_Niiyama I totally agree with you. This is why parental controls exist for a reason. If a parent doesn't like their child's gaming addiction set a limit with these tools.
@jaybird0922 Yep, but the bigger you are the more responsibility you have to take. They're not alone, but you can see why they get the cross hairs put on them!
@Ryu_Niiyama
You're confusing violence and addiction.
ESRB Ratings are about violence in videogames.
Addiction is a completely new phenomenon.
But indeed this could be a solution: that ESRB creates a new label for addictiveness. Unfortunately, big companies like Epic will only budge if faced with a lawsuit.
Don't get me wrong: I disapprove of poor parenting in any form.
But more needs to be done to protect vulnerable people, adult or minor, from addictive games.
Everyone saying bad parents and dismissing Epic being at fault, both statements can be true you know? The parents surely have failed intervening to help their kids and at the same time the game can be made to purposefully be addictive, and to children in particular. Nowadays there are many many games built on the same predatory allure and features that casinos and gambling venues/products have, hiring people with tailored toolsets and knowhow on how to build an addictive interaction which is going to be much more effective on the youngest.
@Twilite9 I am not confusing anything. There were complaints about both in the 90’s and even the ‘00’s. And no it isn’t new. There were complaints about arcades in the 70’s and 80’s ( first pinball and then arcade video games) about addiction. What is new is the ease of access which can still be restricted as it is in one’s home and the lessening of stigma around gaming. That’s it.
@Ryu_Niiyama it wasn’t about addiction, it was about gambling and ties to the mob (lol). For Pinball, Sharpe (one of the best pinball players and designers of all time) had to demonstrate, by playing a game of pinball how it was a game of skill and not a game of luck.
Edit: here’s one of many articles:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/8gdwn3/tracing-the-history-of-pinball-from-illegal-gambling-to-mac-demarco-195
Maybe the ESRB will slap an addiction warning on the label for parents to continue to ignore.
Also here we're talking behavioral psychologist (a trained professional with budget) vs a parent (maybe a random dude working for the whole day???) fighting for kid's soul. So maybe it's not as simple as "just unplug a cable" (which, honestly… is also not stellar parenting).
@rjejr I think the issue would be unsupervised gaming during formative years. I’ve seen folks hand a 3 year old an ipad. I “played” NES with my mom at 3 but I sat in her lap and she moderated the time. She also spoke to me explaining the game or voicing characters (meaning I payed as much attention to her as the pixels). But a lot of parents hand off the game and leave. Even when I got to the point that games were too complex for her (we also have different tastes in games…my mom loves racing games and I don’t for instance), she would sit in my room and talk to me (me not realizing she was monitoring my intake and just considering it bonding time) about what I was playing and my thought process. She didn’t really have the free to do but she carved out that time to be an involved parent.
@DashKappei Not a 70s kid but afaik it was a mixture just like the 90’s panics (or even the music panics) with a general view of moral deviance and addiction. Addictive behavior was still part of the moral outrage.
https://reason.com/2014/05/07/a-short-history-of-game-panics/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/popularity-fortnite-common-20th-century-pinball-craze-180970721/
@Ryu_Niiyama
The ESRB rating does not cover addictiveness:
https://www.esrb.org/ratings-guide/
A lawsuit like this could change it.
@Olliemar28 My parents installed a program on the family PC that disabled the internet connection after a few hours. (Back in the dail-up internet days)
Ofcourse I was clever enough to get around that program my parents installed. (Which ended up costing my allowance for a few months, oops)
Won’t talk about the new season. But will talk about this. Thanks guys.
Taken to court for making a video game... "very very addictive"?
Alexei Pajitnov must be sweating bullets now.
@Thwomp_Stomper They'd get sued for even talking about it; the new season is too addictive!
@MH4 I know right!
😂 I needed a good chuckle.
Bro, if this was the Steins;Gate series they'd have 7,700 hours and still haven't even got all the endings to the original Steins;Gate, let alone 0, My Darling's Embrace, Elite, and that one other game no one knows about.
As someone who plays Fortnite very regularly, I have a few thoughts.
I can see the concerns. Some of the tactics with the level up quests can be seen as encouraging more playtime (such as making missions disappear after an amount of time has passed).
However, ultimately this sounds like parents refusing to take accountability for letting their kids get addicted to a video game.
The only way you can get addicted to Fortnite is the same way you'd get addicted to any other fun game you really enjoy - allowing yourself to. Similar to games like Tetris, Fortnite can have a very "one more game" air to it that makes you want to play more; however, one must have the self control to stop playing.
Children don't have that kind of self control. Growing up, my parents only allowed me to play games on the weekends and I'm glad they did - I absolutely would've become more of an extreme gaming fanatic had they not put in measures such as this to prevent that.
TL;DR - To me, this sounds like Epic Games made a fun game, kids got unrestricted access to said fun game, parents wonder why kids won't stop playing said fun game and decide to sue said fun game instead of parenting their kids.
@MH4
But . . Isn’t fortnite a bit rubbish x
Btw Nintendo, Splatoon and Mario can be addicting.
Nintendo:
@Dragonslacker1 I don’t see what’s rubbish about it. Been playing on and off for a few years and enjoy my time. If it’s the money making part of it then that could be said about mostly all free to play games.
Parents: "We're too lazy to be good role models and let our kids do whatever they want, which means it's the games' faults they're addicted!"
I've seen firsthand parents who don't discipline their kids vs parents who do. This court case should've been thrown out.
Here we go again with the same game romp feast of Games cause people to be Killers. This comes down to LACK OF parental guidance. This is pretty clear Whom at fault here, get in-touch with your kids/teens/adolescence maybe that will do good for both sides for a healthy family. In these days of lack of face to face communications and honest family time is why they blame someone else whom becomes the parents rather then blame themselves for their own mess. WHERE did Adult responsibility GO??????
This parent is not thinking big enough, why just go after Epic when she can also target Apple for making almost the whole world addicted to cellphones for other reasons that they originally were intended for.
This is nothing more than bad parenting.
There is no reason they can win this case.
Man people suing anyone they can for literally anything is ridiculous these days. Way to waste everyone's time for being a ***** parent.
Just like another said why not blame iPhone for being addictive and SUE Apple???? I betcha any sum of money those parents use their iPhone 24/7 even when in of all places bed. They should remove all electronics devices for a week and take some face to face family time and see why they shouldn't be parents.
Situations like this always prove to me how history just keeps repeating itself. This to me is similar when parents were worried about rock n' roll and metal music making the kids rebellious in the 70's and 80's. Not too long ago there was all this hoopla about getting Joe Rogan off the air JUST LIKE what Howard Stern went through pretty much his whole career years before.
Those are just the tip of the iceberg of examples that are out there.
Why take responsibility for being a crappy parent when you can just blame somebody else for your kid's bad behaviour and sue them?
Another opportunity for general news sites to put "Fortnite maker" in their titles instead of Epic Games because of course.
"lawyers claiming that Epic Games hired psychologists to assist in making the title as addictive as possible and provided players with no warnings of these effects."
These guys are lawyers?
Always love when people talk about how when they were a kid their parents pulled the plug. Yeah, mine cut the controller cords. If only it were that easy now. There's no single source to cut off a kid from the Internet and gaming now, and it hasn't been that way in a long time. They'll find a way around any attempt at blocking access and get devious too. I know I did, and that was decades ago with a MUD and MMO addiction. Kids are using the Internet and devices starting in Kindergarten now. Parents need to establish healthy use of this thing that isn't going away and cannot be cut off. Blaming Fortnite is useless; it may be the most prominent target but there's hundreds of them. The only good that will come of this is if it inspires parents to be more alert to what their kids are doing and how much Internet time they're getting. I can just shut off the Internet in my house at night and put all controllers and portables in a lockbox or I can establish healthy boundaries so that I wouldn't need to, because those draconian measures would just ensure my kids are going to find a way around me.
@dskatter
if the allegation is true, it's more like McDonald's hired food scientists specifically to formulate a chemically addictive recipe, and now you can't stop eating their food and you don't know why.
I'm not making a value judgement, just pointing out to you that your analogy is incorrect. 👍
This is baffling to me. It's not the game, its the parents
This argument again? I'd love for a plaintiff's attorney to prove that game developers/publishers specifically design their games to be "addictive." If I were the judge, I'd ask for a very, very clear definition of addictive vs fun, and criteria to know how to evaluate a game to be "fun" but not "addictive" at the same time. Because, winning the case I would think would require the court to provide a method or criteria on how the developer should ensure their game is merely legally "fun" and not criminally "addictive" per the ruling. Defense attorney would push HARD for an objective measure to be established to prevent future cases - which never happens because these things are usually thrown out or settled out of court.
The point of games is to be enticing. The game is free and needs a way to make money. FOMO is literally the way they make their money.
Parents need to have talks with children about these games, which do have gambling-esque systems that coerce you to keep playing or spending. I speak with parents a lot about this.
It’s not the game that’s evil or the developers. They are doing what they are supposed to be doing. But it’s the parents job to help children navigate that. Discuss with them the worth of skins, obtained either through hours or play or money. I’ve actually had great talks with families about this where they end up changing how they think about the games and everyone is happy.
Parents are like “why can’t they stop?” Because in the old days mom and dad could pause the game and Peach waited. Now your squad dies, if you didn’t rack up enough points by a specific day you miss something forever, etc.
These parents are in the wrong. Spend more time parenting and less time litigating and it’ll be fine.
It's strange because this is subjective, I barely play Fortnite, won a few royals then was like meh, the gameplay did very little. However I used to be highly addicted to Unreal tournament 2003/2004, literally would play 12-16 hours straight sometimes at Uni, never get bored of out fighting other teams, especially on custom 64 player maps.
If Epic actually ever re released that, with the amount of skins in Fortnite, that would actually make the kids realise how mediocre Fortnite really is.
I think it is actually a lack of strong competitive competition that helps Fortnite so much, but at least there's even variety in those regards these days too. Never once thought Fortnite intentionally addictive. Highly monetised and attractive to youth, but not actually addictive. It's more down to people not wanting to spend money on trying other things, why people consistently go back, the creators making new content to make it still interesting to do so. Oh and the simple fact that because so many people play it gives you a conversation. It's honestly a made for kids soap opera.
Edit: Roblox on the other hand? That one seems dodgy to me just because of how meh it is, yet how it has such a huge player base. My niece plays and I tease her she's a Roblox zombie 😂.
I appreciate the sentiment but good luck in trying to actually prove it. Epic have got all the money in the world in order to say otherwise (as sad as that is to say.....).
Would definitely agree that it's too addicting though. I vividly remember a time where I was at a relative's house for the evening and their son had Fortnite installed on their PS4. Out of pure curiousity, I decided to give it a go and, despite absolutely hating how it played, I couldn't drag myself away from it. I played 20 matches before finally managing to stop myself and I've never touched it ever since.
I'm addicted to Resident Evil games! Should I sue Capcom?
They probably try to make their games as addictive as possible (just like any sane company would - addiction is what sells products after all)
@FroZtedFlake won’t be getting invited to any parties anytime soon.
Video game addiction is just as real as drug addiction, but do people ever sue drug manufacturers for simply making drugs, knowing full well that these substances are addictive? Why in the world do we still have caffeine and alcohol in our lives then?
It's about moderation, it's about diversifying one's interests, and it's about good parenting. My goodness me, what are these parents thinking?
It’s like crack!
Gotta love it when parents blame the game but not yourself, if your kid is putting that many hours, guess what you as a parent do? Make them take a break! But noooo it’s the games fault that your kid decides to play for millions of hours at a time.
Guess you better sue capcom, because i think they made there gameplay loop addictive on purpose, and they made me put 40 hours in the first week! Shame on you! Like my goodness, I love Fortnite and play it semi regularly, addictive, i think Fortnite is hardly the most addictive game out there, but it might be to someone else because that word, for video games, is vary subjective, and Varys greatly from person to person.
@Ryu_Niiyama Admittedly I'm not wasting any time reading the details of a completely frivolous lawsuit that's in French, which I don't read, but if this case is covid related, ie the kids were home for 6 months while schools were closed, and the parents couldn't watch them every minute b/c they had to work form home remotely, well I can't just throw all parents under the bus for trying to make the best of a bad situation.
But like I said, didn't read, it, probably just a Chad and Karen doing their thing.😂
@OFFICIALMichi
Your entire argument breaks down and sounds like outright fantasy because you think this breaks down to more often than not rebellious children actually listening to their parents when on the other side are the developers and psychologists they employ to hook players especially impressionable ones into gambling habits by as you mentioned using tactics such as you said like not letting their teammates down by just not losing a match but mainly because they’ll fail to get a item that they and others have already given money towards to acquire. The way this stuff is set up is designed is borderline kafkaesque, the lootcrate ***** was at least honest about what it was, we’ve had EA’s laughable “ethical” surprise box moment for loot crates but we’ve yet to have one that brutally deconstructs battle passes and the culture around them.
Thank fook these idiotic parents weren't around when I has Super Mario Kart on the SNES.
To all parents involved - ye are useless *****
disclaimer: Im a parent.
the parents could of blocked the game on the router
put a nanny vise on his account
or maybe just change the wifi password
like, what were the parents doing at all for two years?
@ModdedInkling are you not paying attention to all the opioid lawsuits still ongoing?
They even got the pharmacies to pay. Will Apple, Microsoft or Steam pay up just for offering these games?
I for one think the cases are bullcrap.. even for opioids. People need to take control and be responsible for their own lives
It's a sue, sure, sue happy world,
A lawsuit for me, a lawsuit you,
It's a sue, sure, sure happy world,
Let's sue eachother,
Forever till the end of time!
I hate parents with zero accountability
@Ryu_Niiyama I agree i wasnt aloud to play that many video games aswell growing up I always had friends come over to play outside and that is literally what we did sun up to sundown unless we had major activities. Now I do clock in a few more hours of video games because my friends are nearby anymore. I do think the arguement about its the parent is very true just take the stuff away if you don't want them to use it or use it so much. A BOOK IS ALWAYS GOOD. Another thing why would you sue someone over your bad parenting that is just crazy to me. I know if its to much time on a video game its bad but if its to much time on a book its good IDK.
@ChakraStomps They literately just added a parental controls feature on fortnite so why don't you use that or just take the Dang thing away.
Maybe the parents are addicted to streaming shows? How much do they use Hulu or Netflix?
@rjejr I know the pancake was a special case, but people have their kids home for summers and have to juggle kid with free time vs working. I’m not suggesting helicopter parents (kids can’t live in a bubble) but being a proactive/involved parent is key. Building a foundation of moderation means you don’t have to stalk the child later. Which is what I was saying about the formative years. That being said this is armchair/I was a child once talk. I still think good parenting is key but the panorama tested everyone.
@Ryu_Niiyama The kid will probably throw the book at you.
@Twilite9 That is a pretty astute point. I would like to add that maybe it's not the case of people not knowing the games being addictive, since that narrative can be traced back to the 90' and possibly even earlier, but they just don't care. I do not know if an additional sticker on a game cover will help with those cases, especially when a parent will not even see it when a kid downloads something from an online store (like the Epic store).
On a sidenote, they could employ those "addictiveness specialists" for some AAA games so that the next time I launch a pricey game, it won't be an open world marker based copy paste experience that will make me feel like I'm working instead of playing.
Hopefully the courts throw away this case out like last weeks trash. Absolutely ridiculous if they’re suing with this as their claim. Developers goal is always to make a game profitable and alluring to gamers, whether it’s overly addictive is the fault of the parent or the person themself.
It's clearly Epic Games' fault! What would you expect a parent to do? Take responsibility?! Such a silly notion!
very very addictive? Should we sue Nintendo too for the existence of the Switch? 🧐
As much as I dislike Epic and would love to see their lifeline be obliterated, the parents are at fault here. If the kids don't want to listen, then it's time to turn the console off, unplug it and hide it if you have to. If I was told to turn it off when I was a kid I did so (even if I did argue a little I knew when to fold 'em). These kids today (not all of them mind you) just aren't parented.
I don't know what these people want (other than money)?
They'd sue Nintendo for Mario being "too addicting" if parents saw their kids playing "too much Mario".
My total playtime for as long as I've had my switch on my main account totals at around 5959 hours. And that's for over 5 years. Jesus 7700 hours
"Addictive" is an interesting way to spell "hot garbage."
Partly-meant jokes aside, these parents are to blame for not properly training their children to control their gaming time. I'm assuming they used the term "children" because this isn't a thirty-year-old basement dweller, so in that case they should exercise their parental authority on these wayward dependents... or kick them out if my assumption was correct.
I'm interested in hearing the arguments.
You can't just blame parents for children falling victim to corporate exploitation. Our society is saturated with consumerist manipulation.
I swear, if this ends up being a world where video games are banned/illegal here. lol
@Falco1863 pretty sure this happens in every country.
I'm not usually one to advocate for strict parenting, but this is pathetic. Parents, take responsibility. If you don't want your kid to spend 80 hours a week playing Fortnite, don't let them. You are basically suing Epic for making a good desirable product. You don't let them eat KFC every night do you? This is exactly the same thing.
Really? Just really? Suing a studio because they made a game quote “too addicting”? How about they get off their lazy behinds and ACTUALLY parent their kids! I hope the parents get laughed out of court. I bet even fortnite haters find this to be stupid.
@Jey887 true play dark souls or terraria for gods sake and also that's probably an over overagsaturated amount of hours as in maybe all their playtime on the ps4 or maybe it's just all fortnite time with what the parents said im not on anyones side but like take away the console or allow limited hours of play like on my console but better time management or all out destroying the console is key to solving the problem here.
This is like when the film "Super Size Me" called out McDonald's evil practice of using sugar, salt, sugar and fat to.......make food taste good.
Literally the job of game devs. How on earth did the kid spend 7,700 hours in one game?! I thought I was addicted to Animal Crossing, and I’ve only spent 235 hours in it.😂 This is my I try to avoid games without a definite end.
@Ryu_Niiyama Was pancake an autocorrect for pandemic or did someone sue McDonalds for a bad breakfast.😉
All the latchkey kids of my gen grew up to be helicopter parents this gen b/c we know what we were like, and are thankful every day smartphone cameras hadn’t been invented yet.😂
Even as a helicopter stay-at-home homemaker parent my kids STILL spent too much time on screens playing PC and video games, and once the pandemic hit and they realized they could play D&D and Discord w/ their friends they practically never get off of screens anymore, but I’m not daft enough to sue a game company over it, I blame Covid.😁
@Mrkittyhead 7,700 hours in two years is 44% of all hours (including time that should be spent on things like sleeping and going to school). That amount sounds a little sus.
The parents probably should've cut the WiFi or something at that rate.
My eyes are rolling so hard. Hopefully the judge sees it for the frivolous tactic that it is to make money. Or at least calls them out on their poor parenting skills.
Because there's certainly no such thing as:
The power button
Grounding
Taking the game away
Setting time limits
Its the same ol song and dance
@Goofonzo Greedy garbage parents.
Are you saying that if a gaming company makes a really good game is wrong and should be illegal?!
What backwards logic is this?!
Those parents need to just do better at parenting! If the problem is that their kids are already good kids and haven't done anything to deserve taking away their game then those parents obviously do not spend enough quality time with their kids and are just looking for an excuse to cover up for their own shortcomings.
(Also maybe they are just being greedy and want some easy money.)
Two things I will blame: the careless parents and fortnite existence.
Finally something lawful has been done about this slimy cash cow, predator with kids 😡😡
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