Peach being a damsel in distress has nothing to do with her gender, but her status as the last of royalty in the Mushroom Kingdom. The only major changes that'd occur if Peach was a prince is that Bowser wouldn't wanna marry but adopt him, and Mario and Luigi wouldn't get kisses for the rescue (or maybe they would, but it'd be unlikely).
I don't know why, but the thought of Bowser kidnapping a prince just to adopt him sounds very funny.
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I also don't understand why people get so defensive about what she's saying. I have yet to hear her say: playing or liking or making these games makes you a bad person - in fact in her later videos she says that up-front to try to get through to thickos who apparently don't understand that. What she's saying is, can we please stop having these tired-out cliches and pretending like the only people who play games are men and that it's not important how we portray women in games. The overreaction of some gamers to this is amazing and I can only assume it's because they cannot be bothered to hear an argument before forming an opinion on it. And regardless of how you feel about what she says demonising her or threatening her or anyone who agrees with her is NOT ON.
Your reluctance to believe that people might have a legitimate reason to criticise her is why this all seems so amazing to you. Just because I disagree does not meant I don't understand or 'get it'. Most people choose to look at evidence and think about things like this, not just take it at face value. Going into a discussion pretending that everyone who disagrees with you must simply be in a state of denial or not fully aware of what you're saying is simply childish.
Also, can we please stop pretending that everything wrong or bad a person does should be ignored simply because their intentions are seemingly pure? We get it, she claims she's trying to stamp out sexism in gaming - that doesn't mean her methods, beliefs, or pieces of evidence are worth believing, or not worth criticising. It doesn't mean we aren't listening to her argument, and it doesn't mean that our opinions formed on the matter are not legitimate.
all this misogyny debating and double standards and nobody has even mentioned how most protagonists in video games are WHITE males. The only examples I can think of off the top of my head that DON'T involve a White protagonist are Prey,(native american) Assassin's Creed 3,(native american) Prototype 2(black), Saints row 2(black). I know this is a can of worms just like this other stuff but felt it's relevant if we are going to critique games like that
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all this misogyny debating and double standards and nobody has even mentioned how most protagonists in video games are WHITE males. The only examples I can think of off the top of my head that DON'T involve a White protagonist are Prey,(native american) Assassin's Creed 3,(native american) Prototype 2(black), Saints row 2(black). I know this is a can of worms just like this other stuff but felt it's relevant if we are going to critique games like that
While more non-white characters would be awesome, I think it's better off being made as creative choice rather than a "you're not progressive if you don't!" choice. I feel the same about LGBT representation as well, as I personally believe all characters should be introduced in a story or piece of media with purpose rather than being a check mark on the diversity list. Especially since I believe things like sexuality or whether your sex matches your gender is "none of business until you make it business" type thing(as in private information unless it ends up relating to me, somehow via some sort of relationship (platonic or other wise)). Again, just my opinion. I'm sorry if offended anyone with it, also trying to word my stuff super carefully.
all this misogyny debating and double standards and nobody has even mentioned how most protagonists in video games are WHITE males. The only examples I can think of off the top of my head that DON'T involve a White protagonist are Prey,(native american) Assassin's Creed 3,(native american) Prototype 2(black), Saints row 2(black). I know this is a can of worms just like this other stuff but felt it's relevant if we are going to critique games like that
While more non-white characters would be awesome, I think it's better off being made as creative choice rather than a "you're not progressive if you don't!" choice. I feel the same about LGBT representation as well, as I personally believe all characters should be introduced in a story or piece of media with purpose rather than being a check mark on the diversity list. Especially since I believe things like sexuality or whether your sex matches your gender is "none of business until you make it business" type thing(as in private information unless it ends up relating to me, somehow via some sort of relationship (platonic or other wise)). Again, just my opinion. I'm sorry if offended anyone with it, also trying to word my stuff super carefully.
TOO LATE.ALREADY OFFENDED!!!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!!!
It's cool though I agree with the whole LGBT thing as well and it shouldn't be a just a check off list. Variety is the spice of life as some would say.
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Peach being a damsel in distress has nothing to do with her gender, but her status as the last of royalty in the Mushroom Kingdom. The only major changes that'd occur if Peach was a prince is that Bowser wouldn't wanna marry but adopt him, and Mario and Luigi wouldn't get kisses for the rescue (or maybe they would, but it'd be unlikely).
I don't know why, but the thought of Bowser kidnapping a prince just to adopt him sounds very funny.
Now that you mention it, it really is! Didn't even think about it. ^_^
Hard to take the "is game X sexist" seriously when this is how your government is behaving...
"I thought you might like to hear a man's voice," Senator Barry O'Sullivan's voice boomed during a fiery Senate estimates hearing on Tuesday morning.
This was to set the tone of the day's hearing where there was a much more aggressive edge to the Main Committee Room in Canberra than the day before.
When Labor senator Penny Wong accused Senator O'Sullivan of bullying and berating Professor Triggs, he shot back: "Oh dear, oh dear, Penny, settle down."
Later, Senator Wong accidentally began referring to the Attorney-General's Department's secretary, Chris Moraitis, as "Mr Moriarty". After apologising, she blamed it on reading too much Conan Doyle.
Senator MacDonald replied: "I am glad I did not say that. I would have been accused of other things, but anyhow, carry on."
"Reading the classics?" Senator Wong asked.
"You might have been accused of sexism, Senator Macdonald," Senator Brandis quipped.
"How is reading Conan Doyle sexist?" Senator Wong replied.
By the afternoon, he was telling Professor Triggs how he wanted her to answer the question.
"This is what I want you to do," he instructed. "I want you to speak in first person, you're talking about it in the third person."
Women could be heard quietly gasping in the audience.
"You might talk to your wife like that but not to senators," Sarah Hanson-Young schooled Senator MacDonald.
..... there may just perhaps be some slightly bigger fish to fry
Considering the fact that all of those people are the descendants of criminals, that was a rather civil exchange
Strong words coming from A TRAITOR TO THE EMPIRE! (this is a joke)
all this misogyny debating and double standards and nobody has even mentioned how most protagonists in video games are WHITE males. The only examples I can think of off the top of my head that DON'T involve a White protagonist are Prey,(native american) Assassin's Creed 3,(native american) Prototype 2(black), Saints row 2(black). I know this is a can of worms just like this other stuff but felt it's relevant if we are going to critique games like that
While more non-white characters would be awesome, I think it's better off being made as creative choice rather than a "you're not progressive if you don't!" choice. I feel the same about LGBT representation as well, as I personally believe all characters should be introduced in a story or piece of media with purpose rather than being a check mark on the diversity list. Especially since I believe things like sexuality or whether your sex matches your gender is "none of business until you make it business" type thing(as in private information unless it ends up relating to me, somehow via some sort of relationship (platonic or other wise)). Again, just my opinion. I'm sorry if offended anyone with it, also trying to word my stuff super carefully.
So you're saying minorities should only be included if there's some extra special reason for them being there? Do you not see the problem with this?
all this misogyny debating and double standards and nobody has even mentioned how most protagonists in video games are WHITE males. The only examples I can think of off the top of my head that DON'T involve a White protagonist are Prey,(native american) Assassin's Creed 3,(native american) Prototype 2(black), Saints row 2(black). I know this is a can of worms just like this other stuff but felt it's relevant if we are going to critique games like that
While more non-white characters would be awesome, I think it's better off being made as creative choice rather than a "you're not progressive if you don't!" choice. I feel the same about LGBT representation as well, as I personally believe all characters should be introduced in a story or piece of media with purpose rather than being a check mark on the diversity list. Especially since I believe things like sexuality or whether your sex matches your gender is "none of business until you make it business" type thing(as in private information unless it ends up relating to me, somehow via some sort of relationship (platonic or other wise)). Again, just my opinion. I'm sorry if offended anyone with it, also trying to word my stuff super carefully.
So you're saying minorities should only be included if there's some extra special reason for them being there? Do you not see the problem with this?
He's saying that devs should put the characters they want into their games, not feel pressured to shoehorn every ethnicity & orientation in to sate the blood lust of the Political Correctness Police.
Personally, I'd prefer having a bit more diversity in games, and would actually rather have their backround not be center to who they are as a character, since that's much more believable in my eyes.
Considering the fact that all of those people are the descendants of criminals, that was a rather civil exchange
I never really understood this slur given that
A. Hardly anyone in this country is actually descendant from convicts
B. People who are and know wear it with pride and would make a point of it because
C. Most convicts were petty criminals given that capital punishment was a thing
I mean the most interesting part of why I'm here is because of one branch of my family tree was mysteriously fleeing France and changing their names in the early 1800s. The rest were migrants in the 1800s who have no interesting history other than the fact that they wanted to leave England/Ireland. The only people I know who have interesting family histories, not that the topic comes up in conversation much, are the same sort of histories you'd hear elsewhere in the Western world. I know of one person of Jewish decent who's family fled here from Germany. Or a few other people I know who are Vietnamese and, obviously, fled Vietnam.
But that's Perth, we were a 100% free colony from the start. The only exception being around a 20 year period a fair while after settlement where we needed cheap labour but before the gold rush hit. Cheap labour, at least we didn't go with the slave option unlike other new world colonies
all this misogyny debating and double standards and nobody has even mentioned how most protagonists in video games are WHITE males. The only examples I can think of off the top of my head that DON'T involve a White protagonist are Prey,(native american) Assassin's Creed 3,(native american) Prototype 2(black), Saints row 2(black). I know this is a can of worms just like this other stuff but felt it's relevant if we are going to critique games like that
While more non-white characters would be awesome, I think it's better off being made as creative choice rather than a "you're not progressive if you don't!" choice. I feel the same about LGBT representation as well, as I personally believe all characters should be introduced in a story or piece of media with purpose rather than being a check mark on the diversity list. Especially since I believe things like sexuality or whether your sex matches your gender is "none of business until you make it business" type thing(as in private information unless it ends up relating to me, somehow via some sort of relationship (platonic or other wise)). Again, just my opinion. I'm sorry if offended anyone with it, also trying to word my stuff super carefully.
So you're saying minorities should only be included if there's some extra special reason for them being there? Do you not see the problem with this?
He's saying that devs should put the characters they want into their games, not feel pressured to shoehorn every ethnicity & orientation in to sate the blood lust of the Political Correctness Police.
@shaneoh is spot on with what I mean. I find the idea making a character for the sake of crossing it off a "diverse representation list" to be completely disrespectful towards the minority it's supposed to represent. Making a character gay because you feel like that makes sense for the character is fine. Making a character gay because you want to appease a certain group regardless of if it makes sense character wise, is not. Again, that's just the way I feel about it.
all this misogyny debating and double standards and nobody has even mentioned how most protagonists in video games are WHITE males. The only examples I can think of off the top of my head that DON'T involve a White protagonist are Prey,(native american) Assassin's Creed 3,(native american) Prototype 2(black), Saints row 2(black). I know this is a can of worms just like this other stuff but felt it's relevant if we are going to critique games like that
While more non-white characters would be awesome, I think it's better off being made as creative choice rather than a "you're not progressive if you don't!" choice. I feel the same about LGBT representation as well, as I personally believe all characters should be introduced in a story or piece of media with purpose rather than being a check mark on the diversity list. Especially since I believe things like sexuality or whether your sex matches your gender is "none of business until you make it business" type thing(as in private information unless it ends up relating to me, somehow via some sort of relationship (platonic or other wise)). Again, just my opinion. I'm sorry if offended anyone with it, also trying to word my stuff super carefully.
So you're saying minorities should only be included if there's some extra special reason for them being there? Do you not see the problem with this?
He's saying that devs should put the characters they want into their games, not feel pressured to shoehorn every ethnicity & orientation in to sate the blood lust of the Political Correctness Police.
@shaneoh is spot on with what I mean. I find the idea making a character for the sake of crossing it off a "diverse representation list" to be completely disrespectful towards the minority it's supposed to represent. Making a character gay because you feel like that makes sense for the character is fine. Making a character gay because you want to appease a certain group regardless of if it makes sense character wise, is not. Again, that's just the way I feel about it.
How is changing mostly cosmetic things about a character disrespectful? How does it "make sense" for one character to be gay and another not? That doesn't even mean anything.
all this misogyny debating and double standards and nobody has even mentioned how most protagonists in video games are WHITE males. The only examples I can think of off the top of my head that DON'T involve a White protagonist are Prey,(native american) Assassin's Creed 3,(native american) Prototype 2(black), Saints row 2(black). I know this is a can of worms just like this other stuff but felt it's relevant if we are going to critique games like that
While more non-white characters would be awesome, I think it's better off being made as creative choice rather than a "you're not progressive if you don't!" choice. I feel the same about LGBT representation as well, as I personally believe all characters should be introduced in a story or piece of media with purpose rather than being a check mark on the diversity list. Especially since I believe things like sexuality or whether your sex matches your gender is "none of business until you make it business" type thing(as in private information unless it ends up relating to me, somehow via some sort of relationship (platonic or other wise)). Again, just my opinion. I'm sorry if offended anyone with it, also trying to word my stuff super carefully.
So you're saying minorities should only be included if there's some extra special reason for them being there? Do you not see the problem with this?
He's saying that devs should put the characters they want into their games, not feel pressured to shoehorn every ethnicity & orientation in to sate the blood lust of the Political Correctness Police.
@shaneoh is spot on with what I mean. I find the idea making a character for the sake of crossing it off a "diverse representation list" to be completely disrespectful towards the minority it's supposed to represent. Making a character gay because you feel like that makes sense for the character is fine. Making a character gay because you want to appease a certain group regardless of if it makes sense character wise, is not. Again, that's just the way I feel about it.
How is changing mostly cosmetic things about a character disrespectful? How does it "make sense" for one character to be gay and another not? That doesn't even mean anything.
So if I make a game, I must add a homosexual man, even if I don't need to, to keep that demographic happy?
all this misogyny debating and double standards and nobody has even mentioned how most protagonists in video games are WHITE males. The only examples I can think of off the top of my head that DON'T involve a White protagonist are Prey,(native american) Assassin's Creed 3,(native american) Prototype 2(black), Saints row 2(black). I know this is a can of worms just like this other stuff but felt it's relevant if we are going to critique games like that
While more non-white characters would be awesome, I think it's better off being made as creative choice rather than a "you're not progressive if you don't!" choice. I feel the same about LGBT representation as well, as I personally believe all characters should be introduced in a story or piece of media with purpose rather than being a check mark on the diversity list. Especially since I believe things like sexuality or whether your sex matches your gender is "none of business until you make it business" type thing(as in private information unless it ends up relating to me, somehow via some sort of relationship (platonic or other wise)). Again, just my opinion. I'm sorry if offended anyone with it, also trying to word my stuff super carefully.
So you're saying minorities should only be included if there's some extra special reason for them being there? Do you not see the problem with this?
He's saying that devs should put the characters they want into their games, not feel pressured to shoehorn every ethnicity & orientation in to sate the blood lust of the Political Correctness Police.
@shaneoh is spot on with what I mean. I find the idea making a character for the sake of crossing it off a "diverse representation list" to be completely disrespectful towards the minority it's supposed to represent. Making a character gay because you feel like that makes sense for the character is fine. Making a character gay because you want to appease a certain group regardless of if it makes sense character wise, is not. Again, that's just the way I feel about it.
How is changing mostly cosmetic things about a character disrespectful? How does it "make sense" for one character to be gay and another not? That doesn't even mean anything.
So if I make a game, I must add a homosexual man, even if I don't need to, to keep that demographic happy?
Right, because I said or implied that. And the fact that you can't see any benefits of diversity other than "keeping a demographic happy" shows some real narrow thinking.
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