Topic: The Wii U vs. current interests of the console market

What great exclusives? The system's BEST reviewed retail exclusive is InFAMOUS Second Son with an 80 on Metacritic. And a reasonable price compared to what? It's the most expensive system on the market right now.

Let's say the Wii is my only 7th gen system, and I don't have an 8th gen system. Let's say I'm interested in getting the PS4 and it's 10 best reviewed full "retail-level) games.

Those are (NEW from Amazon):
GTA V- $20/$53
TLOU- $26/$41
Diablo 3- $26/$41
Rayman Legends- $24/$31
Dragon Age Inquisition- $52/$60
Fifa 14- $22/ $20
Final Fantasy 14- $19/$28
Battlefield 4- $20/$30
NBA 2K14- $18/$19
Far Cry 4- $40/$38

The first number is the price of each of those games on PS3, the second is the price on PS4. So I can get a near identical experience PLUS free online and backwards compatibility for HALF the price of the system, and significantly reduced game prices. That's not even factoring in the consideration of the far larger library the PS3 has. If you already have a PS3, you save $400 outright.

Sure, the PS4 has multiplats, but they are multiplats that happen to be available at a much lower initial cost on other systems.

But it had PLENTY of games that weren't on PS2/XB/GC.

It's clear that main issue with getting PS4 and XB1 is the PS3 and 360 are still being supported. If Microsoft and Sony went the same way Nintendo did (stop creating games for the old system, take down the online services, make plenty of new games for the new system rather than just HD remakes after HD remakes, etc.) then you would have a much larger number of reasons to get the newer console. Of course the online services removal wasn't Nintendo's fault but GameSpy instead though had it not happened I think it's safe to assume Wii U sales would've been significantly worse (including software sales).

I added some emphasis to the relevant bits of what you were quoting. I'm not saying it has a lot of exclusives and if I'm being honest if I got one right now I'd probably only grab GTAV and The Last of Us. But I think it's fair to say that it's getting a middling amount of exclusives. That has been the impression I've got anyways.

And just to double check I'm going to post the number of proper exclusives (not timed or "console") as reported by Wiki for each of Wii U, PS4 and XBOne. I'm not going to edit my post before this point prior to actually counting so if I'm wrong about this I'll look like an idiot! So here goes:
XBOne: 18
Wii U: 43
PS4: 27

Well cool, now I don't look like an idiot

I'm not saying it's not getting exclusives, but I if Metacritic is any indication, the PS4's exclusives minus InFAMOUS aren't particularly good. What I'm saying is that the PS4 is last in exclusives and last in price.

you do realize none of that criteria actual describe what Dudebro would be right. i mean by that Logic everything but a small sibject set of games fall under Dudebro somehow.

also with the expect I on of maybe the Order is their such a thing as prioritizing story over gameplay.

That's my point. There's a very narrow variety of games being made nowadays.

I mean cinematic games, and The Order is a good example of that. Tons of cutscenes, low interactivity, QTEs, etc.

Except that I would argue that:

• "console exclusives" aren't exclusives
• The XBOne's library isn't particularly deep either
• I was including titles that aren't out yet
• The only reason the XBOne is cheaper now is because of how well the PS4 sold

Effectively I'm saying that it's an "average" option because...
for exclusive content: Wii U > PC > PS4 >= XBOne
for price when it mattered: Wii U > XBOne > PS4 > PC
for multiplatform content: PC > PS4 >= XBOne > Wii U
for performance: PC > PS4 >= XBOne > Wii U

Well, first I don't think it makes much sense to include titles that aren't out there. Unless there is some temporary sale, games not out yet don't really add to the value of the system at the point of purchase.

Second, I don't think you are painting the whole picture. The PS3 and 360 are very much still supported systems, which is the crux of the problem here.
Exclusive content: PS3=360=Wii U (depending on who you ask, setting them equal because I don't want to get into an argument about that)>PC>XB1>=PS4
Price: 360>PS3>Wii U> XB1>PS4>PC
Multiplat content: 360=PS3>PC>>PS4>XB1>Wii U
Performance: PC>PS4>=XB1>>Wii U>PS3>360

And that's really the problem. In everything but performance, there are 2 or more better options to purchase beyond the PS4 or XB1

The thing about performance is that, at least in my opinion, it's not all that valuable beyond a certain point if you don't have software designed around that performance. Prettier graphics, faster load times, etc are nice and all, but their impacts on the fundamental user experience aren't really that notable.

Well titles not out yet and the perception of future support doesn't get people to buy a platfrom but they are a factor. It's why we see threads on the forums here wondering whether or not the Wii U is worth it because people are worried about "future support". I think at this point it's hard to argue that the XBOne's future is looking as solid as the PS4's is in that regard. Also you've had a go at the PS4 for it's lack of compelling games, listed only one you thought mattered, how many does the XBOne have?

And I don't think there's much reason to bring previous generation platforms into the discussion. They've been supported fairly well up until now but they're starting to fall back quickly. Of the 36 "newest" games listed from one of my local retailers for XBOne the vast majority are also headed to PS4 but only ~1/6th are headed to 360. Compared to the same 36 newest games for the 360 where pretty much everything there is also on XBOne/PS4 or the Wii U where ~3/4 of that first page are games that are only on the Wii U.

@Dipper723 only made it to 4:23 cause the guy seems to just be on a rant talking about a small vocal minority of a group. I am one of those people that thinks the PS4 is kinda getting a pass but I don't think Metacritic scores matter. So I don't think his video is really saying anything.

This study is relevant.
http://nintendoeverything.com/nielsen-survey-consumers-mainly...

Though it's also a bit vague and or confusing. What is "fun factor". What "innovative" or "immersive" features does the XB1 even have?

XB1's "innovation" is probably the all in one entertainment stuff. Not sure what fun factor refers to though.

The video is just saying that people have different opinions, and if people think the PS4 is the better console, it's their opinion.

I made it to the end and he honestly said nothing of value, and actually contradicted what he said near the halfway point by the end...it's a fact that no one cares about the Wii U's games? How? How does he know this? We don't have detailed game sales data in the United States, a large playerbase. Hell, we barely have hardware data. Yes, you can't have more sales than a console has sold, but last I checked, having over 2 million in 6 months was pretty damn good for most games. If we go by VGChartz, the only "source" of global games sales data the larger internet has access to, then a lot of Wii U games have passed the 2 million mark, and several of them came out in or after June 2014. In fact, two of the best-selling Wii U games are around the 4 million mark. Only 4 next gen games have actually surpassed them on any one platform...at the very least people are interested in the games. Sure, most of them are from Nintendo, and there's a bigger pool to choose from on the PS4 and Xbox One. If he had simply stuck to arguing that people who own the PS4 and Xbox One saw value in their systems and enjoyed the games they had for the systems, and that the naysayers who believe those systems don't deserve sales are simply projecting their own opinions, his argument would've been solid. Evidence is abundant for those claims. Instead, he kept going, and he basically ended the video by doing exactly what he was criticizing, only aimed at the Wii U, thus heavily muddling and even completely abandoning his original point.

Here I am sat in England and I do not recall seeing a wii u ad on TV.

It's amazing how different everyone's opinions are. It's like we all live different realities. Well, we do....

To me Nintendo are king. Nintendo are top dog and have been for a long time. You need to have perspective, medium to long-term thinking. If you have that you see that there is only one video games company. Sony and Microsoft are not gaming companies, we all know that. They didn't enter this business to create fun games for kids and families. Nintendo did that. The others came along to make some money. Off their customers. Not loyal supporters. Just customers. Fat westerners and their dollars, basically. People who defend those companies only do it because they've found a brand to fight for, it's not loyalty in the same way as we know it. Of course there are people who genuinely love Sony and whatever but pffffft, I'm cutting straight to the meat of it here.

I think the tide is turning again anyway. Slowly but surely. Because Nintendo have substance at the end of the day, they have been going for a very long time and will still be going after Sony and Microsoft are replaced by other competitors. Apple will probably come and bowl them both over and buy whatever franchises are keeping them afloat in the gaming industry. Nintendo will plough along, making fun games for people who want to have fun. The masses can have their filler, the title they overhype then play for 3 months then sell to buy the next overhyped poop, rinse and repeat. Don't worry about them. They're getting more and more bored every day of their subscription services and massive installations and paying for crappy online features and the same poopy games. I see it in all my mates that abandoned Nintendo around the Wii because they fell for brainwashing, thought it was kiddy, really they just didn't care enough about gaming to look into it for themselves. Gaming got so big that you could be fed what's new. That sucked in a lot of gamers and turned them into apathetic customers. But they're waking up now. They want to have fun again. I can see it in my friends eyes when they play the latest Mortal Kombat remake or another boring round of a war themed game or another lap in Forza. Boring. Who wants to play video games that try to emulate driving a loveyduvywuving car as accurately as possible. Who wants to pretend they're in a loveyduvywuvying world war seriously?! How is that fun, unless you want to be a killer? No, I think people want to have good wholesome fun again. Nintendo are still there for that.

Hahaha what a load of crap!!

If what you said was remotely true, Nintendo would be giving their games away for free, and not trying to squeeze pennies out of YouTubers who post videos of Nintendo games online. You are completely delusional if you think Nintendo isn't in the gaming business to make money...they are one of the most ruthless companies in the business! You do know that back in the 80's Nintendo tried to ban the rental of their games so they could make more money, right? That they basically held stores at ransom and forced them not to sell competitors products if they wanted to have access to Nintendo product stock.

And if you think the creation of Amiibos was 'for the fans' and not just a blatant attempt to squeeze every last dollar from their 'fans', you have truly lost your mind.

Just because you enjoy their games and believe they are well done (as do I) doesn't mean that Nintendo is a friendly, cuddly company that is more concerned with making people happy than making money fist over fist.

Keep drinking the Kool-aid!

Uhhh...

I'm a loyal supporter of Sony systems because for nearly 20 years now, they have hit me again and again with great hardware, great software, and a great balance of both Western and Japanese content and sensibilities. They have provided a service which I find fantastic and ahead of the curve (at least in the console space), have a bloody impeccable track record of supporting their old systems well after launch of the new (the PS2 was still getting games in 2012!), and have shown that they are willing to listen to the market. I haven't bought a PS4, because it's not for me, but for people who like a lot of Western AAA games and don't own a gaming PC, it's a great product and SEN is a great service.

Brand loyalty is something that often carries negative connotations, and maybe it should, but there's a lot of positives behind it too. When you buy a product and really enjoy it, you develop a sort of trust with the company. A consistency of enjoyable products can build a strong trust. Don't fool yourself into believing that brand loyalty works differently for Nintendo and any other entertainment company. People buy Sony and Microsoft products because they had a good experience with previous ones. Well, that and marketing/hype and "better resolution" apparently, but I digress.

^ not true!!

Nintendo created the video game business out of love! They weren't in it for the money by copying what Atari, Intellivision, and Colecovision (among others) did years before them! Nintendo were the originators of home gaming and provided it to the masses to spread joy to the world! Any company that came after Nintendo (ignoring all those that came before them...) are only greedy companies in the business to make money! Everyone who makes games for Sony and Microsoft don't care about their product or have any imagination. Only Nintendo is creative and does their fans right!

Did you also know that Nintendo invented playing cards in the late 1800's as well? Every company that has come after them that produces cards is just in it for the money and doesn't care about making poker players happy.