You need to have perspective, medium to long-term thinking. If you have that you see that there is only one video games company. Sony and Microsoft are not gaming companies, we all know that.
You lack perspective. I loved playing DA Inquisition and Shadow of Mordor on my PS4; not everything has to have the tone of a damn Kirby game! It's your kind of closed-mindedness that has pigeonholed gaming and its enthusiasts for decades! If you don't like serious games then don't play them, but don't pretend that that kind of tone makes them any less of games.
Probably the biggest reason I've fallen away from Nintendo's consoles is that they stopped making (quality) serious games where you journey through a world, like 3D Zelda, Metroid Prime, and Paper Mario.
The deepest games on Nintendo platforms right now are Majora's Mask, Monster Hunter 4, Ocarina of Time, Bayonetta 2, and the Wind Waker. That most of those are remakes should highlight the problem with current Nintendo. Sony stepped up to expand their first party and exclusive game library, specifically with narrative games, this gen, and Nintendo just didn't and is letting next gen slow their development studios to a halt. Why would someone buy a Wii U right now? All it is it 2D platformers, party games, and scattered Platinum titles, only the later of which has any kind of substantial story. Not everyone is attracted to bright colors and precisely zero narrative substance. And certainly not everyone has gamer friends to enjoy Mario Kart and Smash Bros with.
And, despite their numerous faults, I wouldn't exactly describe Nintendo as ruthless, if anything they're being uncompetitive in the console market. The Nintendo Direct System is pretty consumer-minded.
Nintendo created the video game business out of love! They weren't in it for the money by copying what Atari, Intellivision, and Colecovision (among others) did years before them! Nintendo were the originators of home gaming and provided it to the masses to spread joy to the world! Any company that came after Nintendo (ignoring all those that came before them...) are only greedy companies in the business to make money! Everyone who makes games for Sony and Microsoft don't care about their product or have any imagination. Only Nintendo is creative and does their fans right!
Did you also know that Nintendo invented playing cards in the late 1800's as well? Every company that has come after them that produces cards is just in it for the money and doesn't care about making poker players happy.
This isn't satire. Satire requires humor or insight, of which this has neither. What Nintendo fanboy/girl thinks like this? You are mocking only your preconceived image of a fanboy/girl.
The deepest games on Nintendo platforms right now are Majora's Mask, Monster Hunter 4, Ocarina of Time, Bayonetta 2, and the Wind Waker.
Yeah, see, this perception is part of the problem too. "Serious" 3rd party games sell like crap on Nintendo systems because people like to pretend they don't exist.
In Wii U's first year on the market (North America):
Assassin's Creed III
Batman: Arkham City
Call of Duty: Black Ops II
Darksiders II
FIFA 13
Madden NFL 13
Mass Effect 3
NBA 2K13
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge
Warriors Orochi 3: Hyper Edition
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
ZombiU
007 Legends
Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2
The Amazing Spider-Man
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct
Injustice: Gods Among Us
Resident Evil: Revelations
Sniper Elite V2
Splinter Cell: Blacklist
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Batman: Arkham Origins
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Granted, a couple of those are bad licensed games, some are last gen ports, and nobody should have paid $60 for Mass Effect 3 while the entire trilogy was $50 everywhere else, but that's actually pretty decent support from publishers making "serious" games. But no one bought them. I'm sure Mario Kart 8 and Smash outsold all of those combined. We saw very few of these games in the Wii U's second year. But if you want to know why, it's because anyone you ask will tell you that Bayonetta 2 is the most serious game on the Wii U.
Why would someone buy a Wii U right now? All it is it 2D platformers, party games, and scattered Platinum titles, only the later of which has any kind of substantial story.
Well, because it has (so far) 25 games, to me, that were worth buying.
2 are 2D platformers (Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze and Rayman Legends)
0 are party games (unless you count Mario Kart)
3 are Platinum titles (guess which)
The other 20 are just good games. Sorry they don't interest you.
Why would someone buy a Wii U right now? All it is it 2D platformers, party games, and scattered Platinum titles, only the later of which has any kind of substantial story.
Why do most people buy a PS4 or Xbone. Mostly just for the yearly FIFA and COD games. Nintendo may not offer the deepest stories, but at least they offer games that are sorely lacking on Playstation and Xbox consoles. Not only that, but Sony's games seem to add depth to stories, just to remove it from the gameplay. I've been content with just owning a Playstation until the PS3. I bought a Wii U because Sony's first party studios went in the completely wrong direction as far as I'm concerned.
Nintendo created the video game business out of love! They weren't in it for the money by copying what Atari, Intellivision, and Colecovision (among others) did years before them! Nintendo were the originators of home gaming and provided it to the masses to spread joy to the world! Any company that came after Nintendo (ignoring all those that came before them...) are only greedy companies in the business to make money! Everyone who makes games for Sony and Microsoft don't care about their product or have any imagination. Only Nintendo is creative and does their fans right!
Did you also know that Nintendo invented playing cards in the late 1800's as well? Every company that has come after them that produces cards is just in it for the money and doesn't care about making poker players happy.
This isn't satire. Satire requires humor or insight, of which this has neither. What Nintendo fanboy/girl thinks like this? You are mocking only your preconceived image of a fanboy/girl.
And understanding sarcasm and satire requires reading comprehension and the ability to understand context.
It's painfully obvious I was mocking the tone of the guy both myself and Caviar were responding too. Try to keep up.
Did you also know that Nintendo invented playing cards in the late 1800's as well? Every company that has come after them that produces cards is just in it for the money and doesn't care about making poker players happy.
Did you also know that Nintendo invented playing cards in the late 1800's as well? Every company that has come after them that produces cards is just in it for the money and doesn't care about making poker players happy.
You don't play poker with Hanafuda cards...
Thank you for deconstructing my BS and exaggerations
Did you also know that Nintendo invented playing cards in the late 1800's as well? Every company that has come after them that produces cards is just in it for the money and doesn't care about making poker players happy.
You don't play poker with Hanafuda cards...
Thank you for deconstructing my BS and exaggerations
The deepest games on Nintendo platforms right now are Majora's Mask, Monster Hunter 4, Ocarina of Time, Bayonetta 2, and the Wind Waker.
Yeah, see, this perception is part of the problem too. "Serious" 3rd party games sell like crap on Nintendo systems because people like to pretend they don't exist.
In Wii U's first year on the market (North America):
Assassin's Creed III
Batman: Arkham City
Call of Duty: Black Ops II
Darksiders II
FIFA 13
Madden NFL 13
Mass Effect 3
NBA 2K13
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge
Warriors Orochi 3: Hyper Edition
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
ZombiU
007 Legends
Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2
The Amazing Spider-Man
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct
Injustice: Gods Among Us
Resident Evil: Revelations
Sniper Elite V2
Splinter Cell: Blacklist
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Batman: Arkham Origins
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Granted, a couple of those are bad licensed games, some are last gen ports, and nobody should have paid $60 for Mass Effect 3 while the entire trilogy was $50 everywhere else, but that's actually pretty decent support from publishers making "serious" games. But no one bought them. I'm sure Mario Kart 8 and Smash outsold all of those combined. We saw very few of these games in the Wii U's second year. But if you want to know why, it's because anyone you ask will tell you that Bayonetta 2 is the most serious game on the Wii U.
Why would someone buy a Wii U right now? All it is it 2D platformers, party games, and scattered Platinum titles, only the later of which has any kind of substantial story.
Well, because it has (so far) 25 games, to me, that were worth buying.
2 are 2D platformers (Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze and Rayman Legends)
0 are party games (unless you count Mario Kart)
3 are Platinum titles (guess which)
The other 20 are just good games. Sorry they don't interest you.
I don't need those third party games, I was fine without them on Wii and I'm fine without them on Wii U. I just want Nintendo's deep narrative adventures to make a come back.
Nintendo created the video game business out of love! They weren't in it for the money by copying what Atari, Intellivision, and Colecovision (among others) did years before them! Nintendo were the originators of home gaming and provided it to the masses to spread joy to the world! Any company that came after Nintendo (ignoring all those that came before them...) are only greedy companies in the business to make money! Everyone who makes games for Sony and Microsoft don't care about their product or have any imagination. Only Nintendo is creative and does their fans right!
Did you also know that Nintendo invented playing cards in the late 1800's as well? Every company that has come after them that produces cards is just in it for the money and doesn't care about making poker players happy.
This isn't satire. Satire requires humor or insight, of which this has neither. What Nintendo fanboy/girl thinks like this? You are mocking only your preconceived image of a fanboy/girl.
And understanding sarcasm and satire requires reading comprehension and the ability to understand context.
It's painfully obvious I was mocking the tone of the guy both myself and Caviar were responding too. Try to keep up.
It's easy for the person being sarcastic to spot their own sarcasm on the internet. Everyone has a different tone to their writing, a different sense of humor, and especially a different sarcastic voice. So your not unfunny pointless sarcasm doesn't even register to me until it descends into the absolute nadir of painfully trite mocking. And do try to be anthropomorphic cancer less often.
All I can say is that I've had Transistor sitting dormant in my Steam Library for a few months and I only just got around to booting it up. That game is only on PC + PS4 as are, unsurprisingly, quite a number of great indie games. So this idea that the PS4 has "no games", what a load.
As I see it each platform has it's positives and negatives:
The PC owns indies, gets bits and pieces from every platform and patchy third party love
The XBOne gets skipped by a lot of the smaller devs but gets a bit more third party love than PC
The PS4 is basically the same as the XBOne but with different exclusives and more indie love
The Wii U gets no third party love but is doing a good job with small devs and have the best first party devs
Get more than one? The negatives of one are cancelled out by equivalent positives on the others. So take your pick:
PC + PS4/XBOne -> All the third party support, all the indies, the majority of the "exclusives" but no Nintendo
PS4 + XBOne -> All the third party support, all of the "exclusives", a decent amount of indie support but no Nintendo
PS4 + Wii U -> Most of the indies, most of the third party support, Nintendo's stuffs but only half "exclusives"
XBOne + Wii U -> Most of the third party support, Nintendo's stuffs but only half "exclusives" and less indie support
PC + Wii U -> Most of the third party, all the indies, the "boring half" of the "exclusives" and all of Nintendo's stuff
I'd say the rehashing just means that the game industry has caught up with movies. Still can we at least keep the remakes to 6th gen and older? I'm so sick of "definitive edition" games just because the sony and microsoft systems don't have BC and they need to pad the library.
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Maybe you would consider not taking my post out of the context of THE LITERAL NEXT PHRASE: "I was fine without them on Wii and I'm fine without them on Wii U."
I don't buy Nintendo systems to play multiplatform third party games, but that doesn't mean I don't want to play all those games. When I want to play DA Inquisition and Shadow of Mordor and, god-willing, Elder Scrolls 6 this decade, I'll just get them on PS4. Lazy Wii U ports are only useful for monogamers and, honestly, I don't know why anyone would monogame on a Wii U. There's just not as much stuff as there was on Wii or is on any of the other systems, especially not with regards to games with a strong narrative.
All gameplay and no story makes [many people] dead inside.
A Mass Effect 3 without the previous two. I heard Deus Ex HR was a bit strange on Wii U. And most of these games just look worse on Wii U as the devs don't put the work into optimizing them.
A Mass Effect 3 without the previous two. I heard Deus Ex HR was a bit strange on Wii U. And most of these games just look worse on Wii U as the devs don't put the work into optimizing them.
Mass Effect was definitely bad business, but I don't think it was laziness, at least not on part of the developer. What was there was well optimized and polished. We'll probably never know the whole story behind EA's baffling "unprecedented partnership" though. They put the whole trilogy on PS360/PC around the same time for $50. It was certainly bizarre.
I'd have to disagree on Deus Ex. I bought it on both PS3 and Wii U. Both of them had about the same amount of polish, at least to my eyes, but I really appreciated the Gamepad use on Wii U. Was very convenient to have my inventory and character sheet right in front of me. Ended up trading in the PS3 version. In fairness though, the Xbox 360 version was most likely the best optimized and polished though. Most multiplats last gen just ran better on 360. It took developers years to figure out the PS3's cell processor.
I don't think Wii U ports started looking noticeably worse until the PS4/XB1 came out. The first year was pretty strong for 3rd party efforts. They just didn't pay off for them.
I think overall you, and gamers with habits similar to yours, might be sending Nintendo mixed messages. It's well-known that Nintendo first party games are by far the best sellers on Nintendo hardware. A lot of people like yourself pretty much just buy a Nintendo to play Nintendo games. That probably sends the message to Nintendo that "our audience likes the sort of games we make." Maybe if the serious, realistic games that people play on other systems were more popular on Nintendo consoles, Nintendo might think their customers appreciated those sorts of games.
Probably not a fair message, as there are good reasons why those games sell better on other hardware (more power, better online, etc), but Nintendo has always been a little slow to understand the larger market.
A Mass Effect 3 without the previous two. I heard Deus Ex HR was a bit strange on Wii U. And most of these games just look worse on Wii U as the devs don't put the work into optimizing them.
I think overall you, and gamers with habits similar to yours, might be sending Nintendo mixed messages. It's well-known that Nintendo first party games are by far the best sellers on Nintendo hardware. A lot of people like yourself pretty much just buy a Nintendo to play Nintendo games. That probably sends the message to Nintendo that "our audience likes the sort of games we make." Maybe if the serious, realistic games that people play on other systems were more popular on Nintendo consoles, Nintendo might think their customers appreciated those sorts of games.
Probably not a fair message, as there are good reasons why those games sell better on other hardware (more power, better online, etc), but Nintendo has always been a little slow to understand the larger market.
Now that's some self-fulfilling prophecy stuff right there. Nintendo got too lazy to make a good version of their narrative games, like the first 4 3D Zeldas, the first 3 Paper Marios, and the Metroid Prime Trilogy, for the better part of a decade so people don't want them anymore? That's like saying people don't want anymore good Megaman / RE games.
Also notice how the weak sequels always have 'SS' as their subtitle initials? Nazi Illuminati Confirmed.
Now that's some self-fulfilling prophecy stuff right there. Nintendo got too lazy to make a good version of their narrative games, like the first 4 3D Zeldas, the first 3 Paper Marios, and the Metroid Prime Trilogy, for the better part of a decade so people don't want them anymore? That's like saying people don't want anymore good Megaman / RE games.
Can't really blame them. Part of the reason that Sticker Star had such a watered down story is because nobody in Club Nintendo surveys cared about the story of the last 3 games. And I guess they were right, because Sticker Star is the best selling Paper Mario game.
And I hardly think that bringing back the director of Super Metroid, hiring a massive team from multiple studios, and putting more focus on cinematics and narrative than ever before really counts as "lazy." Sakamoto is the George Lucas of video games, but it certainly wasn't an issue of lack of ambition. Issue was that nobody at any point seemed to have put a hand on his shoulder and said "Hey... man... I really appreciate what you've done and all, but this script you wrote is trash." And maybe hiring the studio that brought you Tits or Alive to take on one of the most important and iconic female protagonists in history was a mistake, but I found their gameplay pretty tight and enjoyable anyway.
Skyward Sword was fine, and may it haunt you forever.
Extending on the thought in my previous post I went to metacritic and measured it. Of the top 10 reviewed games in 2014 if you only have one platform it looks like this:
but if you own two platforms..... Retail:
10/10: Wii U + XBOne/PS4/PC (edit: this should be 9/10 not 10/10)
7/10: PS4 + XBOne/PC
6/10: PC + XBOne
Indie:
10/10: PC + PS4 (basically the only highly rated indies from 2014 that weren't on PC were on PS4)
9/10: Wii U + PS4
8/10: PC + XBOne/Wii U, XBOne + PS4
5/10: XBOne + Wii U
There is literally nothing on the Wii U when it comes to indies that makes it worth having.
Shows that metacritic is a broken metric. Might be that a mediocre game gets reviewed better on the Wii U for whatever reason but that doesn't make it a better game.
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